.

truly they were pocket monsters

>>57951982 (OP)
At least Unova had wild Pokemon on their straight line...

were we the pocket monsters all along...?

.

>>57951987
>>57951991
>>57952000
>>57952006
>>57952011
touched a nerve huh

>>57952030
Bet he has a folder

So except for the Santalune = Viridian thing what do the routes being compared in those pics have in common then? Why not compare Kalos Route 8 to pic related, or that foresty maze to Pinwheel forest? Not even asking in bad faith, those seem like pretty random matchups.

>>57952054
>wh-why are you comparing routes at the end of the game to routes at the end of the game?

>is the very same kalosgay
Kek

>>57952041
for sure, and the fact that he’s using the ones with labels to make them look more detailed really says it all

>>57952062
That's too broad, surely we can get more specific.

>>57952131
>>57952054
routes with intersecting vertical layers are so fucking cool

>>57952154
Oh yeah

>>57952131
>That's too broad
not really

>>57952154
agreed, kalos route 8 is kino compared to unova route 8

>>57951982 (OP)
Say what you will about Alola but

>>57951982 (OP)
That is so sad. The harsh truth is that XY felt incomplete because they are just average souless rushed games, especially compared to the greatness that came before it. For that reason GF moved on from XY instead of making the usual 3rd version that every single Gen got and left the shitty boring Kalos totally forgotten in their basement, until now with PLZA which has the chance of doing something right but we are not in Gen 6 anymore but in Gen 9. Even when it comes to Megas most people think of ORAS and the multiverse shit instead of XY.

>>57952360
And then they did the same thing twice in a row and also abandoned Alola in an even more unfinished state as soon as Island fucking 2, even when it actually received a second edition unlike XY. So Kalos wasn't the problem it was GameFreak's lazy ass 3D era GF is the true villain.

>>57951982 (OP)
False equivalencies
They moved the water part after the forest in XY
Only RBY and GSC had it at the start
Hoenn has it on route 103/104
DPPT has the lake but i count more Sandgem Town

>>57952360
> The harsh truth is that XY felt incomplete
and somehow gen 5 felt even more incomplete

you can delete route 1 from XY entirely and the game still has more routes than BW

>>57951982 (OP)
It was worse in Galar, All the region is a hallway

>>57952556
Yeah 22 is a higher number than 23

XY actually has good pokemon to look at and catch unova has a bunch of shit that takes a dump on u and you have to pick shit from shit its just a shit experience all around

>>57952584
There is no Gen 5 game with 23 routes.

The 'cord will NOT be happy about this...

>>57952621
yeah there is, BW2 has routes 1-24 with route 10 blocked off

>>57952741
Show us a screenshot of Route 24.

fucking kek

>>57952809
>he hasn't seen route 24
dude did you even play the game...

Maybe the real Route 24 was the South Kalos we made along the way.

>>57952869
what's so funny?

>>57953308
probably the fact that the unova fanboy forgot how many routes his own game has.

>>57953308
Kalos' postgame.

>>57953308
XYfag seething over the fact that XY felt incomplete because they are just average souless rushed games

>>57953332
So in other words, a day ending in "y"?

>>57953332
It’s sad that bw/bw2 feels even more incomplete

>>57953356
How so?
The world and lore feel fleshed out.

>>57953381
>How so?
you can delete route 1 from XY entirely and the game still has more routes than BW

>>57953356
I don't hate Kalos but this is a nonsense take and a losing battle. Both BW/2 might be shorter games but they crammed a lot more flavor and doohickeys into the main campaing than XY with things like bridges (like how the one at the end of that pitiful route everyone hates) more dungeons, and they even saved a fraction of the map for post-game, something XY can't boast with the scrapped Southern region thing being in the leak not helping at all. You wanna bash Unova, keep at it with the Route quality and the shitmons, that angle makes a lot more sense.

>>57953332
How so?
The world and lore feel fleshed out.

>>57953390
>but they crammed a lot more flavor and doohickeys into the main campaing
that’s weird, which game was the one where I could plant berries and customize my character and pet/feed my pokemon again?

>>57953404
The one where there's isn't absolutely zilch for a postgame. Seriously. I will give you berries only, you can't count the introduction of the affection as a positive and expect me to keep buying your arguments in good faith, good god.

>>57952360
Gen 5 was barely an upgrade from Gen 4. Every gen before had massive upfrades from the gen before then you have gen 5 which basically looks the exact same as gen 4 (even reusing battle sprites) and just swapped out a few sprites and overworld models here and there and brought in a retarded motion tweening battle camera. Add in the poor executed story and first attempt at dexcutting and you have the beginning of the end in terms of quality.

>>57953395
parotting is an admission of defeat

>>57953418
>The one where there's isn't absolutely zilch for a postgame
So the hundreds of hours of replayable Maison, Battle Institute, and restaurant battles don’t make the game good, but the game would magically become good if they took the fishing rod, daycare, fossils, and 5 of the routes out of the campaign and railroaded them to after the credits? Please explain your logic to me.

>>57953429
>replayable Maison,
The Subway is also replayable.
>Battle Institute,
Also in B2W2
>and restaurant battles
Not a battle facility

>>57953425
this was debunked

>>57953433
so the game has as good postgame as gen 5? where's the issue then?

>>57952054
I think there's an unspoken rule in unova v kalos genwars that you have to be as much of a disingenuous retard as possible to participate

>>57953423
I'd say Hoenn was the first attempt at dexcutting, to sell you the Gen 2 mons via Colosseum, BW actually had a lot of them in the postgame at least. The actual bad thing about forcing all the mons they created on you was the gimping of fishing rods because they couldn't figure more new fishes. Other than that Gen 5 also runs so much better than Gen 4 and has much more confident presentation with shit like multiple gym music and several seasons, all in all the presentation made a huge leap, even if I am also iffy on the tweened Pokemon sprites, at least they tried something.

>>57953440
except only the unova side is being disingenuous

>>57953444
How do I access Southern Kalos in XY?

>>57953429
Not like Gen 5 doesn't have battle facilities, and the fact Unova has wiggle room to have 8 cities for 8 badges, then on top of that a bunch of new stuff after you become Champion should tell you the way the content is arranged was not as desperate as Kalos'.

>>57953447
How do I access Route 24 in BW/BW2?

>>57953453
>dodging the question already
I accept your concession.

>>57953451
>Not like Gen 5 doesn't have battle facilities,
so the game has as good postgame as gen 5? where's the issue then?
>and the fact Unova has wiggle room to have 8 cities for 8 badges, then on top of that a bunch of new stuff after you become Champion
not really an accomplishment when the campaign is rushed as fuck and doesn't have a single gap between gyms lmao

>>57953451
>retardedly squeeze all the gyms into the first 10 routes of the game and utterly destroy the pacing
>"S-SEE? THERE'S ROOM FOR THESE ROUTES AFTER THE CREDITS! THIS MAKES THE GAME GOOD SOMEHOW!"
kek

>>57953464
Battle facilities + an exclusive part of the map + all those pre-gen 5 mons you can catch now = more than what Kalos has. Seriously dude.

>>57953477
>Battle facilities
...so the thing that XY has?

> + an exclusive part of the map
...so the thing that XY has except pointlessly railroaded?

>+ all those pre-gen 5 mons you can catch now
...so the thing that XY has except pointlessly railroaded?

all you're proving is that more "postgame" makes the game worse, not better.

>>57953389
Quantity ≠ Quality

>>57953490
damn good thing XY is better at both then

>>57953434
parroting is an admission of defeat

>>57953492
I don't see any quality in XY, more proof of the fact that game began Pokemon's decline

>>57953453
you start by playing the game instead of complaining about it on the internet

>>57953496
>I don't see any quality in XY,
I don't see any quality in BW/BW2

>>57953500
parroting is an admission of defeat

>>57953503
this was debunked

>>57953477
>>57953487
I don't think you understand the point of a postgame, seeing new things after the credits is definitely valuable, and I completely disagree with the fact you think Unova is somehow rushed, every Kalos city except the Paris one has fuckall on it and the quality declines as you go along. BW will never have this problem, as like it or not, the game has a lot more time to stop and show you the things they were trying to get you to do, instead of barely scraping through the finish line black and bruised like what XY ended up amounting to.

>>57953513 (me)
>>57953470
Meant to quote you too.

>>57953513
>seeing new things after the credits is definitely valuable
how

>ery Kalos city except the Paris one has fuckall on it
oh....so like the Unova cities?

>Y-YOU DON'T GET IT THESE TEAMS AND THE DAYCARE AND REVIVING FOSSILS AND FISHING ABSOLUTELY HAD TO BE AFTER THE CREDITS BECAUSE....UM....THEY JUST HAD TO OKAY?? PLEASE LET ME HAVE THIS THIS COMPLETELY MADE UP ARBITRARY METRIC IS THE ONLY THING I HAVE TO PRETEND MY GAME IS HIGH QUALITY
kek

>>57953516
Yes you don't understand the point of a postgame. Enjoy your last (You), fuck this, fuck all y'all, this place is like a fucking madhouse

>>57953519
>Yes you don't understand the point of a postgame
please educate us what the point of postgame is, other than being a completely made up thing DSfags use to pretend their games are good

>>57953507
parroting is an admission of defeat

>>57953528
you are parroting your previous posts, therefore by your own logic you are admitting defeat. I accept your concession.

>>57953442
>I'd say Hoenn was the first attempt at dexcutting, to sell you the Gen 2 mons via Colosseum, BW actually had a lot of them in the postgame at least. The actual bad thing about forcing all the mons they created on you was the gimping of fishing rods because they couldn't figure more new fishes.
Gen 5 was completely missing a bunch of non-mythical mons that you had to transfer from previous gens/get via limited time events like Mewtwo, some of the previous starters, the Pikachu line, Unown and Glameow among others. Every previous gen had a way to get them from a game in that gen except gen 5 which started the whole "not being able to get the mons at all" thing.
>Other than that Gen 5 also runs so much better than Gen 4 and has much more confident presentation with shit like multiple gym music and several seasons, all in all the presentation made a huge leap, even if I am also iffy on the tweened Pokemon sprites, at least they tried something.
Gens 4 and 5 run almost the same and those other things take like 2 seconds to add. Not much of an upgrade, more like a minor touch up. Aso the terrible pixelation in battle made is a confudently horrible presentation. Also "at least they tried something" is nowhere good enough for a new gen, they need to actually do something significant to make it a true upgrade, not halfass things because people will buy it anyway.

>>57953534
deliberately misunderstanding what is meant by parroting is also an admission of defeat

>>57953540
>Gens 4 and 5 run almost the same
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enmPrAvMxwQ

>>57953423
>Add in the poor executed stor
It wasn't

>>57953545
>deliberately misunderstanding what is meant
Except I didn't deliberately misunderstand anything. Concession accepted.

>>57953540
you can't get mewtwo and the birds in GSC without transferring
and "a game in that gen" is doing a lot of heavy lifting considering you need a gamecube with colosseum to complete the gen 3 dex

>>57951982 (OP)
Unova and Kalos fags fighting to see which piece of garbage is better kek

>>57953550
don't try to pretend you don't know exactly what is meant by parroting. you've had this exact conversation before.

>>57953558
and like usual the Kalos side is presenting specific examples and logic while the Unova side is just going "my game is good because I say so" repeatedly and hoping this is like reddit where they'll get upvoted so they can pretend they are right

>>57953564
I don't know... sounds like it's the other way around.

>>57953561
>don't try to pretend
I'm not pretending anything.

>W-WAIT NO IT DOESN'T COUNT AS PARROTING WHEN I DO IT
kek you're pathetic

>>57953564
even sperms don't believe this btw.

>>57953571
>>57953574
Still waiting for you to explain how shoving daycare/fishing/fossils/routes after the credits when they can perfectly exist before the credits magically makes the game better, retardbro.

>>57953576
>daycare
>fossils
stop reading there

>>57953573
>t. pretender

>>57953546
>Same framerate and animation speeds
Woah you really proved your point>>57953548
Yep pseudointellectual nonsense about truth and ideals for illusion of depth had no impact on the linear cliche story of bad guy wants to rule world. Even the legendaries didnt have any ties to that shit which made it completely pointless and should have been left out.

>>57953580
Concession accepted

>>57953579
>t. parrot

>>57953585
Glad you agree

>>57953580
>Yep pseudointellectual nonsense
Blud got filtered by a Pokemon game :skull:

>>57953553
>you can't get mewtwo and the birds in GSC without transferring
You mean trading, something only games of the same gen can do?
>and "a game in that gen" is doing a lot of heavy lifting considering you need a gamecube with colosseum to complete the gen 3 dex
You can still reliably get all the mons in that one gen to this day though provided you have all the games and equipment.

>>57953622
Thank you for your concession

>>57953440
>>57953444 proves that it goes both ways

>>57953763
the fact that no one has answered >>57953576 proves that it only goes one way.

>>57952360
That is so sad. The harsh truth is that BW felt incomplete because they are just average souless rushed games, especially compared to the greatness that came after it. For that reason GF moved on from BW instead of making the usual 3rd version that every single Gen got and left the shitty boring Unova totally forgotten in their basement, until now with The Indigo Disk which has the chance of doing something right but we are not in Gen 5 anymore but in Gen 9. Even when it comes to Gems most people think of ORAS and the boomburst shit instead of BW.

>>57954090
parroting is an admission of defeat

>>57954200
this was debunked

>>57954653
I rebunked it incel

looks like it's that time of the day where kalosfans and unovafans turn into cherrypicking retards over their flops i see

>>57951987
Left is connected to a dungeon that is basically a giant extension of the route (optional). It also changes depending on the seasons.

So yeah, Unova wins again.

>>57954735
>that
>"""""""""dungeon"""""""""
KEK

>>57954737
>that
>"""""""""dungeon"""""""""
KEK

>>57954747
no one claimed this area is a dungeon. Try again.

Your narrative of XY being "totally complete games fr" was shattered after the leak. Huff the copium and let it go

>>57954747
parroting is an admission of defeat

>>57954764
Yeah, you're right, here's an actual dungeon in XY.

>>57954805
no one claimed this area is a dungeon. Try again.

totally complete game, no contents were scrapped

>>57954855
this but unironically

>>57952006
>Gen 3 always looks superior
What's its secret bros?

>>57955073
RSE maybe, but FRLG palette was very bland imo

>unovafags only argument is quantity > quality
kwab

>>57955137
and they can’t even succeed at that because kalos has more routes lmao

>>57953332
KEK

>>57951987
Unova gets a pass on this one since it's 4 rounds that change paths based on the season.

>>57955294
>unova gets a pass on this one because it has a shitty gimmick that makes the entire game worse

>>57954862
hahahaha

>>57955304
>no argument
those games weren't meant to be beaten in two 2 days playing 16 hours a day

>>57955310
>n-no you see the game is SUPPOSED to pointlessly waste your time

>>57955073
it’s the fern you grew up with

You would think this shitter shattered retard would get tired and quit but he has literally been spamming nonstop all over /vp/ daily for 10 years about how much he hates gen 5 and loves gen 6.
Can somebody explain what causes this obsession? Is it mental illness?

>>57955073
>>57955079
It's a simple tileset. Looks good, but not too cluttered. You easily know where you are and where you need to go on a route. When a game makes its tileset too busy in a attempt to look good, it detracts from the sense of direction a player gets.

>>57955403
It is 100% mental illness. Generation 5's superiority has utterly mindbroken this fag. I don't know why the mods don't ban him for his health.