Thread 57961887

How would you fix your favorite shitmon? For me its

>Hidden ability: Berserk
>New moves: Thunder, Earth Power

Any questions?

>>57961887 (OP)
>How would you fix your favorite shitmon?
700 BST

>>57961887 (OP)
An evolution with some more attack and defense. Maybe an ability like Huge power. Though that still wouldn't be quite as good as their mega. being able to Intimidate with Huge Power helped as well

>>57961887 (OP)
Massive overhaul the combat system to be much more in depth and strategic so that all previous (im)balance based on the old systems is irrelevant. We will no longer be shackled to pondering trivial hypotheticals for that simplistic relic of a combat system.

Electivre doesn't lose speed when evolving, gets fighting as 2nd type and a neuroforce clone as an ability, sheer force magmortar with no evolution speed loss would be cool too

+20 Special Attack
Tinted Lens as one of its abilities.

>>57961887 (OP)
>Raichu can now hold Light Ball
>Alolan Raichu has Levitate as a Hidden Ability.
That's it.

Earthpower, Overheat

I give it Dragon Dance

Unfortunately, the fix already exists. Its name is Diancie.
That said, idk, give Carbink the ability to use eviolite? Go all in on the defensive angle since Diancie fills out the offense.

Give dragon dance

>VOLCANO pokemon
>not fire/ground

>>57961887 (OP)
>Shell Smash
>Shell Armor -> Intimidate
Easy peasy

>change the typing to ice/electric
>redistribute some stats from attack and put it into defense and special attack
>give it power gem, body press, alluring voice, moonblast, dazzling gleam
>give it back magnet rise
>+10 to special defense

And just like that I did more for Aurorus than Radical Red ever did.

>>57962252
Now intead of NU it's UU!

>>57962259
I dare you say that about any of the Pokemon in this thread besides just Aurorus.

Delphox
I would have it's base stat attack of 69 and take 10 from that to put into it's Sp. attack of 114 to make that 124
and take another 4 from it reducing it's base attack stat down from 69 to Fifty five sorry for wording it for some reason numbers five and six aren't working for me on this keyboard and put that 4 into it's speed stat which is already at 104 making it 108 base speed I do this because rarely does a delphox bother using physical code attacks nor does it have much use for them.

My second change is to increase it's movepool I want it to learn the following moves
Electro Ball
Energy Ball
Moonblast
Foresight
Aura Sphere
As for it's ability I'd like a an ability that increases ball moves by 10 percent or something that lets it get STAB off Fairy moves as well maybe it's alledged mega evolution will do that for us

>>57961887 (OP)
>Current
>HP 80
>ATK 100
>DEF 70
>SPATK 60
>SPDEF 70
>SPD 95
>Chlorophyl, Sap Sipper, Serene Grace
Like, there’s a lot of good shit to work with here, Sawsbuck just needs a bit more to really stand out.
10 points in HP, DEF, and SPD would go a long way, and what I’d really like is a signature move that interacts with the season mechanic somehow.
If they wanted to give him Sappy Seed too that’d be cool but that’s a stretch

>>57961887 (OP)
Make the blast type and give it to Typhlosion

>>57961993
>Light ball
>That’s it
That’s not a small boost bruddah
That gives it offensive stats on the same level as mega fug

>Bellossom gather at times and appear to dance. They say that the dance is a ritual to summon the sun.
If any grass type deserves drought, it's Bellossom

>>57962259
UU is the new OU considering recent powercreep

It's still not leaving the bottom tiers, but hopefully this will give it some use outside of weather teams:

>Spa: 45->35
slight minmaxing since Alolan version has 25 Spa
>Spe: 65->85
>BST: 450->460
Since Sandslash can roll I wanted to give it just some more speed. Give the Alolan version +10 to one of the defensive stats instead since that cannot roll.

>gets Tough Claw
>learns U-Turn
>no longer learns High Horsepower
While Tough Claw is a meme ability similar to Sheer Force in the way that you could just slap these to any physical attacker, the ability is very fitting in this case and it's not even THAT powerful since your stab EQ doesn't benefit from this. Had to remove High Horsepower from learnset because it's apparently a contact move and so you'd be using Drill Run, a very fitting move, instead.
Even with Tough Claws you might still be better off using EQ anyway since the higher crit isn't worth it over the 5% to miss, 1.2 lower average base damage, and the downsides of making contact.

Ground-> Ground/Fairy
75/100/110/45/55/65 -> 75/125/110/45/80/115
450->550 BST
Tough Claws/Sand Rush and HA Multiscale to reference pangolin scales holding magic properties. Mystic Spin- fairy type rapid spin clone that clears hazards and sets misty terrain. Give it Play Rough and Spiky Shield because fuck it. Probably still shit in this powercreep meta but at least it'd be more versatile

>>57961887 (OP)
>Hidden Ability: Simple
Still wouldn't get out of RU but +4/+4/+4 shell smash is fun at least. Alternatively a custom ability that's basically steam engine but with water immunity, this would be lore-accurate ("water is vaporized on contact" - sapphire dex entry). This would be way less fun than simple but it's something.

>>57961916
There's no actual way to do this while still maintaining the game as a 1v1 occasionally 2v2 JRPG. Pokemon is already the most complex JRPG by vortue of mechanic bloat alone and the only one with pvp outside of its clones, which have always been less complex like Temtem.

>>57961887 (OP)
I honestly don't think there's a silver bullet that will fix him short of meme answers like Pure Power. I thought about Geomancy but he unironically lacks the special movepool to get much out of it. Any Steel type would still wall him.

For a multi-stage solution I'll say Drought, Fire Blast and Growth. It's crazy we don't have a Grass type Drought mon yet anyway, may as well be the most abused Grass type starter since Meganium. It'd be nice to have a Grass type that can actually use Solarbeam.

Just switch the attacking stats.

>>57962462
swap the attacking stats
while Unburden isn't bad, the obvious choice is Sharpness

if you want to go further in the romhack tier direction:
>give it Dragon type
>instead of Sharpness, give it Technician
>gains Rock Blast
now it's a DD/SD+Dice sweeper with stab (Bullet Seed and Scale Shot) and the best coverage (Rock Blast) all having Dice boosts

>Fake Out
>Intimidate
>dexit Urshifu
Now we have a water starter staple vgc mon. It's like Incineroar but slightly faster and can run special sets which makes it scare the shit out of Incineroar. Still would probably be less preferred (especially if Rillaboom is around), but its like an anti-meta Incineroar.

>>57962314
Well beyond that of mega fug. Fully invested 90 attack is the same as 230 attack.
+2 252 Atk Raichu Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 173-204 (50.7 - 59.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Rayquaza-Mega Return vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 142-168 (41.6 - 49.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

Give victory dance

>>57962665
It doesnt have it?

>>57961887 (OP)
Fake-Out, Parting Shot, Snarl, Flip-Turn
Fuck Incineroar. Get replaced. If your ass still feels like showing up, get rolled over

>>57962462
There is a very simple fix for Sceptile. Simply switch his attack and special attack stats. His offensive movepool becomes good. Swords dance becomes good. Leaf blade once again becomes good. Unburden and acrobat become good. The mega becomes good. Sceptile has gone from a mediocre leaf storm spammer to a fearsome late game threat with one minor tweak.

>>57962804
Game Freak is too out of touch to buff weaker Pokemon.

>>57962804
His physical movepool, while better than his special, is still surprisingly bad. He misses out on a lot of key sword moves, like Sacred Sword (Samurott gets this) or Stone Edge (Gyarados gets this). Despite the enormous tail he doesn't get Aqua Tail (Aggron gets this) or even Power Whip (Gyarados gets this). Swapping the attack stats might have made a difference back in gen 4 where they initially crippled him but it's too little too late now. Just a weird and very neglected mon, he gets a decent level of shilling in spinoff media but the main game fucking hates him.

>>57962462
>Mix and Matcher
>Held item
>An item to be held by a Pokémon. Causes all offensive moves to use both Attack and Special Attack
>calculations are done by taking the average of your attack and special attack combined
There. Now Sceptile can actual use its gargantuan movepool

give it air cutter so it can super effective guarantee crit against bug and fighting types and at least normal crit fairy in a single move instead of needing 3 of its 4 moves being type coverages

>>57961887 (OP)
Give Crustle a little bit more HP and Special Def, and then change it to Bug Ground. You could also give it Crabbammer, that’d be cool.

give her some non-grass moves

>Fix thread
>Give it a new type/drastic stat overhaul
Just say you want a regional form/mega, simple as that

>Rhyperior
Solid Rock now reduces all physical attacks damage
>Magmortar
Mega laucher? With a fire type move that gets boosted by it? Or maybe Flash Fire? Honestly I don't know what to do with him.
>Electivire
Motor Drive now boosts speed +2 OR speed and attack +1.
>Dusknoir
Strength Sap

There's no fixing it unless they decide to rework the type chart, give it like a 100 extra minmaxed BST or a gen9 tier signature move.

>>57963851
>Magmortar
>shitmon

???????

>>57962680
First, Gyarados is not a shitmon. It's a pretty decent mon with good usage.
Second, it doesn't even need all of that. Just Fake Out would be enough.

>>57962680
>>57963883
Just give it Glare. It even fits thematically. Gyarados is already a pretty good intimidate mon.

>U-turn
>Speed Boost instead of Overcoat
>Access to one of the torque moves at a time, like Rotom
>Regional variant that is Steel/Electric

>>57963882
Last time I checked yeah. I haven't played competitively in years and last time I played scarlet violet added a shit ton of powercreep that caused classic og OU mons like Garchomp, Tyranitar, Heatran to fall.

>>57962314
Good. If there is any pokemon that deserves it, its Raichu.

>>57963898
Both Magmar and Magmortar were considered decent options literally one regulation ago. Magmar a bit more so, but I saw a decent amount of Magmortar.

>>57963898
Just because mons fell out of fanfic meta doesn't make them shitmons. All those 3 you mentioned are still used in competitive vgc, which is what gf balances the game around.

>>57963901
Raichu is already a good support thanks to Lightning Rod, Encore and Fake Out. Not every pokemon needs to be a sweeper to be good.

>>57963898
>Flame Body+Follow Me
>I haven't played competitively in years
Clearly

Quiver Dance. Maybe a tiny bit more special attack, like 10 points as well.

It lacks the power to completely run away with games since Bug Buzz is the strongest thing it has, on the flipside however, you can't really wall it and it doesn't give a shit if you try and defensively answer it with Tera because Tinted Lens. It also has the nasty option of fishing for a 30% flinch Air Slash for some cheese.

Seems like the kind of thing that could be terrifying late game while being mostly deadweight before that.

>>57963934
Too many results to be considered a shitmon. There are pokemon with literally nothing on their name.

>>57963901
>>57961993
How does someone have Raichu as "favorite" but think it's a shitmon when it has been consistently an amazing partner for one of the best restricted legendaries for years now.

>>57963946
Wait what the hell does Yanmega even do in VGC to get used I was talking entirely singles because it has absolutely nothing going for it in a doubles context.
Does it just sit there throwing out unresisted Specs Skitter Smacks or something?

>>57963961
Bro it has Speed Boost and Tailwind. After a single speed boost it outspeeds almost everything, even some scarfed pokemon.

Swap his attacking stats
The biggest buff he needs after that is a model that doesn't look like ass

>anything that isn't a sweeper is a shitmon

bravo /vp/

>>57961888
>Only 700
Hello little baby

>>57964018
yet you can sit and do nothing in this fight and still win because it's 4 v 1 with 2 legendaries on your side

>I will buff this mon because it's clearly bad in singles
>b-but in doubles-
shut the hell up
why are doublesfags so goddamn obnoxious and so desperate for validation despite being the "official meta"
maybe actually contribute to the thread by buffing a mon in the context of doubles instead of sperging out?

>>57964000
anon, that looks like shit, too.

>>57961887 (OP)
>No Guard
>Spam Inferno / Focus Blast

>>57963875
If the leaks are real, he's getting a mega

>>57964384
>uh this mon is bad in a fake format the game is not balance around, that means it's bad!
Hey retard, maybe if you want the pokemon you like to be good, play the format it's good in? Ever thought about that, smonigger?
>maybe actually contribute to the thread by buffing a mon in the context of doubles instead of sperging out?
Maybe read the thread before sperging out? The point is a lot of those are already good in the context of doubles, they don't need a buff.

>>57964968
kill yourself

>>57962285
>based on RPG black mages
>doesn't learn Thunder(bolt), Tri-attack or Ice Beam
C'mon GF is it to much to ask for a Fire type to have more coverage?

>>57962285
>>57965078
Good suggestions but a bit too shy imo.
Give it reverse Tough Claws, 30% boost to all non-contact abilities. I'm surprised to find out it doesn't learn some of these moves listed, what the fuck, it's literally a mage.

>>57963960
Raichufags don't play the games, they just have a persecution complex over Pikachu being more popular.
>>57964384
Why are Smoggies so fragile?

>>57965091
>I'm surprised to find out it doesn't learn some of these moves listed, what the fuck, it's literally a mage.
I mean sure it would be a bit out of place for a fire type (and a starter at that) to learn bolt-beam but Tri-Attack fits so well as a Final Fantasy Black Mage reference that im genuinely surprised it doesn't learnt it.
Ability wise I'm unsure what to give it... maybe Magic Bounce?

>>57962206
it's not intimidating anyone when it can't even use its swords properly

Wrap it up, guys.
Yawnfag found the thread.

>>57965122
Who?

>>57965129
>>57965120

>>57961998
Doesnt really make thematic sense, just give it levitate already

Gib slush rush

>>57965138
Is he a notorious samurott hater? It's a pretty commonly criticized mon.

>>57962396
>>57962431
my idea for buffing it:
>ground/fighting
>gets tough claws and scrappy
>and a BST increase/evolution so it has more HP, attack, and speed
so it becomes landorus at home at home with the unique property of completely giving gholdengo (and other spinblockers) the finger because scrappy would let it hit rapid spins against ghost types

snowslash gets tough claws and ice scales for obvious reasons
fun fact: pangolins (those cute critters that sandshrew/sandslash are based on) are the only mammal with scales

>>57965120
Are you retarded or just baiting?

>>57965629
God BW/2 are so ugly

>>57964389
it looks more like left than right does

>>57965684
>>57964000
I love all three. Nidoking is based.

Give Victory Dance and make Megahorn 100% accurate. Though not exactly a shitmon he definitely has fallen off hard without his Mega form. Lots of indirect nerfs like introduction of Fairy type. I feel like those two changes would help a lot.

>>57963961
>>57963974
There's a Gravity + Hypnosis meme with Yanmega. A couple of the teams there have Sableye go for Prankster Gravity then Yanmega starts putting everything to sleep before they can move after Speed Boost. I'm not sure if the other teams had different Gravity users but I think Gravity P2 + Ursaluna seems like a reasonable core.

>>57962462

Easy mode to fix Sceptile is give it sharpness ability and give more moves like heatwave, growth, earth power

Typhlosion is one of my favorite pokemon, I agree that giving him thunder and earth power will help but no idea whats a good ability to give him.

>>57961887 (OP)

Typhlosion is one of my favorite pokemon, I agree that giving him thunder and earth power will help but no idea whats a good ability to give him.

>>57962462

Easy mode to fix Sceptile is give it sharpness ability and give more moves like heatwave, growth, earth power

>>57961887 (OP)
>>57966204
I don't think it needs coverage. It's a decently fast pokemon that can click Eruption. Hisuian Typh saw lots of usage because despite being slower, because it hits harder and has fake out immunity, and it didn't run any coverage.

Eruption pokemon want to click Eruption and nothing else, so the best way to make regular Typhlosion better is just make it better at clicking Eruption.

I like the romhack approach of giving Adaptability for being mono-fire. I know every single mon would love Adaptability, but it fits extra well on Typhlosion. That makes is considerably more powerful when using Eruption over Hisuian, for the tradeoff of being not immune to fake out.

>>57964727
Mega isn't a solution to any pokemon because choosing one mega means not choosing another.

>>57962133
>>57962102
No sense

>>57966161
Why need Megahorn when Dice Pin Missile is stronger + more accurate?