Thread 57997315

>Minecraft movie was a wild success
>Mario movie was a wild success
>Sonic movie was a wild success
>one year prior, the POKEMON movie, totally underperforms and no one even remembers it
What gives?

>pokémon fans only give a fuck for Game Freak games or pokémon from them
>movie based off a spin-off full of literal who characters unsurprisingly fails to set the world alight
Though $433M from $150m is still a success. However, minecraft's spent 10 years brainwashing kids and teens, sonic's core series is dead in the water and mariodrones played the same basic "bowser kidnaps female" game forever so a movie based on that was gonna do well for that crowd. And of course, Pokémon earned 94B yen lifetime from the anime movies, so maybe the west just doesn't care for Not!Pokémon Pokémon movies.

Justice Smith's performance was godawful and the plot was terrible, that's why. Ryan Reynolds was quite honestly the best thing in the film, and I'm not even much of a fan of his.

>>57997315 (OP)
>Ugly real life interpretation of mons
>Basing the movie on a spinoff when 99% of the normalfags that would watch a Pokemon movie now expect pokemon battling and gym stuff

>>57997315 (OP)
I'm 37, who cares about ironic joke media for little kids?

>>57997315 (OP)
I'd say it's a mix of the realistic live-action style for the Pokémon and being based on a spinoff than any core series entry unlike the other three. Had it been an adaptation of Red and Blue, we'd probably have seen it go the Sonic route with a Gold and Silver movie and might be looking forward to Ruby and Sapphire's.
There's still Pokémon x Aardman to look forward to in 2027, but I have a feeling that it's going to be its own thing than an adaptation.

>>57997315 (OP)
It was a terrible movie and incredibly ugly too.

>>57997315 (OP)
>Ugly as sin Pokemon models
>Nigger MC
>Random giant Torterra out of nowhere, Torterra not being that big in canon
>Pikachu as the protagonist sidekick for the 9000th time
>Based on a shitty spinoff that nobody played
Gee, i wonder why it flopped so hard

R.I.P. chances of seeing this on the big screen.

>>57997446
>Random giant world turtle
makes sense

I keep seeing people complain about the style but honestly it's really not that bad. It's not the greatest style and I wouldn't have picked it if I were in charge, but it also not making me want to gouge my eyes out.

>>57997446
>giant torterra out of nowhere
You know the implication was that these were lab experiments, right? Like, what... 2 scenes before, you see a terrarium in the run down lab where something that lived in an earthy environment had CLEARLY escaped?

>>57997315 (OP)
>>Sonic movie was a wild success
to be fair they had to delay and redo animations because it was going to look like shit

>>57997315 (OP)
Shit pales in comparison to the real masterpiece

>>57997315 (OP)
Still wild how anime Mewtwo is this movie's Mewtwo

the pokemon movie came out many years before this, and it was very profitable

>>57997315 (OP)
It's not like Detective Pikachu was the only Pokemon movie. There were already 20 other movies that released almost yearly unlike Mario who had one shit live action film in the 90s and some JP only anime movie in the 80s.
>>57997553
That version of Mewtwo is the most well known one so it's the one most often used and referenced in spin-off media. I still remember people being confused why the Mewtwo in Origins didn't talk and was behaving like a mindless animal.

>>57997315 (OP)
I liked it.

>>57997315 (OP)
It's based on one of the most niche modern spin-offs and for some reason used some Twitter attentionwhore's disgusting "realistic" artstyle
These two things totally kill its appeal before you even get into the things that actually define its quality like writing, acting, etc., which aren't special either

>>57997315 (OP)
Minecraft, Mario, and Sonic put effort into their movies
Pokemon doesn't
simple as

>>57997315 (OP)
>Sonic
>Budget: $85-90 million
>Box office: $320 million

>Detective Pikachu
>Budget: $150 million
>Box office: $433 million

It literally made more money AND profit you stupid fuck

>>57997867
One led to a widely popular trilogy with more movies and TV shows in production
The other led to Detective Pikachu Returns

>>57997446
Torterra are like continents. They're a world turtle. Yes, the general design is just a garden on the back of a tortoise, but the giant Torterra are like a maximal expression of Torterra's basic concept, aside from the lore immediately beforehand that they were experimented on and are not naturally that size.

You could not possible be more wrong. That was like the one perfect visual gag the movie did.

>Ugly as sin pokemon models
Eh, 50/50. Like you really don't understand that the only thing preventing a LOT of pokemon from being gross and horrifying is SPECIFICALLY because they're cartoons with flat, textureless colors that you don't perceive the same way as you would an actual living creature with roughly the same anatomy.
So yes, some of them were ugly, but so what? The cartoon monster, if it were real, would be far less cute.

On the other hand, some of the anatomy irritated me. Pikachu's ears, if you were being realistic, would be a cone like structure where you could see it funneling towards an ear canal. As a cartoon, I don't care. It's about the silhouette like Mickey Mouse. But they copped out and took the lazy path and made "Realistic" Pikachu's ears just furry antennae instead of actual ears.

>Based on a shitty spinoff that nobody played.
Yeah. But it has a better script-writing premise so I'm not entirely surprised that's what they did. I'm pretty sure they lost some interest because Detective Pikachu was pretty niche and unpopular.

>>57997315 (OP)
No battles

>>57997576
Anon that's like comparing the animated DC movies to the live action movies that are carried by the actors' names...

>>57997315 (OP)
>>Minecraft movie was a wild success
Your flavor of the month CHICKEN JOCKEY meme isn't something i would call "successful"

>>57998080
It's literally been the biggest theatrical release of the year so far

>>57997951
The giant Torterra were also a nod to Dynamax; Macro Cosmos's logo is seen in the lab specifically for a growth enhancement experiment on the Torterra

>>57997315 (OP)
>minecraft movie was about minecraft
>mario movie was about mario
>sonic movie was about sonic
>pokemon movie was about some ugly mutt with even uglier CGI pokemon as occasional side characters
It's not a big mystery why Detective Pikachu wasn't so successful.

>>57997315 (OP)
they retardedly made it based on a spin-off barely anyone gives a fuck about and justice smith is box office poison despite how hard hollywood keeps trying to shill him

>>57997315 (OP)
I'm surprised any of that dogshit was a success

>let's make a pokemon movie
>without focusing on battles
>city have the same 3 or so pokemon reaming around with very few exceptions for just one scene only
>entire conflict was because a man didn't walk when chansey or blissey exist

i would've cast a younger MC instead of this mystery meat character

>>57997315 (OP)
>Make a Pokemon movie.
>It's just a shitty crime movie neutered for kids, with "muh realistic" designs for Pokemon.

>>57998240
I'm curious, what did you expect exactly?

>>57997315 (OP)
god that actor looks so ugly
it really is a humiliation ritual

>>57998244
You know that magical beasts movies from Harry Potter? The monsters there didn't need to be le realistic

Nta btw

>>57997344
>the plot was terrible
The Plot was great for Pokemon movie.

>>57997547
Funny that the lead in this ended up playing a major character in the Sonic films.

I'd like to say that it was smart to not do an adaptation of red and blue because that would have been really boring to put in a film.

It really should have been an original story or adapt one of the mangas or adapt one of the console RPGs with the unique peotagonists.

>>57998226
>>city have the same 3 or so pokemon reaming around with very few exceptions for just one scene only
So... realistic to the world.
They have made over 45 Pokemon models.

>>57998284
>or adapt one of the mangas
Nobody cares about pokespe for that tho

they should get vince mcmahon to play giovann

ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXkSMcu69tI

The movie was fine and we got some cool cards to go with it. Nothing to complain about.

>>57997315 (OP)
most mutt face in hollywood right now

>>57997315 (OP)
People keep talking about how basing it on Detective Pikachu was a shit idea but it kind of is the best they could have done.
The games themselves provide you with essentially zero compelling characters and the anime isn't faring much better, so you'd essentially be relying on the Pokemon to carry the film.
Problem is Pokemon don't talk, so you can't have a Pokemon character.
Detective Pikachu really was their best shot because it let them have Pikachu as a main character without raising any eyebrows.
Maybe PMD could have worked but without the live action humans aspect it'd be a lot harder to justify the movie's existence in comparison to the plethora of animated Pokemon films that exist already.
As for why Detective Pikachu didn't spawn a franchise? Well the movie ends pretty conclusively, I doubt many people wanna watch a sequel with a human Ryan Reynolds as the main character.

>>57998244
A movie that attempt to grab the sense of adventure and charm of games/anime. Pokemon's strongest (albeit underutilized nowadays) point always was world building and Detective Pikachu just threw it all out of the window for a random black dude, Pikachu that can do jack shit and DUDE CITY WHERE POKEMON BATTLES ARE BANNED LMAO.

Detective Pikachu as a whole thing sucks, it's premise is just miserable contradiction to Pokemon.

>>57998092
Only because anything else was shit, and the minecraft kiddies now have jobs and children.
Rather than a movie, I'd prefer playing Minecraft with my kid.
>Ew, dad playing with you, that's cringe.
My dad played with me SNES games, and I own him my love for emulators since he had friends with disks that had the emulator and roms. Thanks dad.

>>57998458
>my kid
You know the rules.

/pol/fags are out of control it seems.

>>57997315 (OP)
>Hiring Arvalis to work on the movie
>Expecting anything better

Because nobody gives a fuck about "Detective" Pikachu and generic teenager #4,132. If they had just made a Pokemon movie that followed a trainer in the Pokemon world go on a traditional journey, that would have gone down a lot better methinks.

>>57997315 (OP)
Because instead of being a live action retelling of Ash's journey or at least Gen 1, it was about a spinoff that hardly anyone cared about.
Problem is, I Choose You and Origins both already existed to fulfill fairly recent treads of Ash's journey and Gen 1, so those options would both be seen as redundancies.
They should've saved a live action foray for Pokemon's 30th anniversary instead, then they'd be in the clear to strike one of the two, likely Ash's journey since he's now out of the anime's picture.

>>57998042
There were several battles.

>>57997315 (OP)
it sucked even worse than all those other ones

>>57998262
which means it was still terrible

>>57997315 (OP)
Pokemon animation always will be dogshit because tpc want Pokemon be safe and stupid for babies even the detective Pikachu director says working with tpc was pain in the ass they scrapped lots of ideas

>>57998883
The same shit happen to the games too

>>57997315 (OP)
All of those movies are better than detective pikachu. Yes even the minecraft one were there is ironic enjoyment out of it.

The anime is garbage and the less popular media from the franchise ,What made you think that a live action would be better lol the same idiots who believed that removing Ash from the anime would be better lol

Had it been a fully animated movie with cute and cool Pokemon designs more in line with how Pokemon look in the official art style, and been handled by Disney or Pixar or Illumination, we'd probably be getting a third movie in the series right about now.

These three series are more popular than Pokemon especially with children
>Muh biggest multimedia franchise
Making more money is not popular Pokemon just produce more shit like merch, cards and manchildren buy them

>>57998895
Anon, Disney would have to buy Pokémon for that to happen (not happening, they're not buying 4 unrelated companies JUST to get the rights to piggerchu, even Disney execs ain't that fucking retarded) and WB and the franchise had a relationship that existed before Illumination even became a thing, so it was unlikely TPC would break that partnership (that's not how Japanese companies operate - cf the distributor for Nintendo in the nordic countries still being an independent outfit due to the founder establishing a relationship with Nintendo head office directly in the 80's, meaning they left his territories alone when they established Nintebnddo EU and UK to handle the rest of Europe's distribution).
There's more factors in play than just wishing your favourite calarts krews made a pogeymans films, but the world is an altogether complicated, complex beast of regents, rulers, rights, remits and relationships for it to become reality. If it were up to me, I'd have gone to Ghibli and threw money at them until they agreed to make a full-length pokémon animated movie in their style, but I'm a shithead gaijin who knows little of how actually feasible such a plan would be to contract Ghibli to make one.

>>57998901
Bitch, we know EXACTLY how fucking popular the thing is with kids, because adults didn't buy the GBA in any sort of large number and the DS, while popular as all fuck with the general public, Pokémon again seemed to only hit a certain number of players (indeed the average of both new Gen games on the system equalled roughly Gen 3's performance in totality). Thje 3DS was another adult-repellant system, leading Pokémon to once again enshrine itself as the premier kid-popular game series on the system (we all know the same people you're bitching about buying merch and cards are the same who buy mario kart and new SMB2). And once again averaged out to th same totals roughly as Gen 3 and Gen 4/5''s average. Series saw a 10m bump from the potato handheld days, true. But the presence of the Switch Lite and the performance of LGPE prior to SS indicate few kids were getting the systems prior to Gen 8's lauch just after the Lite model released. Series is still popular as fuck with children, you're just in an internet bubble (due to also being a manchild fuck interested in collectorfagging cards for future "profit").

I'm sorry, but Pokemon's animated features are better than live action to me. It just works for the fantasy universe. I thought the live action Lion King looked ridiculous too.

>>57997315 (OP)
>Sonic movie was a wild success
Only after they "hired that man!" to fix their ugly character designs and follow the games.

Hollywood should not be allowed anywhere near Pokémon, end of story.

>>57998997
>T-This totally isn't pre-rework Sonic tier
Proof Pokecultists love eating shit

>>57998891
trAsh is never coming back lol, get fucked moron

>>58000331
And Liko will be gone and forgotten

>>57998942
I wonder if Miyazaki likes Pokemon?

>>58000328
I mean, with the context of that scene, it makes more sense that it would look very grotesque(it's a Pokemon that's completely feral and losing its shit because it's been drugged,) but yeah. Very few Pokemon in this movie look good in a still frame, which is a bit of a problem for this movie too because even fewer people on this world are going to only judge the movie by its movement and not any still frames, especially not of any of its signature things.

>>58000385
that's fine with me, i have no autistic attachment to her like you do with the boy blunder

>>57997344
I was about to say Ryan Reynolds was super disappointing. He has the same personality as every other fucking role, but he felt even lower energy as pikachu. Very disappointing, I would have had a whacky comedy voice instead of "low energy sarcasm"

Plus the writing just wasn't all that funny. If they had top tier jokes, maybe it could work.

>>58000393
I love Magcargo, bros.

>>57997315 (OP)
I thought the movie was okay leaving theaters, but I never wanted to watch it again, it was not interesting at all to me, it should have been animated so Ms. Norman would get some actual smut.

>>57997315 (OP)
Pokemon Detective movie had Ryan Gosling who can only be funny if he says fuck and shit...in a kid's movie starring generic American mutt. It was doomed from the start

Pikachu as Danny Devito would've saved it.

>>58001063
>Pikachu as Danny Devito would've saved it.
If you mean in the Jack Black as Steve kinda way, then possibly, everyone was begging for it at the time.

>>57997315 (OP)
>Detective Pikachu evolves into the kid's dad
Hilarious but yeah that hokiness is probably why it underperformed

i don't think detective pikachu was a bad choice to adapt into a pokemon movie, but i think the pokemon themselves weren't very appealing. they looked too gritty and realistic and i think for something as cartoony as pokemon it just doesn't really work. you need a bit of a bouncier colourful aesthetic to make it more marketable. i also think the environment was a bit too gritty and kinda dull

i think this movie would've benefitted from 3D models like the mewtwo movie remake but in the real world. it might've looked a bit silly but it worked out in minecrafts favour

>>57997315 (OP)
I will not see any movie with a zoomer nignog protagonist, I refuse to even pirate them.

>>57997315 (OP)
I thought it was fine. Ryan Reynolds was based, and I thought the reporter chick was cute
Though there may be a reason why I haven't watched it since.