>>58000618 (OP)
Dodrio

Sunkern and Ledian

>>58000618 (OP)
sigh

>>58000618 (OP)
GF please save him

>>58000618 (OP)

>>58000618 (OP)
favorite mon in general
i hope they keep megas permanently with gen 10

>>58000618 (OP)
>Balanced around signiture Z-Move
>Axed Z-Moves so it just fucking sucks
>TierShift adds +20 in all stats & is still kinda ass
>AAA with wind Rider+Z-Tailwind to actually function as a pokemon

Oh well, at least it's breddy gud in Unite/TCGPocket

Why the FUCK do shitmons even exist to begin with? what the fuck does gamefreak get from making only 20% good pokemon while the rest are fucking garbage?

>>58000711
I like how he has the wrong weezing.

>>58000869
to make the shillmons look better

>>58000723
Why? Sableye's mega is such a bad design; both visually and to play as.

>>58000869
There's over 600 fully evolved mons at this point.
It'd be nearly impossible not to have some stinkers at this point

>>58000937
What’s wrong with it? It’s better in comp and in-game than Sableye

>>58000869
The same reason most games struggle with balance. It's impossible to predict what kind of meta will form before the release of a game. Something that is broken in one game might be useless in another. The actual competitive power of any video game character isn't well understood until after literally thousands of players spend hundreds of hours stress testing the system. You think Gen 1 wanted the legendary birds and dragonite to play second fiddle to chansey and tauros?

>>58000941
Well, I mean for one, look at it. It's just Sableye with a prop, one that fucks with his animation and movement so much that it's just a downgrade. It suffers from the same thing as a lot of megas, in that it's just a "make me uglier" button.
Secondly, Prankster is a much more satisfying ability to work with than Magic Bounce is. Prankster lets you build out a proper support pokemon that can mess with fast sweepers. Magic Bounce is just "lmao, you wanted to use strategies other than straight attack? Oops, try not to be creative next time".
Finally, its not like Mega Sableye stat wise was fun to play with or against. It's just a wall, one that you can't put on a timer with status.
I don't think Mega Sableye is a particularly bad mega in compared to the rest, but like almost all megas, it is just bad in general.

>>58000952
I never know what anti-mega people want from megas (outside of removing them). It’s always
>design is too cluttered
>design isn’t cluttered enough
>design doesn’t fit my fighting style
Always interesting to see.

>>58000956
The few good mega designs are ones that take a relatively simple design, and add flair to it that has slightly more creative depth than "add spikes" or "add hair"
Really not that complicated. You can't make Garchomp look better by adding more spikes. You can't make Tyranitar look better by adding more spikes. You can't make Sharpedo look better by adding more spikes. etc, etc.

>>58000965
What are your thoughts on Mega Gengar and Swampert?

>>58000972
Mega Gengar would be an A+ design if it wasn't for these stupid fuckin chicken legs. And unfortunately, with a design this simple, it really weighs it down enough to not be worth bringing back in my opinion.
Mega Swampert is... truthfully just kind of an ugly design. I can appreciate they attempted to do something unique with it other than their bog standard of "give prop/spikes/hair", but the weight of the creature just isn't believable.
I think a better example of a Mega that ended up uglier than their base form, but I enjoy simply because it does something you wouldn't expect is Mega Gyarados. The creature is somewhat believable in how it moves, and even though it can't compare to the original, it's unique enough to justify its own existance.

Used to be serviceable, got absolutely fucked by the split so now it can only be a special attacker and double-fucked by getting a worthless hidden ability when it already was fast enough, and triple fucked with an absolutely moronic mega

>>58000986
>Used to be serviceable
He's literally the WORST option even though half of the game is made of water type pokemon

>>58000934
They both have Neutralizing Gas now

>>58001011
Being the worst pick doesn't make it bad. Blaziken and Swampert are just obscenely good, and still are to this day.

Yanmega.

>>58000618 (OP)
I am playing where the mainline games. If it doesn't beat the Champion, it's not an official team member. There are a fare bunch of 'good Pokemon' that I've used up, and I'm trying a bunch of the mid ones now with the few 'good' team members left. (I'm excluding Ultra Beasts, Legendaries and Paradox as well until I've used everyone I possibly could.

Ledian has been tried on the team 5 times so far. I love the design and idea and... It just sucks. It's fucking awful. I think the only way I can get away with it is if I do another "Gale of Darkness" run and use it to weaken Shadow Pokemon

>>58001215
*I am playing where I gotta beat the mainline games with atleast one of every normal Pokemon.

Accidently deleted half of the first sentence, because I'm drunk and retarded and sad for Ledian

>>58000869
Pokemon are supposed to be animals, do you think a mouse will kill a tiger? Life is not balanced for competitive

>>58001222
>do you think a mouse will kill a tiger?
A mouse that shoots thunders could

>>58001011
If Sceptile was quadrupedal Pokefags would crucify it like they do with Meganium.

>>58001238
that’s not why they crucify Meganium tho

>>58001092
>Blaziken
>obscenely good
Only because of Speed Boost, Blaziken is worse than Sceptile in gen 3. Swampert is the only one that hung out with the gen 3 core. Battle Frontier was also a Swampert check, otherwise, you had to get lucky

>>58001222
Gen 1 had the excuse of being made by duck tape and wishes. and early on they did seem try to balance things, but at some point they either lost control, just stopped giving a shit, or intentionally made things unbalanced so their shillmons can look better and they can punish players to having the "wrong" favorites.
>>58000939
Yes balancing 600 of anything is impossible, and even without that huge number of monsters there is always going to be a top of the meta. but the gap between good and bad being as wide as it is inexcusable. There's a difference between some Pokémon being better than others and some pokemon being complete worthless in all contexts. Shit like >>58001215 is garbage even by early gen,early route bug type standards.
for fuck sake Pokemon GO puts more effort into balancing their tap tap PvP that's only been around for 5 years than game freak has over 20.
>>58001222
People don't pay $60 + the cost of a piece of shit console that can't handle "future proofed" models + bullshit subscription + tip to play "Life" . What self-loathing jackass plays videogames for more of the shit sandwich called "life"?
And since when are Pokémon "Animals", aren't they "yokai" or some shit. If their animals, that stupid whore who wrote the rape shit from the tera leak has some 'spainin' to do and should be put on a list.
tdlr, Game Freak should spend less time raping kids and more time balancing their battle monsters.
>>58000983
what do you consider the worst mega?

>>58001289
Don't like it? Don't buy it.

>>58000621
He said shitmon

>>58001289
>And since when are Pokémon "Animals"
Pokemon have been animal analogues since their creation

>>58001304
Dodrio is a shitmon though. Not good in VGC, not good in smogon, not even that good in its release gen

Minmaxed pokemon ALWAYS have been the only viable pokemon ever since gen 1 btw

>>58001312
Bro it's literally the best gen 1 non legendary bird in the game with a decent movepool

>>58001246
What I mean is that being bipedal shouldn't give an exemption from scathing criticism.

>>58001312
>not even that good in its release gen
Retard.

>>58001289
>what do you consider the worst mega?
Couple ways to take that question.
In a vacuum, you have something like Mega Salamence, which feels like they made a C- illustration, said fuck it, and pushed it forward without thinking how the thing would look as a model, how it would animate, or how it would look like from literately any other angle.
But, there was at least, like, a thought behind the design of Mega Salamence, which is more than can be said of Mega Venusaur or Mega Aerodactly. Seriously, compare Mega Venusaur to Gigantamax Venusaur, it's night and day the effort they put behind the designs.
There's also a case to be made for a design that just flat out don't look good, like the Mega Lati Twins or Mega Manectric
Personally, my take is that half the joy of an idea behind something like mega evolution is seeing how much more animated they can be in combat, which makes any of the megas that look clunky moving the worst among them. So Mega Sableye, Salamence, Swampert, Slowbro, and Tyranitar are probably the 5 worst ones, with Mega Salamence taking the cake

>>58000618 (OP)
She'll never be meta relevant again without mega. Sucks.

>>58000618 (OP)
Low SpA, pure Psychic-type, very average evolution level at 25, all it has going on is speed and even then it's slower than Kadabra. But regardless of all that, it's still aesthetic as fuck. I'm specifically talking about the female one here, surely you can find uses for the male one.

>>58000618 (OP)
Love this big guy

>>58001398
Mega Sableye concept is great. Defensive Gem goblin grows a gem from his chest and now its even more defensive.
Its expanded version of original idea.
Funny you didnt include LUcario. IMO one of the most boring megas- both in play and design.

>>58001401
Even with a mega she was barely meta relevant

>>58000618 (OP)
>Forget to make special attacker... a special attacker

>>58001315
Yeah but that’s not a high bar to clear. And again, it’s still not that good because of the ubiquity of Rock-types. I guess it’s not complete shit but it’s definitely shit now

It was good for 3 years. It's been shit for 8 and a half so I think it qualifies.

>>58001415
I know. I phrased it that way because there's always that one nitpicky person who has to correct you if you don't mention like the one time they were even slightly relevant.
Kinda like how there's always one nitpicky person where they have to clarify meta relevance in general.
Seems like I can't please anybody either way.

>>58001418
He's not bad even post-nerf.

>>58001398
What are the best megas aside from Banette’s?

>>58001414
>Mega Sableye concept is great.
To each their own I guess, but I think it's terrible for two reasons
One, Sableye's animations in the past have never been defensive, and it's stats don't really suggest that either. Based on it's moveset, it's lanky design, and prankster, it's clearly meant to be annoying and erratic; only after the mega came out does it suddenly become a defensive based pokemon.
Two, even if we do hyper focus on the previous no-weakness dark/ghost type (the ONLY thing that suggests it was defensive back in gen 3) and say it was always mean to be a defensive wall, they pulled out the laziest possible way to emulate that; just give it a shield, shields are defensive right? If it's meant to be a defensive gem golem, maybe make the design bulkier, or, I dunno, just change it in any meaningful way to get rid of the lanky, prankster design element.
>Funny you didnt include Lucario
Easily falls under the same category of Venusaur and Aerodactyl of having no thoughts behind the design. Just didn't think it was worse than those two.

>>58001422
Steelix probably stands out as the next best executed Mega after Bannette. Obviously, the core theme of most Megas is "make it busier, make it pointier", which is usually made by just adding random spikes and shapes to it. Mega Steelix does kinda just do that, but it makes sense in context since it's now magnetized. I could leave the weird beard they added to it, but it's otherwise a competent design.
Mega Abomasnow straddles the line of not changing enough to justify it's existence, but the new movement of going on all fours is enough for me to buy it.
Mega Audino, Mega Beedrill, and Mega Mawile are incredibly basic executions of the idea of a super form, but they do their job well enough that I think that I'd be wiling to call them good.

>>58000869
Either
>GF doesn't care about how strong a mon is
or
>GF does care, but they have zero fucking idea how their own games work
Assuming the shitmon in question was a shitmon in its debut gen, and didn't become one in a later generation due to powercreep/feature changes.

>slow, frail mixed attacker
>still one of the coolest moths in the game

Since it's inception I have spent the years since smashing my fucking head against a wall trying to get this thing off the ground at all.
I've tried rock polish sweeper, I've tried full defence investment with assault vest, both as a revenge killer and a stall/pivot wall. I feel like I've done it all, and every time it falls short of accomplishing one single task of any particular role.
I love this fucker like you wouldn't believe, but I think it's time I came to terms with the stone edge cold truth;
It is unusable.

>>58001416
I'm still mad to this day
>turns out the artists and gameplay designers aren't allowed to talk to each other when creating pokemon so the devs just made it Golem(copy).png cause Rock type

>>58001401
>Gallade is a great Doubles mon + a better Trick Room attacker
>Iron Valiant is a great Singles mon + a better special Fairy attacker
Cuckvoir lmao

>love at first sight
>replaced my starter with it immediately
>use it all the way through both Arven and Nemona's stories
>lots of cool utility moves, perfect for addling the opponent for other team members, fits its theme
>nonstop fuarkin sick tcg artwork
>I Just Think It's Neat

>BST: 404 viability not found
>35 speed
>fucking s t a k e o u t
fuck gamefreak for always pulling this shit, this is blatant cruelty

>>58000618 (OP)
I had a shiny spinda named Fidget in one of my gen 7 runs and I went around hitting z-copycat on everything because it was funny

For me it's Exploud

>>58001681
holy crap, that's a real pokemon, i thought it was AI or something

>>58000869
It’s a natural thing in video games. There has to be a worst Pokemon and second worst Pokemon and so on.

>>58000618 (OP)
I've been pissed since Gen1 because Jackie Chan is my favorite actor.

>>58002090
That's a non-argument when dozens of mons are relegated to perpetual shitmon status "because every game has to be a carbon copy of the same 20 hour tutorial with caterpie, ratatta and pidgey"

>>58001222
modern Pikachu would absolutely clown on the legendary dogs because of all the Pikawank items and moves Gayfreak has given it

>>58001398
I disagree with your notion that clunky movement is a detriment as megas being restricted to battle means a non speedy mon should be able to express their mega through pure defense or power. In defense of Mega Slowbro and Swampert. Slowbro's shell consuming it's body is a great expansion of the core behind it's original design, and as a psychic it can get away with moving weirdly. Plus, slowbro would look weird moving fast.

As for Swampert, I feel the mega massive arms suit it. It's a mud skipper. They move on land by flapping their forward fins. It's their most unique trait and its taken to the extreme like any of the well thought out megas are.

>>58001639
Rhyperior (M) @ Choice Band
Ability: Solid Rock
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Rock Wrecker
- Outrage
- Megahorn
- Earthquake
Use Soak on it.

>>58001681
I love it as well, but this guy dont even work on trickrooms.

Like it should have got 90 speed Or reskin of pranskter but for bug moves only

>>58000869
Go play another RPG and you'll see plenty of mediocre items.

>>58001312
Its not a shitmon. Its strong enough and can even be a great supporter

>>58001423
It's a gemstone eater. Of course its a tanky mon.

Such a shit typing for a defensive mon

>>58002444
It was good back in the day. Also I love its design, very underrated

>shitmon even ingame for 20 years
>finally gets buffed into a proper glass cannon
>taken away two gens later
Seems like they'll never do proper rebalances and just random +10s to stats on a few mon so I hope they finally just keep megas around now that they're coming back for ZA.

>>58001639
Loaded Dice is pretty fun.
Shame it doesn’t get Skill Link

Deserves an evolution or a new gimmick form

I think it's adorable.
Also Sandshrew line, Porygon, Dunsparce line, Venomoth, Tadbulb line, among others

>>58001639
Solid Rock is undertuned. It feels like an ability they never bothered to test

I like this bee like you wouldn't believe

>>58000644
Man with just a few more points in SPA he would be so top tier. Still love him regardless.

there's no such thing as a shitmon, only a shit trainer

>>58002527
and there is also filter that does the same

Should work more on this, but basically not counting anything that got anything Gen 6+ (Mega, Regional, Dynamax, New Evo. Convergent + Paradox don't count)

Rip this apart, gimme ideas and I'll post an updated version later.

>>58002251
Wouldn’t the ability to be strong enough crack gemstones to eat imply it’s a glass cannon?

>>58002586
>Feraligatr
>in the same tier as Ledian or Sunflora
It's a decent mon, not broken or anything but it's clearly not a shitmon

>>58002586
Fair, I'll knock it down. I figured it's atleast trash in comparison to many other Water starters

>>58002586
>Dugtrio
No way in hell was Wugtrio a "buff".
>Vileplume
Access to strength sap was huge.
>Ariados
Got toxic thread it's good now (^:

All the Hitmons need a buff.

>>58002628
>>58002586
Move Donphan to “could use something” it’s been consistently decent in OU or amazing in UU except for gen 7.

If paradoxes and convergent don’t count then neither should regionals or parallel evo branches (ursaluna counting for ursaring makes sense but clodsire shouldn’t count for Quagsire) Also it might be easier to just put the Pokémon’s picture rather than including their evo’s picture

>>58002653
Fair, I'll post a better one in 24 hours because I got games to play rn

>>58000934
Kweezing was better when zacian was launching Behemoth Blades everywhere

>>58000618 (OP)
Dunsparce. I really like Dudunsparce too

>>58000624
He wasn't a shitmon in gen 1 at least.

>>58000986
Shed Tail gives it some niche as a fast sub passer

>>58002637
The only real buff hitmontop needs is the deletion of Incineror

>>58000618 (OP)
Lapras and Dewgong pisses me off for this reason.
Lapras could still be a shitmon in competitive due to its ice type and being designed as a slow tank... but at least could have been given a better sp attack stat (specially since its sp.attack got lowered after the special split in g2) so it could be a fun casual mon.
It's movepool basically screams special attacker, both before and after g4 physical/special split, but noooo, give it a barely useful 85 sp. attck and keep the same amounts of points in physical attack that it doesn't have any use for. It's literally the SURF MO pokemon in g2, it should have a good surf attack.
Dewong is a similar and worse scenario. It should have been a faster alternative to lapras, and one of the best ice/water for that reason, or at least decently good for casual play. Instead it is a worse lapras with worse sp.attack, useless points in physical attack and the only thing it have better than lapras is 10 points more in speed, which is still fucking slow.
What were they thinking? seriously, seals are fast swimmers. Yeah they are slow on land, but a lot of fish pokemon have good speed stat, and those are based on species that are even worse in land IRL. It doesn't even have swift swim for fucks sake.
Both were some of my fav g1 designs.

>>58002241
>Prankster Lunge, Pounce, Struggle Bug, and Sticky Web (or Silk Trap)
just boost its defences and/or health and we could be cooking

>>58002879
Lapras was pretty good in gen 8 due to its g-max I thought

>>58001639
It had its popularity peak in SwSh VGC at first.

>>58003043
how so?

>>58003088
Paired with Trick Room Dusclops w/ Bulldoze with Rhyperior holding Weakness Policy

>>58002879
>>58002293
>gamefreak's entire pokemon creation process is retarded. Artists; the guys who write dex entries; and those who make the stats, movesets and shit don't communicate with each other, the teraleak confirmed this.
I wouldn't even be surprised if stats and movesets are handled by different people too kek

Chances are every Pokemon mentioned in this thread were fuvked over by Game Freak being retards.

>>58002473
it's weird how they gave primeape a ghost evo when it would fit him so much more, the mushroom finally killing the bug and becoming ghost/grass

>>58002785
>Niche
It’s a budget Cyclizar at best

>>58003255
At least it gets the option and forces the 50 50 against waters and grounds. Stay in and potentially get KO'd? Or switch and grant Sceptiles team, not only momentum, but a sub.

>>58000869
They make them out of pure spite. It's to laugh at you, because they can

Easy fixes
>>58000624
+10 points to Special Attack (73 -> 83)
+10 points to Speed (67 -> 77)
Forewarn -> No Guard

>>58000644
+20 points to Speed (108 -> 128)

>>58000711
Slow Start's countdown now persists after switching out so you can whittle away at it over the course of a match.

Gigas, as well as every other Regi, gets Teleport.

>>58001222
>do you think a mouse will kill a tiger?
252 SpA Light Ball Tera Ice Pikachu Tera Blast (80 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Landorus-Therian: 352-420 (92.1 - 109.9%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO

Yes

>>58002090
Ganondorf is a lot closer in power level to Steve than Ledian is to Arceus. If Sakurai can do it, why can't Game Freak?

>when his BST starts with a 5
I sure hope your favorite pokemon doesn't do this.

>>58001647
Uh, Gigalith is way better than Golem
>No Ground type so no 4x weakness to Grass or Water + no weakness to Ice
>Bulkier than Golem
>Hits harder than Golem
>Later gets Sand Stream

Gigalith is to Golem as Conkeldurr is to Machamp.

>>58001438
>GF does care, but they have zero fucking idea how their own games work
Reminder that one of the 2 ways GameFreak sought to nerf Talonflame was by making Alolan Golem, thinking people would actively use Alolan fucking Golem to counter it.

>>58002879
>this fucking Dewgong slander again
it gets Fake Out and Icy Wind. Sorry she's not gor singles smogchuddy, but a pokemon that has literally won locals isnt a bad pokemon.

>>58002232
Maybe I wasn't clear, but I mean "clunky" as in "less believable" and not "sluggish".
Like I previously stated, Mega Gyarados looks a hell of a lot more sluggish, as does Abomasnow, Heracross, and Garchomp to an extent. But at least these creatures can believably fight and move.
This is contrast to things like Sableye, which even the anime needed to retcon that the gem shrinks when taking damage so they can remove it. Or Slowbro, which would imply that it's tail is both incredibly sturdy AND Slowbro of all pokemon gained an immaculate sense of balance? It's such a weird thing that makes the creature less believable.

>>58002240
I've just realized Rhyperior gets Reckless as a hidden ability but have never been able to learn Head Smash.

Rhyperiror.
The rhinoceros.
Can't smash things with its head.
But a fucking fish can.

>>58003250
What annoys me the most is that Game Freak don't seem to realize a lot of pokemons really need a deep rework.
Sometimes they may change a stat by 10 points in some shitmon or change the abilities (making some shitmons automatic weather setters in gen VII was a welcome choice, but gengar and talonflame ones are a tragedy), but some really need entire stat redistributions to match not only the metagame but also their very own identity (remember slowlet and slowla in general).
It's like they are too proud to admit and fix their biggest fumbles. Nidoqueen and Nidorina has been sterile for eight gens already. It can only breed in her first stage, the whole line is a walking christmas cake stereotype. It literaly contradicts ints own pokedex entries, its a bug, not a feature.

>>58000644
>>58000986
>>58001411
>>58001639
>>58002444
>>58002637
>>58001416
>>58001409
None of these are shitmons. Not being OU in a meta designed around turbo-autism doesn't mean they're bad, otherwise you'd have to classify every Pokemon except Mega-Fug and Sword Dog as a "shitmon". A real shitmon is like
>>58001215
where the Pokemon sucks and dies even against npc trainers and can't be used even in the most casual battle facility setting.

>>58001681
He's obviously designed as a suicide lead, but GF forgot that the suicide lead concept doesn't work in single player, and basically haven't existed in pvp for a decade.

Give him fishious rend or a third evo.
>he doesn't have gi-
Shut the fuck up turbo faggot.

>>58003360
You also forgot:
- Game Freak expecting Aromatisse to be widely used for Trick Room.
- Game Freak being shocked that Aegislash was being used as a special attacker instead of a physical attacker.

>>58003401
>What annoys me the most is that Game Freak don't seem to realize a lot of pokemons really need a deep rework.
Sorry, but Aurorus having Power Gem, Dewgong having Freeze-Dry, and Meganium having Flower Veil would warp the meta into oblivion because Game Freak in its infinite esoteric knowledge on balancing said so (please ignore Flutter Mane and Dondozo).

>>58002539
anon... "beelieve" was right there

>>58000618 (OP)
>Be Absol
>Designed to be glass cannon physical attacker
>75 speed
>Not fast even by Gen 3 standards
>Can't use STAB off your 130 attack stat
>Have to use 75 special attack because you're a Dark-type
>Only ability is Pressure (a stalling ability) on a pokemon with 60 in both defenses and 65 HP
>Proceeds to be mediocre for three straight gens

>Gen 6 happens
>You get a mega
>Finally you're not shi-!
>Not Dark/Fairy
>Despite visual AND thematic sense
>Not Dark/Fairy
>No STAB Play Rough 4U
>40 points that were desperately needed elsewhere wasted on special attack for some reason
>Only ability is Magic Bounce (a stalling ability) on a pokemon with 60 in both defenses and 65 HP
>Can't take solace in being immune to Prankster status moves because ALL Dark-types are immune to Prankster status moves by the next gen
>Litteral shit-eating goblin gets to be first Dark/Fairy type
>>Proceeds to be mediocre for the foreseeable future

>>58003457
Remember also that Game Freak tried to remake Dugtrio twice, and in both occasions, the main idea was to replace arena trap (the ability that allows Dugtrio to have competitive use) with an ability that slows foes that hit it, in pokemons that have 35 base HP and 120 base speed.

>>58003575
Also fuck the guy who wanted to kick the poor thing while it was down by writing a dex entry explicitly about how Mega Absol's wings aren't real and that it can't fly. Did they have to take the term "Disaster Pokemon" so damn literal?

>>58002785
>its best move is to get out of the way the let a better pokemon to sweep
shed tail is really is a broken move, its not so much a buff to the pokemon with shed tail but a buff to the respective tier's best set up sweepers and wall breakers

>>58002245
>dodrio is in the lowest tier in every generation's singles formats since generation 4
>there were three (three) teams I could even find on VGCpastes that had dodrio
of those, 2 were reg g. the first peaked at 28th in battle stadium season 26 and had miraidon/iron hands/whimsicott/incineroar
econd was a mono-normal team placing 434th
1 was reg H and it was just some random shell smash torterra team that wasn't in any tournament or ingame ladder, just a random tweet
of the 2860 teams catalogued for their respective regulations, only 0.00104895% were dodrio

must truly be "strong enough" and "a great supporter" with a usage percentage measured in thousandths

Also 110 attack hasn't been impressive since generation 3, and 100 speed isn't anything to brag about anymore

>>58000869
In early gens like 1 and 2 Pokemon was probably primarily meant to be an adventure rpg rather than a balanced strategy pvp (even though pvp was still possible), so pokemon were probably balanced around their availability/how they fit into the story (e.g. bugs appear early and are common so they're "weak", dragons and psychics appear late and are rare so they're "strong")

>>58000986
uses leaf storm then shed tails out, what's to hate

>>58000986
The only new move it got being Shed Tail reminds of the time someone was literally pissed that Meganium got more new moves (Knock Off and Body Press) than Sceptile.
Why people get angry over weak Pokemon getting something for once is beyond me.

>>58003744
you could use it in gen 3 with some support but I’m not sure how that meta is now that it’s had time to settle

>>58000618 (OP)
Sudowoodo

>>58002586
>get regional variant
>It completely and utterly makes the original irrelevant forever
This rarely happens but it worries me

>>58003955
There’s a reason why the only Pokémon that have ever gotten regionals are Pokemon that game freak hates or doesn’t value while their favorites get megas

>>58003419
hes already the best water/rock type of which theres a dozen shitmons worse off

>>58001639
solid suggester is okay

>>58001639
It’s literally useful in VGC right now

>>58002586
Does Clefable really even need a buff?
isnt it pretty good already

>>58001639
I use it with weakness policy max attack max hp to stomach and physical hit and blow them away that said this is a solid RU/UU pokemon that has seen success even relatively recently in vgc and defiantly not a shitmon just being a rock type is harder than being other types baring bug and maybe ice

>>58003996
Bug is low key good as a defensive type now

>>58004005
Why? I saw one of the most commonly used mons had a bug Tera type (forget which)

>>58003996
Which of these types are NOT in the bottom three?
>Ice
>Bug
>Rock
>Normal

>>58004006
incin

>>58004009
Normal, it's pretty bad but can be made to work with good stats thanks to consistent neutral damage against most types. Ignoring type converage is consistently dangerous, just look at how good Lokix is thanks to tinted lens. Indeedee, Ursaluna, and H-Zoroark show normal can still be tied to extremely strong pokemon.

>>58003304
Two reasons
Ledian is not intended to be as good as Arceus. Pokemon isn't just an pvp strategy game, its also a fantasy rpg. Having your little critter you catch immediately be as powerful as the end game boss is just not narratively fulfilling.
You could ask why Zekrom can't compete with Miraidon, which would be a fair question to ask, but I think that's on similar levels to Steve/Ganondorf
Two, the character count is literately over 10 times different. 89 vs over 1000 characters to balance.

Either Golisopod or Tropics? All my other top 25 faves have seen some sort of competitive use

>>58000869
Why do you even exist to begin with? The same reason. The rest of us need someone to laugh with.

>>58004049
Except it's no longer landing as a fantasy element. Ledian is bad because it got cast as the Early Route Bug, by someone who wasn't involved in its actual character design. These conventions that set up certain mons to be pitiful forever because they happen to be part of a tutorial have worn out their welcome

>>58001422
the flame cuffs and muay tai stance are badass

>>58002586
Unown Deserve its own tier over NEED SUPPORT.

>>58003384
I still disagree on slowbro. Shelldar is its own being and could be responsible for the balance, and like I said Slowbro is psychic so it could be holding itself up that way. But i'm curious, would you like the design more if it was laying on it's belly?

>>58004231
They respected the GOAT

>>58000618 (OP)
Since Colosseum I've always been fond of Plusle.

>>58003962
>gamefreak hates meowth, vulpix, and eggsexutor
Press x to doubt

>>58004625
longcat was amazing

>>58004006
Resists Ground, Fighting, and Ogerpon without being weak to Electric and Ice.

>>58003384
>Slowbro of all pokemon gained an immaculate sense of balance?
>>

>>58004009
Funny how all 4 of these are the only types that retained some of their early gen type identity.

>>58003457
>Fairy type Trick Room setter immune to Taunt, Encore, etc
>Actually finds use in VGC
Hatterene is Aromatisse but done right kek

>>58000618 (OP)
Typhlosion

>>58004726
What?

>>58004726
steel completely usurped rock's identity as the premiere defensive type

we have reached a point where somehow rock is an offensive type and poison is a defensive type

I think pokemon needs a wide scale stat rebalancing at some point. There's a lot of pokemon designed around the pre split mechanics.

>>58002777
He was. He only got better on the tradeback meta.

>>58000952
>>58000983
>>58004691
These things just look too fucking stupid

>>58004691
Are you agreeing or disagreeing with anon? Because balancing on that tail is pretty impressive.

Not explicitly a shitmon, but it is kind of now cause of clodsire.

>>58004625
To be fair. KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOO Pokémon are an outlier. No non-gen 1 Pokemon that got a regional is even remotely respected by Game Freak

Also Dusknoir is sadly not great, which is missed potential. It doesn't get levitate for some reason, and pressure is too niche to be useful overall. Again, not shitmon, I need to think hard on this.

>>58005433
Nah, it’s absolutely a shitmon. A tank with mediocre attack and no recovery, whose support capabilities are outperformed by its pre-evo.

>>58005436
Oh fair enough, I did beat the elite four with one, but desu, that's not hard lol

>>58000618 (OP)
Actually tried using a Pikachu on my team for my Y playthrough. Got it to around lv55 before dropping it because it was basically useless, even for a gen as braindead as 6.

Murkrow's brief time in the spotlight before HOME came and shat up the SV meta was nice......

>>58000618 (OP)
Flareon.
The third Pokémon I got to level 100. I liked it because it looked the most like a natural evolution of Eevee. It was definitely one of those Pokémon that child-me gave all Fire moves though. Bad stats and bad movepool sadly.

Kabutops is my favorite, but I acknowledge he is pretty shitty.

I like sudowoodo because of the mimic gimmick and the fond memories of using it in gen 2. But man, sudowoodos stats and move pool are just not good. And it gets outclassed by so many other rock types.

>>58004609
>But i'm curious, would you like the design more if it was laying on it's belly?
Had to sketch it to see if I would, but unironically, I think it would improve it threefold.
I don't think it would be BETTER than traditional Slowbro. But it wouldn't be bottom 5 Mega Designs anymore.

>>58005613
Don't be like Ass Ketchup and evolve the Pikachu next time.
Requires a Thunder Stone to evolve into Raichu.

>>58002473
He at least serves a function in RBY. Where if you didn't pick Bulbasaur, his placement in Mt Moon means you can have a Grass type that near immediately fully evolves to use against Misty. He's one of those Gen1 pokemon who were designed for a very specific context in the Campaign and have been suffering for it ever since.

>>58000618 (OP)
>Design that successfully manages to be both cool and cute
>Ability that's good on paper
>>>>Those stats
I'll never forgive Game Freak.

>>58005974
I miss that short window when he was decent in Pocket.

>>58006402
There’s no way. It evolves at level 24.

>>58000618 (OP)
>Catch a Skitty early on in Sapphire and name it after my own cat
>Have a level 40 Skitty with Exp. Share in my party by the time I reach Soothopolis, waiting for it to evolve
>My friend tells me it needs a Moonstone
>"Fucking finally, I can't wait to use Delcatty in battle!"
>Mfw it's fucking useless
At least gambling with Assist was fun...

>>58005701
Sadly, as cool as most the fossils are, all of them are trash except the galar abominations and Aerodactyle.

>>58006425
If Ledian and Delibird can get total overhauls, so can fossil Pokemon.

>>58000869
They aren't supposed to be balanced and they didn't anticipate metagamers. Onix was originally designed to just be a first boss fight.

>>58006431
I'm still hoping that one day, a game will feature a proper time machine and we can go catch ancient Pokémon in their proper habitats, meaning no tacked-on Rock type, no nerfed powerlevels, and the proper limbs attached for the Galar ones.

>>58006439
Knowing Game Freak they'll be edgy and subversive by having them still excessively weak.

>>58006438
>Onix was le shit to be le first boss
>second boss is fucking Starmie
U wot m8?

>>58006465
Early pokemon is very heavily inspired by Dragon quest

>>58006431
Give literally any other ability that isn't slow start, klutz, slow start, stall, or truant

>>58006527
Sorry, that isn't Ledian or Delibird so Archeops is therefore unsalvageable.

>>58006431
>If Ledian and Delibird can get total overhauls,

When did this happen

>>58006465
>second boss is inherently harder than the first one
yes and?

>>58006598

>>58001401
There's always the TCG.

>>58000618 (OP)
the real deal

>>58000618 (OP)
He is my son

>>58006379
I imagined something like this myself and I do like the idea. It would probably need to be refined more to have a better silhouette, a lot of pokemon's strength in designs lay in their silhouettes being so strong (hence the who's that pokemon). Might be why they had it balance on it's tail in the first place. I'd probably fix that by altering the shell design to rise up, maybe in a spiral.

>>58000618 (OP)
Whichever pokemon is sexo

>>58006527
give it Entrainment

>>58007123
i like to use Block + Soak + Toxic online with it to get rid of annoying pokemon like ferrothorn or anything that cant kill it in 2 hits

>>58007196
Would make so many shitmons viable. And by so many like 3, but some would have a good niche.

Regigas would be able to severely hamper physical attackers while he has a lead on slow starting. Even if the person just switches out it still would be another turn down on the slow start timer.

Archeops would be able to switch in on already damaged enemies to cripple them or force a switch out, and then either damage race the mon that switched in on entrainment or switch out to do it again in the future.

Slaking would pretty much shut any other pokemon down that can't outspeed and kill it in one shot, forcing them to switch out. This would be balanced by the fact that either slaking has to switch out too or give the opponent a free turn to switch out on its lazy turn.

>>58008554
give Regigigas the signature move Ancient Curse, a plus priority spread Entrainment. Give anyone and everyone Slow Start first turn. It may not exactly make Regigigas better, but it'll make him more valuable.

>>58000618 (OP)
Wurmple.
Favorite 'mon in general.

>>58006646
Isn't that radical red

>>58008800
I'm Sorry

>>58001401
Consistent in RU at least
Oh who am I kidding she's only that high because of popularity, NU is where she belongs

>>58000618 (OP)
My boy

>>58000624
Hypno should have 100% accuracy with Hypnosis.

>>58009309
Annoying randbat cunt

>>58000618 (OP)
It's my favorite pokemon period but even I'm not retarded enough to believe it can do anything unevolved like that.

>>58000618 (OP)