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>Thread question:
Discuss ways of cooking non-traditionally eaten Pokemon. If you were trapped in the Unovan desert and you really needed to eat, how would you prepare something like a Darumaka?

>Previous thread:
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>>58000977 (OP)
>If you were trapped in the Unovan desert and you really needed to eat, how would you prepare something like a Darumaka?
If I was trapped in a desert I wouldn't be able to do anything but rip at it like an animal with my hands and teeth

>>58000977 (OP)
>If you were trapped in the Unovan desert and you really needed to eat, how would you prepare something like a Darumaka?
>"All right little buddy. I know it's scary out there foraging for food on your own, and I wish I could be by your side, but with this broken shin I'm not going anywhere until help arrives. Just remember: lightly sear the grass types to preserve the water in their bodies. Run away if you spot a Sigilyph. And no matter what, always remember: I love you and I believe in you."

>>58001015
It evolves to Darmanitan on the spot and carries you to safety.

>>58000977 (OP)
What would /vp/ be like in the Pokémon world? Perhaps it would just be called /p/. I imagine the coomer threads and generals (for both humans and mons) wouldn't be going anywhere, aside from that, maybe it would be a mix of /k/'s innawoods spirit and /an/ autism about certain mons, maybe a bit of /x/ ghost fuckery

>>58000977 (OP)
PRAISE HIM

>>58000977 (OP)
I borrow moisture from the local maractus and roast sandiles for breakfast. I would keep the darumaka alive as heaters for cold desert nights.

Ninjas are cool

Alright, so what do we conclude from >>58000000?

>>58001400
The first thing we should do when getting isekai'd is to try bending a spoon and use Calm Mind instead of wasting time on something as weak as aura.
The digits don't lie. Arceus was giving her next hero a warning.

>>58001123
Honestly, we'd be looking at a total restructuring of the boards. I'm sure /v/ itself would exist in some form, but I expect that the majority of posting would be on the equivalent of /b/, rather than /vp/. There'd probably be a /celb/ for the famous trainer talk, too.

>>58001822
What this anon said. There would likely still be equivalents for a lot of boards, but a lot of boards would become pokemon related because everything is related to pokemon now.

Off the top of my head, you'd have maybe...

/t/ replaces fit for Training pokemon.
A board for pokemon care that isn't battle focused.
A league/competition board thats about discussing actual badge+tournaments
/x/ would still exist for all the legends/psychics/aura/ghosts and shit

>>58001408
>waste turn calm minding while dark type chad uses hone claws
>h-heh it's alright, I'm sure to win because my speed is sup—
>get sucker punched

>>58001848
Good luck, I'm behind 7 Pshychic Terrains

You know why did all SI have knowledge like they have a internet connection to our world in their head? It's one thing to know some thing but all SI is written in a way that they know every trivia. It's just weird.

>>58002014
I just have my characters be into different kinds of trivia, no isekai needed. One chick was a big kanto league fangirl back in the day so she knows a lot of fun facts about gym leaders, another is a neet conspiracy theorist so they know about all the different game plots and legendaries (usually in the wrong context though), another is a conman so he knows all about the different places in the region because he's had to move around a lot. That sorta thing.

But yeah, knowing everything in that way makes it apparent that the author just has bulbapedia open when writing.

>>58002014
>all
Not every SI has a retroactively updating wiki in their head like Vicky or Jordinio does, some give their SI's imperfect memory that conveniently only serves to keep the plot on rails.

This is the biggest demerit with SI compared to isekai OC. The writers want to be successful in the pokemon world so they push that success onto their SI, giving themselves a bunch of advantages they shouldn't have by using """plausible""" deniability as an excuse. Watched the anime as a kid, somehow their SI remembers every episode in chronologic order and knows details that didn't actually exist in the show which lets them perfectly triangulate locations of hidden stuff like Mewtwo's island. Played through the games, their SI has every major character, line of dialogue, team comp, and item location perfectly memorized. Opened bulbapedia a few times, SI memorized every pokemon's learnset, even down to tms and tutor moves. Watched a few pokemon showdown meme videos, now their SI knows every meta smogon set. New gen comes out midstory, their SI just happens to also know everything about it too.

Meanwhile based Isekai OC stories like "Bro, Do You Even Lift" and "Crime Sometimes Pays" give their OCs practically no metaknowledge at all.

If your trainer mumbles shit to make him look smart just to end up using the most basic bitch strategy I will punch your SI in the face, I really hate how "smart" characters are written

>>58002057
Thank you, anon. This is exactly what I want to describe. Do your character need to know everything to make a nice story? That's just wanting to look cool and too much of that is too boring and weird.

>>58002259
Since we're at it and I know we talk about it all the time, would our worlds animal nutrition knowledge be relevant in their world? I doubt even a CS guy would be that smart either when their technology blows pretty much everything we have beyond military and even then GF will never tell us how advanced is the Pokémon world

What if I spam Supersonic so my opponent Pokemon cannot hear his trainer?

>>58002275
Just think about this simple fact: military's budget is the only thing that all nations and in all ages on Earth will never be cut and only increase unless a nation is on the verge of collapse. Pokemons are the main weapon of Pokemon's world and their militaries. An civilian will never be able to match a nation on military improvement for their weapon especially a person that's from a different world. Put all of that together and you will understand that in Pokemon's world, if feeding a Magmar a good food can improve its power a little bit and military's use then they have done it before. Military tech will be releashed on public trade after a few years of their usage.

>>58002155
I don't get the relation of your image to your post. Is that somehow a bad example, or a good example, of a smart character.

>>58002337
Bad example

>>58002340
From Midoriya? Maybe I'm missing context, but he's pretty much just saying 'we don't know how his power works but we do know he is attacking us so lets defend against that while try to learn more'. He is just giving more details for the sake of his teammate's understanding. I don't see the flaw with it.

>>58002313
That's a form of escalation actually because you're probably hurting the other trainer's ears or throat by doing that, which will cause the league to immediately send a hitsquad(don't ask how they know) and also cause all of the other trainer's pokemon to want to kill you(because escalation does that and it's perfectly legal for them to do it in revenge)

I feel like this thread has created reverse-boogeymen

I just read "Feel the Ground Shake" on QQ, what did I think of it?

>>58002349
I still think pokehumans should tank low caliber bullets thanks to their evolution, diet with literal magic berries and infinite energy in the air without powers

You will NEVER Isekai into the world of Pokemon, btw. Every time Arceus picks a random soul to whisk off he makes a copy of their soul and transfers that instead. There could be version of yourself, multiple versions even, running around with a harem and divine cultivation in your favorite region RIGHT NOW, while you stay here, where you will remain until you die and rot on the ground like everybody else that ever walked this earth. You will DIE one day, btw, and so will your parents and everybody you love, and the world will keep on turning and ultimately nobody will give a fuck, except for you. So stop turning to escapism and do something with your life NOW, while you still can. You HAVE been working on your story lately, right?

>>58002936
it's nice but has a slow update schedule and won't get finished because of it

>>58002997
Its fiction, people can already tank low caliber bullets.

>ghost specialist outright skipping most of the last tournament battle to such an extent that I had to scroll back and see if I accidentally skipped a chapter
>the part of the fight shown was a destiny bond copout that has been foreshadowed for ages, on top of a loss that was obvious from the moment the chapter showed most of the fight was skipped, because many writers are allergic to letting their protag have the big win but still stick to following the formulaic cope of "but the guy they lost to won the tournament so it's not too bad"
I guess it's better than the story getting abandoned and the battle with his mom after was cute, but this guy has a real problem with his fics plummeting in quality near the end.

>>58003046
>You HAVE been working on your story lately, right?
After months of not touching it, yes. And holy fuck I'm really regretting making shorthand notes and trusting I would understand them later. What the fuck does "Bid brth blink, Ring sound first" mean? Past me, what the fuck were you cooking? Even with context of the general plot, I still have no clue where to even begin with most of my old notes.

>>58003046
I hope that isekai version of myself is slamming a Dawn anon pregnant until we have a whole soccer team of children.

>>58003046
I'm looking for a job, again.

>>58003120
Yeah, he does. He’s also allergic to his MCs winning anything at first, or winning too often. I’m still mad at the contest loss he had in the previous story.

>>58003046
>You HAVE been working on your story lately, right?
Yeah, I'm currently at the part where the sexbomb musclelady has to find a way to defeat the enemy team's Admin in a battle in less than three minutes, before the poison coursing through her system kills her and the rookie trainer she's protecting is left defenseless.

>>58002936
I was not a fan of the pre-set "potential" stat.

>>58003229
I wouldn't even be against the MCs losing if it's done well, but it's done poorly on top of being overly troupey. The last few chapters literally had a jump cut of
>"haha how good could this guy be? I don't need to prepare much!"
>battle is mostly skipped, only giving a quick rundown on what happened while showing the final matchup
>ends on a double KO with destiny bond, meaning he loses anyway
>fic then goes on to continue the recent trend that a lot of journeyfics are doing with the first major competition being a loss (idk what fic started this, but I feel like the only one that did it well was Traveller)
I was hoping that it might go the other way and that he would get the win, since a decent amount of the fic pointed towards that
>all the destiny bond foreshadowing about how it needs to be used properly because it's a controversial move
>one of the matchups was heavily implied to be one of the fights Ash stayed up late to watch before going on his journey
>ash was clearly pissed at the MC during the celebi arc and thought he was evil
The setup was right there for making him win, too. These last two chapters feel so abrupt that I can't help but wonder if he changed his mind at the last minute, with how shoehorned the destiny bond was.

That said, IMO he should have ignored the conference/badges entirely and stuck to a comfy SoL journeyfic. Despite how plain his MCs can be, he's pretty good at cozy stuff.
As one of the other complaints put it, his MCs are "generic generalist but colored pink/purple/(type color)". The gym battles could be kept in for the sake of testing/certifying him, but after the 8th badge it would have been more satisfying if the conference was completely cut out and he focused on more ghost adventures (assuming he didn't find some way to bungle that, too).

Both of those flaws have become a rather unfortunate pattern rather than just someone new making mistakes.

>>58003152
God speed to your copy. I feel nothing but happiness for my own copy. He's doing me proud somewhere I'm sure.

>>58003046
Yes I have, but I'm facing money problems right now so shit has been slow going. Might lose my apartment, and if I didn't have people to take care of I'd probably burn down a building.

>>58003268
>The gym battles could be kept in for the sake of testing/certifying him, but after the 8th badge it would have been more satisfying if the conference was completely cut out and he focused on more ghost adventures (assuming he didn't find some way to bungle that, too).
I think the story would’ve become pretty meandering if the author did that. Journeyfics need to have some closure somewhere, and he clearly isn’t doing any evil team shit in this one since it takes place pre-Ash.

Also the quality of the story took a nosedive near the end. I think the author acknowledged this but the MC struggling was pretty retarded for a while. At least Traveler had Ash lose to a unique vidya MC, Sam just loses against a fucking rando.

>>58003235
Same. Unless it's a gamerfic or something that really gets into the hows and whys, quantified "potential" is an instant turn off for me.

>>58003120
>>58003229
>>58003268
>>58003288
I was predicting that he would win the conference with a scummy, last-minute destiny bond, too.
It was weird to see him use the move at the very end while on his last Pokémon, it felt out of character for him to go for a spite KO like that instead of using it earlier in the fight to win.
>autist MC who hyperfocuses on planning and preplanning so much that he has a whole miniarc on learning to adapt and make live situational calls
>Destiny Bond is given a setup training arc and barely gets used at all, iirc it was used literally once or twice
>the MC is shown checking the rules multiple times, finds out about how destiny bonds won't count as a win if both trainers are on their last Pokémon
>multiple moments where the MC and the team are hyping themselves up, "we're going to win, no matter what"
>morty explicitly warns the MC to be careful with how he uses Destiny Bond because it's seen as a dirty move, practically a "forbidden technique", and that he shouldn't use it to secure a win
>everything about how original series Ash acted around him when he time travelled

>>58003293
Its like telling the audience you shouldn't give a fuck about the low number failmons because no matter how hard they train they'll never amount to anything.
Even the anime knew better, Pikachu jobbed dozens of times but got stronger and surpassed champions.

>>58003288
There's plenty of stuff he could have done for closure if he focused on adventures and personally ignored the league
>have the league visit still happen, but the league tournament focuses on Redi while the MC works on some secret ghost happening in the background or simply supports his friend by cheering from the stands and analysing the fights
>big spooky ghost happening; one of the easiest outs could be to have him follow Redi to Kanto and then have something happen in Lavender
>operating as an ace trainer specialized in ghost happenings, cut to a flash-forward fo them doing stuff and eventually running into some kid that likes ghosts and setting them along the right path
>going to another region and opening another bookshop for his mom while doing ghostbusting on the side
>going back to the ruins (maybe visiting sinnoh) to follow up on the old evolutions plotline, could potentially lead to the MC encountering Giratina
>figuring out whatever happened with the book to make all the legendary data inside it be censored, likely involving an encounter with one of the legendaries

>>58003295
I'll read the last chapters tomorrow when they're released, but I'm getting the feeling that the Oak meetup is going to be ham-fisted.
Whatever he did to piss off Ash is likely going to be something minor and stupid.

>>58003326
I sure hope the Oak talk is actually fun and interesting because the talk with his gramps was fucking disappointing. I can’t believe he managed to do that with a different isekai approach, but he did

>>58001867
>switcheroo air balloon so you are no longer grounded
Nothing personnel kid...

Gravity training anon, of you're here I kneel...
I got curious and started to look at how it could work in Pokémon and found this, I'm gonna use gravity training now

>>58003555
Look at those future Super Saiyans.

>>58003555
Look at how much work those with inferior bloodblines have to put in just to mimic a fraction of Pidgey-sama's power.

>>58003555
Run. Fast.

>>58003566
>Intense gravity also prevents Pokémon from using the moves Bounce, Fly, Flying Press, High Jump Kick, Jump Kick, Magnet Rise, Sky Drop, Splash and Telekinesis. If a Pokémon is in the semi-invulnerable turn of Fly or Bounce when Gravity is used, that move is canceled immediately. If a Pokémon has no other usable moves besides the moves blocked by Gravity, it will use Struggle.
Fl*ers JOB to gravity btw.

>>58003580
Which is why even Pidgey-sama respects Psychicchads.
Auraplebs though? Not even worth using Gust on, simply flying by is enough to kill them.

>>58003587
>jobs to a pebble

>>58003555
This works btw

>>58003452
Are you ready for the ultimate irony? More families of Psychic type pokemon learn Aura Sphere from leveling up than fighting types.
>psychics are better aura masters than aura users

>>58003629
That just means psychic powers are just aura without monk larp

>>58003641
aurafags are so desperate for any win after last thread, ho-lee.

Who are the most obnoxious, insufferable people to be around in the pokemon universe, psychicfags or dragonfags?

>>58003697
Psychicfags are nerds you can punch, Dragonfags are arrogant that have no eyes and tend to pretend Icechads aren't real

>>58003700
Yeah but half damage from one of your punches might as well be nothing.

>>58003697
Psychicfags probably aren't actually that bad given how they establish schools and shit to help other people learn their art, or use their powers to entertain others. Dragonfags however are always nepobaby clansmen with pride issues.
>"Did I ever tell you about how I worked in the Blackthorn Gym for seven years? I'm the first second generation Blackthorn Gym employee. I've worked with so many Dragon, so many dragons, and they're all from the Blackthorn Gym. And not only do I hate Pryce's gym, I'm actively going to tell people not to go to it."
>Was a janitor, cleaned up dragon shit instead of training dragons, hands out basic advice and encouragement to beginning trainers despite not having a single earned badge to his name

>reading SI cheat power slop
>entertaining enough
>yeah btw I'm GAY and LOVE MEN and want to FUCK OTHER DUDES and will very obtrusively write an entire chapter about it and also I'm a liberal and will tell you via my inappropriate and irrelevant references to real life politics
eugh
though it's not a pokemon story, I just don't have anywhere else to say these things

>>58003697
Ghost type trainers are off-putting as fuck, they're weird. You wouldn't be able to trust them as roommates in fear they'd smother you in your sleep, you'd steer clear of them.

>>58003555
Wow... and Char said that gravity is evil... ha dumbass

>>58003796
Char thinks that Newtypes are Aurafags and are going to create superpowered ubermensch that will inherit the stars. Amuro understood that Newtypes are Psychicchads, and while they may possess innate abilities are no more or less human than anyone else.

>>58003120
which one
the super edgy one that also has dark types or a different one that I'm unaware of

>>58003798
>>58003796
What the fuck are you talking about

>>58003796
>>58003798

>>58003805
A high-concept fanfic I'm working on where humans expanded into space, establishing massive colonies, and the Pokemon there evolved into strange new forms to live alongside them. One of these colonies rebelled, led by an aristocratic eugenics-espousing ruling dynasty, and began a horrifically bloody Pokemon War with the trainers living on Earth, using hyper-advanced mechanized robots based on humans and Pokemon, called Mobile Suits, to battle alongside their companions.

The tide of the war only begins to turn when a young boy named Amuro Ray stumbles across a prototype Mobile Suit created by the Earth forces and the stolen Pokemon it was based on, intended as the first of a new line of weaponry to fight back. They called it: Mobile Suit Genesect.

>>58003828
Genesect looks more like a Guncannon though. Even the shiny shares the same colour scheme.

>>58003796
>>58003798
Sounds like souls bound by Trick Room to me.

How do you treat multi-headed pokemon? Each has their own thoughts? Each head is different? Each one has their own name?

>>58003765
iktf
desu i ignore most female protag fics (especially genderbends) and slash fics because they tend to be slop in that weird cafeteria way.

>>58003800
the fic is literally called the ghost specialist, it's been mentioned a few times here before since it had fairly good writing until it shat the bed near the end so it's mostly gripes now

>>58003765
Isn't that just the most evil trainer?

>>58003937
I heard his next story was like that, but TMET was mostly clean.

>>58003898
The two main variations I've seen are multiple Intelligences in one body or one sentience pararell processing information from several heads at once. The former splits the work of managing information while the latter multi-tasks several lines of thought at once. Quantity vs Quality.

>>58003828
>>58003844
Amuraldo.
>>58004003
Burden of Discovery, literally half way into the first chapter has the two main characters kiss each other in front of the entire village that wants to lynch them for bringing Pokemon into their gates.
On a funny note, the last time this general shat on Evil Trainer, the author was coincidentally the only user viewing the Evil Trainer Spacebattle thread at the exact same time.

>>58003800
There's 3 ghost fics I think.
The Ghost Specialist, Dark Tidings and Ghastly Adventures.

>>58003921
This. Also I thought the time-travel subplot was shit

>>58003898
First anon's response is far better than mine, though one take on this i had a while back, was a
two-headed 'mon of which one head was a highly intelligent over thinker, and the other head's acting on pure primal - base instincts.
Both struggle for supremacy over the shared body.

>>58004140
it could have been somewhat redeemed if ash having a melty about sam was relevant or meaningful foreshadowing, like the other anons mentioned.
but yes, it was shit. that was around when the fic started to go downhill desu

>>58003423
>>58003326
>>58003295
seriously why the fuck would he give so much focus on training/warnings about destiny bond without having him steal the conference finals with it

>>58004158
I expected him to be the finalist and struggle with using destiny bond to secure a Pyrrhic victory. But instead he’s just top 8. There were a few chapters here and there about him wanting to win at all, what a limp-dicked result.

>>58003898
Assuming we are talking about fused entities (Magnezone, Doduo, Dodrio, Exeggutor, Weezing, Wobbuffet, Combee, Cherubi, Vanilluxe, Zweilous, Hydreigon), one might wonder what happens if one head dies. Would the entire entity stop functioning properly / become disabled, like losing a sensory organ? Would the other head(s) take over the entire body's, or are certain body parts linked to certain heads?

>>58004178
Like cutting the head off? I assume things like Exeggutor wouldn’t care because they already do that. Combee, Magnezone, Vanilluxe? That sounds like the entire pokemon would die, removing a head is catastrophic damage there.

>>58004184
>Like cutting the head off?
Yes, something violent like this, or natural causes (illness, natural death).

Yeah, there's a distinction within the fused category. Some pokemon are "detachable" (e.g. Exeggutor's dex entry), others are inseperably connected to the entire organism. Then again you have the "anorganic" / "inanimate" ones like Magnemite or Vanilluxe; are there even internal organs to begin with or is it just like cutting through a chunk of metal / a pile of ice without further harm (assuming the ice / metal isn't enriched with neurons)?

>>58004173
that's the worst part, it felt like he'd resort to it between the destiny bond subplot and how many times it was reiterated that they were going to win it all. it could have been taken in multiple interesting directions too, with sam needing to deal with the fallout of his actions and potentially going in a direction that isn't just "vanilla journeyfic MC"

>>58004178
Look into conjoined twins IRL. When one dies the other follows shortly after due to the shared organs and blood supply. If it was a Doduo the humane thing to do is take it out to the back of the shed, not only is its death assured but its also lost its oldest companion and sibling in a sense.

>>58003918
Feels like every single genderbent fem mc ends in yuri.

>>58004178
Actually had something like this happen in my pokemon hybrid one shot. Main character evolved from a dieno to a zweillos and his id pretty much took over the second head. Had it be a sort of combination of two consciousnesses and a single mind, both heads were their own seperate personalities but their brains still had a loose connection so their thoughts were each a very loud voice in the back of the other's head. Then one of their necks snaps and he can feel one of himselves slowly dying but he isn't sure which one it is. [Spoiler]He ends up immediately evolving into a Hydreigon, which forcibly fuses both brains back together due to their minds syncing up by both refusing to die.[/spoilers]

>>58004423
Not mine, it ends in impregnation.

I haven't written it yet.

Doesn't it make more sense to be mounting a Pokemon at all times in the wilderness? Why do trainers insist on trekking on foot?

>>58004675
nah, bicycles are clearly better and cooler

>>58004695
Bicycles can't sense danger or protect you without you having to draw a pokeball though

>>58004675
because you need a loicense for that

>>58004263
Or go full Dr. Frankenstein and transplant another Doduo head onto it. For science.


>>58004475
No wonder the Deino line is so agressive, their entire evolution is defined by existential dread and suffering.

>>58004720
Or Demikhov, I don't know who's more fitting.

>>58004675
Traditional rite of passage.

>>58004675
You actually need a pokemon you can ride. Not many mons are suited for riding.

>>58004720
Pretty much.
>be born blind
>have no way of finding food other than just biting everything around you until you get something edible
>grow a second head so you're no longer alone
>he is an asshole
>potentially only one of you gets to survive when you evolve
>requires more hardship than any other pokemon to reach your final stage
>can finally see, only to learn that everything hates and fears you

>>58004675
>Why do trainers insist on trekking on foot?
The thrill of adventure?
Tiring your team and making it easier to lose to any criminal?

>>58004905
>Tiring your team and making it easier to lose to any criminal?
Actual reason the MC of my Final Fantasy fic doesn't ride any of his pokemon. He considers himself the mount that all his pokemon ride via pokeballs. He carries them into battle, they carry him through battle.

>>58004675
Have you considered that your Pokemon may not like being used as a vehicle?

>>58001123
There were a couple roleplaying threads about that topic a while back they were pretty fun but got kicked off the board.

>>58001841
Why would /fit/ be replaced? Humans would still care about their own fitness in the Pokémon world. I think they’d keep /fit/ but just add /t/ for Pokemon training.

>>58005081
You want to say that my beloved partner would be against me riding him/her/it?

>>58004905
If you're worried about criminals you can just have a dedicated ride Pokémon and a full team. The 6 limit is only for lawful trainer battles.
>>58005081
We use horses that are fine with being ridden so use Pokémon that like fresh air and exercise over Pokéballs.

>>58001841
A board for every major trainer class as it shows what the people are interested in. Several similar classes can be umbrella'd under a single board like /x/ for example.

>>58005370
Nah, all the fit fags would migrate to the new /f/, Fighting.

>>58004423
Yeah, many such cases.

Btw had recently read mlp fic, where genderbent and speciesbent character didn't had a forced meltdown or even worse - an another troon acceptance speech ans simply processed and adapted to the situation because in the end you are still you and if not then do you even have a rigth to exist if sex in both meanings is all your identity, that was so refreshing and pleasant to read, honestly was so impressed that decided to share this even here.

>>58004675
One day you might be on your own, so you better have a headstart in terms of fitness.

>>58004675
Because the regions are small enough to walk from one end to the other in a single afternoon.

But really, it's unironically this. If the wilderness was actually large then people would be using mounts or bikes/etc, but since they're small even in most fics there's no real pressing need to use them. Better to enjoy the nature walk yourself for a few days than rush to the end.

>>58005402
They'd get banned and/or exiled to a subboard for shitting up discussion of actual Fighting specialists with their humie shit, just like /vp/ was.

>>58004675
>not all Pokemon can be mounted
>maybe mounting pokemon requires a specific saddle which could be prohibitively expensive
>mounts require lots of sustenance to recoup energy, meaning you need to spend more on food
>moving fast might draw unwanted attention
pick one or two

>>58005586
>Fighting specialists would be upset when every fighting specialist ever is a fitness freak that literally works out with their pokemon
Humans working out IS a part of fighting type training.

>>58005601
You will never be a real Fighting type. You have no Fighting energy, no super-dense muscles, and no naturally-forming clothes. You are a homo sapien twisted by drugs into a crude mockery of Machoke's perfection.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.
Pokemon are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed pokemon to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even humans who “lift” look uncanny and unnatural to a pokemon. Your muscle structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a pitying Lucario into gym with you, she’ll turn tail and bolt the second she gets a whiff of your dishonest, steroid-infected muscles.
You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself you're a real Fighter, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy an escape rope, tie a noose, tighten it around your bulging neck, and plunge into the cold abyss. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll bury you with a headstone marked without mentioning Fighting types, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a regular human is buried there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that has no infinity energy in it.

>>58005586
Fighting type experts do train with their Pokémon tho

>>58005625
And Water type experts swim with their Pokemon. But there would be a purge if half the board was filled with human waterpark shit.

>>58005625
>Bea out-stamina’ing Machamp
I dislike Galar.

>>58005614
yeah well guess who was made in God's image and who wasn't

>>58005635
There are no 'human' waterparks in the pokemon world. They would be filled with pokemon.

>>58005677
And their posts would have nothing to do with water pokemon, it would be a bunch of normies blogging about their day at the pool or beach. Were you not around before /vp/ was made? /v/ was flooded with non-vidya pokemon shit. Something as different as human fitness would need its own board separate from Fighting pokemon.

>>58005686
You know what, I'm walking this back. Your water park and water type analogy sucked, I shouldn't have engaged with it. You can't change the fact that working oit with your pokemon is fighting type trainer culture.

>>58005769
I'm not. I'm saying there'd be a dedicated board to quarantine the majority of normalfag humies who have no badges and/or shallow interest in pokemon but still want to be fit, just like how /vp/ got its own board to quarantine the majority of pokemon fans who aren't interested in vidya.

>>58001123
Are Cynthia simps alcoholic welfares parasites or what

>>58005780
This is the pokemon world. Nobody has a shallow interest in pokemon.

>>58005783
Most people aren't centering their life around training pokemon.

>>58004675
Why would you stay on the ground and be subject to topography like a cvck? It makes more sense to be mounting a flying Pokemon at all times bro.

Why would you spend time going from one physical location to the next like a BITCH? Just have a Teleporter mon equipped bro.

>>58005402
>worrying about physical fitness is exclusive to fighting types
yet another reason Fightingplebs KNEEL to everyone else. Nobody else has to put in work to maintain peak form, proof that Arceus' light does not shine upon martialcucks

>>58005800
Wrong. Even the lowliest neet or hobo will likely have a pokemon.

The last ghost specialist chapters are out now. That ending was absolutely rushed and shoved out the door early. Given the lackluster nature of the resolutions, they seem to scream aborted plots and the author losing interest in the story.
>Everything about the league's ending mentioned earlier, with a sudden loss and most of the match being offscreened
>The reason why Ash hates the MC? It's loosely implied to be because he travels with Gary as a deal with Oak or because he worked as a rancher, nothing to do with the league or the abandoned destiny bond subplot that was brought up earlier in the thread. The MC isn't even in the room when Ash gets his Pokémon; their only interactions were minor notes about the MC keeping Ash away from Oak's ranch because he was disturbing Pokémon. Gary also drives off with his cheer squad after getting his starter, so Ash doesn't even know they're traveling together.
>The oak conversation was mid. It wasn't awful, and it had a few good (if short) moments, but it was dry. Oak was the one who removed the Legendary pages from the book, and most of the MC's reaction/reading, besides the initial shock at having pages of legendary Pokémon, was offscreened with no further comment. No real follow-up or major reaction to Oak modifying the book, just shock before the chapter ends, followed by a timeskip to ranch work.
>The dreepy/dragapult subplot about needing a pair instead of just one? Almost immediately solved with Oak's support.
>Baiting lines about how the MC should keep an eye out for the Battle Frontier guy and Team Rocket. MC is also traveling Kanto with the Sableeye from early on in the fic, while his Trevenant is helping out his mom.
It's still a shit ending overall, but it's more obvious that he was trying to rush this shit out to a conclusion instead of just outright shitting the bed like his last fic.

>>58005863
And?

>>58005808
Bitches will see you riding your Rapidash and say "He hasn't earned his Thunder Badge."

>>58005865
Not gonna lie even with the mid reception I dream for somebody to theorycraft and react to my fics like this someday. I'll probably finally give this a read in 6 months or so once I've forgotten any details of why people were mad about the ending.

>>58005873
The single most important thing you'd have to do is have a decent beginning/middle and have a strong, consistent upload schedule
That's one of the main strengths of the popular fics that people shill and shit on. You can shit on a plate, but if you do it every week or multiple times a week on the same days, you will eventually get people to read your garbage.
You can get away with once a month too, if you go for longer chapters, but weekly is a better format because everyone's attention spans are fucked from copious fic consumption. Some anons don't even bother with reading recently updated fics if they can see that the story has 11 chapters over 3 years, because they would rather wait to see if the revived fic can stick to a new schedule or if it will be another couple of years before it's updated, or even finished.

>>58005869
>riding a rapidash
That's a good way to roast your cock off

>>58005873
>>58005895
>hard enough
>borne of caution (pre-patreon grift)
>most evil trainer
>new normal
>trainer vicky
>virtually all of Saphroneth's ashfics
>touch the skies
all of the above have, or at least started with, consistent update schedules despite their flaws.
if you stick to a schedule, your slop will get read. especially if it's garbage.

that is why anons often ritualpost about how you should WRITE.

>>58005910
>that is why anons often ritualpost about how you should WRITE.
Indeed. Do your writing reps!

>>58005895
>>58005910
Consistency is the hardest part for me by far. I was able to get the first 5 chapters out weekly, but after that I've had to slow down to a monthly update schedule, partly from IRL responsibilities and partly from the chapters themselves growing, getting from 5-7k words up toward 10k now. I'm hoping I'm not driving people off with it.

>>58005929
that should be fine, as long as you gave some kind of announcement or notification about it
10k every month is better than nothing, just try to keep the time consistent. like the first friday of every month, barring occasional double uploads or your schedule freeing up and letting you increase your pace.

>>58005932
Communication is something I can improve on too. I tried sharing on Spacebattles but I think I've just lost touch on how to use forums, that skill has atrophied to shit and I'm not really sure where I should be selling myself to grab attention. Is there a way on ff/ao3 to have it properly listed somewhere when updates are scheduled or do I just have to leave something like a note on a chapter?

>>58005941
>Is there a way on ff/ao3 to have it properly listed somewhere when updates are scheduled
Synopsis field or an author's note somewhere in the chapter. Synopsis is best imo since it advertises to readers that you update consistently, which alone is enough to pull in some people.

>>58004675
No riding loicense.

>>58004905
>>58005081
>>58005590
>>58004813
Misty was riding a fucking Starmie

>>58005865
The most disappointing thing is barely any interaction with Ash and Gary. The author was definitely rushing this shit out. Oak convo could’ve been worse. Traveler did it better. Anyway the early and mid parts were far superior and are nice if you want a generic journeyfic.

>>58005929
desu it's less about driving people off and more about picking up new people and keeping them around. You won't drive most people off unless you take an extensive break or vanish without saying anything.
idk about other anons, but I usually keep track of dozens of fics at a time and only really actively read ones that have shown they are actively updated and that they aren't one-off ideaguy scribbles. You know the type, someone puts out 1-5 chapters in a very short succession, and then the story gets abandoned.
>see a nice story, follow it or save it in a tab if it's new
>forget about it until later
>occasionally clean up my tabs/follows if stuff hasn't gotten updated in a long time (i.e. several months for a longer fic, or just a few months if it was an ideaguy scribble)
>if the story is old/long, look at when it was published and some of the update times (if those are available) and decide right then and there if I'm even going to start reading it or if I'll ignore it completely or tab it for later in case it's seemingly close to an ending
that said i'm autistic and this came after I got tired of bingereading long fics only to see the last update being years ago, so not everyone will be as focused on stuff like that
consistency is still strong and will be picked up on by people

>>58005941
what >>58005948 said. A/Ns about schedule changes are best shoved into both the start and the end of a chapter so that they don't get missed. for example
>A/N saying you're changing the schedule
>chapter
>A/N elaborating on the schedule change

>>58005983
Telekinesis

>>58005904
Its old lore from the anime that Ponyta/Rapidash's flames don't burn those that they find worthy to ride them.

>>58005895
>>58005910
>trying to write while life is kicking me in the balls right now
I don't wanna make excuses but fuuuuuuuuck.

>>58005988
I want to see the balls on the guy that would just drop an authors note on schedule change right in the middle of a chapter like:
>And then suddenly, before my Monferno could throw a second punch at the Krokorok, his eyes widen considerably. His pupils sunken and darkened, as if voids just manifested on his face.
>"THE GENERIC POKEMON JOURNEY FIC WILL NOW BE SWITCHING TO A WEEKLY SCHEDULE. CHAPTERS WILL NOW BE POSTED ON SATURDAYS!", he boomed.
>"Monferno, Mach Punch now! While he's distracted!"

>>58005986
>Traveler did it better
In hindsight, that was pretty similar, if only for the premise being that the MC gets tricked into interacting with celebi's shrine and goes back in time
The main difference is that Traveller had several good reasons for doing that, between foreshadowing and making the interactions in the past have a future payoff. Ghost Specialist only did it to shoehorn the celebi movie, on top of not committing to or following up on most of the time travel interactions (Ash hating the MC and Misty silently disapproving of him (iirc Brock had some minor reaction too but it's been a while and I don't feel like checking atm), everything about his Grampa being a Faller/isekai leading to a disappointing conversation that was partially offscreened, only partially sticking to his Misdreavus' subplot).
God I hope we don't get more halfassed celebi plots, people usually don't rip-off traveller because they get filtered by the 60k word chapters

>>58006020
that'd be pretty funny as a 4th wall break if it involved some psychic or ghost shenanigans
or if it was a shitpost fic in general

>>58006020
I have been trying to hard to not fill one of my fics with shitposts like this. Trying to balance comedy and cringe is a dangerous game.

>>58006035
just do it once
team rocket chapter with some psychics and a funny robot device
you know you want to
give in to the cringe
do it
do it
do it

>>58006017
If you're not being paid it's a good excuse. Hard to enjoy a hobby when you're in the dumps, especially since the dumps can seep shit into your writing. Good if you're writing angst, bad otherwise.

>>58006017
make an announcement saying the chapter is delayed bro...

>>58006017
Have you considered comparing yourself to genius writers that have written and persevered in circumstances far worse than yours? Have you agonized over that yet?

>>58006048
It's already a comedy fic with insane shit planned. But I'm still trying to make the story at least somewhat grounded in (pokemon levels) of realism. If the Hatsune Miku vs Smile Dog battle is not so emotionally gripping that you cry I might just have to kermit myself.

>>58006056
>>58006058
>>58006074
>comparing yourself to genius writers that have written and persevered in circumstances far worse
My problem is when I've got that special kind of dumbness that makes it so I don't realize I'm dumb, and so I think I am a genius and all those other guys are just pussies. Ooooh, waaah, Edison robbed me and my pidgeons of millions. Big deal.

>tfw trying to write a psychicfag moveset
>Can't come up with anything
>Remember that some think psychics are supposed to be smart
>Don't know how to write a smart character
No wonder most authors choose aura to just punch harder

>>58006334
Just make them a heavy planner character.

>>58006334
Who says they have to be smart? Psychic is just another power, its users can be as dumb as you want them to be.

>>58004675
Yes. And running around with extra weight would be good training for the pokemon that would help build stamina. As for the people that go on foot, they might not be able to afford the care for a pokemon big enough to ride. I don't see people going on foot willingly as being realistic otherwise. Transportation was so important for us that we rode horses and trained steer to pull wagons then built cars, trains, and planes. Why would they be fine with just walking everywhere and it taking forever when they have many giant creatures they can hop on and ride wherever they want?

>>58006393
>when the humble ride mon drops their cargo to join the fray (they've been gravity training all along and their 4d cargo bags were custom made not to mitigate the weight of items inside)

>>58006458
>they've been gravity training
I can't laugh at this knowing that it is actually possible now

>>58006463
If you're referring to the anime clip posted recently, technically they're were magnetism training instead of gravity training. Barely any different from trying to walk away from someone holding rope that's wrapped around your waist.

>>58006475
It still affects the entire body so isn't it basically the same?

>>58006518
It only directly affected the metal armor they wore. True gravity training would effect the whole body directly and uniformly, even on the inside.

So, shrinking or turning them into data? PLA contradicts the PC that has been a thing since the beginning, even if we take shrinking as canon that means they're still converted into energy

>>58006581
Neither. Shrinking is dumb and has so many flaws to it that have been discussed millions of times. Digitization is also flawed because only specific pokemon are specifically able to transform into data, and if pokemon are so easily digitized then what's stopping you from mass producing them? Digimon and Porygon bothe have some bullshit lore about built-in DRM, but the average pokemon doesn't.
Just label it a special energy state and call it a day. Say PCs are specialized means of transferring and housing those living balls of magic.

>>58006581
matter-energy conversion

>>58006584
>labeling it at all
Dumb move. A question provided and answered is is an opportunity for the reader to disagree. Never answer anything, never let the readers narrow their eyes.

>>58006581
That's not a question most trainers would care about. If it works and is part of their daily life, why should they care about the exact mechanics of it? Think about it like cellphones, or engines in cars. Sure, people have a vague idea that it works one way, but the layman will be more focused on how to use it than how it functions.

Which does lead back to an older idea I had, that I won't be able to do justice to, of a grad student and their woes with how utterly insane Pokemon academia must be.

>>58006607
Man I'm glad that trend of "rational" Pokémon fics died out.

>>58006607
Good advice, especially when it comes to tech stuff and time travel.

>>58006581
I've implied digitized but never outright explained it. Revives in my fic are directly inserted through a port in the Pokeball and heal the Pokemon while inside.

I have some questions regarding how people see these guys because I want to add one or more of them to the gang.
>How come they are weak and unassuming on their own but start warping reality when schooling?
>Do they have thoughts and feelings? Just how sentient are they, can they even bond with trainers? Or are they more like machines than living creatures.
>How difficult would it be to control a swarm of them? Would a Psychic have better odds or would they be driven mad connecting to the cacophony of the swarm.

>>58007121
They are collectively the splintered legendary God of language.

>>58007134
Would be sick if they represent an original language that splintered like with Babel.

>>58007121
They are just little guys. They have their own natures in game, and you can even have Alpha unown in PLA. I see them less like a hive mind and more like bees. They have their own form of communication and expression that is alien to humans. Their reality warping is less because they are special and more because they are so good at syncing their psychic powers together that it reaches reality warping levels. Of course, evidence suggests that Arceus may have created them this way precisely to have an easy to call upon army of reality warpers.

>>58007166
BEHOLD! A MAN.

>>58007121
I wonder if Unowns are limited to letters, or if there are more forms outside the alphabet. Like numbers, or logical connectives? They're already threatening despite being limited to letters now that I think of it, the danger stems from them forming spells, now imagine how much more destructive they could become when having access to more expressions. Kinda funny to write that out, but once they start doing math, they could potentially cause something worse than an end-of-the-world scenario.

>>58007121
What happens if you catch a swarm of Unown and make them spell 'nigger nigger nigger' over and over again?

>>58007273
That's how the dark type was created between gens 1 and 2.

>>58007232
The movie showed that they are not limited to the ones we see in game, theoretically.

>>58007450
Forgot pic

>>58007121
Arceus' 1000 arms

How do I write a story about fighting Necrozma if Necrozma is the super duper arceus killer? Or whatever meme shit readers say about it nowadays?

>>58007546
Isn't Necrozma a literal aayyy lmao that got stuck in the planet like deoxys, fugg and eternatus? Also I guess it depends though in every part of the franchise you need Solgaleo/Lunala to beat it

>>58007546
How many arms of arceus would it take for 1 necrozma of power.

>>58007627
1
arceus has complete control of time and thus cannot be defeated

>>58007663
I've got a rare bone that would disagree

>>58007665
Kyurem, ice this child for me real quick.

>>58007673
Icy dragon hag cloaca

>>58007679
For real though, hit me. Curious to see why you disagree.

>>58007546
The only time I've ever seen it be an arceus killer is during the 'every legendary free for all' where it an Arceus are tied for potential winner. The answer relied on if Necrozma could absorb Arceus's light.

As the author you get to write your own rules on how Necrozma works. Theoretically there could be multiple of them out there, and base form Necrozma isn't that powerful. Why and how do you want to include it in your story?

>>58007582
I would say you just need something that could provide the same function as Sol/Luna if you wanted to play it that route.

>>58007627
Depends on the arm. A Fighting type arm would be cooked, but a Dark type arm would no dif it I think.

>>58007682
"rare bone" was a euphemism for penis referencing the fact that erections are colloquially known as boners
The implication is that Aus likes dick too much to freeze time on everything, thusly creating a window of opportunity when she's vulnerable

>>58007698
very based

>>58007687
>Why and how do you want to include it in your story?
During an excavation in some ruins in Alola, the protagonist has to defend archeologists who accidentally unearth a sleeping Necrozma. Exposure to light wakes it up and it begins rampaging. The problem is that instantly absorbing all light and regurgitating it as energy is dangerous (obviously). I want to make Necrozma a threat, but not something like Yveltal, or Groudon, or Eternatus.

>>58007707
they uncover it in a cave where the only light it's exposed to is the dim low-power lamps and whatnot used by the miners

>>58007713
Can Necrozma absorb light emitted by fire?

>>58007707
I don't think that a little bit of light is going to make it that strong. In OG sun and moon you encounter it in a field, potentially in the middle of the day. Then again I've never played any Alola games so maybe it's different in USUM.

>>58007771
In USUM it pops out of a portal and rapes Nebby. And then it steals Alola’s light I think.

>>58007778
How does it steal the light? If it requires Nebby to steal the light then simply do not put a nebby in the story.

>>58007802
I need to double-check, it’s been years since I’ve played USUM.

>>58007546
>>58007707
There are a number of ways you can go about this. I'm not a huge fan of the "any light can wake it up" premise but that's me, do whatever works for you. Considering these are ruins, perhaps Necrozma was sealed away in these now ruins by ancient Alolans and there are warnings about not doing a particular thing. Then of course, maybe one of the archaeologists is secretly trying to awaken it for whatever reason and sets off the mechanism/thing keeping Necrozma sealed/dormant. It wakes up, but maybe it's de-powered a bit as it hasn't gotten real sunlight in centuries.

I've written a Necrozma fight (more like a raid boss kind of thing but whatever). It was six strong-ish trainers, Solgaleo, and some Tapus duking it out. Status effects can harm Necrozma, making it a race against time rather than trying to beat it by brute force (that depends on how strong your protag is and what your intention is for the fight). This only works if you don't have it using recovery moves (those are OP on lore accurate legendaries though). Whatever its face is (the colored pattern) I made it a sort of weak spot, so attacks against that did more. The protag's Swampert used Mirror Coat against one of Necrozma's major attacks, doing heavy damage to Necrozma. Then the Tapus aligned and the Tapunium-Z the protag was given early on in the story began glowing, and all 4 Tapus joined in doing a combined Z-Move which finally took Necrozma out is the way I had Necrozma defeated, although that story wasn't about how strong my protag was.

>>58007824
Your story is extremely similar to Type Specialist’s encounter with it. It’s actually funny.

>>58007856
Any idea what chapter that is? Never read Type Specialist.

>>58007871
It’s way down the line near the end. Basically Necrozma appears due to Lusamine’s obsession with it and creating a machine to lure it to Alola, and then it engages in a fight against like 5+ people after fusing with Nebby’s sister. The Tapus even come to rip its fusion apart using their Z-moves.

Any new fic worth reading?

>>58007924
Ah. A lot of stories involving Necrozma probably end up going that type of way, like how Sinnoh stories will damn near always end up at Spear Pillar. The legendaries of the regions basically point the narrative that way.

>>58007546
Arguably, Necrozma is a fragment of Arceus and the whole debacle with Ultra Space humanity's greed is the reason why the main/llama-shaped fragment of Arceus doesn't appear to humans without thoroughly vetting them first.

>>58008083
Necrozma is the nigger of legendaries.

>>58008083
I like to headcannon that Arceus, Necrozma, Eternatus, Zygarde, and maaaaybe Rayquaza are each a different hand of the thousand arms of Aus.

>>58008112
Only the legendaries that befriend or test the player are arms of Arceus.

>>58008168
All legendaries befriend the player? My Eternatus has the best friends badge.

>>58007687
>base form Necrozma isn't that powerful
"Base form" Necrozma isn't Necrozma's base form, that's the form it takes after being drained of practically all it's power. The glowing form we see in ultra fagopolis is closer to its true form.
>>58007802
It's OG form is basically an embodiment of light. After getting BETRAYED by fagopolis and losing most of its light its body became a vacuum that's missing the very thing it embodies, and in its desperation its sucking in what it's missing. It doesn't require Nebby to steal light, but it's in such poor shape that it's willing to parasitize to recover, and Solgaleo/Lunala either happened to be very compatible with it or very convenient targets.
This is what canon says about it, anyways.

>>58008083
>le every strong pokemon is actually an arm of arceus and arceus is actually the strongest
Take a bath, stinky llama, I can smell your human cum drenched fur through the monitor.

>>58008210
>"Base form" Necrozma isn't Necrozma's base form
I am aware, thats just being a little pedantic.

>>58008271
>tfw hiring someone to shoot your fully evolved ace with a super aids gun that also devolves them and waiting until they're fully devolved and bedridden so I can say my Bidoof can beat your base form ace
technically not wrong btw. if you argue otherwise you're pedantic.

>>58008192
Lore-wise, not mechanically speaking. Like Fug and Dialga and Palkia all test you and want to work with you and shit like that. Necrozma’s an angry faggot comparatively speaking.

>>58008296
Jokes on you, I don't know what you just said.

>>58008168
Arceus is just a lonely larper. Every pokemon in existence is a sock puppet he uses to experience friendship.

>>58008317
>Enamorous is a hand of Arceus

>>58008331
>only the first 1000 pokemon are real arms of Arceus
>Goldengo is the final hand of Arceus
>the treasures of ruin and paradox pokemon (and dlc mons) are something else

>>58008331
Wrong. Arceus is a figment of Ash's coma dream, same as every other pokemon. Once Ash wakes up he'll have to get a job and cope with his best friend Gary's suicide.

>>58008355
>Gary committing suicide
Holy media literacy, Batman. Obviously Gary is the kid who bullied him into his failed suicide attempt that left him in a coma.

>>58008363
Gary was just being tsundere. He didn't know it would push his best friend(romantic) Ash into hurting himself like that. He didn't know, it's all his fault, he didn't know, it's all his fault-

>>58008337
Arceus is a prancing little homo fag so it makes sense.

>>58008429
Are there any other cases of a pokemon creating a genderbent humansona and letting a human male pound them pregnant?
If not, Arceus is not only the only confirmed homo fag in all of the pokemon franchise, but he's also the first tranny.

Really makes you think.

Someone post the (female) Arceus sexpost. You know the one.

Cynthia is so perfect, SI as her sister when btw.

>>58008793
Pretty sure there is one, but I don't read femmc slop so I don't know what it's called.

>>58008793
Why won't Cynthia and the rest of the league release the Berlitz files? We know there was some really sick shit happening in that private island near Sandgem, but now they're all acting like nothing happened? I'm confused because I greatly look up to Cynthia and know she has a heart of justice and our best interests as a region at heart.

>>58008444
Trips confirm Arceus is a tranny. Anyway there should be a story about an archeologist unearthing Regis.

>>58000977 (OP)
My name is Your Buddy Kieth, and I'm here to fuck spiders.
Chapter 8 of Anchor Stitch is now up:

https://archiveofourown.org/works/56758528/chapters/175077736

>>58008838
Release the files and incriminate herself? Please, we've all seen that little tart she keeps on her arm.
>"Oh, but she won the Championship!"
How fucking gullible can you be? Wake up, sheep. What kind of 10 year old just gets handed their first Pokemon, and less than a year later conquers the Elite Four on their first attempt? Cynthia pulled strings and threw the match so nobody would question why she keeps her little piece of jailbait around.

>Grass and Fighting types feel pain in wind
>Water types feel pain when touching grass or eating fruits and vegetables
>Electric types feel pain when standing on the ground
>Ice types feel pain when standing on metal ground
>Fire types feel pain in water
>Dragon types feel pain when touching themselves
Only one of these things is prevalent in fics despite all of them being just as retarded. Can you guess which one it is?
We live in a society.

>>58009670
>Fire types feel pain in water
That one?

>>58009674
It's not fucking fair bros. When will the other types get what they fucking deserve?

>>58004905
>any criminal
you mean burglars and roughnecks? Tough shit

>>58009670
Yeah it just doesn't make sense unless the water itself is made up of what Pokémon use for their attacks.

>>58009670
Fire-types only get injured by water type energy infusion.

>>58008317
Perhaps Necrozma is a corrupted version of Arceus' hands, just like Master Hand and Crazy Hand?


>>58008344
>An alternative timeline where Ditto became a The-Thing-level threat.
>Everything has been assimilated.
>Except for strong minded beings.
>Thing-Ditto manipulates its prey by making their lives miserable.
>All these little accidents and unlucky moments, all these unbearable people making your life a living hell are all Thing-Ditto's work.
>And once you're done with life and hopeless, it strikes.

Arceus' thousand hands are merely the harem of 500 male human studs he keeps in his harem. Arceus bottoms btw

>>58009108
Based bugfucker

>>58000117
>What's wrong with just working together with your pokemon? Why the need for unnecessary powers when your trusted partners are right beside you?
Your foe might realize that going straight for the king is more effective than fighting the pawns.

I had this idea for a Zombie apocalypse scenario pop into my head. What do you think of it?
>Plot of XY, but Lysandre uses both Xerneas and Yveltal to power the Ultimate Weapon
>His plan succeeds, the Ultimate Weapon fires, causing countless deaths.
>But something goes awfully wrong.
>Those who were presumably killed walk the earth again. But they've changed.
>They're rambling corpses, not alive, but not dead either.
>Devoid of any emotions, desires, personalities, whatever made the former being special.
>What's left is an unnatural urge to devour and destroy.
>Having tampered with life and death, Lysandre gave rise to something abominable, now threatening all life on earth.
>It spreads like a disease, infecting more humans and pokemon on its way.
>Not long, and Kalos falls. Next Palea and Galar, and after that the entire globe.
>There's no protection from it, anything that comes close to those abominations turns sooner or later.
>Not infected, more like corrupted.
>Only a few are immune to it.
>Notably Zygarde, which - for whatever reason - is targeted by the disease.
>Possibly a natural threat to the blight, capable of restoring order.
>Despite this, Zygarde struggles, with the disease becomes stronger with each passing day.
On a meta level, you could interpret it as the zombie sickness being some sort of cancer (explaining their uncontrollable spread, unsatiable hunger and meaningless destruction) and Zygarde representing a healthy organism fighting against it. Also, it's less a pathogen and more the life essence of living beings becoming corrupted, since XY is all about the life energy of pokemon.

>>58010145
>zombie apocalypse but the zombies can fly and teleport and phase through walls
At that point the only option is to pack it up and move to another planet desu

>>58010145
How does it end?
Do we use the SV time machine to assassinate Lysandre?
Make our way to the Sinjoh ruins to get Arceus to reset the world?
Perfect Zygarde cell vaccine? pic not related.

>>58010145
Have you tried turning the ultimate weapon on and off again

>>58010178
Deoxys


>>58010383
Like written, it's currently just an idea.
>time machine
Could be possible, but you could accidentally bring the corruption / disease with you into the past.
>hard-reset
Perhaps, the corruption is basically the concept of death and life being broken.
>Zygarde cell vaccine
You could imagine Zygarde having some neutralizing effect on the disease, halting the corruption of anyone or anything near Zygarde cells / cores / forms. That's why the corruption targets it in the first place.
Yeah, I'm throwing the terms disease / corruption / zombies around. Again, it's only a concept.


>>58011122
kek, imagine the ancientshad the same practical solutions and problems as our civilization like the correct USB-stick orientation

>>58010145
OK Terapagos, I wish for a counter viral infection that specifically destroys zombies and leaves regular people and pokemon unharmed. Also make my penis two inches bigger.

>>58011522
The turtle coughs a colorful mist in your face, causing you to go on a trip. Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of miles away Jirachi, the actual wish-granting pokemon, grants your wishes. By the time your trip ends you realize your wishes have been granted, yet you remain ignorant to who truly granted it.

>>58011122
Bittersweet ending would be Halo-ing the universe with the ultimate weapon so it can't spread throughout the multiverse.

>>58011542
FRAUDrachi is a glorified teleporter that fetches you shit from elsewhere, GODrapagos actually bends reality to make you a time machine and creates fakemons from scratch.

>>58011122
>>58011522
>>58011551
The solution ends up being that Terapagos can create perfect copies of every human and Pokemon who was lost to the outbreak, all of them immune to it and carrying antibodies that immediately disintegrate and disinfect all forms of infected material. But they're not the originals - they're new lifeforms, who will carry on the memories of what was lost, yet without continuity of conscience. And to ensure the virus cannot mutate further, you and all survivors will have to be eradicated too, leaving nothing behind but your wishes for your replacements to live the lives you were robbed of.

>>58011593
Mortals making frivolous wishes get freely implicated for theft as a bonus, they should be grateful Jirachi has livened up their petty lives. As for Fakemons, EXTINCTagos needs to sacrifice his entire species just to pull from other timelines, meanwhile Jirachi casually creates world-ending eldritch horrors by pure accident.

>>58011596
>>58011551
Nonsense, my imperial dragon aura shatters your pathetic schemes severing the fate that binds me and immediately ascending to arc-suit rank

>>58011612
>Seven days of wishes with a ONE THOUSAND YEAR cooldown
>vs infinite turtle gas that powers time machines, an entire region-wide gimmick, creates a new fucking type, etc.

>>58011646
>infinite
Them there's fossil fuel, son. Once the last crystal's all dried up the last turtle will get torn apart and its story will be remembered as a children's fairy tale in the far future.

>>58011656
DUDE LISTEN TO ME BRO IN A GAJILLION YEARS WE'RE GONNA RUN OUT OF FUEL DUDE YOU WON'T BE ALIVE FOR THIS BUT YOU SHOULD BE FREAKING THE FUCK OUT DUDE WHY AREN'T YOU SCREAMING DID YOU KNOW THE SUN IS GOING TO BURN OIT EVENTUALLY

>>58011656
so I get to be a selfish pokeboomer? Sign me up!

>>58011677
This but unironically. Someone will start up a team to use up all the crystals and wish for a bigger crystals on loop until it's as big as a star, that way there's no worry about finite wish fuel.
Wait a second... a wishing crystal as big as a star. And hold up... wishing upon a star. Bros?

Terapagos are just the thousand hands of Jirachi.

>>58011686
Wishing Stars already exist, they're dynamaxshit and also the body of Eternatus who is an ayylmao and thus not connected to the turtle

>>58011746
>called wishing stars
>doesn't have anything to do with wishes
Is this stolen valor?

>Terapagos wank
Anything from Paldea is weak, useless, shit, etc.

>>58011698
More like a finger on the hand that is Jirachi. Think about it, Jirachi is a wishing star. It has the same amount of points as a star six.

>>58008793
>>58009273
STAY MAD

SELF INSERT YOURSELR GETTING MELTED BY DIGESTIVE ACID QUADROON

STAY SEETHING DIDDLER

YOU ADNITTED YOU AND ALL CYNTHIACOONS ARE CONVERTED JEWISH PEDOPHILES

>>58007980
Kind of feel bad no writers shilled themselves. Gonna ask that next thread any writer who’s posted something in the last month be allowed to shill (ONCE you shits).

>>58007980
IF YOU NIGGERS WRITE THE RENTRY STORY WHERE CYNTHIA GETS EATEN AND DIGESTED ALIVE BY ALDITHS SEVIPER IT WOUDN BE KINO DO DO IT SIMPS

STIP JEWING ME OVER

>>58011746
>part of Eternatus’ body
Did they just remix Necrozma?

>>58012033
Would necrozma eat Cynthia and digest her or what

>>58012033
Considering they've been remixing "magic rock gives temporary super powers" for the last 4 gens, almost definitely yes.

>>58012040
yeah but magic rock isn’t part of Zygarde. Though it is somewhat because of Yveltal/Xerneas

>>58012019
I just haven't had the willpower to sit down and write recetnly. I think I'm not getting enough sleep. Didn't want to shill my stuff when I'm struggling incase my adhd has pulled the trigger and my urge to write completely dies. Wouldn't feel right shilling a potentially dead fic.

>>58012328
That’s fine. I’m just sad this is a writethread and the writefags actually writing are too scared to shill their shit (in a classy way).

>>58012344
If we subtract the people who aren't regulars(meaning they only pop into the thread to shill their update and quickly leave), I think we only have a couple actual writefags. Those few can only shill their stuff so much before it gets overbearing.
Most of us are readers or writefags who haven't worked on anything in a long while. I wonder if we have any secondaries who don't even read

>>58012496
I see the concept of where you’re coming from, but writefags that participate in the thread aren’t going to make everything about them in every reply (and if they made a trip it would be implied). I do participate in the thread and don’t mention my retarded project unless I have an update or the post I make specifically makes my project relevant.

There is a fine balance to be struck as far as peeps who shill in the thread and actual posters in here. Now that you mention it is jarring when Randos come in and shill without offering anything else, which is something I pride myself on. I think I’ve only had one post I was shilling and not replying to peeps in the thread, but now that you’ve mentioned it I actually see it a lot more.

>>58008793
>>58008838
YOU SELF INSERT AS A JEW BECAUSE YOU OWN NOTHING IN YOUR FAVELA PABLO

STAY CRYING WHEN ICE DEPORTS YOU BACK TO VENEZUELA COMMIE

>>58011758
All beings instinctively wish to be BIG, it is a biological imperative every creature is born with

Does being granted an Arc Suit make you a religious figure?

>>58013419
Doubt it, Arceus is supposed to be unknown to most of the world

>>58013651
Then why does everyone always say 'oh my arceus' though

>>58013672
>Then why does everyone always say "I'm Gamefreaking out!"
They didn't say that.

>>58012496
I'm a writefag who doesn't read, the only exception being fics of anons here.

>>58012534
I think the issue is that you won't be able to tell a writefag is posting unless they are shilling. I post here all the time, but I haven't actually shilled in a week or two.

>>58013419
I would say yes, but a lot of people have a narrow view of what a religious figure is based on their own culture. The culture of relgion in the pokemon world is going to be very different than ours.

>>58013771
An idea might be for "TRUE THREAD LURKERS" to always be replying to a post in the topic when they do shill something. Would be a dogwhistle for which writefags actually do lurk and contribute to the thread's discussion and which ones are just here to farm clicks for their eventual Patreon campaign. Or maybe just spoiler the shill/link.

>>58013779
Imagine the religions and cults that would emerge in a world of magic animals. Imagine the psychic and ghost type mind rape, the esoteric concoctions of hallucigens and poisons to induce euphoria, the communal orgies.

>>58013792
I already do this by replying to comments that in some way relate to my fics but only naming and linking the fic when somebody asks. Mostly just cause I like to talk about my fics, feels kinda scummy sometimes because I feel like I'm tricking people into a trap.

>>58013805
Mainly, unlike the real world, most mythologies are going to be either based one real things. Divine right of kings irl is full on 'trust me bro', but in pokemon you have literal kingly pokemon of legends that will show up and say 'yeah this guy has got the right stuff'. You can't argue with the guy who Zacian is willing to Behemoth Blade your ass for.

>>58013672
You mean in fanfics? It’s because authors are retarded

>>58013816
>You can't argue with the guy who Zacian is willing to Behemoth Blade your ass for.
Yes I can. Look, see? The ancient king of Galar had a sword and shield, not one dog.
The fun thing about mythologies is they can get warped and lost over time.

>>58013832
I meant in a 'your arguement crumples in the face of overwhelming power'

>>58013847
Well, the false hegemonies might have a bad time when the local legends wake up to deal with the millennial threat. Too bad that only happens once every several thousand years or so.

>>58013816
>letting a p*kemon decide your head of government
Weak, pathetic.
>having a king so fucking evil he spawns 4 different legendaries
Powerful, larger than life

>>58013806
Not scummy at all to me. At least you're helping bolster discussion in the thread. And you are shilling in a tasteful manner.

>>58013855
>every thousand years or so

In the span of a decade or two we've had...

-Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza arising
-Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina being summoned
-The Tao trio turning Unova upside down
-The Ultimate Weapon fiasco
-Ultra Wormholes + Tapus
-The Second Darkest Day

Paldea has been the first real low key threat since generation 2. Might be that Pokemon is so utopian because the gods are relatively easy to awaken and 'set things straight' so to speak. It doesn't even seem like modern day has just been a statistical anomaly for big events happening (other than maybe technology making intervention necessary more often) because we know Arceus himself stepped in to pick somebody to fix PLA a scant century or two ago.

>>58013862
Pokemon already decide heads of government. We call them Pokemon Champions. They are just very hands off rulers because society is really good at taking care of itself these days.

>>58013893
>all different regions
>most of them not related to human bloodlines or leadership qualifications
At best, Unova or Galar gets a new king because they're the only regions where that's a historical thing. At worst, either nothing happens because the legendaries and their humans don't care, or a grand battle royale breaks out between all the people who bonded with their region's millennial legendaries over who gets to be the god emperor of pokea.

>>58013898
What is her tax policy?

>>58013898
And who forged and wielded those pokemon?
It is not the tool that makes the man, but the man that makes the tool. If pokemon decided all, then Arceus would not have summoned a human to save himself from his own children.

>>58013913
>based on New York
high taxes

>>58013806
This is what I do, and I have the same anxiety about it.

>>58013902
>implying the legendaries don't fuck off after their job is done
They're already immortal, if they cared to watch over humanity they would've stuck around. The only one we know who did was the original dragon, and it ended up regretting that decision and fucking off like every other legend.

>>58013913
probably just lets crime run rampant and takes kickbacks to her kalos home

>>58013902
You're thinking in too limited terms of what authority means. Literally every one of those events is related in some way to human authority.

-Groudon + Kyogre has Archie and Maxie attempting to shape the world in their image.
-Same with Cyrus
-Unova has the most traditional example with N claiming the title of king
-Lysandre is another example of shaping the world with also being the most directly obvious ruler. He's the head of Flare, and only Flare will be left alive.
-Tapus literally shut down any human activity they do not like. The most direct example of pokemon being rulers and actually deciding policy (besides maybe Calyrex)
-Rose is already pretty much the ruler of Galar, and ironically his own stupidity in summoning Eternatus is the only reason he is ousted

>>58013913
The pokemon world probably does taxes differently than ours. Taxes would have less of a cultural impact in a post scarcity society. How do they do taxes in Star Trek.

>>58013914
A hammer cannot decide to fuck off if you're being a dickhead. Pokemon have their own agency, ignoring that in the training process is why Silver and Paul never get as far as Blue or Nemona.

>>58013862
>letting a p*kemon decide your head of government
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stubbs_(cat)

>Might be that Pokemon is so utopian because the gods are relatively easy to awaken and 'set things straight' so to speak.
>>58013898
>because society is really good at taking care of itself these days.
Only in some best-case-scenario timelines. USUM exists.


>>58013913
You pay her in candy or the candyman will pay you a visit.

>>58012328
Same. It's such bullshit, I'm just so damn tired all the time. I find myself having difficulty focusing on things or deciding things, like shall I work on my fic? Maybe read this fic from that one anon that I promised to read? Perhaps I should read this novel/non-fiction source that gives me inspiration for my fic? Or shall I do nothing and regain some energy and in the end do nothing at all.
Godforsaken nonsense I tell you.

>>58013943
Most of those pokemon don't care to crown kings and are dormant for thousands of years at a time.
Relying on legendaries who aren't going to be present for long just isn't a reliable basis for government. What worth is it to have an ancestor who was once buddies with Arceus himself when history has forgotten that tidbit and now there's an autist trying to destroy the world with the red chain? What does it matter if in 3000 years new humans worthy of Zacian and Zamezanta will appear when you'll be long dead by then and your descendants will have enjoyed 3000 years of royal living?

>>58013959
Any proof of this? Pokemon may have their own agency but they're also extremely loyal.
>Silver and Paul never get as far as Blue or Nemona
The only thing that stopped Silver and Paul was someone with protagonist power. If you look at it from another angle, they were able to find much more success than other people through their methods.

>>58013967
Haven't actually played any Alola games so I don't know how non-utopian they might be. I know the ultraspace worlds can be fucked, Aether is up to some bullshit, and Team Skull is the direct result of the culture (though I'd say every evil team is).

Actually, makes me want to examine the evil teams and what about the region may have have influenced their creation.

-Kanto is very big on the study of pokemon and technological advances = Team Rocket being very focused on how pokemon and technology can be used
-Johto has no evil team, maybe due to being mostly smaller communities instead of one big culture.
-Hoenn is very big on living in harmony with pokemon in nature = Aqua and Magma are extreme ideologies about how best to serve pokemon in nature (or how humanities relation to nature should be in oras)
-Sinnoh... I actually have a hard time pinpointing Sinnoh's culture. Its less distinct than the previous regions, but has a mix of Kanto's advancement, Johto's tradition, and Hoenn's nature. Though this lack of cohesive culture makes sense with each Galactic admin believing a different lie by Cyrus about what the ultimate goal is.
-Unova is all about being a cultural mixing pot. I haven't actually played them so it's hard to actually comment. Ghestis is the first villain that was not ideology based since Giovanni, he simply manipulates truth and ideals for selfish reasons. Even Cyrus thought the world would be better in his own twisted view. Could be that Unova's mixing of cultures fosters a lot of ambition due to competition, and this culminates in Ghestis having the ambition to rule.

>>58013893
I could see the rise of non-pokemon or poke-man fusion mythical gods arising precisely because the separation between man/pokemon and the divine is so thin.
To the ignorant, there is little difference between a Legendary and an Alpha pokemon fucking you and everything you've known and loved up. They do it for reasons that are difficult to understand.
And once you begin this misunderstanding, they begin to conflate and then divine shaped vacuum is formed because you put down the legendary on the same level as only a particularly strong Pokemon. Which is where an imaginary god is created to explain why such and such is the way it is. Part pokemon to represent might, part man to be understandable.

This is all a western theological way of thinking since we ascribe multiple or all powers to a god or few gods meanwhile the japs had the everything is a god, we have 9001 thousand million gods. With that many, it starts to lose its meaning. Meanwhile you have Zeus who is, as one god, the
Lord of sky and lightning
Helper of travelers
King of gods
Keeper of Oaths
Patron of hospitality
Omnipresent
Et cetera et cetera

>>58014051
A couple relevant details you might find interesting.
>Kanto
Porygon was originally developed for space travel, yet it's stated space travel never ended up happening for them. Given Team Rocket's name and their involvement in peddling Porygon via the Game Corner, perhaps there's some connection between Team Rocket and a failed Kanto space program.
>Hoenn
Maxie and Archie both worked at Greater Mauville Holdings, the now-defunct company responsible for that dystopian ocean platform and the survival bunker. The company was cancelled due to nature and humanity concerns.

>>58014051
-Kalos is all about beauty, and Flare is literally just a beauty fanatic unable to handle the world not being beautiful in the way he wanted. The most unnuanced culture creates the villain of any region.
-Alola under the Tapus has the most strictly regulated culture, and that has led to creating an entire lower class of 'losers'. Skull is literally the 'untouchables' of Alolan society rebelling against the culture in a direct way. Aether foundation... Hard to say, never played Alola and Aether foundation seems less to have anything to do with Alola and just happened to be there.
-Galar is the most all in on the sport of bigger and better pokemon battles, to the point where places that aren't providing big pokemon battles massively suffer. Yell is the inverse of Skull. Instead of the outcasts banding together to make their own community, its a communtiy that has been outcast and strikes back at the rest of the region to try and solve their problems. Meanwhile Macro Cosmos is an example of how the need to always push for bigger and better needlessly can cause collapse without proper foundation.
-Paldea is about... Going to school to find a career... And Star are... okay, Paldea does not fit into this very well. I would need to write an essay exploring this more.

>>58013973
I fought with this feeling for a while. What helped me was trying to set a schedule. So like, I know I have three hours after work on Monday and that I'll be tired, so I'll take the first hour to read, then the second to work on a story and the third to practice guitar. If something happens to disrupt that then I'll handle that and get back to the plan once I can. No promises, but planning my free time in advance helped me out a lot.

>>58014088
I'll try that, thank you, and I'll actually try upholding such a schedule for longer than a week.

>>58014035
Silver would never be champion because he didn't really want to be champion. He was just lashing out at the world and thought that power was what he needed because that is likely what he learned from his father. You beating his ass with the power of friendship helps show him that using his pokemon as tools for power will never fulfill him like he thinks it will.

Paul is the same way, but he is arguably more successful because he doesn't have to lose every fight by being a mandatory videogame boss. But he still arguably is his own undoing as if he had never abandoned chimchar then he never would have put it into Ash's hands.

>>58014115
Gamefreak and the anime team might have been trying to push the message that friendship is the superior way, but that message falls short when they make the two anti-friendship rivals so much stronger than everyone other than the protagonists. Like you said, Silver never cared for the championship and was just lashing out. But Paul was gunning for the win and he was crushing it until Arceus lined up a boy with the thickest plot armor known to man and a random guy with several legendaries to catch him in case he somehow beat Ash.

>>58014088
>taking the wagie mindset outside of the job

>>58013998
Again, you're thinking is too limited in defining kings and authority. The title is simply a tool for communicating to people that you have the power to turn your will into authority. If you have power to exert authority then it doesn't matter what you are called. Titles are an extension of authority, and authority is an extension of power. That power always comes from pokemon.

The failure of most villains is ultimately that they fail to be worthy in some way or another. Maxie and Archie fail to be able to control Groudon and Kyogre because their absolutism blinds them to their own mistakes. Cyrus in platinum is actively stopped by Giratina. Ghestis could not control the dragons himself in BW and is undone by his attempts to manipulate a proxy, and in BW2 they return to stop him. Lysandre is the closest to power without being worthy by pokemon because the Ultimate Weapon fills the niche of that power.

Alola's conflict is not centered around control of power (on a macro level at least), nor is Galar's or Paldea's. Though Galar and the Crown Tundra explore the concept of rulers in other ways.

>>58014148
You can manipulate anything to sound bad. Watch.
>refusing to solve problems because struggling implies weakness

Stop being a bitch by being a dick for fun.

>>58014175
That's cool and all but uhhh
I cast cube. Legendaries are weak and ephemeral, cubes are strong and eternal.
>nooooo my right to rule is granted by pokemon you can't do this!!!
cube.
>j-just wait until another 1000 years pass and rayquaza comes again!
cube.

>>58014115
In a way, Paul was utilizing friendship even if he never saw it that way until his defeat since none of his Pokemon were ever shown to dislike his training methods and even flourished under them.
He also got his ass beat by Brandon.

I'm proud of you guys, almost no talk about aura or any other power just ideas and worldbuilding.

Paldea is still worthless tho and anyone who thinks otherwise deserves a steel-type bullet to the head btw

>>58014191
Pic related. The so-called legendary "authority" being humiliated by the power of man-made cube.
>b-but
Don't make me get the tiny net out.

>>58014199
To be fair the anime world has even more crazy tech than the games or manga world, can't defend the net stuff tho

>>58014197
Instructions unclear, made it the childhood home of my MC and inextricably tied his backstory to Juliana and Nemona.

>>58014199
Rayquaza power level is variable and scales with how big a threat the opposition is obviously.
Just like how Saber can job to wobbly fists but when civilization wiping ayy lmao show up, suddenly Excalibur can bust continents.

>>58014213
Does he sex Juliana while they are sitting in the back of the class?

>>58014134
Don't forget him getting beat by Branden.
Which is funny, because he also has several legendaries. Buuuut...
>several legendaries
This is literally a discussion about how legendaries often stop bad human ambitions, so Paul is actually a HILARIOUS example against your own point. Paul and his toxic ambition would never have been champion because some guys with good relationships to legendaries stand in his way.

Now I have a head canon of Arceus sending Tobias specifically to stop Paul, but Arceus never expected the loser from Kanto to beat him. So Ash ends up slapped down.

Arceus: Hey Lugia, you know anything about this kid from Pallet Town? He showed up in Sinnoh with like not much more than a Pikachu and he is really setting off my predictions for how reality is supposed to play out?
Lugia: Did you say a Pikachu? Boss, you aren't going to believe this...

>>58014199
Can't argue with cube. My point is that the power of pokemon is what makes leaders in pokemon, and there is no power stronger than cube.

>>58014220
She becomes his legal guardian for a while and becomes a surrogate older sister to him, and Nemona was his Battle Studies instructor at Naranja.

>>58014245
I know what fic this is.

Pokenormal

Hah, just kidding. That's my fic, I'm just shilling. This guy's is In Mine Own.

>>58014228
>This is literally a discussion about how legendaries often stop bad human ambitions, so Paul is actually a HILARIOUS example against your own point.
>Paul and his toxic ambition
Toxic ambition? Jesus christ anon, you have some serious case of Paul-antiism.
I might have called him anti-friendship but that was only to emphasize the fact that pokemon are willing to put up with hardasses. You're treating Paul like a fucking anti-christ when at worst he was a hardass coach. I could have just as easily cited Giovanni, Ghetsis, or any other villain who genuinely treats pokemon like dirt. And the reason I brought up the fact of legendaries was to further emphasize the fact that pokemon can be treated like dirt and still be molded into loyal tools that are nigh-unstoppable.

And to provide a HILARIOUS example against your own point, I guess Tobias was lined up to stop the evil Ash from succeeding in his own toxic ambitions. And remember Rainbow Rocket? The villains from the other dimensions succeeded, meaning no legendaries intervened to save their worlds. I guess they were lined up to stop the multiverse league from surviving with their toxic ambitions. Dumb idiot moron stupid baka.

>>58014277
>Toxic ambition? Jesus christ anon, you have some serious case of Paul-antiism.
You're exaggerating a lot to pivot the conversation away from Paul. He was a dick, and his ambition was nothing more than an outlet for his own insecurities. We were having an enjoyable discussion here, you don't need to turn it into an arguement.

>>58014277
Ash isn't evil? Green Peace told me he is tho...

Power of Friendship is a blessing conferred only to the chosen. If you're not a chosen then the only way to get ahead in life is to cultivate the demonic path.
Pokemon being rebellious? Discipline them.
Lone trainer spotted on the road? Rob them.
Legendary located? Begin construction of zappy nets.
One of your pokemon is too weak or unwilling to keep training? Sell or abandon them.
Trainer gets in your face about your demonic practices? Challenge them to a duel and defeat them so decisively their aura heart succumbs to heart demons.
The heavens send chosen to stop you? Good. Kill them and steal their fortune until there are no pigs left to slaughter.
You're not Ash. You're not Red. You're not even Wally. You're a nobody, lower than dirt. And when you're lower than dirt, the only way out is to dig with bloodied nails and gritted teeth.

>>58014316
who cares? I'm abusing the item finder to get big nuggets and get rich

>>58014051
USUM has Team Rainbow Rocket which features all the previous team leaders from different timelines. It's implied that they've achieved their plans.
>Team Rocket flourishes to the point of expanding to the multiverse.
>Archie flooded the world and would have died if not saved by Team RR.
>Maxie turned the world into a giant microwave and nearly died as well, but was saved by Team RR.
>Cyrus summoned Palkia and / or Dialga, but was stopped by Giratina. It's a bit hazy if he succeeded, though he mentiones returning to the perfect world he created.
>Ghetsis doesn't state if he succeeded. He just mentions how we wants to manipulate people, what he presumably did in his home dimension.
>Lysandre triggered the Ultimate Weapon, was blinded by a bright light, then taken by Team RR.
Archie and Lysandre also state that there were no trainers capable of stopping them, Giovanni mentions how Elio / Selene reminds him of his battle with Red. Meaning all the protagonists from those timelines failed (or didn't exist, depending on how you interpret their dialogue).


>>58014192
Idk why this came to my mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ull2JDrxIHg


>>58014199
Cube and ball, man-made horrors beyond pokemon comprehension.

>>58014368
I sensibly chuckled.

>>58014291
>He was a dick
Mostly to people who disrespect or went against his ideals. To other people he was curt or respectful. If Ash wasn't a dick to Paul then Paul might have been less of a dick to Ash.
>and his ambition was nothing more than an outlet for his own insecurities.
Many ambitions stem from insecurity. Ash was bullied, now he wants to be a pokemon master. Brock's parents split apart and abandoned their gym and children, now he wants to marry a good woman and be a professional pokemon caretaker. Paul watched his brother give up and waste his talent after losing, now he wants to reach as far as he can no matter the hardship and bring out the full potential of talented pokemon on the way.
Each are respectable and firm ambitions regardless of their origin.

>>58014310
Ash isn't evil but he was BETRAYED so every evil thing he does is justified.

>>58014390
>Ash was bullied, now he wants to be a pokemon master.
Yeeeeeah, you're pretty much reaching to make your points here. Ash wanted to be a pokemon master before he met Gary. He wants to do it because that's what he wants, not because of a need to prove himself. Brock became a gym leader to take care of his family, he pursues his dreams (different than ambitions) when he gains freedom.

Paul is the only one of your examples where it's explicit that his goal is directly related to a misguided attempt to set right what he thinks is wrong. Becoming champion is itself not his goal, but a step on the path to his goal. His goal is to fix his brother issues. His ambition is just an unhealthy way to deal with his problems and this is reflected in his attitude.

>>58014454
>good guys have ambitions, bad guys have insecurities
If that's how you want to interpret it. Anything to continue spinning your anti-Paul narrative.
Paul's pokemon loved him btw and Chimchar was upset at himself not Paul.

>>58014465
I'm really disappointed that you derailed the discussion into a forced attempt to paint me as hating Paul. Oh well, that's 4chan.

>>58014551
Weren't you the guy saying Legendaries went after Paul because of his toxicity? Yeesh. Paul antis are riled up tonight. I guess the reminder that his pokemon loved him and that his methods worked set them off again.

I think Paul is cute

>>58014573
Shut the fuck up Dawnsert, you exist for Kenny.

I think we need more war AUs

>escalates
>gets away with it
Reminder that pokemon can freely kill humans and the League won't do shit about it, much like how the Shogun won't do shit about Samurai testing their blades on peasantry.

>>58014855
>implying
Even Ash knows you need to assert dominance btw

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>>58014876
Somebody needs to sick a legendary on this toxic pokemon abuser