Only things I liked were his music and his design. Also Zekrom fits him better than Reshiram.

>>58008853 (OP)
I really liked him at one point as a teenager but once I learned that "Gropius" was part of his full name it immediately killed and all attraction I ever once had for him and I've never been able to go back. Least sexy name imaginable

>>58008853 (OP)
(note: Zekrom does not fit him better than Reagiram)

>>58008864
autism

>>58008865
This.
N rejects the truth in order to see his ideal world.

>>58008867
IDK if it's autism but names are important dude and Gropius just instantly dried my pussy up

>>58008853 (OP)
>Zekrom
Imagine being this wrong

>>58008864
>as a teenager

>>58008881
I'm saying I liked N when I was a teenager, not that I'm one any more. This was back when BW were semi-new if that puts things into perspective

Unless you mean I'm too old to be on /vp/ now in which case yeah, maybe

>>58008876
You're saying N was right?

>>58008889
It's not so black and white, anon

>>58008873
no you retarded faggot
he rejects the ideal of pokémon and people living together based on the hard truth that there are people who don't respect pokémon

>>58008897
the game is black and white

>>58008904
I'll black your white

>>58008900
N’s whole argument is based on the lies Ghetsis told him his whole life. His reality is so distorted from the truth that the moment he sees a trainer treat his mons well (the player) it mindbreaks him

>>58008889
He is closer to being right than the player is

>>58008864
It makes me imagine him groping a Tropius

>>58008853 (OP)
Bullshit aside, I liked how his character developed. He was taught wrong on purpose and when he got a chance to grow and be better he took it. Plus this speech to the ending theme was fucking hype

>>58008853 (OP)
Well to start, N is the main rival character with a tragic backstory that's being manipulated by the main villain. He also has a design that looks cooler than your MCs', has the main region's shillmon (Zoroark) as his "ace" pokemon and he drives the plot. I see him get compared to Nagito from Danganronpa pretty often in the past, another character that girls were obsessed with. While I don't know that character and their similarities, I can assume he's another mysterious, anti-hero, pretty boy character that's important to the plot.
Overall, what makes N popular is that his character breaks the mold of rival(and even villain) characters, so much so that many people didn't consider him to be one until MasterEX.
N is the proxy leader of a team organization and is pretty antagonistic, but he never disrespects you or hates you for getting in the way. In fact, he shows admiration for you, considering you to be his true equal and someone who understands pokemon like he does. He's also honorable, letting you obtain the legendary after he did to fight him on equal footing, even healing you before the encounter. He's also the second rival to reach champion status, behind Blue. Despite this, he doesn't do it for the same reasons you or most trainers do, and him becoming the champion poses a threat to the unity of people and pokemon in Unova. And as a rival, he doesn't stick to the same team throughout the game, only using pokemon that can be found in the nearby area until the final encounter. He's also the first rival to own one of the main legendary of the region. All of that, combined with his backstory and his interactions with you in the story simply won many people over him during their playthroughs.
Tldr: N is just unique, important and sympathetic enough along with a good design to be popular.

>>58008922
If he was so right then he wouldn’t have lost, looks like my bond with my Pokemon was just stronger than his. Sucks to sucks

>>58009000
Might doesn't make right, anon. You sound like a Chaoscel

>>58009017
>Might doesn't make right

>>58009033
Get outta here, you bug

Haha N your dad had sex with a Zororark

>>58008929
>My dream is to find Pokemon from previous generations before 5!
>Holy fuck it came true!

>>58009017
I’m just meeting N at his level, if N didn’t on some level believe that might makes right he wouldn’t being gunning for the championship or have his men confiscate Pokémon from their trainers.

>>58008885
>when I was a teenager

>>58009066
He was hoping to sway the hearts of the people because he had a dragon of legends, right?

>>58008929
>Plus this speech to the ending theme was fucking hype
>>>generic "make your dreams come true"

>>58008864
>unsexy
>literally has grope in his name

>>58008865
Zekrom fits better because of both aesthetics and meaning.

>>58008876
Ehh he still looks cooler with Zekrom.

>>58008913
Is that why I'm 30% black but have the whitest complexion possible?

>>58008897
Actually N is wrong. And the game treats it as pretty black and white. Pokemon and People get along and improve each other. N's whole philosophy is based off of being raised by a serial pokemon abuser who likely murdered his original parents.

>>58009069
Really don't know why you keep focusing on this. Like seriously if you don't get it:

>when I was a teenager
Meaning: I am no longer a teenager. The stuff i in my posts was in the past. Yes I am probably too old to be on /vp/

otherwise IDK what you want from me man

>>58008995
His backstory is shit. His dialogue is shit. His musical themes are shit. The only reason girls and faggots like him is because he is a pretty boy.

>>58008853 (OP)
>Constantly spouts off austically random pseudobabble each time you meet
>Is basically a white edgy Dr Dolittle
>Backstory tries to be deep with all the endgame exposition but is basically just "raised incorrectly by guy who wants to take over world"
>Goes on an edgy "OOOOO im stronger than the Elite 4 and now i just beat the champion right in front if you which means im the strongest bad guy in the franchise" then after all that, realizes he's retarded, personality does a complete 180 then he fuvks iff with his fursuit/scubasuit dragon
Absolute wet fart of a character, despised this absolute faggot throughout the game and still do

>>58008876
N's dragon becomes the one fused with kyurem in the sequel, and black kyurem is way more of a monstrous abomination than white kyurem is

>>58008853 (OP)
Women like to ship him with Hilbert, that's literally all there is to it.

>>58009226
>le thing is shit
compelling conversation

>>58009226
He has the best Rival/Antagonist battle theme in the whole series, from both a composition perspective and a symbolic perspective.

>>58009267
>No, you have to be pretentious about it!
It's shit because it's shit. Simple as.

>>58009268
>composition perspective and a symbolic perspective
Completely worthless if the end result is shit.
>the best Rival/Antagonist battle theme in the whole series
Only if you are a pretentious idiot.

>>58009289
I think saying something is shit without reason is more pretentious. Not even against the idea of you not liking something, but responding to someone's else post with the most barebones template opinion is lame.

>>58009289
>It's shit because it's shit. Simple as.
What about it gives you the impression that it is shit.
>Completely worthless if the end result is shit.
Luckily it isn't shit. It fits perfectly and I doubt anyone could've made a better soundtrack.
>Only if you are a pretentious idiot.
Well I'm sorry for forming my own opinions after hours of listening to the music from this series and arriving to this conclusion.

>>58009305
>saying something is shit without reason is more pretentious
You are definitely an idiot.
>template opinion
A complete idiot, even.
>>58009319
>after hours of listening
Work smarter, not harder. Idiot.

>What about it gives you the impression that it is shit.
What >>58009238 said. If you disagree, you are ignorant and/or stupid. No ifs or buts about it.

>>58009333
>Work smarter, not harder. Idiot.
That's what I've been doing. Evidently you haven't been.
>What >>58009238 # said. If you disagree, you are ignorant and/or stupid. No ifs or buts about it.
Someone can't read. I specifically said "what is shit about the music" or at least that's what I intended and attempted to make apparant based on context. But just to answer the question, I see no problem with that stuff, it's perfectly fine.

>>58008995
>While I don't know that character and their similarities, I can assume he's another mysterious, anti-hero, pretty boy character that's important to the plot.
Pretty much, though there are notable differences between the two that set them apart. Take for example,
>N is just unique, important and sympathetic enough
Nagito's not as sympathetic. His actions throughout Danganronpa 2 makes him a character you'd either love, hate, or love to hate with no middle ground. I don't think the fan reactions to N are as extreme.

First time I saw him I immediately disregarded him as a fag

>>58008995
>>58009520
Don't forget (N)agisa

I have no attachement to N since I played BW years after launch but it was very enjoyable and I liked N’s speech at the end of the game. However BW nuzlocke comics make such a big deal about this character and his conflict that he just became incredibly annoying to see. I roll my eyes every time.

>>58008853 (OP)
He's tall and women love tall guys

>>58008853 (OP)
He has an emotional backstory, which you personally have an impact on. That makes people feel attached to him.
Plus, he has an appealing design.

It's no rocket science.

He was Komaeda for prepubescents until Volo showed up

>>58009219
if you were a teenager when B&W released then you're a little baby who is too young to be here

>>58010086
Nigga BW released in 2011. Even if anon was only 13, they'd be 23 now. Be glad anon isn't underage, there's tons of literal children on /vp/

>>58010091
I cant fucking type
*they'd be 27 now

>>58009360
>apparant based on context
Damage control.
>Someone can't read.
Yeah, you. It was your mistake, pretending otherwise doesn't change that fact.

Also, trying to speak elegantly doesn't magically make you more intelligent. It just makes you pretentious, retard.

>>58008853 (OP)
He's the most unique antagonist Pokemon ever came up with. Can't find the source right now, but IIRC Masuda said something to the effect that they were tired of making bad guys that hate and abuse Pokemon, so for BW they made N an antivillain who loves Pokemon instead.

>>58010523
>pic
Ken Sugimori peaked here.

>>58008853 (OP)
Only women like him the same reason nip woman like raihan and subway bosses

He is like a Tarzan character who empathizes with Pokemon and nature. He's the enemy, and he's kind of a pretentious teenager, but his heart is in a good place.

>>58008853 (OP)
Literally the first decently written character in the whole mainline series up to that point. That leaves an impression.

>>58008853 (OP)
I dont get why gen Z pokemon fans are into him nowadays given he hasnt been in a main game since 2012, but you just had to be there back then. His appearance in the main anime was huge news.

>>58010840
>His appearance in the main anime was huge news.
What does this even fucking mean? He the complete opposite of a surprise character, why would it be news to find him there?

>>58008853 (OP)
Because he's hot. Do you also wonder why every random pokegirl is popular?

>>58010850
This. N is popular for the same "reasons" Sonia was. All these claims about him being a good character are just attempts at trying to justify being obsessed with him for something other than his looks.

>>58010849
because the black and white anime got fucked up due to the tsunami etc. and it was nearing its end. People weren't expecting to see Team Plasma in it, let alone N (they did a weird thing where they used bw1 N's personality, but used the BW2 plasma storyline.)

>>58010849
People thought N wouldn't show up in the anime because all of their plans regarding the original Team Plasma V Team Rocket plot had to be scrapped due to unfortunate coincidences with recent natural disasters, but he still managed to pull through for the post-league filler arc.

>>58010849
>What does this even fucking mean?
Back then, certain rival characters never made appearances in the ashime, like with Silver, Wally or Hugh. That combined with the fact that they cancelled the Plasma vs Rocket plotline that was suppose to happen early on, it wasn't certain that N or Team Plasma was going to make a appearance ever. They even brought in Giovanni and made Ash fought with him and Team Rocket instead.

>>58010872
its still wild to me that Bianca was added to the anime, and only Cheren's bw2 version was added way later on. They had a baseline for a series handwrapped for them, couldve had Cheren and Bianca as companions (since Cheren is a gym leader) instead of Iris and Cilan, but they didnt do that..

>>58010882
Replacing Cheren with Trip was one of the worst decisions they made with Best Wishes, and that's saying alot. Trip was always going to bashed for being a Paul clone, and a weak one at that. The fact that Bianca beat him cemented him and BW Ash as frauds.

>>58010892
oh god I forgot about that nigga Trip. Literally a poor mans Paul. That boy with the Riolu/Lucario literally upstaged him in my mind and I dont even remember his name

>>58010955
Georgia and Burgundy cleared btw

>>58010757
Not even close to being true. Being more complex does not magically make it good. Heck, Masuda being unable to deal with that complexity is why he, Ghetsis and the rest of Team Plasma are such a shitshow. He should have just let the writers do their job with his ideas instead of trying to take over. This is why Colress shits on N despite being a more simple character and why Cyrus is way more fun to learn about.

>>58010994
I said decently written, not good. Learn to read.

>>58010994
>Being more complex does not magically make it good
It does? Also Platinum and BW2 were written by the same people

>>58010994
Cyrusfags are the only people that think Cyrus is interesting for some reason. He bored the shit out of me as a kid.

>>58010736
>he is the enemy
>>58008995
>N is the proxy leader of a team organization and is pretty antagonistic
Untrue. He was just part of a stupid LARP where didn't know his own role. He was never the leader or the real driving force, just playing along with the rest, doing whatever Ghetsis wanted.

>>58010997
>jewish technicallity
Go drown in acid.
>>58011003
B2W2 had little to no involvement from Masuda, it was directed by the same person who directed HGSS. And I said DP specifically because Cyrus is worse in Platinum, probably thanks to Masuda.

>>58011005
>N is great because he is complex
>Cyrus is boring because he is complex
Hypocrite.

>>58011010
>Untrue. He was just part of a stupid LARP where didn't know his own role. He was never the leader or the real driving force, just playing along with the rest, doing whatever Ghetsis wanted.
How do people play these games and not only refuse to read but also sprout bullshit here afterwards? Also, proxy leader = A leader or ruler chosen by another ruler to head a government, usually under the other ruler's order. N is a proxy leader appointed by Ghetsis. That's what the whole intro cutscene was about. N knew his role, he just didn't know Ghetsis' true motives or that he was going to eventually betray him.

>>58011043
where did I imply N was great lol Cyrusfags are very insecure

>>58011052
It is implied because of the overall conversation, idiot. How can we know that you just butted in to say that, retard?

I think anons that just say "thing is bad because it just is, okay?!" and shit on others for saying it's good with reasons why are loud contrarians that often don't know what they're talking about anyway.

>>58011036
>Nooo I'm not illiterate, it's the Jew's fault!!
Retard.

>>58011051
>proxy leader = A leader or ruler chosen by another ruler to head a government
1. You just made that up based on "Proxy Ownership/Directorship".
2. Ghetsis was still publically leading Team Plasma, N was the "shadow leader" that only Team Plasma knew about... but in reality N was just doing whatever Ghetsis told him to do and most of Team Plasma knew this and played along to appease the other half who were genuinely loyal to N... yet never attempted to make N realize this or somehow never realized it themselves because then the plot would fall appart. Point is, N was only the leader symbolically, he never did any real leader work or give any orders himself. He was a fucking retard for not realizing this himself and you are an idiot for insisting that this is a good story.
>what the whole intro cutscene was about
This entire mess is because Masuda wanted to justify that stupid intro scene. He probably thought of it before everything else.

>>58011100
>I am not wrong because I focus on a specific aspect of the narrative that is true, ignore the rest of the context and hope that you are stupid enough to not realize it.
The next time, there WILL be ovens.

>>58011136
>1. You just made that up based on "Proxy Ownership/Directorship".
picrel
>2. Ghetsis was still publically leading Team Plasma, N was the "shadow leader" that only Team Plasma knew about
Ghetsis was just the spokesman and shadow leader of the group. N is still the appointed leader and representative of Team Plasma, as Ghetsis wanted, since he advertised him throughout the region as the Hero that will change Unova. Tell me how was Ghetsis' plan was going to work if no one knew who N was or what power he held.
>This entire mess is because Masuda wanted to justify that stupid intro scene.
Literal headcanon to justify your lack of media literacy and ignorance.

>>58011100
Goalpost moving subversive demon hands wrote this post.

Was his name really fucking Gropius lmao

>>58011175
>he advertised him throughout the region as the Hero that will change Unova
>how was Ghetsis' plan was going to work if no one knew who N was or what power he held
It's been a while since I played BW because I fucking hated it but if what you say is true, then this scene makes even less sense than before.

>>58011175
>Ghetsis was just the [leader] AND shadow leader of the group.
Yeah, we fucking get it. It would have been great if Masuda had done it well. He didn't. Just the concept alone does not justify praise.
>justify your lack of media literacy and ignorance
Even if you were right about this one aspect of the story, the rest is still full of plot holes, nonsense, stupidity and pretentiousness. So no, it's an educated guess about Masuda's state of mind. Pic related, how it probably felt to develop BW with him.

>>58011175
>picrel
That's a dummy leader/government, used for ruling by proxy. Proxy War is what everyone talks about currently and Korea was recent(ish)ly revealed to have a dummy government. Never heard anyone call it "proxy leadership". And the term "proxy leader" sounds like you are talking about how the shadow leader works, which isn't how Ghetsis did things.

not even reading all this shitpost, N is the best thing that came out from pokemon and no amount of kaloscucks will ever change that

>>58011179
I didn't move shit. I said he was decently written. Not once I have a said it's good. He's just notably better than previous characters who were mostly really shit.

>>58011208
>spokesman = leader

>>58011399
>notably better than previous characters who were mostly really shit
Only the Aqua and Magma leaders were shit. Everyone else was okay, except maybe Eusine. Notably, these are all characters that Masuda was heavily involved in creating/directing.

>>58011602
Stop trying to rewrite history. Before N the only interesting character was Silver.

>>58011470
>he tells us where to go and what to do but he is *only* the spokesman because he, the notorious liar, said so

>>58011613
>the only interesting character was Silver
How so? What made him more interesting than Prof. Oak?

>>58011602
No, all characters were fucking boring and lacked basic things like backstory and character development.
Honorable mention could go to Silver, but only in HGSS.

>>58011626
There's nothing interesting about a guy who gives you the starter and disappears. You have to be careful not to confuse the anime with the game, in the anime, many characters are explored "more", but in the game they're just cardboard cutouts with three lines of dialogue

>>58011627
>basic things like backstory and character development
No. Just because you are a total asswipe that needs to checkmark those things because some YouTube idiot told you it doesn't mean that good characters can't lack either of those.

>>58011644
What is this deflection? I don't care what faggots on YouTube say, this is just extremely basic writing knowledge that I learned before gay ass video essays even existed.

Characters that lack basic traits are one-dimensional and boring. That's literally how writing works. It's very hard to make a good character when they're this superficial. A fun character or an appealing design, maybe, but that's not an objectively good character.

>>58011644
how can i think Wally is a good character when he appears 3 times for 5 seconds in the whole game?
i like him but that just makes me hate writing pre gen 5 even more

>>58011655
>basic traits
No, you shit-for-brains. Personality and motivations are basic traits. Backstory is only needed if necessary for the story proper. Character Development is not a trait, it's a concept - it's the idea of a character changing, evolving, developing. Not every fucking character needs to change. You probably thought it meant "worldbuilding but for characters", which iself is a stupid way to write a story.
>one-dimensional
>iterally how writing works
>superficial
>objectively good character
You are idiot regurgating shit you don't really understand.

>>58011676
Strawman. I never said Wally is a good character, you made that up so you could have an easy argument. Why didn't you compare N with Cyrus instead? Coward.

pokemon characters are worthless past fapping to them

>>58011700
Okay, who is this great character you wanna dicksuck so bad? You seem really mad.

>>58011705
real coomers care about the character itself, those who only care about the porn are posers.

>>58011706
>says the one dicksucking N
Hypocrite. And don't try to pull that "I wasn't talking about N" shit again, you wouldn't have interjected if that was the case.

>>58011642
>gives you the starter and disappears
Even if that were true, that alone wouldn't make him a bad character. It's obvious you have no fucking clue of what you're talking about. Having loads of screentime does not magically make a character good.

But to disprove your shit:
1. You can always return to Oak and check your progress.
2. Red remembers him occasionally (This isn't the time to use that!).
3. He provides key items through his assistants.
4. He appears at the end to finish the story (comments on the journey of both Red and Green then registers the former in the Hall of Fame).

Also, dismissing Oak's importance in the story just because he doesn't interrupt your exploration in every town/dungeon/road to remind you that he exists just confirms that you have no fucking idea of what it means to have a story nor what makes it good. Oak gave motives and goals to the protagonist and rival and he was always involved in those even if not physically present. Needing this shit to be explained puts in evidence how much of a fucking idiot you are.

>>58011760
>Having loads of screentime does not magically make a character good.
Correct, it's the quality not the quantity. Oak has a neither. You don't even know his backstory with Agatha and shit.

>>58011706
He doesn't have one. He's just arguing for the sake of it at this point. Can't argue with a fool that has already made up his mind.

>>58011760
No seriously, who do you consider a good character? I have no idea why you're so angry.

Also how many times do I need to repeat that I didn't say that N is a good character? I said his writing is decent. There's better characters. I think Arven is a lot better than N, to name an example.

>>58011765
>Oak has a neither.
You are wrong and obviously incapable of judging that.
>his backstory with Agatha and shit
He was good enough at battle to be the champion, at least according to her, but rejected the title to help complete the Pokédex because he is more interested in that (which is probably how he got so good at pokemon battles in the first place) and hopes Red or Green can do either thing or even both, as it's implied he helped to raise them. WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED???

>>58011775
>He's just arguing for the sake of it at this point. Can't argue with a fool that has already made up his mind.
You're either a hypocrite or the irony eludes you.
>He doesn't have one.
What I said about Oak won't magically disappear just because you don't like it.

>>58011788
>No seriously, who do you consider a good character?
See above. Dipshit.

>I said his writing is decent.
Yet you don't disagree with the above notion that every previous character is worse, which implies that you agree or made that claim yourself. And you're wrong, he is as bad as Archie and Maxie but has way too much unwarranted screentime. Even Wally is a better character, with a good personality and motives. It's his role in the story that sucks shit, being an underdog that never quite reaches his goal and not having at least one more meaningful appearance before he fully replaces May as the rival. But this is at least better than what they did with N in BW. B2W2 made much better use of him and other characters in general.

>>58011827
N is loved because of BW. BW2 is way inferior storywise, Colress and Hugh are good, but nowhere near N's internal conflict in BW.
>What I said about Oak won't magically disappear just because you don't like it.
You can say the same as BW N.

>>58011827
Oak is a pretty bad character when it comes to writing. He's a useful character gameplay wise maybe, but other than that there is just not much going on there. He barely has a personality, and the little personality he has is very generic.

What an add choice of character to defend. Why would you get so emotionally attached to him?

>he is as bad as Archie and Maxie
He's really not. Archie and Maxie are maniac ecoterrorists who want to expand the ocean/land. Why? Apparently they also don't know, considering how they feel after they set their plan in motion. Completely nonsensical motivation, character development can be summarised as "I'm a genius! ...Oh no!" which is laughable. They're cartoon villains. You just roll your eyes at them and then forget about them. It's not a good plot or engaging character.

N has a pretty fleshed out background. We know about his childhood, we know his interests, his motivations are pretty thoroughly explained. It's easy to understand why he thinks the way he does. He interacts with you plenty, so you're also not just some literally who kid to him. You can't say that for any other previous antagonist.
That being said, I think Ghetsis is a pretty shit character.

>>58011842
>nowhere near N's internal conflict in BW
This single thing does not compensate for how bad everything else is, nor is it even good by itself. Why does a genius need anything other than basic evidence to reach the right conclusions? A true genius can imagine an apple without ever seeing one. N needed Ghetsis to tell him that he is an idiot to realize it.
>You can say the same as BW N.
False equivalence. You are completely ignoring the facts about Oak for the sake of your argument. I don't ignore BW, I just don't accept your stance on it and you want to believe it's due to ignorance so you don't have to challange my stance nor your own.

>>58011869
Sounds like you have stockholm syndrome for N, as your reasons for liking him boil down to "he was always there". This is not enough for me to care about that idiot.

>>58011869
>Why would you get so emotionally attached to him?
I am not. He is just an example of a character that is written much better than N. The only reason I keep talking about him is your own failure to understand this and your poor attempts to disprove it.

>>58008853 (OP)
I want to fuck the shit out of this cute, green haired sadboy autist twink. When I'm done with him his shit will be stained white for a month because of all the cum left in his asshole

>>58011842
>BW2 is way inferior storywise
Translation: BW2 is not pretentious enough for pseudo-intellectuals.

>>58011874
>A true genius can imagine an apple without ever seeing one. N needed Ghetsis to tell him that he is an idiot to realize it.
N is a math genius and, as such, can be brilliant in his field while still remaining deeply naive and pure. That's the whole point of his character.
>>58011912
No. BW2 is just an unnecessary sequel done right. New characters are seamlessly woven into the plot, and we get deeper insight into an already complete structure. But the main storyline is just a basic "fight the bad guys" narrative. Colress and Hugh don't come close to carrying the same emotional weight or tension that N does. And if you think a simple story with a fairly traditional, albeit open-ended, ending is "pretentious" then watching Lain would probably blow your mind

>>58008853 (OP)
Did N approve of aldith's plan to assassinate Cynthia like this?

>>58012007
I watched Lain first when I was a teen and probably understood it better than you even back then, you pretentious fuck.
>can be brilliant in his field while still remaining deeply naive and pure
Cringe.

>>58011882
You don't even know what Stockholm syndrome is. No, it's not cause he's "always there". He isn't, for one. Some other characters in the series also showed up frequently to interact with you, but that doesn't make them good characters either. So no, that's not how it works.
>>58011889
There is no failure of understanding here, Oak is just not a well written character. He's not a terribly written character either, mind you, but he's just really basic and feels like a literal NPC rather than an actual character. It's not that deep, literally. So dunno why you're so mad.
You can say "I like him better than N", sure, that's subjective. But to say he's "written much better" is a pretty ridiculous claim. Pretty sure you're letting your personal taste influence your perspective here.

>>58012965
>So no, that's not how it works
That is exactly my my point, retard. You claim N is a good character because the game forces you to know everything about him, which is stupid because most of it is pretentious nonsense that isn't interesting. Like somebody said above, he's a wet fart of a character, overexplained despite being nothing special. And he wasn't the only one like this. N being garbage is simply because the script and direction of BW is garbage. If you are able to accept this about other characters/events in that game, you should be able to accept this about N. Stop taking it personally just because you masturbate to him.
>feels like a literal NPC rather than an actual character
>he's "written much better" is a pretty ridiculous claim
Again, you have no fucking clue of what you're talking about.
>you're letting your personal taste influence your perspective here
Look who's talking. You are evidently too stupid and full of yourself for a reasonable discussion, so I'll stop trying. Believe what you want (you'll 100% try to shrug this off as me being I'm unable to keep arguing), it won't change the facts. But don't even start talking about my tone, spare us of that tiresome crap.

>>58013430
>REEE you just don't know what you're talking about! Because I say so!
You're kind of pathetic. But yeah sure, you also believe what you want, I seriously don't care, as opposed to you.

There's something really weird, almost inhuman about him.

>>58013668
He might be literally a Zoroark
Either that or just autism

>>58010736
He's not the enemy. He's the opponent or more precisely adversary.
Learn the difference child or ESL, it could save your life one day.

>>58010086
No, you'd be an adult. I was 17 back then and I enjoyed N, I still do to this day after marrying and having kids.

>>58010499
And I wasn't attempting to speak more eloquently. Also now you're just projecting.

>>58010840
As a boomer, I find N's one of the most compelling stories in Pokémon.

>>58011079
I agree. For some reason this always happens with Gen 5 specifically and idk why.

>>58010840
you think Gen z didn’t play a game from 2012? holy retard

>>58011203
How would it make less sense.

>>58011644
What makes a good character?

>>58011765
Wasn't the back story only added later on? I'm pretty sure Agatha mentions something when you battle her but I'm not sure. I don't see much discussion about it in Gen 1 discussions, but I do in FRLG and Let's Go discussions.

>>58011912
Why would it be? BW wasn't pretentious either, nor were any of the games beforehand.

>>58009520
>>58009860
the real question is who's the kokichi of pokemon?

>>58012037
How's it cringe? Is this an example of "me no likey therefore bad"

>>58014152
They probably did. But so did Millennials.

>>58014241
Agatha talks about Oak since Gen1. And you can find a message from the League in his PC too.

>>58014165
Agatha talks about Oak since Gen1. And you can find a message from the League in his PC too.

>>58010086
How ANCIENT must you be to believe this?

>>58010086
Don't you have grandkids to be playing with or something?

I just finished a Black playthrough and I think it was a huge case of big ideas poorly translated into practice. Just a big letdown overall. I can almost see what they were going for, and it's neat, but they didn't hit the target. Disappointing.

>>58016585
I played it only once during 2011 but I agree. I'm considering playing it again and recording it just to have references for proving wrong those who disagree.

>>58014241
>Is this an example of "me no likey therefore bad"
Admittedly, yes. I found the way it was said obnoxiously corny and it's disgusting how much anon tries to fellate N at every opportunity. A simple "N is [supposed to be] a math genius [we don't see any real evidence of this] but that doesn't mean he can't be naive [and ignorant, I would add too]".

[In case it's not obvious, the text encased this way is extra commentary on what anon said.]

>>58011912
It's also a slog to get through
>muh post game
Have fun getting through a game with pacing on par with SHATinumat least the engine is good and the game isn't slow as shit as in it takes 15 minutes to save

>>58016585
> big ideas poorly translated into practice
Why?

>>58010994
>Cyrus
>Interesting
only in supplemental non canon side media like generations and pokemon master sex lmao and even then they make N more interesting along with newer and more interesting characters than Cyrus who they depict as an autistic child groomer lmao

>>58017770
>who they depict as an autistic child groomer lmao
BW literally has one of those.
>pokemon master sex
I have no idea of what they have done with him there. But there is plenty to like about his character in both DP and USUM. And what they do with him at the Pokémon Centers is genuine kino.

>>58017752
>pacing on par with SHATinum
Explain.

>>58014173
>BW wasn't pretentious
It was.
>either, nor were any of the games beforehand
ESL?

>>58014155
Sherlock Holmes is a good character yet he doesn't need either of those things.

>>58014154
What is the point of the "reveal" if it wasn't supposed to be a secret?

>>58010840
Probably because Gen Z was target demographic for the games when they came out. You underestimate how old zoomers are.

>>58014150
It happens with every single game but you only care when it's about your precious BW.
>>58011079
I think anons that just say "thing is good because it just is, okay?!" and cry on others for pointing this out are loud hypocrites that in every way don't know what they're talking about every time.

But seriously, your "reasons" are genuinely just that. You're a fucking hypocrite for deflecting it. And a cunt for disregarding every point as having "no reason". Thanks for proving that you are *literally* unreasonable.

>>58014140
If it compells you to roll your eyes, then I agree

>>58014135
>And I wasn't attempting to speak more eloquently.
I said "elegantly", you stupid fuck. I'd LOVE it if you tried to be more eloquent instead.
>you're just projecting
You either don't know what this means, which is entirely possible given our track record, or were again too stupid to realize your mistake.

>>58013439
>I seriously don't care, as opposed to you.
Sure thing, miss janny. You were totally just doing your job.

>>58010086
alright pops time for your alzheimer's meds

BW honestly has the best potential to have a romhack made that elevates the characters and story. Imagine a crazy mix of pokemon gameplay VN storytelling and fallout choicemaking that’ll affect how the story plays out. Maybe the player can choose to side with the gym leaders like normal or they could join team plasma, or even N specifically and overthrow ghetsis to rule as co monarchs of the region. Would be nice to see N’s ideals properly challenged in something more than a pokemon battle and also have the balls to depict the abuse of pokemon by their trainers that radicalized him (nothing crazy just similar to the stuff we’ve seen in the anime/adventures)

>>58020663
It would be amazing, but maybe too ambitious for the fanbase, we need more Kaizo slop hackroms for the poketubers

>>58019977
That deleted post doesn't even have anything to do with genwarring. The "Jewish" and "acid" part are clearly being used to justify it, but this janny has been throwing out "genwarring" bans all month so much he couldn't use his brain to select any other reason, because his real goal is persecuting unova haters.

>>58020703
It's funny that she resorted to tone-policing, just as >>58013430 said.

>>58019977
>everyone who opposes me is the same person who has it out for me personally
You sound actually schizophrenic. Seek help, seriously. You're insane.
Also stop referring to me as a woman.