>have to spend currency whenever you want to edit your stats, moves, ability, nature
>no option to add pp up to moves
>IVs all set to 31 with no option to lower them
RUINED

>>58024230 (OP)
I love it.

>>58024230 (OP)
Remember that this is what people asked for

>>58024230 (OP)
>>IVs all set to 31 with no option to lower them
Good

>>58024230 (OP)
Game as a service baby

>>58024230 (OP)
So it's a paid GF-owned version of Showdown?

>>58024276
I wanted a battle sim with every Pokemon in it.

Sounds like real players with official games + Home stay winning while mobile only kiddies are stuck in suboptimal microtransaction hell.

>>58024230 (OP)
>>IVs all set to 31 with no option to lower them
Would this be an issue if being confused did a set amount of damage?

pay up paypiggies

>>58024230 (OP)
https://www.pokemonchampions.jp/ja/battle/

>You will need VP to scout and
train Pokémon. You can earn VP in Pokémon Champions , such as through ranked battles. By earning VP through repeated battles, you can further strengthen your team!
>VP cannot be purchased directly.

Did you really expect a 1:1 Showdown with no microtransaction?

>>58024405
And you're getting that
>but it doesn't have every Pokemon
it does. it has Home connectivity, so that means it has access to all the Pokemon.

>>58024412
They'd have to rework foul play too if they wanted to get rid of the 0 atk meme.

The big stat is speed though. Not being able to edit your speed ruins any trick room strategy and fucks with other stuff like weather setting priority.

>>58024522
They wouldn't have to rework anything.

>>58024485
Unlocking pokemon costing some sort of currency was to be expected. Needing currency to edit literally anything is total bullshit though, especially when minor move and stat changes are something you constantly fuck with on showdown.

>>58024494

>>58024574
If they wanted to remove the need for 0 atk IVs on special attackers yes they would need to rework how confusion and foul play function.

>>58024494
Champions has it's own dex. You can only transfer from Home whatever is legal on Champions.

>>58024618
They don't have to rework it because they don't care about niche strategies like making Blissey hit itself with its 10 attack.

>>58024474
it's a presumably f2p mobile game, you will be paypigging or grinding out the ass

>>58024230 (OP)
Can you chose the gender of your pokemon?

>>58024522
I honestly don't think it affects much. Most things sub 50 speed runs 0IVs to underspeed other 0IV pokemon. But everything is in the same boat here, everyone gets affected equally. The only weird spot will be those 50-70ish speed pokemon, like uninvested base 60s will now underspeed -Spe base 70s. It just means we need to rethink some speed brackets. Maybe speed reducing items (iron ball etc) become more popular as well?

>>58024494
>t has Home connectivity, so that means it has access to all the Pokemon.

What? Gen 8 & 9 have access to home connectivity, but it doesn't have access to all the Pokémon.

>>58024697
>But everything is in the same boat here
It's not. Anyone who transfers their team from Home will have access to 0 speed IV mons while the ones recruited in Champions don't have the option to change IVs.

>>58024738
Is that confirmed? I wouldn't be surprised if it just treats everything as 6IV

>>58024697
that and missing out on really funky sets to get alternative protosynthesis/quark drive/beast boost stat increases

>>58024230 (OP)
Wouldn't that not matter if we can edit the stats directly with a scroll? I'm also wondering wtf the 32,32,0 are. Those can't be EVs...

>>58024795
True, Stakataka loses the Atk boost option

>>58024795
No more attack-boosting Stakataka with 13 defense IVs and a hindering nature.

>>58024408
They didn't show this to not cause an outrage right after a Presents, but they're totally going to cuck Home users in a way or another, it'd make no sense business wise not to
Best case scenario they're making you pay a fee to transfer a pokémon from Home to Champions, worst case Home pokémon cannot be used in ranked for some stupid reason

>>58024804
Those are EVs, they just made it so that one stat "point" is a +1 in a stat. Everything looks to be at level 50 as well, because on the main screen for viewing Pokemon, levels are just gone.
>>58024738
They are capping everything to max IVs at level 50. Look at the Pokemon status screen when it's viewed from the recruitment box, there is no indication of level or IVs.

>>58024804
EVs are simplified to direct stat points. at level 50 252 EVs give 32 extra points to the stat. Weirdly you have 66 to play with though, which means you have an extra point to put somewhere in a standard 252/252/4 set.

>>58024738
You gotta buy the Rental Mons before you can change thier IVs.

aaaaan dropped
they literally can't do anything right

how could anyone be surprised they're filling the game with MTX when it was announced for mobile at the very start
are you dumb

>>58024897
The trailer shows fully buying gardevoir then editing it's stats with no sign of being able to change IVs.

What i need real money for VP??

>>58024697
gyro ball is very specifially designed around being able to have zero speed. on slow pokemon like ferrothorn the 31 speed IVs make a gigantic difference.
0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (87 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 90-106 (26.3 - 31%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
0 Atk Ferrothorn Gyro Ball (148 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mew: 151-178 (44.2 - 52.1%) -- 16% chance to 2HKO

>>58024230 (OP)
>Trailer shows all femenine and elegant pokemon being female and all the rest male
Are rental pokemon gender locked?

>>58024948
The only copium is hoping the up and down buttons change IVs but it likely just goes through the stat list.

>>58024276
>People ask for a teambuilder just like Pokemon Showdown and other online sims
>They took that and intentionally made it worse intentionally, even removing the ability to edit IVs
t-thanks

>>58024230 (OP)
This is the one thing I was interested in. Fuck this shit.

>showdownkiller

>>58024993
see here >>58024474 you can't buy VP "directly" but that doesn't mean they can't pull some bullshit like
>BUY THE SEASON PASS TO EARN 300% MORE VP PER RANKED BATTLE

>>58024645
i'm cautiously optimistic that it'll be possible for the dex to change fairly often. imagine the series 6 vgc bans, but for way more pokemon that also introduces new ones. the meta would change all the time. maybe becoming similar to the 6v6 fan format called 35 pokes, where 35 fully evolved pokemon are randomly generated each month to be the only pokemon allowed. it was definitely chaotic at time (having something like gliscor in a low powered meta with hardly any ice beam users), but a curtailed selection would likely see the same cool benefits not otherwise seen (like carnivine actually having a niche once). champions would probably be more than 35, but including 4v4 doubles would also be great.

>>58024230 (OP)
They finally have "extremely effective" for 4times effective moves now are we going to get "hardly effective" for 4times resisted moves.

>>58024878
That is because 510 EP are 63.75 SP at level 50 so if instead of [truncate] they use [round] you now have an extra SP

>>58025090
Season pass or different currency to buy the other in-game currency. Either way, it's GF charging money from players with extra steps.

>>58024649
As an example, Espeon can go from being a 3 hit KO to a 2 hit KO

>>58025166
No, that doesn't make sense. It is way wrong. It should never be 66

>>58025479
So EVs are getting reworked...?

NOBODY USES FOUL PLAY I DO NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT YOUR 5% CHANCE TO SURVIVE A MOVE YOU SHOULD DIE TO

>>58025594
Farigiraf with Foul Play got top 4 at last month's NAIC.
The move will always be relevant.

>>58024370
The only showdown soon

>>58025594
>supports have an option to hit hard with 0 offensive investment
>punishes a fair number of attackers
>"NO ONE USES IT"

>>58025720
We still don't even know if Foul Play will be IN the game to begin with, as there's a chance that if they find that the no min IVs thing is an issue, they just patch it out.

Hear me out, what if instead of 510 EVs total it's actually 512 EVs total? That explains the 32 points per stat at level 50 AND the fact there's 2 extra points (total of 66 points)

>>58025768
>Deleting an option for Incineroar
Never ever

now that showdown has direct competition from game freak i wonder if it'll be targeted
could surely see people playing this being told to just play showdown

>>58024230 (OP)
it truly is the
POKECVCK CHAMPIONS

>>58024230 (OP)
>>58024601
>pokemon you have originally obtained in Champions cannot be deposited in HOME
booooo

>>58025842
Makes sense, think rentals from Stadium specially if >>58025773 Is correct, remember the clusterfuck that was Spinda and HOME when BDSP released?

Another detail: not all natures are in the game
All neutral natures are replaced by Serious

>>58024230 (OP)
So they are obviously gearing up for a legal battle against showdown once this releases, right?

>>58025991
For something completely PVP-focused, that's not surprising. You can't get a mint for any neutral nature besides Serious.

>>58025798
no 6v6 or randbats option. though, i don't think it'd be that hard to implent if you also sped up animations and adjusted the move timer. maybe they'd actually balance it for 6v6 and gen 10 smogon doesn't have 30+ bans

>>58026217
Yeah, functionally they are all the same but they are probably coded somewhere for the HOME compatibility

>>58026236
I would imagine these are just vitamins/bottlecaps/mints in the background.

Maybe they finally fixed the 510 EV problem where you have an extra 2 evs that are useless

>>58026361
See >>58025773, 2 extra evs would allow for that extra point

>>58024710
Two different types of applications
Gen 8 and 9 use it specifically as a storage system. Pokemon Champions is entirely centered around battling, and the Pokemon you obtain from champions can't be transferred to Home.

>>58024872
It will be slow release.

>>58024601

>>58026498
Champions also uses it as a storage system. It doesn't pull directly from Home.

>>58025991
probably this will work like mints (which only have Serious mint)

>>58024230 (OP)
Surely transferred pokemon will keep their maxed out PP?

>no 6v6 ladder
dead on arrival

>>58024309
nah, it breaks some strategies

>>58024230 (OP)
this shit looks like garbage, same shitty 3DS animations and the UI somehow is even worse. Id rather stay in showdown than pay for this trash

>>58026636
>it breaks some strategies
Good

>>58026608
Correct.
Showdown will be dead on arrival because of the impending litigation.

>>58026680
Smogpoors already coping LOL

This game isn't even getting a Switch 2 version. And it's being made by ILCA.

>>58027129
>pokemon battle as a genre
palworld spooked them hard huh

>>58027129
Of course it won't be a Switch 2 version because it's literally a f2p mobile game

>>58024230 (OP)
Actually DOA
I don't know why they intend on continuing to make things so fucking difficult in a world where genning is commonplace

>>58024230 (OP)
>IVs all set to 31 with no option to lower them
Based. This effectively removes IVs from the game

>>58027593
No it's not, it's a mainline game. They said so in the presentation. Watch it back.

>>58025479
Could be a glitch, wouldn't be the first time they showed footage with something wrong or not in the final game.

>>58026751
Have fun letting jews slurp up your money, shillfaggot.

>>58024681
No actually. Yet another thing you can't edit. The trailer showed each pokemon had a specific gender when renting/buying them in the shop.

>>58028648
That would be the best case scenario. If IVs are NOT fixed to 31 then mons transferred from Home have a direct advantage over the Champion ones who are perma stuck at 31. a few smogon tards will cry about it but this overall removes a massive headache from future titles.

>>58024230 (OP)
It's a mobile game, they've gotta make money off it somehow

>>58025994
They aren't going after Showdown. The Pokemon Company have literally spoken with the Showdown devs directly and basically told them if their site isn't distributing roms then it's fine to stay up.

>>58024230 (OP)
What bothers me the most is no held item option was shown at all.

>>58029196
It's on the screen where you pick your mons

>>58025117
They did show it. Serperior leaf storm vs Scizor was "mostly ineffective".

>>58029151
When was that? Champions is a battle sim that is comparable to showdown. Remember how Nintendo let the fan remake of metroid 2 exist until they made a remake of metroid 2, something like that might happen.

>>58028611
>genning is commonplace
How does one go about doing this? Is it as easy as it was on the 3DS?

Wait is this actually not a Switch exclusive?

>>58024230 (OP)
It's a phone game, why did you expect it to not be incredibly jewish? Nobody makes things for phone except to be super jewish because only phone users tolerate that.

It'll be really funny when they go after showdown

>>58029436
Never gonna happen.

>>58029391
We knew it would be on mobile since reveal.

>>58024230 (OP)
All 31 IVs is honestly for the best. People complained when they made everything always 50 as it got rid of level 49 TR strats, but having to balance around that retardation is just silly.

showdown is getting sued into the dirt

>>58025166
>>58025479
At level 50 the first 4 EVs give +1. That's why you see 244/4/4/4/252 builds. They give +1 more overall stat. It's to account for that because without it you couldn't do those.

>>58029417
>>58028986
>>58024993
You cant buy VP you retards

Power Up with Victory Points
Victory Points (VP) can be gained from Ranked Battles and other places in Pokémon Champions. You’ll need VP to recruit and train Pokémon.

VP cannot be directly purchased, so keep battling and gaining VP to power up your team even more!

>>58024230 (OP)
>have to spend currency whenever you want to edit your stats, moves, ability, nature
Freemium slop be slopping.
>no option to add pp up to moves
Good. Git gud with ur PP.
>IVs all set to 31 with no option to lower them
Bad. They should all be 0. Remove IVs means "remove IVs", not "everyone gets +31"! Start from zero or whatever shit they preached in the SV DLC cuck ending.

>>58024230 (OP)
Fair. Some people will put the effort to get the desire stats and moves on the games before sending the Pokémon to champion.
The gam currency balances it out since other people will be just short cutting

>>58024230 (OP)
>>IVs all set to 31 with no option to lower them
can you not just bring your own pokemon or does Champions only let you use rental pokemon?

>>58030040
You can bring your own Pokemon, but there's no evidence that they won't be held to the same restrictions.
This game would be DOA if bought Pokemon can never compete.

>>58030045
>This game would be DOA if bought Pokemon can never compete.
I guess we'll see with the release of ZA if they are getting rid of IVs (auto setting them to 31) moving forward.

>>58030118
Legends games don't count. Arceus already ignored IVs.

>>58029919
>directly
that's the key word. it'll either be you spend real money for "pokepoints" and redeem those for vp or it'll be another subscription like pokemon home, where they've already making a ton of money from idiots paying them
or are you legitimately thinking gamefreak is doing all this for free?

>>58025013
I rewatched the trailer. The Kommo-o being shown in the rent list was female, so unless Kommo is conidered femenine for some reason, they may just be random.
However, I still find odd that when they shown the teams, gardevoir was the sole female surounded by a pokemon sausage party.

>>58024230 (OP)
Greedy bastards

>>58030210
All the mons shown in the rent list where female but then you see some male versions later on from the teams. So maybe you pick male/female before buying one.

>>58030236
I think I remember seeing a male charizard in the rental list

>>58024872
>They didn't show this to not cause an outrage right after a Presents, but they're totally going to cuck Home users in a way or another
from a business standpoint it's the opposite. Home users with subscriptions and main games don't have to go through the grinding bullshit as opposed to Champions only players.

>>58025019
Looking at the stats it's confirmed we are finally getting enough EVs for a full stat point instead of their being an awkward 2 left over.

>>58024230 (OP)
if IVs are all 31, then everyone is equal. it also means confusion damage is up.

I'm surprised they didn't show anything related to megas or tera when that was the big draw of the initial reveal.

>>58030317
Yeah either that or they’re just showing a rental Pokémon that has stock perfect ivs

>>58030308
You got the nature wrong but I see

>>58030308
It's the same stats as if you aren't using 252/252/4 (or any 3 stat option). Right now a 244/4/4/4/252 (or any 5 stat option) build gives +66 stats. This is just normalizing it so the 252/252/4 builds that give +65 with some waste now have an extra +1 to work with.

>>58030363
Whoops guess I was initially looking at the OP image which is set to timid instead of modest >>58024230 (OP)

But still you can see the extra point in spdef.

>>58029233
looks like you'll have to pay for more box spaces too

Is this game going to be free to play or it's going to be a paid game?

>>58030431
free to play and you have to grind for points that let you edit your stats unlike showdown where you can just freely change them

>>58024230 (OP)
It's a shitty F2P mobile game what did you expect, it's not going to take off and people will immediately forget about it

>>58030469
Yeah like all of their mobile games

>>58030365
That means I have to dig the random 2 point I put into whatever stat.
I can't remember :(

>>58024230 (OP)
So, VP is canon now...?

>>58030500
Champions will likely let you change Home transferred mons stats too.

>>58028986
So fucking funny

>>58026636
>MY STRATEGY IS I CUT OFF MY DICK
>Uh...okay? How about we stop you from cutting off your dick?
>WTF, YOU'RE RUNING MY STRATEGY!

>>58024230 (OP)
>limited customization
So just DQM, Battle Network, and Kid Icarus Uprising

>>58030614
>t.

>>58030819
kek

>>58024230 (OP)
>IVs all set to 31 with no option to lower them
Based. 0 IV strategy is cancer and should be discouraged.

>>58026636
which strategies?

>>58030891
>setting speed to 0 for trick room teams.
>adjusting your stats for specific boosts off abilities like beast boost.
>making your atk/spatk lower if you plan on hitting your teammate to trigger shit like stamina or weakness policy.

Overall it's pretty niche stuff that isn't gonna matter much in the long run. Obtaining 0 IV mons ingame was the real pain that nobody has to deal with anymore.

>>58031057
All Calyrex should be 31 speed so you're worse in your own Trick Room. All Calyrex should be 31 attack so you rightfully die to foul play.
Champions is right for doing this.

>>58026636
>>58031057
No IVs don’t really break Trick Room.
Ursaluna is still gonna underspeed majority of Pokemon, but now it can’t something like Araquanids that forgot to lower its speed for Trick Room.

>>58025991
>All neutral natures
It only mattered in Emerald's Battle Palace, when natures determined what moves your mon would choose. Aside from that, none of the neutral natures matter. Hardy, Quirky, Docile, Bashful.

>>58024309
What if you want a Lucario that is proud of its power?

>>58031294
If all IVs are gonna default on 31 for future games the little personality thing will either get removed or just be random.

>everyone had a million questions about gimmicks after the initial champions reveal
>can you use multiple on the same team? will zmoves and dynamax also be in? any nerfs/buffs to them?
>finally get more info about the game
>zero mention of the battle gimmicks. not a single trace of them found in all the footage.

yeah i'm thinking SHOWDOWN WINS AGAIN

>>58031499
It’s coming out a whole year from now they don’t wanna answer questions they don’t have to care about yet.

Think about it. They don’t have to do ANYTHING to make this game. Nothing at all. Everything is completely done for them already, this is literally just a portion of many many already-made games that they’re making available for us. Why wait a year? Cuz they have no fucking clue what they’re doing, they never have, they don’t know what we want or why people use Showdown so they have to dripfeed and study our reactions to figure out what the fuck to do next. Every question you just asked, they’ve got the same fucking questions. So stop asking and start SCREAMING from the rooftops what it is you want. That’s what this waiting period is for.

>>58031584
Let's be real the game is already finished but they will be spending the next year carefully crafting the most jewish monetization scheme possible.

>>58031525
Implying this game isn't an excuse from gamefreak to take it down without giving an alternative

>>58024230 (OP)
>no PP ups
Good, busted 5 PP moves have a real drawback now. The PP system needs a revamp anyway, it's outdated and inflexible.

>gyro ball and trick room dead

>>58024230 (OP)
>Have to spend currency to edit moves ability nature
Honestly this is something theyve been incrementally adding over the years anyway. Just as long as we get more move options such as event-locked moves for mons that used to have them then I genuinely don't care.
>No option to add pp up to moves
I want to say "wait and see" but I also just don't fucking care. Maybe Pressure 'mons will see some love for once.
>IVs all set to 31 with no option to lower them
The only real things that loses out here is Hidden Power and Trick Room plays - let's not go pretending that the infinitismal difference in IVs is enough reason to want lower when the options for more control are present.
In the case of Trick Room, just build teams around it like you normally would, null IVs since everyone gets max IVs.

>>58032413
PP is a mechanic mainly meant for the single player and not pvp. If they ARE getting rid of PP Ups it seems like a change that is trying to nerf restricted mons specifically, as many of signature moves with only 5pp.

>>58024230 (OP)
>the currency everyone already hates is named after this board