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Previous: >>58014076

TOTAL SYLVALLY DOMINATION
(We're going to get laughed at by future /vp/ retards for saying this)

I hope we get Rainbow Energy and Dragon Energy in the next set.

Dena seething is 3, 2 1....

https://streamable.com/fabmbu

We should be the ones who beat the shit out of the devs for deliberately not showing off the trailer with the rest. Bunch of idiots

JOHTOGODS FUCKING WON

>Clefa
EEKFAGS GET BACK

I am so excited. Will I get Appletun, Woobat, Sableye or rather Dratini.

# Pokemon:

**Ho-Oh EX:**

**Phoenix Turbo 80**
Take a Fire Energy, a Grass Energy, and a Lightning Energy from your Energy Zone, and assign them to your Benched Basic Pokémon in any way you like.

**Lugia EX**

**Elemental Fury 180**
Remove a Fire Energy, a Grass Energy, and a Lightning Energy from this Pokémon.

**Shiny Umbreon EX:**

**Ability: Shadow Tag**
Once during your turn, if this Pokémon is in the active position, you may switch one of your opponent’s damaged benched Pokémon with their active Pokémon.

Insanely cracked.

**Shiny Gyarados:**

**Furious Lashing 20+**
You may discard any number of Pokémon from your bench. This attack does 40 more damage for each benched Pokémon you discarded in this way.

**Espeon EX:**

**Ability: Care**
Once during your turn, if this Pokémon is in the active position, you may heal 20 damage from one of your Pokémon.

**Cleffa:**

**Sparkling Call**
Take a random Pokémon from your deck and add it to the cards in your hand.

**Pichu:**

**Sparkling Throw**
Take an Energy card from your discard pile and attach it to one of your Benched Pokémon.

# Trainers/Tools:

* **Cetra** Choose 1 of your Pokémon, shuffle it and all cards attached to it into your deck.
* **Argento** Remove a Special Energy card from one of your opponent's Pokémon.
* **Energy Shoe** If the Pokémon this card is attached to is switched with your Active Pokémon, heal 30 damage from that Pokémon.
* **Elemental Switch** Move a [Lightning] Energy and a [Fire] Energy from your Pokémon to your Active Pokémon.

>>58026191
Woobatchads, IT'S OUR TURN!

>>58026191
Take the middle one, just do it

>>58026197
>Shiny Gyarados
They really want to give fishing net a use

imagine being one of those fags saving all your glasses from the start of the game for johto and you get these fucking lugia and ho-oh cards for your trouble
kek

>>58026197
>babies
>eeveefag pandering
>the shittiest legendary cards ever created
Johtobros, not like this...

>>58026197
>>58026227
Glad they were smart enough to make shinies of cards from the upcoming set

>>58026128 (OP)
>lyra
credit card out, my daughter must be obtained

>>58026240
What am I going to spend them on? Eevee's garbage pack? I can just sit on and expand my 500 glasses for the September set.

We will get the last laught A Raichubros. Those people calling us bootleg Alakazam are gonna be sorry

>>58026246
Weakto not beating the wacky deli allegations

Darktina bros we stay winning

>>58026295
>lugia discards all its energy when attacking
yeah bro i'm sure your 60 damage is really gonna threaten it

>>58026307
Just traded for my second Darkrai
With no more deranking, I might play more than 10 games next month to finally reach Ultraball

>>58026128 (OP)
>>58026197
No wonder they didn't show a trailer, this Is total shit...

>>58026246
You get what you FUCKIN DESERVE!

predictions:
>ho-oh/lugia is a complete dogshit unplayable deck
>umbreon is playable but nowhere near as good as the retards are already saying
>some random card they didn't show off like jumpluff ex is the new metaslave deck

>>58026197
>Incineroar Sylveon biggest weakness was red card
>Can run elemental switch+x peed to get the energy from your front runner Eevee/Sylveon without losing momentum
A toast to all my barafags

>>58026471
it only moves one fire
you could just use dawn for the same effect right now

feel like we're gonna see more elemental mix decks for eeveelutions

>>58026491
That's the point, dawn can't be used with oak in the same turn. You need cards you can discard quickly to counter red card

>>58026461
Umbreon's viability will be reliant on how much damage it does.

>>58026471
if the thing is actually playable without having both fire and lightning energy then your deck is simply not.
silvally will have six fucking cards that let it attack turn 3. evolution decks will no longer exist.

>>58026532
>2 dark energy 70 damage

I haven't touched Pockets PVP since launch... Is it THAT crazy?

>>58026246
>babies
>eeveefag pandering
>the shittiest legendary
That's Johto for you

>>58026536
>if the thing is actually playable without having both fire and lightning energy then
???

>>58026573
the card moves fire AND lightning energy. if you can use it as a cheaper dawn for either fire or lightning decks without needing to have both, zeravally automatically becomes the strongest deck in the entire game.

>>58026584
I can't wait. A 1/5 chance to draw into an energy mover each turn. The only downside being if you manage to not draw Zeraora on the first turn.

>>58026598
even if you don't draw into zera, there's a very distinct possibility we get double colorless since special energy cards are confirmed. if so, it's just over. there's nothing other decks can do.

>>58026584
It only moves one energy. Why would you run fire energy with Zeraora if Zeraora needs 2 electric energy? Besides, it has nothing to do with my incineorar deck

>>58026212
>>58026224
And it was Dratini.

The last 2* I managed to get from wonderpicks was Darkrai btw, whenever that set came out.

>>58026618
Depends on what kind of restrictions double colorless has, if any.

Elemental switch also moves water energy >>58026197 is wrong

>dawn officially powercrept
lol

>>58026730
Can't use it for Darkrai decks.

How am i supposed to get 3 energy onto ho oh before it dies

>>58026227
Just dump 3 of your basics and have 2 fishing nets and 2 celestic town elder in your hand to do 140 damage bro

>>58026730
it'snot like she was ever strong. Her only good combo was the turn 1 darkrai into weavile

>>58026752
she was pretty good in zeravally and arceus/crobat/darkrai/giratina
and even koko decks this set ran one

>>58026764
she was always redudnant in koko decks

>>58026773
and yet they all use her
curious

>>58026790
>people are brainded
shocking

did someone say "double colorless energy"?

Looking For:
>3 diamond
Palkia Origin
Luxray (EC)
>4 diamond
Alolan Dugtrio ex
6569-1552-7999-8433

>>58026197

>>58026833
trailers don't sow many cards, you should get how this goes already

>>58026128 (OP)
>Jotho expansion
>Not a single character appears in the trailer because there are no popular ones.

>>58026853
lyra dipshit

>>58026853
female ethan (forgot her name) and silver shows at the end

i've got it
ho-oh + lugia + zeraora
simply draw both zeraora, both elementals, and ho-oh turn 1
then you can ramp lugia on turn 3 and win

>>58026913
>drops oricorio
Now what?

>>58026989
Don't worry, they're nerfing Oricorio

>>58026989
well that's why you bring two zeraora

>>58026989
I stall for 30 sturns

>Double Colorless
Arceus ex and Lickilicky ex friends...

>Drop Snorlax ex
>Put double colorless
>Use Barry
>130 damage turn 1

>>58027089
Barry only works with normal snorlax

>>58027098
Oh it's balanced then, I guess it's only going to be 100 damage turn 1 then

>>58027112
compared to silvally it's balanced

i fail to see how ho-oh/lugia is supposed to function. it's just a slower and weaker moltres/GA zard, no? and it's not like that deck is remotely playable.

>>58027098
>Drop Snorlax
>Put double colorless
>Use Barry
>100 damage turn 1

>implying double colorless won't be a supporter
think with your brains, retards. if it wasn't you could just slap two of those niggas on turn 1 and swing with snorlax ex or whatever.

Even a single generic colorless energy would make things faster for a lot of decks

I wonder if we'll get Tyranitar EX in these packs or if it'll be reserved for the mini. Whenever it drops, its high rarity version will be my next pack point goal.

>>58027163
In a world where Silvally/Rampardos exists and no one thought rare candy was a bad idea, nah, I can totally imagine it being an item.

>>58027163
>>58026197
>* **Argento** Remove a Special Energy card from one of your opponent's Pokémon.
Assuming the translation is correct, it outright says Special Energy card

>>58026827
I fucking hope so, shitters like Venusaur & Mamoswine fucking NEED this type of buff

>>58027181
a card like this would break the game wide open. even as a supporter, you're now enabling extremely degenerate shit like a turn 1 null swing into a turn 3 silvally follow-up.
people will talk and theorycraft about which big fat stage 2s this will benefit, but none of them will even be playable because silvally kills them before they can do anything.

double colorless energy would completely break and ruin the game why the fuck do people keep suggesting it.

>>58026197
Espeon ex is just a better Cresselia kek

>>58027255
The game is has been broken for 2 months now, just in case you haven't noticed it yet.

>>58027223
It will and we know it's coming in a few days, something that will grant at least 1 energy of some sort and unless it's restricted to a specific type (unlikely if they want to shill Lugia + Ho-oh) Silvally will be able to use it too

>>58027181
Just add Rainbow Energy and suddenly dragons are worth using.

>>58027255
we already know we're getting special energy cards this expansion, and since any special energy cards that only attach one energy would be useless with the energy zone mechanics, what else is there besides double colorless and double dragon? we're not getting triple acceleration energy lmao

>>58027223
>you're now enabling extremely degenerate shit like a turn 1 null swing into a turn 3 silvally follow-up.
The very simple solution to this is to add to the effect of such cards: "Only 1 Special Energy card may be played per turn. Energy cannot be taken from the energy zone the same turn this card is played."

>>58027255
Double colorless would help fix the massive disadvantage there is in going first.

>>58026197
why is cleffa fundamentally much much much much better than pichu?
You can use cleffa turn one for an early draw
Pichu is a free point for the enemy.
Why?

>>58027326
so either they give one energy and are objectively useless because you could already attach one energy from your energy zone anyway, or they give two energy and break the game.
nice solution.

>go first
>double colorless Fan Rotom
>spin their lone active Pokemon and win

>>58027355
>so either they give one energy and are objectively useless
They always have secondary effects.
>or they give two energy and break the game.
2 colorless energy, which would not help out the majority of Pokemon. Silvally already breaks the game.

Have you retards never played the real game? Special energy cards are treated the same as any other in terms of how you're able to put them into play.

>>58026745
Double colorless + normal energy turn 2
Well I assume that you can't use double colorless in the same turn you attach a normal energy

>>58027370
At worst, it'd be a straight up better x-speed, literally zero reason to not run it.

So is Arceus EX back?

>>58027386
I think you didn't realize this isn't the real game

>>58027370
those secondary effects would effectively just be tools since you attach them to the pokemon in the same way. why bother creating an entirely new mechanic just for them to be tools but worse?

>>58027386
have you never played pocket? we don't have energy cards here, retard.

>Start using Zeraora
>Never go first again

I SOLVED THE GAME BROS!

>>58027396
So? Every other mechanic in Pocket matches that of the real game. What makes you think they'll suddenly let you play energy from the hand and energy zone at the same time?

>>58027386
In the real game, can you go and say "I know this card says I can't use the same attack twice in a row, but if I put two Celesteela, even if their ability says "once a turn", I can move my active Pokemon twice and pretend the "can't attack twice" doesn't exist."

>>58027426
Silver

>>58027419
>tools but worse?
They give energy, too. Are you being retarded on purpose? Surely you must be baiting.

>>58027426
Kiawe

>He still melting

>>58027436
>suggests you can't attach energy in the same turn you use special energy cards
>BUT THEY GIVE ENERGY TOO SO THEY'RE NOT TOOLS BUT WORSE
lol
i'm done talking to you, retard

>>58027434

>>58027427
Let it go, Anon...

>>58027461
this nigga got no attacks
wtf

>>58027470
Read the gold box.

>>58027479
sheeeeeeeeeit

>>58027451
They don't take up a tool slot, faggot.
Clearly you have 0 idea of balance. You must be a DeNa employee.

>>58027427
Yes.

>Power up Ho-Oh
>Move the energies to Druddigon
>???
>Profit

>>58027538
>power up ho-oh
>gets killed by silvally after ramping once
>go into drudd
>kill the silvally
>gets killed by the other silvally

DOUBLE THE FUCK DRAGON, PUSSY!

>>58027586
garchomp bros we are so fucking back
150 damage turn 3

https://x.com/PokemonTCGP/status/1947359019296780737

>>58027579
I know you Sylvally players can do one thing and one thing only with your remaining braincell, but you should be able to recognize a shitpost if you concentrate really hard

>>58027602
I'm not watching your gay stream Dena

>>58027602
is this the same drops event as launch or is it a different one

Nice Special Energy dweeb
Now discard it

>Unova is next b-because my favourite roach leaker made a riddle about it on antisocial media!
>Galar is next because my faouriterino streamerino said so without providing any basis for his claim!
>Paldea is next because I'm 10 years old and never played any older games!
>patterns don't exist, s-shut up!
>n-nobody cares!
I'd just like to remind you that I was completely right once again and that I despise chinks and attention whore leakers that only make shit up for upboats and then pretend nobody understood what they were saying.
If you want to get real truth first, you can only get it here, and only from me.

1-4-7
2-5-8
3-6-9

>>58027668
discard it all you want
it won't un-rape your basic

>>58027602
>Now category-wide
Hm...

>>58027674
Paldea already got normal cards, EX cards and trainers cards retard. Don't compare me with the rest of you commoners, we aren't equal

Uhh.......

JOHTODDLERS?!?!??!

Silvally should have used a random energy attached to it to determine what type it is when attacking.

>>58027674
Your pattern doesn't mean shit, wojaknigger.
Johto was next so they could do another round of Eevee shilling. It's why Espeon and Umbreon were absent from Eevee Grove.

>>58027745
silvally should have had a type change gimmick
arceus should have had a type change gimmick
but pocket isn't allowed to have nice things

atheist tyranitar soon

your special energy sir

>>58027741
Sango sexo.

>>58027756
>Espeon and Umbreon were absent from Eevee Grove
Bro, no...

>>58027787
>sylveon can now draw cards like basic eevee
haha
hahahahahahaha

>>58027787
I unironically want this for the opportunities it would open up.

>>58027801
? From its previous evolutions, not from any pokemon

>>58027808
>evolve draw eevee into sylveon
>use memory energy
>draw a card

>>58027787
Finally... Torterra can use Grotel's 60 damage attack in between Frenzy Plants...

>>58027808
anon which pokemon does sylveon evolve from

>>58027808
And what is the pre-evolution of Sylveon hmmmm?

>>58027815
>>58027817
>>58027822
I read silvally instead of sylveon

>>58027830
set isn't even out yet and silvally brainrot is already in full force
it's over for pocket

Someone post the English card texts please

>Ho oh requires 3 fucking energy for a measly 80 ramp up ability
>150 HP
This fucker is dead before he powers up anything
>Lugia discards every energy it has
Jesus Christ...

Only Umbreon looks great and Espeon isn't too bad.

>>58027674
No one cares fag

>>58027787
aside from the obvious eevees, which pokemon would actually stand to benefit from this? most evolving basics have absolute dogshit for attacks, and the ones that have good things generally don't evolve into pokemon worth using anyway. plus you can't use the middle stages' attacks if you used rare candy so it's really limited.

>Johto set
>Lyra
There goes my next 4 months' worth of hourglasses

>>58027911
decidueye can target its own bench mons

>Johto set
>Lyra
Another month saving hourglasses

>>58027777
Holy lucky quads of truth
NEED Tyranitar
I hope it gets a cool rainbow

>Special Energy
Eh, I'd rather have Stadium cards if they were gonna add another new mechanic

>>58027911
pokemon that have some kind of cost for attacking like discards/skip a turn/all or nothing coinflip will have a weaker option to work with
not many like that and they're not great, but it's something they can work with

>Umbreon has a built in Cyrus
Awesome. Finally I am redeemed.

>>58027911
Rampardos can finish off EX Pokemon without taking 50 damage

>>58027927
i guess, but how often will you really want to leave decidueye up front to bench snipe for 20? you have phero for that.

>>58026197
this Pichu translations is incorrect, it just give an energy, not a discarted one
also Ho-Oh takes a water energy, not a grass energy

>>58027952
So if you're running Umbreon EX does that free up a deck slot or do you stack actual Cryus on top of it still

>>58027896
I don't care that they don't care. I'll post the pattern every time someone asks about the next set and there is nothing you can do about it. Truth wins over corpo media slop.

>>58027956
that was my first thought too, but if you rare candied into rampardos you won't have access to cranidos' attack.

>>58027959
why use phero when I can use Sylveon

>>58027967
Probably depends on what other Pokemon you're running. You might still run a Cyrus or at least a Sabrina anyway.

>>58027911
Anything with a high energy requirement can hit with weaker attacks while building up so you're not doing literally nothing in that time.

>>58027956
You can't use rare candy, though.

>>58027973
>>58027994
You know how retarded that game is, DeNA would still make it work

>>58027977
counterpoint, why would you run decidueye if you're running sylveon? there are so many better stage 2s you could be assembling with the draw power.

>>58028001
because I want consistency?

>>58028000
>Chikorita
My girl is finally here and it has the old school artwork, nice!

If nothing else, I'm looking forward to TTar, Scizor and the beasts. Assuming they get EXs that end up being good.

>>58027991
>Anything with a high energy requirement
cards like this just aren't playable these days
and even if they were, the last place you would want them is up front taking chip damage when you're sinking 4 energy into them
they need to win you the game alone with that kind of investment, you can't risk your tyranitar getting put into KO range before you get it in play

>>58028045
The beast EXs will likely wait until the subsequent sets

>>58027864
Ho-oh ramps 1 electric/fire/water energy to your benched basics anyway you like, Lugia discards 1 electric/fire/water energy per attack, Umbreon EX has a built-in Cyrus poképower if it's active, Espeon EX is Cresselia, Cleffa draws a random Pokémon from your deck, Pichu attaches an Electric energy from your discard pile to your bench, shiny Gyarados allows you to discard your own benched Pokémon for more damage.

>>58028045
I can't wait to see rainbows of the beasts

>>58028000
shiny gyarados is gonna be funny when it works since that's 140 for 2 energy (and can be ramped with misty on turn 3 kek) but odds are you just aren't drawing enough basics to make use of it
if you only have 2 benchers you're just rocking a shittier version of silvally

johtokeks

>>58028056
You might be right. Regardless, I don't think I'll be going heavy into this expansion for a few set of cards. The minisets have been more interesting in general so far, Mythical Island aside.

>>58028086
NTA but I've been the same, I haven't gone deep into an expansion debut since GA, meanwhile I've gone to pack points on both TL and SR minis.

If they are really theming an entire mini set around baby Pokemon like the leaks claimed then that shit is going to flop massively. Nobody gives a shit about shitty ass baby Pokemon.

>>58028109
Johturd can't do anything right

man, and i thought eevee grove had a disappointing reveal
hope you fags are ready for total zeravally domination because that's all i'm getting from the elemental baton card and the existence of special energy

>>58028109
baby pokemon are ctually broken in the base game right now

>>58028076
>can be ramped with misty on turn 3
You're aware that you have to evolve it from magikarp first, right?

>>58028127
we won't get double energy, it will be something else

>>58028109
too bad they didn't wait for tag teams

>>58028146
even if it's memory energy or something zeravally is already a top tier deck and giving it a dawn that doesn't count as a supporter verges on pushing it into tier 0 territory

>>58028000
Lyra should be good just for removing the threat of Umbreon, Sabrina and Cyrus on something damaged in the bench, in particular frontline rampers like Dialga ex. Can also just use it like how you'd do with Koga/Ilima to switch out the frontline Pokemon once it's no longer needed. Looks to be worth trying out I think

>>58028140
>turn 3
wow, i wonder why i said that and not turn 1

Dubwool bros...rise up

>Lyra
Horrendous fucking design, Kris was 100x better.

>>58027911
Butterfree. Meowscarada. grass mon search
Greninja. Colorless attacks for nonwater decks
Muk. Clodsire. poison
Melmetal. Exeggutor. Magmortar. Electivire. ANinetales. get 1 energy
Gallade and Gardevoir: Teleport
Solgaleo: Cosmoem attack to stall Oricorio or Teleport
Gyarados: Go to the bench from Magikarp
Florges. Sleep
Magmortar.Fire energy
Bibarel. Super fang
Alcreamie. Sweets Relay

Also a bunch of mons
- Dont attack on curve while starting first
- Need to finish off a week opponent but you don't want to discard energy or recoil damage

>>58028189
i get that these are all options, but the real issue is the opportunity cost in utilizing them. are you really going to use your attack for the turn on swapping out gardevoir/gyarados when you could just as easily use leaf and retreat them for free but keep your attack? are you really going to use meowscarada's attack to search a grass type instead of just attacking with it?
even with solgaleo you're going to want to use an actual cosmoem since it's not vulnerable to getting silver'd.

>>58028189
sweets relay could actually benefit a lot from it now that i think about it
not only can you go right into slurpuff turn 3 and swing with swirlix's attack instead of staying basic and getting KO'd, but you could also potentially make use of vanilluxe so that the deck has something that can actually take a hit even if it's not doing all that much damage

>>58028169
>plays misty in case you play first (better hope you draw that gyarados
>have to empty your entire hand to drop all of those basics
>attack once
>then stuck with nothing and no damage
Great card indeed

>anon takes a post clearly not suggesting gyarados is going to be meta and has a meltdown over it
why are you spergs like this?

>>58027972
No one cares fag

I've started running double Sabrina again and people keep rage quitting.

>>58028257
Bro, your elders and fishing nets?

>>58028551
Wow, so now we go to a stage 2 with 60 damage on it's 2nd turn for 2 energy, if only there was something like that that existed and could deal 100 damage with 2 energy, hmmmm...

Quagsire is probably gonna be shitty pack filler and that makes me sad, I wanna use my goofy little guy

>>58028645
nah, quagsire is a shoo-in for an EX card. it'll be a dhelmise-tier jokemon though

HIS meta

>>58028718
why on earth would you ever play this over solgaleo

>>58028718
HER meta

11 win steak on ranked, feels good to win 22 points each time

With Onix+Brock and double colorless most likely coming. Are we fucking back Brock chads?

>>58028804
sorry nigga it's all steel energy and also just going to be a mudsdale tier shitmon

I stayed up and watched that dog shit presents I don't play any of the other games. What a waste why would they not just show the pocket trailer there.

>>58028822
Fighting Steelix exist, have faith in the Brock chad

>>58028773
HIS meta

>>58028842
(Oh whoops, nevermind, didn't noticed it was only fighting energy)

>>58028842
HER meta

>>58028352
1-4-7
2-5-8
3-6-9

>>58026246
stantlerbros were ROBBED

Did the trailer leak when the pack is coming out?

>>58026246
They showed 4 (four) EX cards in a set that will get 2 separate packs. There are at minimum 6 more EX and at least a dozen 3 dia they didn't show

>>58028906
30th
so it'll probably be revealed tomorrow

>>58028850
this is the only card I'm 100% confident will never be meta
what were they thinking

>>58028961
>hey mike
>yeah steve?
>you know that giratina card we had planned for a few months out?
>yeah the dragon one
>let's bump it up to this set and nerf it a little
>but we don't have double dragon energy yet, no one will ever-
>nah trust me bro it'll be so fucking funny

>>58028876

>>58028961
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqaCEPwWGtc

>drop tapu koko ex on the field
>opponent plays first drops magnemite
>then drops oricorio on the bench
>damage magnemite
>he retreats magnemite to block tapu koko and drops a 2nd magnemite
>cyrus magnemite and kill it
>puts oricorio back on the active spot and evolves to magneton
>sabrina magneton and one-shot it
>back to oricorio
>drop my own oricorio and beat the enemy bird
I guess this was the forced humiliation ritual moment for the opponent, because damn this was perfect lol

VenuGODs rise up

Genetic Apex we're viable again?

>>58029154
golem is just rampardos if he 4 energy
poliwrath is still bad
centiskorch is still unplayable, if you're putting 4 energy on a fire type it better be GA zard
golurk would be shit even if the attack was 3 energy
dragonite will still suck
and zam will never be good

>>58029093
>opponent plays first
Stopped reading there.

>>58029124
Hooh is fire electric water, not fire electric grass, just so you know.

>>58029188
hey now he could've been playing stokezard
should've at least read until "magnemite"

>>58028961
whoever designed that card probably also designed silvally

>we are watching this at ghetto quality
uhhh that's offensive godzly

>>58029006
I know that you really want me to post and I really don't mind, but I'm going to sleep for today, darling. Be a good boy and put on your chastity cage until tomorrow when I'll let you cum by posting again.

>>58029163
>golem is just rampardos if he 4 energy
Rampardos is still better even if they both had the same energy requirement, since Ramp only takes damage if it knocks out the opponent, while Golem takes damage every time.

>>58026831
You still around? Can I get mismagius for Dugtrio?
4018498134728310

Dialga...but worse

>>58028000
>remove a special energy card from one of your opponent's pokemon
>remove a special energy card
>special energy card
>energy card
But energy are not cards in Pocket.

>>58029510
Special energy will be.

>>58029475
Sure! I've sent the Mismagius ex.

>>58029475
Nice trade, thanks!

>>58029556
np, you too!

>>58029532
So if special energy is a card and not just energy, wouldn't that mean that effects that remove just energy (TRG, Guzzlord, etc.) won't work on it, since it's not energy, but an energy card?

>>58029640
Time for Guzma and Starly to shine

>>58029640
Unknown.
>>58029657
If it's not a tool, they won't do anything.

>>58029657
But only if special energy card is a tool card. It may very well be a completely new type of attachable card.

Dp you think we'll ever get any kind of set rotation in this game?

Decidueye is fucking dead

>>58029701
There were three possibilities:
1. rotation happens after three big sets - we already know this is not the case
2. rotation happens after 9 big sets - we still have a long time to go to confirm or deny this
3. no rotation

OH MY GOD I'M SO FUCKING SICK OF SILVALLY RAMPARDOS FUCK OFF ALREADY

>>58029701
rotation will happen when we reach C series. new set is a4 so don't expect that to be any time soon.

If the special energy card is any kind of double energy, then I feel like Sylveon ex will still have a place in decks.
>attach double energy
>deal and take damage
>lyra
>oak, then drop sylveon to hopefully draw double energy again
>attach double energy to the next mon and attack

>>58029795
Is Johto confirmed to still be A, or is it B? If it's A, it would mean that we will keep having A until A9.

>>58029866
The letter changes after a year

>>58029849
Double energy has never been unconditional, you wouldn't be able to attack with Sylveon. What makes you think that you'd be able to attach 2 kinds of energy in 1 turn?

>>58029866
the video quality is shit but that definitely doesn't look like it says B1 to me.
i expect the series will last one year like it does with the physical TCG.

>>58028267
Some people have never recovered from being wrong about Gyarados EX.

I hope we get more trainers than the ones we showed
If FA Lyra is the only waifu chase this set that'd be grim af. I want a jasmine or clair

>>58029914
A4c would take us to the anniversary.

>>58029922
All big sets have a lot of trainers anon
SM had 8.
Eevee is a rare exception with only Hau and Penny

>>58029849
Double colorless will probably take up a supporter slot or (more likely) have the clause that you can't attack with the pokemon the turn it's played
also you can't attack with sylveon with just colorless you need psychic energy too

>>58029908
1. I never said it would be attached to sylveon specifically, but in theory it could if it was double psychic (doubt).
2. it's two turns. You can't play oak or evolve if you already attacked, you should know this.
3. if special energy is not energy, but a new type of card, by default it would be attachable in the same turn as regular energy unless they add a simple condition, which may still be too complicated for pocket's playerbase. Something like "this card cannot be played if you attached an energy from the energy zone this turn. After playing this card, you can't take energy from the energy zone this turn." Sounds too long for such a simple game.
3. double colorless, for example, didn't have any conditions in the regular TCG

>>58029701
They'll just release Pokemon Trading Card Game Pocket 2: Now with content!

>>58029985
They've already added effects that have similar conditions to what you're proposing. All they have to do is not have the card be highlighted if you already played energy, or delete the energy zone token if you play special energy. There is no reason to believe you'd be able to double up on them. Dena is retarded, but they're not THAT bad at balancing.

Ohh yeeaaah make pokemon pocket even faster lets goooooo!!! HYPE!!!

>>58029884
>>58029914
>a year
I hope that's not the case, changing the letter in a random moment of the generation rotation (not after, not 1/3 of the way through) would hurt my autism.

>>58030006
Yeah, but most of those effects usually affect the same type of this as the card you are playing (like supporter per turn limit). I get that it's necessary, but I can't think of a good way to phrase this effect on the card without making phone users tl;dr skip it.

>>58030037
the physical TCG doesn't do every gen in their rotations, why would pocket?
better start huffing your autism copium now so you're better prepared when it happens.

>>58030037
Cards rotations are supposed to be easy to understand, not appeal to autism

>>58030051
"Energy cannot be used on the same turn as playing this card"

>>58030052
Physical TCG doesn't really do a gen rotation at all. They pretty much follow the games (with a copious amount of offtopic sets in between). Pocket is going through gens much, much faster.

Ho-oh should have been Sacred Ash 4 energy 150 damage and heal all your pokemon to full

tell me why I'm wrong

Oh boy I can't wait for Meganium to be the starter that gets shafted by either not getting an EX version, or getting a dog shit EX

>>58030099
nah it's typhlosion this time
they're not going to put two fire ex cards in the gold pack and no way is silver going to have typhlosion

>>58030093
I like the idea of working with Entei ,Raikou or Sicune

>>58030113
Typhlosion is going to be cucked because it's not in ZA.

>>58030113
What? There are two normal EX cards in the Eevee set right now. And they can put A fire EX in one pack, and another fire EX in the other pack

>>58030058
You don't really "use" energy. Energy is "generated", "taken" and/or "attached".
"Generation" happens automatically, so it can't be used here. "Taking" can be done by hand, but also through effects of other cards, so it can't be used here without disabling effects of those cards. If we used "Energy cannot be attached on the same turn as playing this card" it would essentially make the special energy card useless that turn, since it also "attaches" energy. But depending on the wording of the card's main effect, maybe the energy would get attached next turn as long as the special energy card is still attached? That may work as a limiting factor.

>>58030145
Okay, then "Energy cannot be taken from the energy zone on the same turn you use this card."

>>58030145
>>58030153
Or "Using this card counts as attaching energy this turn."

kek

It took me several dozen games of Flareon but I finally got to see someone fuck themselves over by playing under the assumption I was Charizard when I only had non-EX eevees showing. He Leaf'd his Giratina out for Darkrai and proceeded to get btfo by Leafeon.

feelsgoodman

>>58030126
Nah, other way around. Typhlosion will get a good EX this set while Feraligatr and Meganium will get jackshit because they'll eventually get a Mega in the October pack.

>>58030153
that doesn't really explain how it works with ramp cards though
does using double colorless cuck you out of a leafeon grass attach? or does it not?

>>58030153
Possible, but I think that's too severe. It would disable stuff like Misty, Giratina's ability or Tapu Koko ex's secondary attack effect.
Then again, maybe they don't intend for special energy to be used with any such cards as a way to slow down the game.

>>58030169
Ramp cards do it on their own, so they're obviously exempt.
Just delete the available energy if you use a special card, or grey out the special card if you already pulled from the zone.
It's really not a difficult concept, but for some reason this general is making it one.

When you play special energy, ends your turn

>>58030186
Ramp cards also "take" energy, so by that wording they would be affected.
Or rather, you could play Misty, but you'd get nothing for each heads. And Giratina would just end your turn.

>Just
Turning this interaction into another unwritten rule would just make this game even more of a shitshow.

>>58030196
Oh wow, now I can do a zeraora but with everything that uses colorless energy

>>58029210
What does he have to do with double colorless?

>>58030209
>Ramp cards also "take" energy, so by that wording they would be affected.
They can also do it when you attach a regular energy.

>these new EX cards
KIMI NO HITOMI GA TASUKE MOTOMETERU
DARE KORE KAMAWAZU MINNA GA UETERU
ME NO SHITA NO KUMA
SHIWA NO ARU MASUKU
YORETERU SUUTSU
MINIMATOU RUURU

>>58030216
Yes, because "take" and "attach" are two different things. And "generate" is another thing that's different from the first two.

>>58030227
Whatever, I don't care about the semantics. It's not difficult to write a concise stipulation for special energy, but you think it's some impossible task for some reason.

>>58030238
If it's so simple then why don't I see you providing any examples that work without affecting other cards?

>>58030259
Because I'm not autistic enough to care about 3 different definitions of the same thing. You know exactly what I mean, and I gave you the concept.

>>58030113
fire is the only type that is routinely never fucked over

>>58030279
It's due.

why didn't they show the trailer in the fucking Presents? The mismanagement of this franchise is incredible

>>58030286
They're going to show it tomorrow.

>>58030286
Why does this game not get any official tournament support? It is a real mystery.

>>58030302
>official tournament
>90% of the matches are Silvally/Rampardos and Solgaleo mirror matches with the eventual Stokezard

>>58030302
It's too much of a joke to even pretend to take it seriously.

>>58030307
Mirror matches have never been a problem to TPC.

>Umbreon EX
>Espeon EX
so we gonna get another new Eevee?

>>58030315
We might even get 2 of them.

>>58030315
yup. probably yet another fucking 1 energy colorless 20 damage shitter as if the seven we have right now weren't enough.

>>58030309
Yes, but I would appreciate it if they would at least pretend. Considering the other things they do support are:
>main game competitive
>pokemon go
>irl TCG
>unite
I'm going to assume they aren't much better.

>>58030313
Yes I'm sure it'd be really fun to see an entire tournament of "whoever plays first loses" and people waiting to get rare candy

>>58029701
They will 100% rotate

the "A" set is going set is going to rotate out after the "C" set starts if I had to bet.

They will then reprint Sabrina, Cyrus etc on new cards so people can't have their 2* trainer cards being high value cards for the whole lifespan of the game... you'll have to move on to play them in ranked.

Has coin flips been datamined yet? Is it truly 50%?

my guess for the other EX cards:
>Thyphlosion EX
>Feraligatr EX
>Ampharos EX
>Scizor EX
>Steelix EX
>Tyranitar EX

Crystal expansion:
>Meganium EX
>Skarmory EX
>Suicune EX
>Entei EX
>Raikou EX

>>58030364
>all cool/liked pokemon in the EX
if only pocket worked like that. At least 2 of them will be shitmons no one asked for like sudowoodo and dunsparce

>>58030364
I expect Entei(or Suicune) and Raikou in this set, then the missing one in the next set.

Jigglypuff EX
Trust the plan

>>58030272
A concept is not good enough as a game rule. And those are completely different things, not the same thing.
If you want to play by concepts you essentially devolve the game into two children in the sandbox going:
>I play Mewtwo and kill you, because Mewtwo is the strongest Pokemon
>nu-uh, my Arceus created all Pokemon, so he is stronger than your Mewtwo
>but my Mewtwo was created by scientists, not by Arceus. Which means I draw him automatically whenever I play Professor's Research!
>nuh-uh, because my Arceus could just not have created your scientists cause he's a god, and then they couldn't create your Mewtwo. There, I win!

>>58030428
Then again, Dena is not really at masterclass level when it comes to writing rules. RAW Toxicroak should poison itself instead of its opponent, so they may just drop some turd on the special energy card too.

>>58030428
I'm basing it on status quo. In the real game, special energy can't be played in the same turn as regular energy.

>>58030377
To be fair, they need to save some popular mons for the next time they repeat a region in a future expansion.

>>58030457
That's only because regular energy in the real game is also a card, and there is a rule in the main rulebook that says "you can only play 1 energy card from your hand per turn". In Pocket, regular energy is not a card, which creates all sorts of problems.

>>58030481
Just reword this, with the stipulation of playing a card instead of "during the next turn."

>>58030357
Yeah, they discovered that buying Pokégold or a premium pass actually grants you 2% more chances to flip in your favor when fighting F2P players for a month, but getting a win streak of 5 or more in ranked gives you 5% LESS chance of a good flip until you lose a match.

>>58030390
Let's be real, if one of the Legendary Beasts is being saved for its own set, it's Suicune.

>>58030523
It wouldn't be the first time they ignored the games for a pack theme.

>>58030494
You mean reword this so that it works on special energy? Let's see:
>During the turn you play this card, you can't take any Energy from your Energy Zone to attach it to your Active Pokemon.
Now, I'm not sure if Night Bind affects stuff like Misty or Broken-Space Bellow, but RAW it should. If in practice it does not, then it's a decent precedent, albeit based on shitty rule writing quality.

>>58030543
People will just use Dawn.

>>58030543
>drop fossil first turn on active zone and broken Pokemon on bench
>put special energy and energy from the energy zone on the benched Pokemon
>discard the fossil
Wow.

>>58030543
>I'm not sure if Night Bind affects stuff like Misty or Broken-Space Bellow
It doesn't.

>>58030561
>>58030543
I'm pretty sure it does actually, since it does work with Stokezard.

>>58030364
Arent you forgetting about someone?

>eeveeslop has been shilled harder than everything else
>including pikachu and charizard COMBINED
>just had an entire dedicated eevee set
>next set immediately adds 2 more eevee EX
>probably another base eevee to go with the 14 we already have
I want it to stop. NO MORE EEVEE

>>58030345
>>58030313
ADP, PikaRom and ReshiZard saved the meta!!

>>58030561
it does. you can't misty your active water type or activate tina ability.

>>58030702
Pocket has a ways to go 'til.it has its own personal ADP

why wasn't the set reveal in the presents??
the fuck are TPC doing over there

how do baby pokemon work? do they evolve into their basic forms or anything?
30 hp they just seem so vulnerable to sniping or bricking the game if you start with only that

>>58030763
In the main TCG, while they're some of the naturally frailest cards in the game, their attacks and retreat are completely free and (usually) have some kind of effect that makes up for their frailty.

>>58030763
Not sure how they work now, but when they were first introduced they couldn’t be evolve, but had really a a strong effect to compensate for their low HP

>>58030697
IT'S THE YEAR OF EEVEE BABY! CAN'T STOP WON'T STOP!

>>58028149
how are you getting 16 energy onto that thing

>>58028176

>>58028158
What parallel world are you living in for Zera + Silvally to be top tier?

>>58030869
what world are you living in where it isn't?

Which card's wording are we going to complain about for multiple threads this time?

>>58030906
One Anon is going to be very angry and confused if his opponent's Gyarados discards a Pokémon from the bench and he doesn't get any points.

>>58030801
They could evolve in the original release. I don't know how it works now. Are they going to make a Stage 1 Pikachu and Clefairy?

How many meta relevant decks can do 30 damage immediately if they go second? With this game having 3 points instead of 6 I wonder if maybe they should have made baby pokemon not worth any points.

>Pichu
Oh great...a buff for electric Sylvally as If It wasn't the best version of It's deck already. So much for having a chance If It goes first.

So should we expect the actual English trailer tomorrow some time? Not that it really matters at this point.

>>58031150
They're always a week before, on a Wednesday.

>>58030996
eeveeslop can do it with eevee ex. skarmory does 50. any standard basic can do it with gio.

>>58031183
you guys are over complicating it
just run farfetch in every deck

>>58030996
Incelroar with the self-damage Litten, Silvally if Type:Null flips head, same with Poipole in a poison deck.

>>58031303
Buzzwole can slot in Kartana over Pheromosa.

>get first non all diamonds pack in a week or more
>it's a shiny
I hate them so much

Pichu having to draw energy from the discard pile instead of just generating extra energies makes it seem pretty fucking worthless since the whole idea would be to play it at the start of the game

Oh...

>Use buzzwole deck
>Fight nothing but the Sylveon/Charizard deck
>Switch to voltswitch Oricorio deck suddenly start seeing fighting decks
Matchmaking is fucking RIGGED

>>58031430
I just got one too...

I want a good Gligar/Gliscor...

>>58031430
saw one in my wonder picks
didnt even bother

>>58031647
shinies dont show up in wonder picks

Think it would be worth it to dust extra shinies into trade tokens before the update or will they just let you dust them directly post update

>>58031656
talking about the regular 2star

Newnew
>>58031800
>>58031800