Celebratory "It's Just (Master) Fair" edition
Previous thread: >>58034566

Thread question:
>E = Ending (If Kiki had to break up with his partner, how would he do it?)
Gosh it's a kinda difficult question... I think he'd sit down, try to explain his feelings... and possibly get extra nervous and teary. I don't see him as someone who would "fall out of love" that easily...
Bonus question:
>Are you happy with the treatment Kiki is getting in Pokémon Masters?

>>58062026
I'm very excited for his interactions in masters ex

https://youtube.com/shorts/CDrdX-6KCAc?si=1KAGgS4CBKFg_p4q

Kiki nooo-

>>58062064
He's joining the rivals' friend group!
>>58062073
This is way too adorable.

>Only route tier trainers for me

Studying wayas

Little dork!

>>58062001 (OP)
his voices in masters were definetely a...choice. Japanese sounds like a little kid and English sounds like a complete dork.

like imagine THIS scene voiced.

>>58062124
Yeah they are both pretty awful choices... He needed a raspier woman's voice. Although his English VA is even worse kek

>>58062124
"A choice" is a nice way to put it Anon, lol. Japanese is growing on me already and I *can* kinda picture this scene voiced. I see a lot of potential for improvement with the same VA. But the English one, it's like whoever picked the VA didn't even look at Kiki...
>>58062155
Either raspier or just softer imo.

>>58062119
Kiki's armpit!!
Stinky...

>>58062155
>>58062175
to be fair to DeNA, younger boy characters can be hard to when you're not using child/teen actors: men are naturally too deep and need to falsetto, and while women are close in pitch there are various sex-based differences in speech they need to account for.
I feel something like this would be more fitting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31aNM56Pd4E but the person doing that is likely around Kieran's age.

Thing is, Game Freak works closely with DeNA to be sure the characters are faithful, so maybe they genuinely envisioned Kieran to be a baby-voiced dork or at least don't see it as a problem.

>>58062001 (OP)
So, which one is the one who mindbroke him and then fixed him? Florian or Juliana?

>>58062097
Can't talk furret, deadlines to meet!
>>58062124
Ugh, we all said they'd blow it but I'm still so annoyed. Part of me hoped that it wouldn't be this bad. It's not even close to what it should be (eng).

>>58062360
Oh yeah I remember seeing that video while looking for Kiki fan dubs. Fitting enough voice but... is it not a girl/woman? Crispin going "Woo!" fucking kills me.
Also yeah, I agree male VAs would pretty much always sound wrong one way or another, while female VAs are at least slightly better on a shota. I think I've only ever heard a single male VA who could vaguely fit Kiki, against the dozens of female VAs I've listened to while waiting for Kiki to get into the game, where I'd often think something along the lines of "yeah if she got hired for Kiki I wouldn't mind"/"fuck yeah she should absolutely voice Kiki". Off the top of my head, the only shotas in the game voiced by men going high-pitched are Hau and Wally, while the others are either women or just men using their normal voices. (I'm exclusively talking about Japanese voice acting here by the way, I know jack shit about English-language VAs.)
I remember someone on /Kiki/ way back in the past who mentioned they could get an actual young boy to voice him, but with youth comes inexperience, and someone that young probably wouldn't have the necessary professional training unless they were in the industry for years already. In other words, even that option could've potentially botched Kiki lol.
>>58062372
It's Juliana.

>>58062372
In Masters Juliana is the canonical protagonist and Florian is a dude from an alternate universe who jumped through a random portal. Everyone knows Juliana but nobody knows Florian but they just accepted him since he explained identical events that took place in his universe.

The only other characters who were clearly stated to be from another universe are Rose and Oleana who show up from before Rose goes full retard and people get him to change his ways since everyone else is from the post SWSH timeline. They basically fixed his entire character and made him a cool dude.

>Found a download for "Unending blue", the (apparently) only solo single sung by Kiki's VA, after just a little bit of digging
My Kikiscography project is off to a decent start.
They're very distinctly not Kiki-like chara songs for a female character, but for anyone who's curious, here are the links! I intended to post an actual download link but Catbox is being a bitch and a half...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYgoWqa8FfI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JxRqf2d0sM
And now I'm off to imagine Kiki cutely trying to sing this kinda stuff at a karaoke place.

>>58062064
what if instead of pokemon it was pokeshotas and you captured little boys and made them fight each other

>Haven't really played Gen 9 games
>Decide to see what is the Pokemon pornography scene looking like these days
>A gorillion doujins of this dude taking it up the ass
>Hop on /vp/ to ask why is that
>He has his own general
So, uh, what's the appeal?

>>58063136
Good story. Unironically. The fact that he gets a thinly veiled crush on your helps.
>So my little brother here has been all googly-eyed over you since yesterday. He wouldn't stop talking about you—even at home. I seriously couldn't get him to shut up.

>>58063082
I will make them kiss each other with me in the middle instead
>>58063136
Cute/erotic design, compelling characterisation/story that's way over the line for Pokémon standards, somewhat challenging battles towards the end showcasing his growth as a Trainer, and he's into (You) no matter what you are, which is why he won the hearts of female and male players both. (You) bait aside, he's also decent ship bait, hence the doujins with Drayton you might've seen alongside the ones with the male protag. Straight doujins with him exist in boat loads but they don't get scanned...

>>58062451
imagine losing to a girl! wait man, I hope Harmony doesn't end up getting the protagonist role for ZA when it gets in, I think Elaine's also the protagonist for the Let's go games, Chase is hardly ever talked about, I don't think he's even in the game yet

>>58063184
that's what contests are for

>>58063194
>I don't think he's even in the game yet
He is.

>>58063136
He gets an obvious crush on your self-insert and you go on a cute festival date with him, then you crush his dreams by being chosen by his favorite legendary Pokemon instead of him and he loses it and has a very good character arc by Pokemon standards.

>>58063194
Chase is in the game, I randomly got him yesterday because of some free pulls. Pretty sure neither is supposed to be considered the protagonist over the other, but I admit I might misremember as I find LGPE stuff entirely uninteresting. I wonder what they could do with ZA, as the rivals are just customised protagonists...

>>58063136
gamefreak finally took the "what if the rival you beat over and over had a breakdown over it" premise a genuine shot and did it REALLY well. and he wiggles around like an autist too

>>58062592
I hope we get a story where Kieran asks Florian if the Kieran from Florian's universe was the same as him, and if they did all the same things together

>>58063136
Pedos get off from thinking about dominating a emotionally unstable kid

>>58063916
It wont be acknowledged until Kitakami alts get added and Florian and Juliana both show up with their Ogrepons.

>>58062090
Oh hey, I get this joke.
>>58062026
>E = Ending (If Kiki had to break up with his partner, how would he do it?)
Something something I'll sign your divorce papers for you lul
>>Are you happy with the treatment Kiki is getting in Pokémon Masters?
JP voice is cute, kinda dislike that he's post canon, but I guess it does make sense, vaguely worried about the people he's with.

>>58063136
Kieran's appeal is varied, but I think it just boils down to him being cute, if you're wondering about the doujins

>>58063924
Many such cases.

>>58062124
>English sounds like a complete dork.
Sounds like they nailed it. You were hoping for something chuuni?

>>58062026
cute smile

>>58063916
It would be interesting even just to see Kiki's reaction. Either way, Kiki does already have a team-up voice line with Florian where he's friendly to him
>>58064189
>Something something I'll sign your divorce papers for you lul
Extra bratty Kiki, huh... cold, edgy Champ Kiki would have no reservations about breaking up...
>vaguely worried about the people he's with.
If you mean Paulo, he's not a bully. However, now that I think about it, we can now look forward to the Masters version of a certain someone who might be...
>>58064265
The cutest. But ouch, I think I like the other pose a little bit more because of the angle on his face

>>58062026
n-no original hairstyle kiki?

>>58064401
It’s a gacha obviously they’re going to sell that later on

>>58062026
>Start Over from Zero Tera Blast
Kino

are the masters models better than the switch ones?

>>58062026
>Start Over from Zero Tera Blast
Kikino never fails

>>58063935
Aren't all extra pokemon the trainers get pokemon they catch on Pasio? outside of their ace pokemon?

>>58064564
Catching them on Pasio is usually just the weird ones like Nemona and Iono finding paradox pokemon. Characters have their full teams they just dont use them and sometimes they just get them from other characters. Gloria has Zacian because she's the canonical protagonist, Inteleon because it's her starter, Urshifu because she went to Isle of Armor, and Cinderace because Hop gave her an egg.

Juliana should have Skeledirge and Nemona should have Meowscarada since Clavell has the duck and Juliana should have Ogrepon because she already dealt with Kieran's shit.

>>58064594
She should also have Terapagos because Kieran is back to his non edgy lord self too.

>>58064665
Juliana will probably get Ogrepon and Florian will get Terapagos since they are the only protagonists where both of them did the story. The opposite of Selene and Elio where neither of them did the story.

>>58064401
Nope Anon, this is post-game Kiki. He could maybe perhaps get an alt with his hair down somewhere down the line, but he'd still be post-game Kiki.
>>58064459
The S/V characters look a little bit better in Masters imo, but in general they're pretty faithful. Could even be the same models that were a bit simplified, but I'm not sure about that. Kiki looks the exact same because you can't improve perfection, hehe
>>58064564
Besides what >>58064594 said they could even theoretically catch Ogerpon on Pasio and even Kiki could. There's a Hoopa that pulls random Pokémon from alternate dimensions, that's why we end up with duplicate legendaries going to random characters

>>58064707
They specifically gave Morty Ho-oh and Eusine Suicune because they were obsessed with them in the main games so there's a a high chance Kieran will eventually get shiny Ogerpon.

>>58064700
>The opposite of Selene and Elio where neither of them did the story.
[insert joke about how they're lucky because of too much dialogue or something]
>>58063916
[insert joke about if that involves sex experience with kiki]

>>58064719
And Zinnia has fug too, yeah?

>>58064738
Yeah but at first it couldn't mega evolve. Then she managed to do it and went into space to destroy another meteor since Steven and his shiny fug were getting attacked by Deoxys and couldn't do it.

Now whenever someone needs her help she tells them to fuck off and figure shit out themselves

>>58064719
Yeah, and including Fug Zinnia, that's why I think Ogerpon Kiki is possible haha.
>>58064735
>[insert joke about if that involves sex experience with kiki]
They could fight over who got better head from him...

>>58064735
Selene and Elio aren't allowed to do the story because they would have had to make one the canonical champion which would put them above all the other protags. The game treats the champions as the current champions and they hold neo champion events so the protags and rivals can effectively become champion equivalent.

Alola is the only region that never has a champion present when they all meet to discuss Neo champions because Kukui isn't the champion he was the first challenger. Alola only got neo champions because Lance elected them on Kukuis recommendation

>>58064758
Not who gave him the best head?

>>58065022
Kek
Florian definitely gives a mean blowie

What did he see...?
>>58065022
That too!
>>58065023
Hot, but I can't help but see Kiki as the one who's a natural at giving head

>>58065034
>pokemon masters kieran
https://www.google.com/search?q=%E3%83%9D%E3%82%B1%E3%83%9E%E3%82%B9+%E3%82%B9%E3%82%B0%E3%83%AA
Nothing bad... hopefully.

>>58065034
I think Kiki would be pretty bad at it at first, being too shy about it and holding back too much.
But he would strive to please his partner and get better over time until he's really good, perhaps even surpassing Florian's natural talent AKA protag slut powers.
Stronger and stronger...!

>>58065036
Maybe he only looks that shocked because the artist didn't expect him to get in the game...?
>>58065039
>But he would strive to please his partner
This is exactly what I'm thinking. So hot...
>Florian's natural talent AKA protag slut powers.
Lol. So we could say Florian has the experience and Kiki has the willingness to learn and improve... cute.

>ENG VA Kiki's daily life in BB Academy

>>58063136
He's the shy awkward kid who goes through a joker arc.
He's basically made for mind break doujins.

>>58065431
The poor baby is never living this down...
JP VA Kiki bosses the other students around in a cute girl voice

Why do people like Keiran?

I just finished teal mask and indigo disk, and I want input, considering i'm looking at what is apparently the #77th Kieran thread.

The story seemed like a higher concept take on what emotional abuse can do to people, but otherwise it seems like it was done very badly and without thought to the fact that it had to be crammed into a game for 8 year olds.

The result is a bipolar story where you cuck/NTR tails the fox until he becomes a school shooter, only to continue doing it, with no narrative differences until he finally breaks and accepts his place on the totem poll.

Are people self identifying as the bullied? As the angry loner?

Is it just because you all want to fuck the child?

I need context.

>>58066792
People like him because he feels genuine and human. The game takes quite a bit of time to flesh him out in a wider context, you're shown his family, his little hick town's culture, what he likes outside of being a Trainer, and this makes him stand out a lot compared to the average, one-dimensional Pokémon character. People don't want to "cuck" him or make him accept his place on the totem pole; they feel guilty over the game's narrative forcing them to lie to him, they want to help him get what he wants, they want to prop him up and be happy. Maybe they see themselves in him, maybe not.
A lot of us want to fuck him, but that's just one piece of the puzzle. If Anons from here only wanted to talk about wanting to fuck him exclusively, I think this general would've petered out long ago.
You don't have to like him, of course. If you don't care for him you don't care for him, end of story. But now you have some context...

>>58066919
>they want to prop him up and be happy
*prop him up and make him happy

>>58066792
>Is it just because you all want to fuck the child?
That’s been most of these threads, yeah.

>>58066792
If you think his story is about NTR, you seriously misunderstood the entire narrative. You missed the entire point of his character arc, like getting over his deeply ingrained self-hatred and his misconception of what "strength" means.

>>58067289

Don't pretend for a minute that the story was nuanced or about things that it wasn't.

Unless you can give me direct transcripts of what the characters said in the japanese language? It's just cope. He even reinforces the message right at the very end.

"My family likes you more, my sister, my friends."

"You're better than me, you took everything from me."

You being stronger than him is a symptom. The issue is you walk into his life and steal everything. You spend 20 minutes in lore with his grandparents, and they sit there praising you and explaining that there's "something wrong" with him.

The entire thing is a very well established despair/trauma jerk off wank material trope you seen in tons of media in japan. The problem is they shoved it into a disney storybook hyper sanitized setting.

Even when he starts to go back to normal, it's shown by his sister fucking bullying him, along with "giving him permission" to "clean up this mess"

It's bizzare, fetishy, and bad.

Please, tell me more about how i'm missing the plot of "the true meaning of strength" as you as the protagonist are forced into over an hour of cutscenes of bullying.

>>58067476
>you seen in tons of media in japan
like?

>>58063136
You basically team up with his abusive sister and his grandfather to gaslight him, bully him and steal away his dreams until he's mindbroken into having a complete personality shift
Then you do it all over again and make him your bitch

>>58067476
you gotta relax man. it's a cute bittersweet whirlwind friend/romance story that plays with the "protagonist always wins" element of video games, without getting super dark... because it's literally a pokemon game

although being able to easily spin the story in an insane worst faith interpretation like this is definitely part of its appeal... really ripe for this type of thing

that's why a lot of people like him and his story i think. versatility!

>>58067476
>Fetishy
Holy terminally online LMAO

>>58067576
Don't spoonfeed

>>58067476
holy reddit spacing
anyway. cute boy. we care him. we love him. simple as.

I feel like anyone that is an outspoken Kieran proponent would be easily convinced to suck your cock, with only the slightest bit of pressure and intimidation.

Do I have that right?

>>58067705
>>58067922
that anon was being somewhat reductionist and hyperbolic but honestly doesn;t seem that far of. The cliff notes of the DLC is, befriend a sweet kid with non-existent self-esteem then betray him and take his dreams from him until he mindbreaks and "goes joker", then publicly humiliate him and mindbreak him again, then steal his new dream, then the immutable gods of game logic beat him down so hard he's accepts he'll never measure up to, all while his bitch sister belittles him and the lazy toothpaste head who bully laughs at him. He even the only one through all this who apologies when he's at MOST only half to blame for this mess. .
It's telling at even here on /kiki/ many of whom who understandably praise the DLC for being of the few times Game Freak managed to write characters worth a damn, dislike how certain parts of the story unfolded (for me its pretty much the entire turtle part)

>Be you, female player character and Kiki's girlfriend
>Playfully tease him about always staring at your chest
>Tell him if he likes them so much he should suck on them
>You're half joking, but the next time you have sex with him he starts sucking on them
>When you finish he starts again
>Pet his head and let him, it feels kinda good and relaxing
>He does it again the next day after class
>You find it flattering, don't try to stop him
>This becomes a daily habit when you're alone together
>Wow he really likes this
>Don't stop him even when you're breasts are getting sore
>Eventually you realize that you're actually producing milk because he's sucked your tits so much
>He's not at all turned off by this, in fact he says that since it's his fault he'll drink it
>Reluctantly agree; again, it feels kinda nice and according to your science textbooks the milk is healthy
>When Kieran has to leave for a week on a school trip for a class you don't attend together it hurts so badly you have to milk yourself
>Can't tell anyone, have to suffer in silence
>When he returns beg him to suck your tits dry

>>58068141
>(for me its pretty much the entire turtle part)
Me2Anon, I don't like how dejected he ends up, especially in the Japanese version...
>>58068193
Fucking hell this is so hot. But how easy would it be to lactate like that, not much I assume...

>>58068274
Actually lactating would require an array of supplements in addition to the physical stimulation but it's hot to imagine...a kink of mine I probably won't ever act on but when it hits me it hit hard and Kiki is perfect for this particular fantasy.

>>58068334
As messy and complicated as I'd imagine... I love this link too especially applied to Kiki but simple, dry tit-sucking is quite enough to do it for me

>>58068193
>Matching clothes with that sleaze ...
>(Drayton)
>Kitakami residents also wear it too though.
Giving Kiki milk huh...

>>58067476
You're literally just trying really hard to see what you want to see. There's nothing fetishy about it, other than "cute shota" maybe.

>>58068623
kikino image

>>58068541
free him

>>58068639
he's warm and cozy in there tho...

>>58068623
Calling it fetishy is making unfounded assumptions about the writers, however Kieran's is a plotline of betrayal and deprivation and if you didn't understand that you might have an empathy problem. A completely innocent character gets kicked in the dick hard like three times in a row for no reason. Some people get off to that and most people are disgusted by it.

>>58068621
That punch has gotta hurt...
>>58068653
Where in Anon's post does it imply they don't feel empathy for him? We know it's about betrayal, that's why we feel for Kieran. Instead of shilling him as perfect and infallible (like Leon for example), GF took a different route with Kieran, presenting him as a sort of "underdog" who never gets his way. That works perfectly with making people love him, because as you said, they feel disgusted at his universe "bullying" him. They want him to be happy, they want to set the universe straight so the odds aren't tipped against him. At least, I personally do.

>>58068682
>That punch has gotta hurt...
It's slutsubata Tojaku putting Kiki's hand onto her breasts, not a punch... Unless you're saying there's going to be a punch after the image, which seems likely.

>>58068653
he's a shorty scrawny loser who doesn't accept what he is, so you put him in his place
this is just life

>>58068856
It may be life, but there's nothing just about it.

>>58068818
Ah shit, I thought it was Kiki throwing a punch with Slutsubata barely blocking him. This is hotter!
Glad the Slutsubata-Tojaku name is sticking, hehe.

>>58068932
>This is hotter!
But wouldn't you prefer if it were (you)/Juli? Then again, I suppose you could say JuliKiki is for cute, romantic heartwarming sweet action, while Slutsubata, is name related.
Glad that you're having so much fun with it.

Why do some people call Kiki "Waya"?

>>58069102
He often says "Wayaja", translated into English as "Wowzers".

>>58069107
Ooooooooh
Wayaja!

>>58069089
>But wouldn't you prefer if it were (you)/Juli?
I would, but somehow, my heart has enough room for Slutsubata. Like you said she's good for ara-ara lewdness, but I can easily imagine her in "sweeter" contests too...

ENG VA SUCKS
PLUCK THE ONION

>>58069202
>Kiki, I've signed you up for the Kalosian class for extra credit, and I'm here to tutor you.
>Here's the first phrase you'll learn: 'Ménage à trois'.

Dork!!

Comfy thread...

>>58069678
comfy waya!

>>58069222
We hould re-harvest the onion so he gets a better voice
>>58069258
Kiki might have his hands full very soon...

>>58069842
>Oi, champion and former champion. You two sure are being lively today too, eh?
>Shuddup!
Drayton needs correction.
>>58069832
>spoiler
Wayaja.

>>58071356
Kiki slurring "urusai" is cute.
>Wayaja.
Thanks to Kiki's voice acting I'm now imagining a particularly cheerful, excited version of "wayaja"... lewd.

>>58072224
>I'm now imagining a particularly cheerful, excited version of "wayaja"...
A great thing to imagine.

Girls, what are we gonna whine about now Kiki is in Mastersex?

>>58072477
Kiki in anime, duh.

>>58062124
>Japanese sounds like a little kid
Because he IS a little kid. Having a shota voice as a kid should be expected. I see no issues with his seiyuu. The only thing I'm actually mad about is that they're using his ugly hairstyle.

>>58073188
You can't put TM Kiki in Masters. It's always postgame versions of characters, with the exception of Rose because postgame Rose is in prison, lol.

>>58073188
They'll give him an alt eventually that will have his hair down, they would be crazy not to but it probably won't have his TM outfit.

>Umaco is posting to pixiv again
>none of their old stuff is back
bweh

>>58074549
Noticed yesterday when I saw the new stuff. I thought the other more recent posts were still there. I, uhh, hope nothing bad happened that made them delete the older stuff... and that this has nothing to do with this general...

>>58074586
We're talking about an artist who draws kikis, I think that's plenty on topic. and the deleting of many kikis made it very annoying for me :<

>>58074598
Well, I meant more like, I hope the reason why they deleted their stuff isn't that we've been reposting it in this general, haha. Boy do I feel you. I do have all their Pixiv stuff saved, some of it I managed to get in the nick of time somehow, before they deleted/privated it. Learned my lesson, you see something you like, you save it. I wonder how much cute Allister stuff I've missed out on for not being as religious with saving art in the past as I am now...
Speaking of, is their older stuff gone from Twitter too perhaps? Since I'm noticing what you're posting is from there.

>>58074625
>Speaking of, is their older stuff gone from Twitter too perhaps?
Nah, it's still there.
https://x.com/umaco_pk/status/1747589155532812689/photo/1
I have link related saved as 115283772_p1.jpg