Thread 58068153

>I want to learn the game, where do I begin?
Download PTCGL at https://tcg.pokemon.com/en-us/tcgl
The game has a quick tutorial and a bunch of decent decks to get you started against other beginners or against the AI. Some of those decks are very close to meta too. You can also go to your local game store and see if people are playing Pokémon.

>I know how to play, how do I make my own deck?
You have a decent beginner's guide at https://www.justinbasil.com/guide
There's also the old /tcg/ guide at https://imgur.com/a/W4NkOu6
After that, look up meta decks and try to reverse engineer them to see how things work.

>Where to find meta decks?
For big irl events, go to https://limitlesstcg.com/decks
For online events, go to https://play.limitlesstcg.com/decks?game=PTCG
For japanese events, go to https://pokecabook.com/archives/1417

Previous thread: >>58034584

Old /tcg/ pastebin: https://pastebin.com/Ge95YuMA

>>58068189
iirc he does it because the collectors keep posting here otherwise

>>58068237
This one wasn't me, but that is the reason I don't do it often. Funnily enough though, I was actually going to use a card this time.

From last thread:

Why do their keep ranking me down to Nest Ball rank each season?

Having to grind back up to Master for the rewards is a huge fucking pain in the ass.

>>58068287
it gives people a reason to keep playing ranked. if you don't enjoy grinding then don't do it. you get more rewards and currency from just doing the battle pass. but if you want to grind fast then just play a turbo deck like dengo or joltik box. matches will be done in like 10 minutes. you also still have almost 3 weeks left before the next reset to climb. you don't have to force yourself to do more than a couple ranked matches a day or play a few hours on a weekend.

>>58068237
they do it any way
fuck off and go back to cart art

>>58069121
We can do cart art
sorry this was a bad joke

>>58069177
Switch cart art should we use though?

>>58066766
Only if I open them, not really a fan of buying cards just because they are pretty. Wish Pokemon wasn't as jewish and allowed this stuff to be included in prize packs. Same as full art supporters and foil pokemon.

>>58068942
Gold cards look so gaudy lol this shit is tasteless.

>>58068153 (OP)
>That top
Wtf bros? I thought Charizard/Pidgeot was dead and buried? It has even more representation than Gardevoir.

Gardevoir is about to represent its cock in your ass this worlds bitch boy

>>58069530
Bo1 is a completely different meta compared to Bo3

>>58069607
It’s really not

>>58068942
Going to put these into an unsleeved deck and mash shuffle

>>58069829
O-oh no please, anything but that...

>>58069829
based

>>58070073
Wait you can also open foil versions of pokemon in prize packs? I haven't been playing for long but all the foil cards I have got were all trainers iirc.

>7weeks 5days left on the battlepass
>Already lvl 80 off just doing 1-2 matches a day for dailies
This is rapid

DANCINGFLAMES25

>>58068153 (OP)
>#11: flareon
huh
I thought the eeveeons sucked

>>58070147
yes some pokemon have a different holofoil pattern in the prize packs

>>58070147
yeh the most useful/played cards receive a cosmos foil in prize packs. You can find the lists on pokemon dot com
Here's the newest series list: https://www.pokemon.com/static-assets/content-assets/cms2/pdf/trading-card-game/checklist/prize_pack_series_7_web_cardlist_en.pdf

>>58070645
Wait is it just me or this list actually slaps, so much good stuff in there. Hope the pull rates aren't abyssmal.

>>58070580
They do, flareons just a spiritual reprint of arcerus vstar attack. so you can use it to power up a bunch of mons. It's essentially replaced terabox as the new "terabox"

>>58070645
>Even in this they still refuse to reprint secret box
KEK
it's going to be another computer search, it's literally better than it too

>>58070673
>slaps
ikr they're the best cards from the previous sets, so it's good to have reprints so prices come down
>pull rates
I don't think there's ever been published pull rates for prize packs, but I myself have opened lots and can say there's an ex/radiant/acespec about every 10 packs, and there's uselful trainers/holo energy about every 2-4 packs. (some packs are shitty with cards you'll never use in your decks)
For example, during series 1 and 2 I managed to get almost all eeveelutions just from playing 2-3 times weekly and opening packs, and I don't even collect them lol, so pull rates are not that bad

>>58068942
thanos and mewtu tag team vibes

So is it generally better to evolve into jellycient and put it on the active early or should I wait until I'm more set up with gardy/munki before that?

>>58071092
if you're against dengo then no getting jellicent out early is probably putting you at a disadvantage.

>>58070073
I never have trouble vs budew. I understood the seethe back when I was stacking ultra balls, poffins, and rare candies, but it’s just as easy to use Supporters for setting up instead.
>b-but I want to use more than one per turn???
Maybe do some breathing exercising and get off of TikTok. Even a crumb of patience will make your playtime infinitely more bearable. Put that energy into seething about something can’t do anything about, because Budew comes with a very clear instruction set for counterplay.

Getting to master ball in TCG live means literally nothing, huh? You can do it if you have a 30% win rate as long as you play enough games in ultra ball. Kind of sucks that you have to grind past all the premade decks for a week or more before you can find people who actually build.

What decks are you anons playing lately? What do you think about them?

>>58073094
I play Dragapult with Budew, Latias, Ursa, Fez, Hawlucha, 2 Munki, a wide variety of supporters for maximum versatility. Aka, the most generic Dragapult deck you can get. It’s gotten me many a win, but I don’t thinks good enough to get a deep run at a tournament.

I also have a half-baked Hydreigon deck where I removed the Varoom line and just focused on early energy generation via Geeta and Crispin. It gets wins against most decks that don’t have a Shaymin and aren’t Rocket decks.

i get that dragapult / dusknoir is by far and away the best deck in the format but can i please play against something else one time today because i genuinely bored of going against the same 60-card deck where the game is decided by the end of their second turn win or lose

>>58073123
Wish granted.

>>58071890
Yaoi hands

>>58073094
4 typhlosion with 2 dracloak, budew, a victin and a shaymin, no 2 prizers
its rough when you have to scramble your 4+ typhlosion but if you dont whiff your first turn you usually get to play the game

also experimenting with yanmega but it feels just a little too weak

>>58073123
The short bus to worlds is going out soon, so they need to practice their addition.

>>58073094
I've largely been a Live player for a good long while and it's a toss-up between the following:
>Raging Bolt ex/Teal Mask Ogerpon ex
I'm running a Squawkabilly ex-backed build, I'm enjoying it but I can see why the Noctowl build is more consistent.
>Joltik Box
I'm liking it but it's very squishy until you set up an attacker like Iron Hands ex or Pikachu ex.
>Gardevoir ex/Jellicent ex
I'm loving how annoying Jellicent ex (and Frillish to some extent thanks to Oceanic Gloom) is but it's super bulky in a bad way.
>Marnie's Grimmsnarl ex/Froslass
I like this deck and annoying it can be but mirrors can get boring.
>Dragapult ex/Dusknoir
I haven't run this deck in a while but seeing still doing well in both physical and online tournaments makes me want to revisit it, especially before Psyduck shits in the competitive waters and makes the deck not so fun to run.

I haven't tested Gholdengo ex or Charizard/Pidgeot but I find those decks to be obnoxious so they're out of the picture.

And with Worlds on the way in less than two weeks and a multi-day spectator ticket in-hand I have to zero in on at least one-to-two decks to run at their side events or I'll just be whale-watching at that point.
>>58073087
>Kind of sucks that you have to grind past all the premade decks for a week or more before you can find people who actually build.
Don't forget the bots running the Charzard ex League Battle Deck, those are just insulting to the player base.

>premade decks
>bots
Why am I matched against meta slaves while everyone else is playing vs new people? Are they keeping track of elo or something? I don't even play a meta deck, and I am still in poke league.

>>58073082
The issue with budew is when you're forced to go 1st and them 2nd. You have no supporter, no attack to set up with. Whatever items you have in hand is what you can use to set up. No pokemon search is gg. Prizing your squawk is gg
They get to item lock you before you can set up properly and now you're massively crippled at being able to set up. Almost every deck doesn't have the luxury of a drakloak tier engine in their evolution lines, your pokemon lines are complete pack filler so without rare candy you have a theme deck on your hands

>just use zoroark or insert draw engine here
how do you expect to get the zoruas out? it's turn 2 now you can finally brock for them if you manage to have that in hand. then turn 3 you can cyrano for the zoroarks if you manage to have that in hand too.
yes in ideal circumstances you'll have the answers in hand but you just don't majority of the time. the game's been designed around items doing everything, you don't remove a crucial piece like that and expect it to function properly afterwards
>just build your deck differently-
even with tatsu in active you're not guarantee to get these supports when you need them. how are you meant to get tatsu out turn 1 if none of your starting items are good as you bricked your deck with more brock/cyrano you can't use turn 1.

>>58073451
I’m not saying to have zero items you can use turn 1. Just stop building decks that fall apart when you can’t do your item carousel, that’s all.

>>58073694
...? i literally just explained why that doesn't work. it's not even about item spam, you know there's less of that now compare to previous eras even before budew became a thing.
the issue is your early turns are useless which is the most important part of the game, don't you remember how many games were decided by turn 1 VIP pass or not? it's that but 1 player gets to use items instead

>Just stop building decks that fall apart when you can’t do your item carousel
This only functions if you have an amazing engine built into your evolution line, like dragapult does. if you swapped drakloaks out for this filler one even dragapult would die vs item locking, much like every other deck

>>58073451
>but what if you get bad luck turn 1?
welcome to literally every single card game in existence
and besides, that's not Budew's fault

>>58073727
>that's not Budew's fault
it kinda is but only due to it being a free attack, that's the core issue of it. all you need is an attachment to retreat into budew to item lock, while other item lockers needed more.
frillish can't be poffin'd and needs a psychic energy
prior ones like bannett/venomoth needed psychic/grass energy + evolution

with budew you get it as a byproduct for the best set up card, poffin and no energy cost lets you splash it in any type deck without issue. free attack lets you use your attachment elsewhere whether its to get budew active or start building up your attackers or prepping munki.

>>58073760
That only explains why Budew is used over others. That doesn't explain why Budew is the reason your first hand is bad.

>>58073787
>Missed the point
Budew investment to item lock is non-existent, so you're not spending a turn delaying your set up to item lock
Frillish and others delay your board progression as you have to invest into the item locking

Your first hand can be trash but vs frillish you've been given 1 turn grace period as your opponent invested in that frillish instead of their board, so you have +1 extra turn to try fix your first starting hand. That 1 turn difference can be the brock into cyrano for your zoroarks you needed to play the game around item lock.

>>58073451
>>58073725
>>58073760
>>58073802
Damn that's a lot of words to say you suck. Everyone else in the game is dealing with it just fine.

why did you even bother replying if you're not going to add anything meaningful to the discussion, retard you should've just said gitgud in that case

just play apples lol

secret box just does too much

I don't even care that it's strong, but it takes like 5 minutes for people to play through the card

Were any of the Dark Pokémon cards any good?

>>58073226 here, I went through my decks and I’m only missing $46-$59 cards from completing three of the decks I posted here.
>Gardevoir ex/Jellicent ex
1x Secret Box
1x Technical Machine: Devolution
1x Lillie’s Clefairy ex
1x Jellicent ex I technically have the two needed to complete the deck but one is a SIR
1x Frillish

>Dragapult ex/Dusknoir
1x Shaymin DRI
1x Latias ex
1x Brock’s Scouting
1x Neo Upper Energy

>Marnie’s Grimmsnarl ex
1x Froslass
1x Munkidori
1x Maractus
2x Night Stretcher
1x Secret Box
2x Technical Machine: Evolution
1x Technical Machine: Devolution

I’m honestly kicking myself for not picking up the Secret Boxes when they were cheap but hindsight is 20/20.
>>58073846
Both apple decks are a meme at best and I’m not 100 percent sure if Lush Forest is enough to make it viable.
>>58074111
>but it takes like 5 minutes for people to play through the card
That’s because they’re getting a general idea of what’s in their deck and what’s in their prize pile, competitive players should have their decks memorized by now.

Secret box is gonna keep rising in price you guys know
>Secret box into mega search soon

Arvens rotating next year, do you know how much secret box is going to skyrocket in price? The only reliable item and tool search then

>>58074483
I already have 2 of them. I'll just Swifch them in and out of decks

>>58074455
Is it worth playing the Jellicent version of Garde? Its less consistent

>they didn't buy secret box when it came out
skill issue

is there a list of all the "X's Y" styled pokemon cards from over all the years? like ethan's typhlosion, team rocket's murkrow, blaine's magmar, etc. it's hard to search since "trainer pokemon cards" is, well, something very different

>>58075363
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Owner%27s_Pok%C3%A9mon_(TCG)

>>58075375
oh shit, owner, should have thought of that, thanks

>>58074536
Ive played it and against it a couple times. I think a 2x line of jelly might be overkill. you can use a 1-1 line of jellicent if you like it. but if everyone in your area is playing dengo and or grimmsnarl then don't play it at all. it doesn't do much against those decks. if anything you would just be using frillish in those games

>>58073830
>cry
>get told it’s not that bad
>cry more and get mad that no one is coddling you
Quit playing the game then.

>>58073094
>ethan's typhlosion
fun deck, brave bangle is nice but the grimmsnarl matchup seems really shakey
>gardevoir
same old garde. jellicent was probably overhyped. I might pick up the turbo munki build for locals since everyone plays grimm here.
>dengo
feels broken now with genesect ex
>miraidon
fun deck. I will probably take it to casual events since I can shut my brain off and amp while people talk to me. I think the addition of zekrom was better for the deck than the eels were.
>great tusk mill
really fun. kinda annoying to get going but at least I don't need to flip heads to mill anything. didn't really add anything to it with the new set other than air balloon.
>pultnoir
I shelved the deck a few months ago but now I'm having withdrawals. I need to curse blast and recon directive again. hilda seems like it made the deck less likely to whiff your evos and energy which I felt like was a huge problem for it after rotation.

>>58073094
Still playing roaring moon. Debating if i want to swap my jamming towers for rocket watchtowers since everyone runs the former already and bloodmoon makes me chimp

I started putting together an apples deck months ago, I'll revisit it when the mega set drops to see how it works with venusaur I guess

>>58076179
>cry
if you read the posts none of it was crying about it. just discussing why it's flawed to have such a minimal investment out to item locking when previously it's been treated and balanced around being a luxury effect

winning 6-0 against dragaqueens when they out damage me is one of the few joys in my life

>>58076067
>>58074536
I’ve compared the decklists of both regular Gardevoir and Gardevoir/Jellicent and there’s both decks share 51 cards between each other with only 9 being unique to each build
Gardevoir
>1x Shaymin DRI
>1x Drifloon SVI
>1x Mew ex
1x Earthen Vessel
1x Buddy-Buddy Poffin
2x Bravery Charm
2x Technical Machine: Evolution

Barring the Shaymin and extra TMs I already have these cards on-hand.
>Gardevoir/Jellicent
1x Cleffa (I run this deck on Live with Mew ex over Cleffa but I can see why it’s used)
1x Klefki
2x Frillish
2x Jellicent ex
1x Rare Candy
1x Technical Machine: Devolution

I already have the stuff in this section but I plan on getting a second regular Frillish ex just so I’m not damaging the SIR copy I have.

I think what I’ll end up doing is shelve the Jellicent build as a “main” deck but it keep it on the side for a nice twist.

I think the bigger question running in my mind right now is if I’m happy running PultNoir or if I should build another Dragapult variant for a side build (Grimm is pretty basic right now).
>>58076659
>Dengo
Sting Cheese Man/Gilded Cinna-Mon is a good deck but it’s worth remembering that, like Gardevoir ex, is rotating out next year.

>>58073094
I only play my loyal three deck now. Because its a big basic deck, I have a lot of space to tech in random shit. It has 6 different attackers with Okidogi ex and Pecharunt ex able to do 300+ damage, and its pretty easy to set up a board to counter budew. It has a zero play percentage, and I still usually win vs meta decks.
Meta chasers are subhuman and illiterate, so they don't read my cards, still waste 5 minutes per turn, and lose.

This little guy has been good for me lately. Not sure if it's better than budew or cleffa (probably not) but it has helped me get some KOs here and there.

Sealed """""""""""collectors"""""""""" deserve to be sealed alive in a shallow grave

I really wish you dumb fucking retards would stop posting jap cards, seriously kill yourselves

>>58070073
drew this because I love him

>>58080530
>stop posting japanese cards
cry.

>>58080530
sure
sure

I gotta buy like a dozen air balloons

Just played the coolest thing at my friend's house. He's really into Lorcana and we played the PvE mode. It has a game board like a board game and the boss has its own deck. It even has different difficulty settings. You can play solo or cooperative. I really, really, really want something like this for Pokémon.

>>58081572
fuck off pedo

>>58081623
Wut?

>>58081632
He's mad cause he has no friends.

>>58076796 here, I managed to complete my three decks (with 9 swappable cards for Gardevoir) and I only had to go 4 bucks over my initial $80 budget.
>>58081559
I still have plenty from the SWSH days, those fuckers were insanely common in packs and the Trainer’s Toolkits.
>>58081572
Lorcana is a game I wanted to get into but the monetary cost of a competitive deck is anywhere between 3-to-4 times higher than a competitive Pokémon TCG deck.

>go to league
>get forced to the back tables due to pedocana
>literal grown ass men playing against children wearing mickey ears
>fat fucking women breaking chairs

non serious card game made for grooming kids.

>>58081760
Anon... we have literal kids that play our game. I don't think we should be throwing stones in a glass house

dizney groooms more kids then pokemon, retard

Anyway... yeah a PVE product for Pokémon sounds cool to me. Perhaps theme them around certain trainers and make it your goal to defeat them.

We already had PVE content

Those who know, know the real villains here

>Online
BASED!

>>58081777
>child grooming expert
based?

>>58081572
that sounds similar to the raid boss thing they have at the regional side events

I like Iono

>>58074483
Megaevolutions will not be playable outside Gardevoir. We'll see if Phantasm Flames has anything worth.

>>58081572
Lorcana sounds like a good game, it's unfortunate it's about disneyslop or else I would get into it.

Everyone is bitching and crying about not getting secret box for >$10 when they had the chance but can we talk about luminous energy? Why is it $2 a card and hard to find?


Will it remain relevant or should I just grab neo upper energy and stick to basic energy? Legacy energy seems to be used a lot too now

>>58083196
latias spamming 300 (330 with stadium) cant be overlooked
1:1 manectric works for zekrom
camerupt is okay and shits on dengo meta
the rest suck ass yeah, gardevoir is going to stomp the meta even without the mega

>charge up scream tail/driftloon
>devo your gardy ex
>no 2 prize liability on board now

>>58083689
Munkidori meta has made luminous a good option
Munki should see use throughout mega era too, with that much HP throwing back 30-60 can matter a lot

>>58083200
Nigga you play pokeyman, the sloppiest of the slop

>>58070073
I fucking love the cosmo holo pattern
the stamp chucks willy but its a small price to pay
>>58078492
i really wanted to use it in my typhlosion deck but killing budew alone wasnt enough for me

>latinx still whining about a $15 card itt
I hate you broke subhumans so much

Why is night stretcher so expensive now? They need to reprint this card already.

>>58084906
From the least popular collectors set, and its a special set so there's no easy to get booster boxes, it's all special products. There's no supply since nobody wants to open that shit

>>58081638
>Lorcana is a game I wanted to get into but the monetary cost of a competitive deck is anywhere between 3-to-4 times higher than a competitive Pokémon TCG deck.
wait, really? that bad?

I've decided to shift away from building Gardevoir/Jellicent and shift to a more consistent Gardevoir build, specifically the one that got second at Singapore's Master Ball League tournament.
>https://limitlesstcg.com/decks/list/18650
Although I am wondering if having a one-of Frillish tech is a good idea for a Budew spin-off. Oceanic Gloom is basically a better Itchy Pollen and 80 HP is much better than 30 HP but it costs one Psychic rather than being a free attack and Frillish's retreat cost of 3 is worrying.

Oh. and I'm still sticking with the builds I have for Dragapult (although I could build PultZard if I wanted to) and Grimmsnarl. I think they're consistent enough.
>>58085691
Yep, the problem with Lorcana's meta deck prices are largely based on the pull rates of Legendary-rarity cards (which have a ~2% pull rate). Some of which are meta cards, cost around 10-30 bucks per copy, and meta decks tend to run 3-4 copies of.

I'm losing my fucking mind looking for cards at MSRP.
Vending machine runs, Target & Walmart are taking up a couple of hours every day. I am ready to stop completely; I'm losing more money driving around looking for this shit than anything. I'm not even trying to look for something to scalp - I'm just trying to open cards with friends.

>>58086781
I also have the same problem. You're not going to have luck irl. All the things I've bought this year are purely online.
https://x.com/PokemonRestocks
This can help if you're willing to check it once or twice a day. They let you know if there's a drop happening.

>I'm just trying to open cards with friends.
Collector shit

any sites to buy singles with decent amount of stock for commons/uncommons?
what I often find is a site selling singles but only ex full arts at exhorbitant prices, I need my Hilda playset for building my stuff

>need to use a fire deck for a daily quest
>queue up with the reshiram deck they hand you
>dab all over a dragaqueen

>>58086964
If you are eu you can use catdmarket and search for sellers with x quantity or make a list and search for matching vendors
Usa is tcgplayer i think?

i'm trying to test a few changes to my deck but my opponents are all single-celled organisms and i can't work out if they're better or worse as a result
like i'll get the most dogshit prizing and then they just iono myself out of a hand where i played 2 cards last turn

>Garchomp actually becomes a competent deck with Forest + Power Protein but it doesn't matter because Gardy is Tier 0
Rotation can't come soon enough.

>>58088636
>Forrest Chomp
Ooh, I hadn't considered that. Getting 60 extra damage from out of nowhere could be a funny play.

>>58088636
Gardy is way too oppressive why did they ever give it so many tools after. Even lugia they ceased printing special energy almost immediately

Gardy has only ever been oppressive during the Brilliant Stars - Twilight Masquerade format. Every other format it's been somewhere between a tier 1 and tier 4 deck.

Started playing this for the first time since playing pic related, actually having a lot of fun, the game feels a lot more fair compared to other online tcg's i've played. Currently playing a Charizard Pidgeot deck, got enough resources to craft any of the meta decks, just can't figure out which one I want

>opponent chooses to go second
>Iono my three supporters out of hand
>Budew
>draw no supporters, can't search for any draw engines
>Budew
>same again
>Budew
>top deck my attacker
>KO Budew, hope they don't have night stretcher in hand
>night stretcher :^)
>Boss benched Pokémon
>Budew
I pulled out a win in the end, only because they seemed to have dead hands at the start too. Honestly fuck Budew, I hate that I'm forced to play it too and bring the match to a grinding halt or get stalled out while my opponent sets up their ebin multi-prize turn combo.

>>58086679
>80 HP id much better than 30 HP
Not really considering you can't use poffin for it.

>>58089681
base set is quite broken, if you're not playing against another person, the AI is a bit too easy
any kind of blastoise or venusaur deck is already more than enough
haymaker decks almost make the game too easy
especially if you abuse the coin flip mechanics

TRAINER TOOLKIT 2025 REVEALED
It's gonna feature Fezandipiti Ex and no secret box LMAO

https://www.pokeguardian.com/2646353_trainer-s-toolkit-2025-contains-fezandipiti-ex

>poorchuds keep crying
based!

>>58090253
Richtrannies repent, the day of the reprint is nigh.

Secret box really is going to skyrocket in price now lmao >>58070696
No print

>>58090570
This. If anything you should get your copy of secret box right now, it won't get cheaper for the foresseable future. Prize pack series 7 and this trianer toolkit were the last hope. I doubt it will get printed in the mega gengar battle deck.

Right now Gardy is a clear tier 0 in Japan, it's sickening. The extra draw of the stadium + the late game Mega Gardy wall of death is just insurmountable consistently. Mega Lucario is a good deck but has a near 100% loss rate to Gardy, Mega Venusaur is a decent deck but can't tank vs Gardy, same with Garchomp, Camerupt is an enigma with like 5 builds but can't beat Gardy, and Grimmsnarl and Charizard have to highroll gusts to beat it, it's insane. Pult is like the only thing that has a chance.


Rotation is going to completely open up the meta.

>>58090703
>Rotation is going to completely open up the meta.
It will be just a pultfest.

>>58090703
This stadium is beyond disgusting.
>What if we put genesect v on a stadium card
No other type besides psychic would get a stadium this strong

>b-b-but vitality forest...
1. you need good grass types for that to be worth shit
2. you still need to find said grass types in hand

Mega Sur Knight ex, standing up in the mystery garden. As many people expected, it was a tier one out of the head.

Considering the way the weight to Megasar Night ex and the frequency of use of the mystery garden, the difficulty of construction is high, and it is still in a state of groping.
Because the deck specs are high, no matter how you put it together, the strength will come out as it is, but the key construction intention is still opaque.

This construction intention is directly connected to the way of turning the deck as it is.
If the construction intention is ambiguous, it will be in a situation where you can somehow win with only the deck power without knowing how to turn it strong. This is not what many players want.

For this reason, many people are currently trying to build Sarnite's conclusions. Expect a sophisticated list created by professional players.

>>58091419
who tf is sur knight

>>58091541
Garde's original name.

>>58073094
Tinkaton: Lots of fun drawing like crazy and very capable until you get Iono'd to 2.
Eevvee box: it can beat everything on the meta but resource mis-management can punish you big time on the late game.
Marnie grimmsnarl with froslas, munkidori: the deck plays by itself and is definitely tier 1 but i think the upcoming grass decks will kill it.

>Friend mentioned the possibility of GLC-format side event being present at Worlds
>tfw you have no decks built for 'em
Looks like I'll have to do some more hunting, I already have three decks in mind and some are more complete that others thanks to the allowance of foreign-language cards.
also...
>All of this complaining about Secret Box not being in this year's Trainer's Toolkit or this year's recent Prize Packs.
Those things are usually made at least a year in advance and with the idea of a hypothetical meta in mind. It's why you have a mix of current meta cards (Fezandipiti ex) and low-tier or past top-tier cards (Hyper Aroma and Maximum Belt) in the Toolkit.
>>58091647
>but i think the upcoming grass decks will kill it.
Japan's meta says otherwise, even with a nerfed FoGP Grass decks still aren't doing too well thanks to other decks in the format.
>>58089810
That's a good point, you could use Artazon or Nest Ball to fish it out but there are better targets for it.

>>58091812
if that loser lucario makes it there where is camerupt

>>58091821
If you're going to make a joke out of my post you could at least respond to it properly.

That said it IS a meme format, it's why I'm fine with GLC being at side events rather than dedicating proper tournaments to it.
>>58091828
Mega Camerupt ex is a Fire-type with two middling attacks whilst Mega Lucario ex is a Fighting-type with two decent attacks

>psychic patch
yeah, i'm flying to japan to kill this gardy fucker still giving gardy support

>>58091828
There is no consensus on Camerupt's decklist yet, so it's not showing up much. It also can't beat Gardevoir.

Mega Gengar ex - Darkness - HP350
Stage 2 - Evolves from Haunter

Ability: Shadow Hiding
If 1 of your [D] Pokemon is Knocked Out by damage from your opponent's Pokemon ex, your opponent takes 1 less Prize card. This effect does not stack.

[D][D] Void Gale: 230 damage. Move 1 Energy from this Pokemon to 1 of your Benched Pokemon.

Mega Evolution ex rule: When your Mega Evolution Pokemon ex is Knocked Out, your opponent takes 3 Prize cards.

Weakness: Fighting (x2)
Resistance: none
Retreat: 2

Too bad that Gardevoir attacks with single prizers and damage manipulation.

>>58091812
So how’s the tiering work, S=broken and meta defining, A=the meta, B=decent but niche, Not listed=complete crap? It’s just odd seeing a teir list with only 3 teirs with B as the lowest

Punk Helmet - Trainer
Pokemon Tool

When the Active [D] Pokemon this Tool is attached to is damaged by an opponent's attack, put 4 damage counters on the Attacking Pokemon.

You may attach any number of Pokémon Tools to your Pokémon during your turn. You may attach only 1 Pokémon Tool to each Pokémon, and it stays attached.

Might be okay for grimmsnarl, except you can't attach tm devo to the active as a follow-up.

>>58092040
Gardevoir-ex wouldn't use it since it doesn't give damage for drifloon, munki, or scream tail. It's for rocket's mewtwo.

>>58092086
It's probably play percentage (>10%, 5-10%, 2-5%)

>>58092096
RIP Boss Pockets Honchkrow, you would have loved this.

>>58092085
What if we made Zard a single prizer, haha

DID PSYCHIC REAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLY NEED THIS??????????

NOT FIGHTING OR WATER????????

ENJOY YOUR (MEGA) GARDEVOIR META POST ROTATION

>>58092124
You know what'd be funny
If they printed a psychic dreepy again :^)

>>58092124
Mega garde is dead after rotation, dark types will be able to take advantage of the weakness when you have to put your 3 prizer in the active to set up.

>>58092096
>Gardevoir-ex wouldn't use it since it doesn't give damage for drifloon, munki, or scream tail. It's for rocket's mewtwo.
screencaping this for when I see it in a deck and can come back to call you a retard

>>58092096
Team Rocket's Mewtwo probably likes the card in practice but it doesn't really need the card either. Team Rocket's Spidops fuels Erasure Ball's "Discard up to two Energy on your Benched Pokémon" requirement (in addition to being a nice anti-Grimmsnarl tech) and the attack's PPC requirement is better off being filled with Team Rocket's Energy and a random Basic.

>>58092139
you say that like dark is doing anything vs it now. grim can 3 prize is easily but gardy is still being saved by dragapult killing off him for it. dragapult is still untouched pot-rot so it will continue protecting gardevoir from the dark decks
until there's a dark deck capable of also beating dragapult gardevoir will remain protected. mega gengar doesnt look good enough for it. it's ability wont work on the damage counters

>>58092162
>dragapult is still untouched pot-rot
No more free KOs on 70hp dark basics unless Dragapult damages their own pokemon with the new stadium. Some dark decks still have munkidori to bounce damage counters back.

>>58092183
dusknoir? even crobat?
also you really overestimate how many decks can fit munki in. only decks that can play slow with a built in draw-engine like dragapult which can afford the manual attachments. or decks with energy cheating that don't need manual attachments. your mega gengar or hydreigon deck are reliant on manual attachments. munki isn't a free flex and luminous is rotating too

>Gengar looks playable
>Wont have a FA or SIR because it's a battledeck
cringe

>>58092200
Luckily dragapult can't just pop dusknoir, use item gust, and a draw supporter all the same turn to wipe your bench after rotation. Also, KOing budew would no longer give dragapult a huge advantage in momentum.
On the flip-side, losing counter catcher hurts the dark decks like Zoroark and Grimmsnarl.

>they really printed Psychic Patch
lol
lmao

Psychic Patch also allows Jellicent to function without Gardy at all. You just plug in Relicanth and attach to the monkeys while you item lock with your 20 damage attack before you eventually get to your triple acceleration.

I really don’t understand why you guys simply don’t kneel

Keep in mind mega gallade will also evolve from the same evolution line

If you had any doubts about gardevoir being meta lmao

>Ability: Diamond Coat
>This Pokemon takes 30 less damage from attacks.
>[P][P] Garland Ray: 120x damage. Discard up to 2 Energy from this Pokemon. This attack does 120 damage for each Energy discarded in this way.
Shit, I misread that as 120 +120 for each discarded energy but that is genuinely garbage.

>>58092321
because I can just boss and make it rain

So who are we betting on winning Worlds next week?

I suppose Gardevoir is the obvious answer but now that Gholdengo is A-tier and *actually* has a favored matchup against Gardy (unlike Grimmsnarl, which is close to 50:50 with good players as shown at NAIC), it's a bit more difficult to decide.

Honestly, I'd still bet on Gardy.

That deck is way too flexible and can be built to have a closer matchup while the Dengos are going to get cucked by all the Chi-Yu, Flareon and Typhlosion.

>Playmat
Why do they show it as a mouse pad?

>>58093290
iron thorns ex will win again

>>58092085
>If 1 of your [D] Pokemon is Knocked Out by damage from your opponent's Pokemon ex, your opponent takes 1 less Prize card. This effect does not stack.

I'm almost confident this will be reprinted in some regard then. You can otherwise forever stall with mega gengar throwing 0 prizers at you until mega gengar can be gusted

>>58093531
That ex clause means they won't print any counters to it.
The didn't re-print cologne to stop the 250hp crab so why would they do anything about Gengar?

>>58092124
Mega Garde would already have the option of owls and glass trumpet for more acceleration post rotation. It only needs a single energy attachment and the owls can also fetch your wally. Although the psychic patch gets your clefairy or dedenne-ex powered up in a single turn.

>>58092321
Thia deck is munlidori and his bitch.

>>58093622
>That ex clause means they won't print any counters to it.
There's very few 1 prizers worth using and even cope options like chi-yu wont be able to kill yveltal in one hit. Unless it's a dedicated 1 prize deck like typlosion or apples you can essentially be walled. even after all that you need to have ex capability of ohkoing 350 HP too, possibly twice throughout a game. Without a simple means of gusting up the gengar this seems a little too degenerate

>>58093674
>Unless it's a dedicated 1 prize deck like typlosion or apples you can essentially be walled
my prediction is that mega genga will be a fine deck that has decent match ups in the meta but will always auto scoop to that one person playing okidogi

>Only 20k
>Nothing to spend it on bcause we STILL CAN'T CRAFT CARDS FROM JOURNEY TOGETHER

>is in one of the most popular decks
>eats your 3 prizer for lunch

>>58093745
you don't need to craft all those SIRs anyways. take the low rarity pill and wake up from the simulation.

>>58093747
>Raging Bolt
>Post rotation
>No vessel
>No sada
At least the grass and fighting coverage can attack dark types but you are falling behind on energy attachments with only crispin.

>>58093804
I would use higher rarities more but the deck builder is awful for switching them around any time you import a new deck.

>>58093622
>The didn't re-print cologne to stop the 250hp crab

>mad at crustle
lol
lmao even

>>58093804
I suffered for years on PTCGO getting the bare minimum cards because it was so expensive... let me enjoy my full arts...

>>58093674
The "take one less prize" gimmick isn't threatening if all you do with it is retreat lock for 20 every turn. What happens if the opponent plays a single munkidori? This isn't going to be the expanded lock deck (supporter lock sableye to block gust, stadium lock ninetales to block bumping black market prism to give up 0 prizes while blocking items to itself, dual brains magnezone for infinite recovery) where you can't just keep attacking and run them out of 0-prizers.
Your simple means of gusting gengar is that every deck will be running 4 boss.

>Meta is counter catcher spam
Do retards take this shit seriously or do they go to worlds just to molest children?

buddy it's a card game we don't need to know your kinks

Damn Archaludon ex is f*cking awesome, I'm surprised at how fun and effective this deck is.

>>58094732
yeah arch is a pretty fun deck as long as it's not poison arch. I wanted to mess around with the rocket bomb build I saw at japan but dengo is too popular right now.

POWEROFTUSK25

FA haxorus line

>>58095022
neat thanks

I know the answer, but I'll ask anyway
I got series seven prize packs already from my organizer, can I use the cards already, or do I wait until the 14th?

TCG player order was messed up. The dude sent me 4 Budew instead of 4 Buddy-Buddy poffins. He refunded the whole thing and let me keep all the cards including the other 4 or 5 card that weren't incorrect.

>>58095261
Ability: Rivalry