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Anonymous No.58081653 >>58081661 >>58081669 >>58082607 >>58083386 >>58083400 >>58084502 >>58084828
>Foe Muk used Minimize!
Anonymous No.58081660 >>58081669 >>58082581 >>58084960
one of the things omgon objectively gets right is banning that shit
it's not fun to play against
it's not fun to use
it removes all agency from both players as it devolves battles into just pure RNG with no meaningful decisions unless someone brings a move that's only useful for countering a single tactic that the overwhelming majority of teams don't run in any format that allows it anyways
Anonymous No.58081661 >>58081669
>>58081653 (OP)
>muk
Better to deal with that than a minimize blissey
Anonymous No.58081669 >>58081673 >>58084481 >>58084913
>>58081653 (OP)
>>58081660
>>58081661
>pidgey uses aerial ace!
Anonymous No.58081673
>>58081669
>evasion mon tanks the hit anyways and toxics your pidgey
nice job retard
Anonymous No.58082581 >>58082616
>>58081660
To be fair this sounds like Stal in general. I don't see why Evasion Stall is banned when other forms of stall are not.
Anonymous No.58082607
>>58081653 (OP)
>high evaison now makes you get proportionally higher damage
fixed
Anonymous No.58082616
>>58082581
other forms of stall still let you do chip damage. it’s slow but it’s consistent. evasion stops you from doing anything unless you get lucky.
Anonymous No.58083386 >>58083395 >>58084913
>>58081653 (OP)
>Azurill used perish song!
Anonymous No.58083395
>>58083386
muk is faster by 30 base speed
also switching exists
Anonymous No.58083400 >>58084533 >>58085471
>>58081653 (OP)
>*Stomps u*
Anonymous No.58084481 >>58084518 >>58084558 >>58084952
>>58081669
Not even banded Staraptor can 2HKO Blissey with Aerial Ace. What chance do other Pokemon stand?

>252 Atk Choice Band Staraptor Aerial Ace vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 276-325 (42.3 - 49.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Anonymous No.58084502
>>58081653 (OP)
Fought a Minimize Muk in Sapphire's Battle Tower with my Aggron. First time I saw Struggle, which I had to use to win the battle because it had no moves that could hit me and everything I had missed until I ran out.
Anonymous No.58084518 >>58084520
>>58084481
Just use Work Up first
Anonymous No.58084520
>>58084518
>Banded

>+1 252 Atk Staraptor Aerial Ace vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 276-325 (42.3 - 49.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Anonymous No.58084533
>>58083400
Haha. Imagine not wanting to be smothered by giant feet. Haha.
Anonymous No.58084558 >>58084701 >>58084913 >>58084952
>>58084481
>252+ Atk 0 IVs Choice Band Tera Flying Salamence Aerial Ace vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Blissey: 402-474 (61.6 - 72.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
get fucking owned retard
Anonymous No.58084607
All fun and games to start talking about 100% accurate moves until this fucker starts spamming double team
>+1 Salamence used Aerial Ace!... oops, did 20%
>Lucario used Aura Sph- wait nevermind
>Clefable used Swif- err, scratch that
>Regieleki used Shockwave? About 25%
Lets hope people don't figure out max special defense investment would make it unbeatable then.
Anonymous No.58084701
>>58084558
>Terastallization

252+ Atk Choice Band Tera Flying Salamence Aerial Ace vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Tera Steel Blissey: 220-259 (33.7 - 39.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Anonymous No.58084828 >>58084849
>>58081653 (OP)
Double Team/Minimize raise your speed by respective stages
Snow Cloak/Sand Veil raise the opposite defensive stat their respective weathers boost by 50%
Bright Powder now causes moves with the “Light” category (Dazzling Gleam, Photo Geysey, Daimond Storm, etc.) to have x1.2 power.
Defog’s evasion lowering is replaced by Subsitute removal (both sides) so that you can use Defog on Contrary Pokemon to boost evasion.
Anonymous No.58084849
>>58084828
Also while we’re at it
>Flinching
Only possible on Fake Out and Upper Hand and any other future move that had 100% flinch chance based on specific comditions.
King’s Rock boosts Regal type attacks by x1.1
>Paralysis
Using attacking moves causes 1/4th recoil instead of just losing a turn
>Sleep/Freeze
convert them into their PLA counterparts
>Accuracy on moves
You can’t miss, but instead you roll between different damage. So Blizzard having 70% accuracy will deal between 77-110 BP of damage.
Anonymous No.58084913 >>58084921
>>58081669
>>58083386
>>58084558
The best part about all these types of posts is that none of this shit actually beats Evasion.
Yes, these moves bypass accuracy, but none of them actually beat the Pokemon spamming Evasion, much less can beat every version of Evasion spam.
Like yeah, you can hit them, but its either with a pathetically weak move or with a status move that might force them out after having done their damage and forced you into a certain position where you had to switch in your specific Evasion counter in, allowing the Evasion spammer to bring in a strong counter to that for free. Like someone is using Double Team Koko and while you send in your PS Gengar they just U-turn and send in Dragapult.
That is also not to mention how Evasion “counters” can be so easily re-countered. Like mentioned before, say you had Aerial Ace Staraptor and one of your opponent’s Evasion spammers is Tapu Koko. Despite having the le “counter” you still lose against Evasion spam because Double Team/Minimize is on several dozen Pokemon you need to account for while also accounting for the other hundreds of Pokemon.
Anonymous No.58084921
>>58084913
>Seel uses sheer cold!
Anonymous No.58084952
>>58084481
>>58084558
thank you for reminding me that there were 7 fucking generations where blissey got access to minimize

thank fuck blissey's flaws are far easier to exploit in the only formats that allow that shit (aka vgc)
Anonymous No.58084960
>>58081660
It’s been years and I’m still baffled fucking evasion is the hill people choose to die on.
Anonymous No.58085471 >>58085479
>>58083400
Fun story; Stomp deals more damage to Minimized foes. I am not even joking.

Now Gamefreak could do something neat by turning Swallow into a OHKO move if enemy is Minimized.
Anonymous No.58085479
>>58085471
that would first require them to remember that move exists
and actually do anything to make it not completely useless