Thread 58107546

>>58107546 (OP)
If SV had another year of dev time they'd have been the definitive pokemon games.

Gen 5 rivals (N included) are the beginning of the annoying friend group, they are as annoying as gen 6’s

>>58107546 (OP)
They stopped making 3rd versions because they weren't as profitable. Ironically Platinum as you mention it was the last time. Gen 5 did two, Gen 6 skipped it, Gen 7 did two, and then it was just Switch paid DLC afterward.

>>58107546 (OP)
>slightly improving pokémon distribution from total shit to mild shit
>adding a new scene to the terrible story like we cared about it
>fixing the game

>>58107611
>implying gen 4 didn't have the most annoying rival

>>58107622
To be honest Gen 5 only did two because a sequel for split versions being one game makes no sense, especially with the themes it explores.

>>58107628
Well two things:
A) They framed it that way, as sequels with semi-fusions instead of a resolved fusion back into the original dragon, to deliberately choose 2 games to make.
B) They could have scripted it to make sense as one game if they really wanted, just as they scripted the relevance of a new MC being followed in the same region despite it being a continuation.

>>58107663
>just as they scripted the relevance of a new MC being followed in the same region despite it being a continuation.
>a continuation
I don't think that word means what you think it means

>>58107546 (OP)
BW1 early game (up until Nimbasa city) is as boring as the unskippable tutorials in later gens.

>>58107674
>noun
>That which follows; a succeeding part; continuation.

>>58107546 (OP)
Here’s a wild and crazy idea. Game freak can just make the game right the first time

Flygon doesn't have it bad like people say it does.
People only say Flygon has it bad because it's the only gen 3 Dragon type Pokemon to not have a mega evolution.

It's actually good for a playthrough, which can't be said for Pokemon that actually have it bad like Tropius or Camerupt, and that's just examples for gen 3.

>>58107611
This. Pokemon is so shit it didn't deserve a proper story or cast

>>58107546 (OP)
What flaws?

>>58107841
things were cut in development

>>58107546 (OP)
Zygarde plushie sad.

>>58107663
How'd they handle the places with version differences like Opelucid City?

>>58107693
I would disagree personally.

>>58107622
Gen 5 made a full sequel full of content, Gen 7 sold the same game 4 times

>>58108810
Simple. Have a new gym leader occupy the slot. Not like they didn't introduce new gym leaders in B2W2. For stuff like Braviary vs Mandibuzz they can just have both with different appearance conditions, e.g. season.

>>58107546 (OP)
Pokémon only exists up to Gen 3. Everything after that is headcanon nonsense.

>>58108942
>Gen 1: Tajiri
Canon
>Gen 2: Tajiri-Masuda
Canon
>Gen 3: Masuda
Canon
>Gen 4-5-6: Masuda
Not canon because anon says so

>>58108944
Yes, thank you for agreeing.

>>58107546 (OP)
what are xy's flaws?
it's not unplayable like DP

>>58109096
The interesting thing about XY is that it explores Lysandre more than DP ever did with Cyrus

Ugly pokemon don't deserve to be viable.

>>58109101
Doesn't explain why is plan is so poorly thought out

>>58108912
So replace Opelucid with something else?

>>58109096
It's unfinished and needed Z.

>>58108823
what they did with USUM is disgusting and lazy. It should have been a new set of mcs set a couple of years after SM like BW2. We could see the a reformed aether foundation/Lusamine, reformed team Skull, new captains, and a new set of villans. However we just get the same ol story with a jammed in Ultra Recon stuff. The Rainbow Rocket stuff was kind of cool

>>58107721
PLA

>>58107721
BW

>>58109134
unfinished how?

>>58107942
so? every game has things cut in development.

>>58107553
False, GF slapped SV in a month and would have done nothing else regardless of extra time given because youll buy it anyway

>>58107546 (OP)
XY would've had to massively overhaul the difficulty. You can't even cripple yourself into making that game slightly challenging it's so fucking boring.

>>58109439
This. Gen 5 had the same issue and BW2 didn’t fix it.

>>58109465
hi yawnie

>>58109124
Could either be a new Opelucid gym leader or a new city/town's gym to battle instead, especially when they established Ghetsis was going around and destroying Unova, they could've made Opelucid a casualty if they wanted

>>58109406
It had a significantly higher amount of cut content compared to all the others as seen in the teraleaks, which can easily be vseen via TCRF.

>>58107546 (OP)
>Gen 6 would have been good if they theoretically made a good game
Yeah man, I guess.

>>58109439
Yeah. Every other game had at least one battle that requires thought.

>>58109539
>It had a significantly higher amount of cut content
it has more routes than BW and the same number of routes as BW2
it has the battle tower with the most content in the franchise and multiple extra replayable facilities on top of that
it has rematchable gym leaders, unlike BW
it has super training and amie, unlike BW and BW2
it has trainer customization, unlike BW and BW2
it has fish chaining and multiple fishing rods, unlike BW and BW2
it has pokeradar, unlike BW and BW2
it has berry farming, unlike BW and BW2
it has high quality animations for all the Pokemon, unlike BW and BW2

where's the "significantly higher amount of cut content"?

>>58107546 (OP)
XY doesn't have any flaws to fix. It doesn't have dogshit Pokemon distribution or slow battle speed like Platinum (which is apparently the fixed version) does.

>>58109601
>>58109605
>>58109465
yawntrvkes

>>58109601
The tera leak. There's a whole bunch of locations cut, story content, customization options and even an equivalent of the Battle Frontier.

>>58109613
>The tera leak
The final game

>>58109601
None of that is cut content.

>>58109613
>There's a whole bunch of [FANFIC]
zzz

>>58109615
It is in gen 5.

>>58109614
Anything that was not in the final game but was in the teraleaks was cut. Do you not understand this?

>>58109620
>Anything that was not in the final game but was in the teraleaks was cut
So?

>>58109601
It has rematchable elite fou-ACK!

>>58109620
Anything that was in the final game was not cut. And the content that's there is more than BW and BW2. Do you not understand this?

>>58109623
?

>>58109631
Post their teams.

>>58109622
The point is that XY has a lot of cut content, arguably the most in the series.

>>58109863
So?

>>58109623
There is. Unfortunately there's no reason to match them. They're the biggest pushovers out of every E4 rematch.

>>58109625
Yes that's true. Anything that was NOT in the final game, that was planned at some point was cut. Also that last bit is false. In terms of overall content, it takes longer to complete BW2, not too sure about the original BW.

>>58109866
I literally just mentioned the point of the argument, which you can verify and you just said 'so?'. Therefore you concede.

>>58109874
>I literally just mentioned the point of the argument
What's the point of the argument?

>>58109873
>Also that last bit is false. In terms of overall content, it takes longer to complete BW2

>>58108912
Opelucid's difference is more than just the gym leader.
The whole city's theming is completely different across versions.

>Platinum did for Diamond and Pearl’s
Platinum dexcutted Glameow doebeit

>>58109882
I find that hard to believe. BW2 took me more than 200 hours to complete and XY barely took 100

>>58109882
Howlongtobeat is notorious for being wrong. It's generally right with Main Story length, but completionust is often completely wrong.

>>58109882
I find that easy to believe. XY took me more than 200 hours to complete and BW2 barely took 100

>>58110006
>Howlongtobeat is notorious for being wrong
your unsubstantiated anecdotes are even more notorious for being wrong

>>58108823
In spite of almost being the exact same games, the little touches in USUM dramatically improved the game and actually made it palatable to play one more time. If they added a cutscene skip like every other modern video game I'd actually think about replaying it instead of dreading the idea, shame about the whole SM part of USUM though.

>>58110034
How? Were you rushing BW2 at like 3x emulator speed? What is there in XY that takes more than 200? I did the Battle Maison, Chateau and entire Essentia story in just over 50, it took me that same length of time to max out Pokéstar Studios in BW2.

>>58110069
To be fair, he might just be considering B2W2 "complete" upon doing all the semi-repetitive content once (even if there's still plenty of variety, some of the medals are kind of stodgy) and chose not to use any of the incredibly busted Battle Maison teams and went for all the statues and the berries in at least one format.

>>58110003
How? Were you rushing XY at like 3x emulator speed? What is there in BW2 that takes more than 200? I did the Battle Subway, White Treehollow, and entire Yancy story in just over 50, it took me that same length of time to max out Super Training in XY.

>>58107553
A year isn’t enough to fix Penny’s dogshit design

>>58110076
I did the whole Maison in 50-ish hours. Every format with at least a 200 win streak. I also just used my playthrough team with optimized EVs for most of it.

Heck, the Subway, which has less formats overall took me a similar amount of time.

>>58107546 (OP)
The ultra warp ride minigame was more fun to play than the entirety of USUM

>>58110078
1. Parroting is an admission of defeat.
2. I played both games on original hardware. So there's no way for me to speed up.
3. I was done with Super Training in like 30 minutes. The Yancy story took a similar amount of time.

Meganium is the easy mode starter

>>58109995
Let's not pretend there aren't a number of creative steps they could've taken to bypass whatever differences they had in a way that homogenizes or obscures or ignores them.

>>58109601
>>58109618
And yet Gen 5 still has the superior games by mere courtesy of having smooth and faster battles, having the better story (for Pokémon standards) with BW, not being as piss-easy as XY, no lag, a higher amount of new creatures, not dick-riding KANTOOOOOO every 5 second and animated sprites that, no matter how much you'll cry about them being "ugly", still have more personality and thought put into them than the lazy, static 3D models from XY onwards. Funny how things work!

>>58110243
Technically it's the hard mode starter. Though in my personal opinion, Meganium + Graveler/Golem is a strong combo that can solo the game.

>>58110281
While I agree with you, the retard you're arguing with will not accept this, no matter how much evidence you present.
He will say they're
- laggy and ugly
- something about Team Plasma kicking the Munna
- all the Pokémon are either shit, or ugly. Sometimes both
- calls people retarded if they don't find the game equally easy
- will say that Unova panders more despite there being far more examples in XY.
- will cherrypick a handful of sprites that looked uglier in Gen 5.

>>58110309
*their.
Didn't notice my error until after I hut post.

>not dick-riding KANTOOOOOO every 5 second
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>58110312
*hit
>>58110316
Wow one tiny reference, there's others two you know, like one referring to Bill, and the Driftveil Drawbridge, but those require you to speak to NPCs.Every game has references to Kanto. But Kalos is where it went too far. Santalune Forest is literally just a copy paste of Viridian Forest, your first wild encounter is hardcoded to be a Pudgey, even hacking in Repels doesn't stop it from spawning, free Kanto starter, free Lapras, only Pokémon to get two Megas were Kanto mons etc.

>>58110316
It doesn't happen every 5 seconds. It happens occasionally and most times aren't all up in your face.

>5 seconds later
OOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>58110326
That's a blink and you'll miss it moment. Imagine if that was a Snorlax blocking the bridge.

>>58110316
>>58110326
>this is somehow comparable to the level of "in-your-face" Kantautism present in XY and SM
Gen 5 haters, ladies and gentlemen. You gonna mention the Charizard bridge next? Come on, do it. That'll help your argument for sure.

>>58110329
heres seven snorlaxes blocking a gate doe

>>58110333
I didn't know there were Unovan Snorlax

>>58110345
they blend in with the fatsos there

>>58109882
>howlongtobeat
lmao

>>58110357
Is that source unreliable or something? How else am I supposed to know the approximate play time I can expect?

I've seen this thread before.
>Gen 6 GOOD
>Gen 4 and 5 BAD
Always the same. Don't know why, no one's ever going to be convinced.

Don't need to, it was already made very clear.

>>58110069
1. Parroting is a declaration of victory.
2. I played both games on original hardware. So there's no way for me to speed up.
3. I was done with Pokestar Studios in like 30 minutes. The Yancy story took a similar amount of time.

>>58110281
>And yet Gen 5 still has the superior games by mere courtesy of having smooth and faster battles,
gen 6's battles are just as fast.

>having the better story
*kicks munna*

>not being as piss-easy as XY
both are equally as piss-easy.

>no lag
Gen 5 has lag.

>a higher amount of new creatures
Gen 6 has more creatures than Gen 5.

>not dick-riding KANTOOOOOO every 5 second
Gen 6 doesn't do this.

>still have more personality
Pokemon limbs being rotated like puppets while they don't react to anything that's happening isn't personality

>>58110357
>unsubstantiated anecdote
lmao

>>58110627
>Gen 5 has lag.
Where? Maybe only if you're on the original DS

>>58110636
On the contrary, there's no lag if you're playing on the DS. There might be some, however, if you're playing on an emulator that's not properly configured. Now you know why some "people" complain about a Gen 5 lag that doesn't actually exist.

Anyway, my best advice is don't reply to obvious trolls.

>>58110636
Triple and Rotation Battles.

>>58110655
i said that because gen 5 is enhanced for DSi, but yeah even on regular DS i've never seen any lag

USUM only added more boring slop "content" to gen 7 and made the story worse

ORAS was seen a disappointing conclusion of the gen 6 era and was the ultimate gen 6 game only because GF refused to patch in the missing megas onto XY

I doubt Z could've fixed anything simply because that was the shift period from Gamefreak from loving making Pokemon games to not giving a shit anymore and only wanting to develop slop to make money.

Here's how Z would've turned out had they kept rolling with it
>Almost same exact story as XY only with Zygarde lazily shoehorned in (just like they did with Necrozma)
>A couple new megas
>None of the cut/planned stuff from the Teraleak like South Kalos/Battle facilities etc.
>Powerplant still left untouched
>More cutscene slop
>Some new useless shit barely anyone will remember like the Alola Photo Club
>More places where you can tip

Here's your Platinum "fixed" version bro

>slop
stopped reading there

>>58110681
perhaps you should spend less on this place if recurring words start triggering your autism

>(You)
didn't read the rest

>>58107546 (OP)
Platinum didn't fix any of DP's problems though.

>>58110695
>Better wild and trainer mon distribution
>Faster movement and especially faster Surfing (what the fuck were they thinking in DP?)
It did fix things, you disingenuous retard.
>what, that's all?
On top of the significant amount of new features in Platinum, yes, that's "all", but it's not "nothing" unlike what you're implying. There IS one thing that Platinum didn't fix and that was arguably the most important, and it's battle speed.

>Better wild and trainer mon distribution
>dexcut Glameow
nah

>NOOOOOO NOT THE SHITMON THAT I'M PRETENDING TO LIKE JUST FOR MY COUNTER-ARGUMENT BUT THAT I DON'T ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT
This is on the same level as people crying about Mareep's absence in Crystal. Yes, that sucks, yes, there's no good reason as to why it's not there, but pretending it kills the whole game and its improvements over the previous versions is bad faith at its finest.

>>58110721
>here's your """"""fixed"""""" pokemon distribution bro

>>58107546 (OP)
Gen 5 hemorrhaging years worth of built-upon gameplay features in one go objectively makes it the start of Pokemon’s decline

>>58110748
the funniest part is gen 6 added a chunk of those features back

but gen 6 is the rushed unfinished gen and gen 5 is le heckin masterpiece peak of the series gen because...uh....reddit said so

>>58110748
>>58110750
Besides berry-farming, what are all those features that were removed in Gen 5 and supposedly brought back in Gen 6? Please, do elaborate, you seem like you know what you're talking about.

>>58110750
Gen 6 has more in common with modern Pokemon games than Gen 5 does.
Yeah, I'll admit, a couple of shit that started in modern Pokemon started in Gen 5, but Gen 6 is where they doubled down on it.

>>58110760
>what are all those features that were removed in Gen 5 and supposedly brought back in Gen 6?
pokeradar
contests
secret bases
being able to obtain new ribbons
good rod
super rod

>>58110761
>Gen 6 has more in common with modern Pokemon games than Gen 5 does
not really

>>58110761
>gen 6 doubled down on gen 5's feature removal by....adding features back
I don't get it

>>58110760
I hate XY also because it’s the actual moment when they stopped being games and became Pokeslop (Tera Gen 6 would have been the ars magna though), you can only say Gen 6 brought the features “””back””” it you take it to include ORAS, I guess

>>58110796
This post is literally just schizo drivel.

>>58110724
Trvke that not many people realize but I’m pretty certain Glameow just got straight up blackballed because they’d probably been told it could be considered a bit sexist (glamorous sleek cat evolves into fat ugly hag cat etc). It’s a gen 4 shitmon so it’s easy to sweep under the rug unlike with Porygon, Kadabra, Jynx.

>>58110800
You can use google to learn what ‘ars magna’ means :-)

>>58110808
I googled slop and your face showed up, playa!

>>58110763
You're right, anon. These features WERE removed (though the ribbon-thing is irrelevant because they're still in Gen 5, that's just moving goalposts) and brought back in Gen 6. I concede on that matter.

Weird, then, that Gen 5 still remains superior for reasons that were already stated earlier. Pokémon sure works in mysterious ways!