Thread 58112297

Exploratory edition

/padt/ is completely dominated by Horizons chat. Which is fair enough, it's the new and current thing. We need a safe space to talk about the 1,339 original series episodes and associated 23 movies without feeling like we're butting into and disrupting the discussion of Horizons.

Open to suggestions for the general's name. I also thought of
>/pts/ - Pokemon The Series General
>/ptsg/ - Pokemon The Series General
>/oadt/ - Original Anime Discusssion Thread

Serena won

>>58112319
She didn't though. Ash doesn't like her back.

>>58112297 (OP)
>We need a safe space
Are you fucking serious? Nobdy is stopping you from talking about it in /padt/. Demanding a seperate space just because you can't handle multiple conversations at once reeks of incompetence.

>>58112332
Not OP but I tried posting about the original series in /padt/ the other day and got ignored.

>>58112297 (OP)
Stay in the ANIME general.
It's for the POKEMON ANIME, not a singular series.
Who is "we" anyway? Just make a tumblr blog if you feel the actual need to have a safe space for it.

>>58112338
Imagine whining about getting ignored.
It happens, my posts are getting ignored too but I am talking about the anime which is the whole point of such generals. If someone had something to say about my post they would reply to me. If they don't then that's it.

>>58112297 (OP)
>Demanding a seperate space because People are talking about something you don't like.

>We need a safe space
>Safe space
>1339 OS episodes
This isn't tumblr for your retardation.

>>58112319
fpbp

there's like nothing to talk about. it's done and all you'll end up doing is fighting over the series. all of them are kinda shit btw but enjoyable in their own ways.

I'm about 10 eps into Advanced (completely new to me) and I'm finding it pretty soulless desu. It just doesn't feel right without Misty. Even though it started feeling a little soulless towards the end of Johto, the soul was still mostly intact. But now the series just feels...hollow.

>May
May so far isn't a patch on Misty. I really don't like her personality. She seems quite...selfish and aloof. Like she's just using Ash and Brock to help her travel, she couldn't really give two hoots about them. Also doesn't seem to even be much into her own Torchic. Misty loved her Pokemon like they were her babies.

>Max
Max is kinda annoying. As if the series wasn't already kinda childish, him being there makes it even more childish. Like the story has to babysit him and make everything even more baby-ish. I wonder if he was included as a plot device to explain the basics to the audience, because the company figured the original viewers had already left and there was a new generation of kids watching to whom this was all new, and so they needed a way to go over established basics all over again, and they could do it through Max (either things being explained to him, or him explaining a few things to others with his book facts)

>Brock
Brock being back is weird. It felt like we were losing both Misty and Brock. But then the anime is like "SIKE!!!!!" and bring him back. And he's back travelling with Ash like nothing changed. Like they've totally forgotten Misty. Doesn't feel right to me, bros.
...

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>Ash
But probably the worst part is Ash himself. At least through the first season, then the Orange Islands, then all of Johto, at least there were real reasons his party kept changing. Real reasons why he released Pokemon or had them stay elsewhere. A little contrived at times but still mostly decent enough reasons provided by the plot.
But at the end of Johto he decides to just ditch everyone because he wants to start over again. He wants that fresh feeling just with him and Pikachu like in the beginning. Ok that's nice and all, but it feels like he just abandoned all his other mons. Like a father who is having a midlife crisis, is bored so just decides to leave his wife and kids and get new young gf because he wants that feeling he had in his youth all over again. Or a woman who leaves her perfectly good relationship with a man (and if a married couple with kids, then splitting up the family by divorcing him) because she's bored and wants to relive her young slut days again because they were exciting and she wants that excitement again. Ash basically says I'm bored of all my Pokemon friends, cute little things who fought so hard for him over the years, just because he wants that starting out feeling again, so he's abandoning them, sticking them in a box to forget about them and find new Pokemon instead. Like an addict chasing a high. I know I shouldn't read too mcuh into it, it's a promotional tool for a kids' video and plushie franchise, so it has to be out with the old and in with the new...but still...it feels so scummy. I don't think I can forgive Ash for this, bros. Bulbasaur was your most loyal soldier! Bayleef loves you! Cyndaquil is still weak and needs nurturing. How can you just abandon them because you're bored?!!!!! Fucking bastard!!!!!! Selfish shithead!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>58112332
Not only is itappropriate, but it could decrease the need for individual waifu threads.

Yeah I didn't like dropping Misty for May at first either but May eventually grew on me a bit. She's a cute dork. Misty is my favorite but it's tough for me to choose between May and Dawn at times. Never liked the other traveling companions though

>>58112332
/padt/ is like 3 dudes that spam yuri art and nothing else since Horizons is lame. You can't discuss anything there

>>58112708
this thread will be a few schizos fighting over which pokegirl was best and genwunner all over. it is the same shite, just old version.

Ash Ketchum? More like ASS KETCHUP! lmao!

>>58112716
You can try to force that agenda, but it won't happen. There's plenty of good episodes and moments to talk about. Out of the 1339 episodes they were, at least a fifth of them were memorable.

>>58112319
>serena won
Nothing because she's not a pokemon and therefore has no appeal to Ash

I started to binge the series full subbed recently, 3 episodes in and everyone is just a dickhead to Ash for no reasons lmao. Misty literally threw out a goldeen against TR then returned it while acting smug for no reason.

>>58112599
>>58112605
Finally someone with a brain.
It's only gonna get worse anon. This is why Ashfags are all mentally ill. They worship a shitty, soulless character devoid of character development or actual personality. He's a soulless husk that only exists to sell toys to kids. He should've been retired a long time ago.

>>58113239
obsessed

>>58113245
With what? The truth?

>>58113235
Yeah, that never made any fucking sense, she literally had Staryu and Starmie with her too.
Actually, fuck it, I always hated that she had Goldeen at all. It's a boring fucking pokemon to begin with, but it's made worse by absolutely useless it was 99% of the time AND she ditched Horsea and Starmie but kept it around until she left the show. What was even the point? Should have given her Poliwag instead from the start.

>>58112319
fpwp

>>58112735
Stay mad

>>58112605
I wonder if and how much Ruby/Sapphire not having every Pokemon influenced the decision of letting Ash only keep Pikachu around.
>>58112727
>hypnosis turns people and Pokemon alike in literal slaves
>there are only a few episodes in the whole series that's about this
If I were a villain in that world, I'd try to catch as many Pokemon that know Hypnosis.

>>58113239
>It's only gonna get worse anon
DP is way better than AG and Johto, and Ash's character is better in DP too

Used to watch the anime's eps at random as a kid, I always felt like it was kinda junkfood TV; not the most filling, but somehow still a guilty pleasure to watch.

I'm giving the OS a shot in proper order now, and I find it funny how like... I still sometimes feel that way, but then suddenly have moments of getting really emotionally invested in an episode. It's fun to notice that about yourself.
Anyway, it's a cute show so far, I like the sense of humor, but also how responsible Satoshi is about his pokemon. Honestly good role-model for all the kids watching.

>>58112332
Let /padt/ talk about their modern slop in peace.

>>58112735
Are you suggesting Ash is into fucking Pokemon?

I don’t get why you all hate ash and not the writers for practically enslaving him and fucking him over throughout 20+ years. Like it’s borderline sadistic to have years worth of a region only to have him lose in the end.

>>58113610
>he would've been a good character if the writing was better!
That is true for literally every character in existence, retard.
Besides, even when you disregard the fact that Ash was written to constantly job, he's still a boring ass character in a lame story with no stakes.

>>58112599
nice reddit spacing faggot

>>58113690
>he's still a boring ass character in a lame story with no stakes.
That Alain, Liko and Roy.
Ash's story had actual stakes since he was not entitled to win every time and get everything handed to him. This is the real reason people like you dislike Ash. Boring? Uninteresting? Compared to long-running protagonists like Goku, Ash is the better character, as his main flaw—stagnation—ends after the JN series.

>>58114100
>Alain, Liko and Roy out of nowhere
>PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE PROBLEM, NOT MY SI
Oh fuck off Famon, don't you have to seek employment instead of projecting and sepething over fictional characters?

>>58114133
Your poor sense of characterization makes people like you the problem. Ash was more interesting, funnier, and more compelling than the boring, one-dimensional protagonists you prefer.

People like you are why characters like Rey, Helena Shaw, and live-action Mulan keep ruining beloved franchises.

>>58114172
>No YOUR taste is the problem, not mine.
>Non-Pokemon shit out of nowhere
Do you even listen to yourself?
No you became a homeless bum, your mother must've had enough of your useless weaboo ass.

>>58112297 (OP)
it ended, there's nothing new to talk about

>>58113604
Ash is a pre-pubescent boy who doesn't have any sexual interests

>>58112350
nobody on padt talks about the ashnime anymore retard

Gliscor was honestly perfect, shame she didnt return in future seasons.

>>58115317
I have no idea what padt even exists anymore, every thread is literally just
>thread king posts theofficial question of the thread
>100 posts in one hour answering that question
>2 days of spam, shitty memes, ritualposting and reposted fanart to keep it in the catalog
>never any discussion of news or anything
There's Pokemon threads on /a/ that constantly keep up with news, Japanese promotion material, translations and shit, so I have no idea what the point of padt is supposed to be. Nobody there seem to care about anything other than making sure the threads don't fall off the catalog.

>>58115317
I have no idea why padt even exists anymore, every thread is literally just
>thread king posts the official question of the thread
>100 posts in one hour answering that question
>2 days of spam, shitty memes, ritualposting and reposted fanart to keep it in the catalog
>never any discussion of news or anything
There's Pokemon threads on /a/ that constantly keep up with news, Japanese promotion material, translations and shit, so I have no idea what the point of padt is supposed to be. Nobody there seem to care about anything other than making sure the threads don't fall off the catalog.

>>58116349
So in other words
>OP? Asks something about the anime to start a discussion about the anime (The point of /past/'s existence)
>Anons joining the discussion
>Two or three anons having their fun that can be filtered
I give a 50/50 leeway about the news since they're often just reciting events that have already happened but other than that, you're getting confused about a thread that is actually talking about the anime? Is this a ruse? Like I am not even joking, you are genuinely baffled by the idea that a thread is actually used for anything else other than pointless genwars?

They even talk about shit from the games which comes from actually playing, which is a major improvement for stuff that could be covered in the anime. I genuinely feel more engaged with a thread that isn't immediately dogpiling my questions with excessive series catfights while undermining the point of others.

>>58116349
>There's Pokemon threads on /a/ that constantly keep up with news, Japanese promotion material, translations and shit, so I have no idea what the point of padt is supposed to be. Nobody there seem to care about anything other than making sure the threads don't fall off the catalog.
Crossposting to make it seem like they have traction, I kinda did the same but with Kiseki by posting in /a/ and /v/

>>58116369
No anon, it's a thread where OP asks a question and then instead of letting the thread die when anons are done replying to it, they just keep bumping it for two days with tangentially related crap until it hits bump limit, at which point the OP will make a new thread with a different question. I have no idea why it's a general in the first place.

>>58116396
Ok, I am humouring your assumption and take a look at the current thread based on your take aways
>OP or someone fast asks a question at the start
That is true
>100 replies in one hour
That is false, it's 10 replies at the time of this post and by then it became more about Zeraora's potential involvement, Carbink's possibility as a capture and/or a mega evolution.
>2 days of spam, shitty memes, Ritualposting and reposted fanart
That's tricky to gauge so I'll break it down based on the last four months
>Spam
What does that even count as? Anything can count as spam, you're gotta be more specific than just "spam". And if you think it's spam, you can report it if it's bothering you.
>Shitty memes
I assume you're talking about the LiCute part. If you dislike it that's fine, I can see how that can get annoying.
>Ritualposting
Again with the spam, more specific.
>Reposted fanart
As in "I found this art and share it here" or "I found this art from an old thread and repost it here"? Because if it's the latter then it's the minority compared to the former, which can be identified by the fact that anons post the fanart AND immediately share the source pre-emptively. (In the archive, one of the anons explained that he does it that in case it gets reposted and can't be found by the saucenao or booth Reverse search then anons can follow the image hash back into the archive to the first time it was posted to get the source)
>Never any discussion of news or anything
If you mean new episode titles and summaries then you're missed the mark because they're talking about it.
If you mean actively stalking the PR account for news then you're correct.
If you mean interviews with the voice actors then it might depend on the content of said interview.

So in a nutshell, you're roughly 30% correct, 45% wrong with the remaining 25% being unclear because you're not being specific with what you see as a problem. Again, I am willing to understand your point if you provide examples.

>>58114377
>it ended, there's nothing new to talk about
Did Serena & Amourshipping won by default? she was the only lead girl with canon crush on Ash.

>>58117210
>Playing dumb for the attention from shippingtroons
The other anon was right, you need to get a job Fagmon.

>>58117210
Yes, but that's not something new to talk about. We're approaching the 10th anniversary of her victory.

>>58117226
That's more than enough to talk than Liko x Roy or Amethio or Dot.
Not to mentioned Ash haven't become a Pokemon Master which means his story did not end.

Do you think its perfectly normal for Ash to challenge Paldean gym leaders just for fun? He was seen battling a random old man at the end of JN series which mean he will continue to challenge others even after becoming a Champion.

>>58117210
No, the current TPC and writers want to pretend XY never happened. Pikachu won.
>>58117265
Pokemon Master isn't a real thing, just some vague idea of being the very best. Nobody will ever be able to achieve it because it doesn't exist.

>>58117265
>Asks for something
>Immediately talks and seethes about another topic
Your attention span is dogshut

>>58117271
He got an answer he didn't like.

>>58117269
>Pokemon Master isn't a real thing,
Not according to the announcer of the Indigo League on the dub.

>>58117269
>Pokemon Master isn't a real thing,
Not according to the announcer of the Indigo League on the sub

>>58116426
I just looked at what the two threads were talking about prior to today's episode started and anon is kinda right, the /a/ thread was actively talking about new story details that had recently been revealed and translated, while padt was just making random nonsense posts and bumps and seemed pretty unaware of any plot details related to the ep.

>>58117283
>Picking something that isn't the same definition with Ash's view of one
Are you delusional or just that stupid that you don't even understand your own self-insert?

>>58117290
>Ash's view of one
Which mean meeting and befriend every pokemon. In other word, Ash's story will not end until he meets every pokemon. There are plenty pokemon he haven't meet from past generation and new generation.

>>58117287
>he /a/ thread was actively talking about new story details that had recently been revealed and translated
Not really
They just post details from Anipoke PR and magazine scan while majority of the post are just Liko x Dot spam.

>>58117293
>Which mean meeting and befriend every pokemon.
>Right after an episode where he failed to do it
You don't see the contradiction in those two things? Befriending the same species over a dozen times is incredibly boring on paper and in practice.
Are you useful for anything other than letting your mouth run retarded nonsense? God you're useless.

>>58117287
>just making random nonsense posts
NTA but talking about the Pokemon that appeared in the episodes, Amethio's circumstances, talking about ZA since their mega forms might come up beforehand (Which is a thing with Mega Dragonite) is nonsense?

>>58112332
This. /padt/ was the "safe space" and more than they deserved.

>>58117298
>They just post details from Anipoke PR and magazine scan
So... new story details that had recently been revealed and translated?

>>58117305
No, I'm talking about stuff like this:
>>58115661
>>58115802
>>58116108
>>58116166
That's like 5 hours worth of posts. I don't understand the point of having a 24/7 general when nobody ever talks about news in it. The thread seems to exist just for the sake of existing.

>>58117346
So you ignore the 70% of the discussion in the thread to focus on the minority of it which you could ignore or reduce by joining the discussion or maybe bring up the news that you clamor? You're complaining about a issue that is minor, isn't harmful and is in YOUR control to fix by engaging with the other posts that you didnt deem nonsense. Telling or insisting on someone to just stop posting altogether is having the adverse effects.

Now I am gonna ask the main meat: Do YOU even partake in the thread like at all or just you gawk at it like you're at a zoo?

What's the consensus on the Sun and Moon anime? Is it worth it for the humor and comfy vibes, or is there a lot of boring filler? I can look past the weird faces, Ash's design etc.
Haven't watched the anime in like 15 years...

>>58117359
>Do YOU even partake in the thread like at all or just you gawk at it like you're at a zoo?
The latter. It's just an observation I made.

>>58117402
Then if you want to talk about news there then you might contribute a change towards an improvement of it.

Most problems are solved by practicing what you preach. You think the thread isn't discussing the anime news enough? Hop in and start talking about it.

>>58117365
General consensus is that it's pretty bad and a weird misstep, though it has some very vocal defenders that will insist it's every other series that's terrible and you're Hitler if you disagree.

>>58117407
Nah, don't care enough about the anime for that. It's just something I found odd, that's all.

>>58117365
eevry anime past dp is garbage the only xy had was good animation but still sucked, tripokalon is the most boring thing they created, the fillers were terrible too

>>58117415
>tripokalon is the most boring thing they created
Holy shit taste

Ash in current year

>>58117302
>>Which mean meeting and befriend every pokemon.
>>Right after an episode where he failed to do it
>You don't see the contradiction in those two things?
Have you read your post? The fact that he failed means his story was far from over. Also another MPM where Ash meet new pokemon and sometime battles various trainer sounds way interesting than Pokemon Horizons. Specially if he joined by Brock and a cute lead girl like Serena or Dawn.

>>58117544
>No YOU don't know how to read
>They should waste time on something that is redundant and goes against his wishes
>I forget the part where it's clearly not interested in making friends
That you waste time defending a dogshit idea that is inherently boring on its own and contradictory to the intentions of the Pokemon he respects while seething over another show that has nothing to do with this conversation shows your lacking IQ and your pettiness of just moving on. Just shut the fuck up and let the adults talk, ESLschizo.

>>58117577
>>They should waste time on something that is redundant and goes against his wishes
You mean Liko's journey to learn about her magical bloodline and meet her 100 year old ancestor. Because that was a waste of time, each episode of MPM are 10 times better written and interesting then the entirety of Pokemon Horizons.

>>58117627
>You mean Liko
And there you go again, diverting from the topic to display an absolute absence of focus filled instead with pettiness, spitefulness and mixing shit up like a broken record that you fill up archive pages on your own.

No wonder anyone with two brain cells just makes fun of you, you're useless for anything requires any capability of thinking.

>>58117544
Famon, I don't give a shit about your drama or Horizons but Ash's final was about moving on from battles to become stronger because strength can't solve everything

>>58117639
That was a lolcow? Fucking hell, no wonder logic doesn't sink into his skull.

>>58112319
the phrase "start as you mean to continue" comes to mind

>>58117346
The posts you linked are from Thursday afternoon which is literally less than a day before the new episode airs. You cherrypicked a handful of post from the most quiet time of the week. Go fuck yourself anon.

>>58117415
All of it is garbage.
If you got past Johto you can't pretend to be above any other ashfag.

>>58117638
I'm not diverting from the topic. You called MPM redundant, and I mentioned something even more redundant, and you have no counterargument.

>>58117639
That doesn't mean Ash will stop battling, as he is as battle-obsessed as Nemona and Goku. Ash stopping would contradict his established character.

>>58117703
>I am not diverting from the topic
>I am just bringing up something unprompted that isn't comparable to claim that YOU don't have point, not me
Just stop talking if you know what is good for you, you absolute brainlet.

>>58117686
There you go again, Ashnime is "bad" because it's a slice-of-life comedy with battles for kids, not a super edgy shonen about a special snowflake protagonist fighting evil to reach their magical destiny.

>>58117718
> Oh no, you can not point out Horizons to be even more boring and redundant than MPM
Do you think insulting me prove anything?

>>58117735
Why are do you care so much about a cartoon for kids then, you're an adult.

Good thread.

>>58117755
Same reason people cares about Dragonball, Sailor Moon and various other nostalgic anime.

>>58117748
>NOO STOP POINTING OUT THE BULLSHIT IN MY LOGIC YOU'RE INSULTING

Take your victim mentality and fuck off to Tumblr. How are you capable of being so retarded without forgetting how to breath?

>>58117782
Autism? Refusing to grow up?

>>58117735
well dude you are the one who thinks the anime is bad now because isnt centered around your self-insert anymore and is instead centered around other characters, so if there's someone who is frustrated because the anime isnt what you want it to be is you

For me? Goh is the best character. Always wanted Ash to catch more cool Pokes as a kid so seeing Goh be aggro with the Pokeballs was like something I always wanted

>>58117782
I don't see any of the fans of these show seething about them ending and endless complaining about new anime, though?

>>58117911
Have you ever visited Dragonball threads?

>>58117824

>well dude you are the one who thinks the anime is bad now because
Its boring , humorless, the characters are uninteresting, there is no stacks, there is no actual competition, the main characters gets everything handed to them without any merit (Uruto getting a Dragonite), and game character gets disrespected to shill boring OC.

I never hesitated to criticize XY, XY&Z, SM, BW and JN series despite Ash being the protagonist of those show while you Horizonfags can't even call out Horizons for disrespecting Nemona yet you think you are better than me.

>>58112297 (OP)
When will aldith return to the ashnime?

>>58117970
>I never hesitated to
That you feel the need to highlight shit you supposedly *did* while getting drastically angry at the existence of something you could just ignore and move on with your day with is the pinnacle of obsessed. Not sure who lightly pushed you in kindergarten to make you hate Horizonfags like the second coming of the devil but you're reaching big time. Bragging about being recognizable on a anonymous imageboard is peak mental illness, wouldn't shock me if your stupid ass managed to dox yourself at least four times already at this point.

>>58117962
I only see people posting memes about Super or whatever desu. Seems like people like it

>>58117970
It didn't disrespect Nemona. Roy used a powerful Pokémon against her and won. And I say that as a Nemona simp.

>>58118015
Don't bother, that lolcow never even played the games and misses Nemona's characterization enjoying every battle of every kind.

>>58118002
No, I just want to clarify that my love for Ash doesn't prevent me from criticizing Ashnime's flaws, while you can't even call out Horizons for treating Champion like a joke to promote an uninteresting Ash-clone nobody cares about.
>>58118015
>It didn't disrespect Nemona.
The strongest Paldea champion lost to a literal-who trainer and his Lucario, caught, trained, and evolved off-screen.

It was humiliating and made the Paldea League a joke.

>>58118057
You're trying to sell yourself as a saint while getting angry over something that legit only (You) have a problem with while accusing everyone else of your projecting incompetence. If even Nemonasimps aren't even impressed by your asinine meltdown (Which is more evident by your lacking knowledge about the games you don't play) then you're doing something horrendously wrong.

Just drop it, you're not gonna convince anyone with that attitude of yours.

>>58118057
>It was humiliating and made the Paldea League a joke.
Paldea has always been a fucking joke tho?

>>58118068
Haven't you noticed the increased criticism of Horizons since Roy defeated Nemona? Its demand dropped to less than one-tenth of the average on Parrot Analytics and struggles to exceed 1,000 views on NicoLive, compared to the average of 3,000+. Its rating is even lower than JN on Japanese TV rankings.

Only Horizon fans like you continue defending it, having spent a decade claiming the Pokémon anime would improve without Ash. Now that Ash is gone, the anime has worsened, yet you feel obligated to support it despite its flaws, rather than admit you were wrong.

>>58118110
Screaming "THEY MISTREATED NEMONA REEEE" into the abyss of the Internet aggressively on loop isn't increased, it's you being anal about something that doesn't matter to others. Good job on not only missing the point of my post but also embarrassing yourself with your serieswarring faggotry missing every single mark but the one you wanted to hit. Your mother must be proud of your online warrior fanboying of a fictional ten year old kid who would feel disgusted by your presence.

>>58118132
Because they really did mistreated Nemona and I am not a Horizonsfga like you who would ignore everything wrong with Horizons and pretend to like it out of obligation. All the actual fans ether dropped Horizons long time ago or actually criticizing the show.

>>58118110
>increased criticism of Horizons since Roy defeated Nemona
I probably missed that, now all the rage in Reddit is posting how his Lucario has a personality or shitting on Ash's Lucario

>>58118144
>No they really did mistreated Nemona
>Trust me bro, not the Nemonafags
>Fga
So not only do you ignore those who should feel offended but aren't, you low-key are throwing a tantrum that everyone who isn't cocksucking your meltdown is not an "actual" fan.

Good job, really you are doing a good job at convincing others of the asshurt that others aren't offended the way YOU want them to be.

>8110
>8144
>If you don't agree with me you're not an actual fan
Oh boy, I love Ashfags who are doing everything else except convincing others that they're not batshit entitled brats.

>>58118057
Nemona is not part of the League... also it was a friedly 2v2, she didn't even use her whole team... it wasn't a champion-tier match. Paldea champions work differently... At least play the game before getting mad on their characters behalf, you're embarrassing yourself...

>>58118159
Unlike You, I do not hesitate to criticize Ash and Ashnime. While you have a meltdown whenever somebody says slightest thing bad about Horizons.

>>58118180
Nemona is the strongest champion ranked trainer in Paldea , something she can only earn by defeating the entire Paldean League. If a Literal-who could defeat her by training off-screen than that's just mean the entire Paldean league is weak.

Its like saying that Uruto should use his Dragonite to defeat Cynthia and her Garchomp next which should be okay as long as its not a champion match.

>>58118192
>Unlike you, I
You're repeating yourself >>58117970
without addressing the elephant in the room. Your attitude sucks, you don't play the games and it is highlighted by getting angry that others who did played it aren't while projecting YOUR meltdown that no one agrees with your repetitive tantrum
That is without mentioning that you're getting really really defensive and silent about the part where others aren't even triggered by Nemona's loss like you, which again says more than enough about your lack of maturity to let things go instead of seeking outrage that is unfounded.

I recommend using your anger and turn it into something productive like searching for a job but your constant deflections, you're more a danger to society that way.

>>58118209
All I see is a desperate Horizonsfag attacking and insult me without providing any counterargument against anything i said about Pokemon Horizons.

>>58117828
Goh is what Ash always should have been, a real pokemon master.

>>58118206
It was a 2v2 friendly match... and yes, if Ult used a Mega Dragonite to defeat Cynthia's non-mega Garchomp, I wouldn't see anything wrong with it either... Mega Pokémon are very strong

>>58118222
Saying you have a horrible attitude that doesn't get the point others make isn't "attacking you", it's you getting offended that nobody really cares about your anger spree. Play the game and maybe then you'll understand why Nemonabros aren't triggered like you, trigglypuff.

>>58118237
>It was a 2v2 friendly match
Against a freaking Champion

>if Ult used a Mega Dragonite to defeat Cynthia's non-mega Garchomp, I wouldn't see anything wrong with it either
Because you are Horizonsfag and you are obligated to like anything Horizons does. An actual Pokemon fan will get mad if Cynthia loses to a non-champion opponent , they even got mad when Leon curbstompped Diantha with three pokemon,
>>58118238
Dude, the only one with bad attitude is you since you still provide no counterarguments and kept on attacking me instead.

>>58118266
I wouldn't have been mad if Ash would've defeated Cynthia with a Mega Dragonite either... What's the problem with anime characters being strong?

>>58118276
>I wouldn't have been mad if Ash would've defeated Cynthia with a Mega Dragonite either
Ash had 26 years of merit that he earn before he was worthy enough to fight same level as Cynthia . Uruto is a random nobody dropped into the show as Roy's rival for Black Rayquaza because the plot says.

>>58118266
>You don't have any counter arguments
>Nemona doesn't care about losing or winning? Doesn't count
>See? You have no counter argument and are just attacking me.
I don't know what kind of tumblr-tier brainrot you got subjected to in your childhood but proudly denying the opinion of others while labeling everyone you don't like is nothing short of unhinged.

And again, you're dodging the part of being told to play the game, you know the source material that Nemonafags played and the ones who did (So pretty much everyone except you) weren't offended by her portrayal.
Your accusatory undertone is just embarrassing and just shows a word of difference between those who bothered to play the games and then the ones who didn't who then tell others how they should act. Good job, I am sure Tumblr would welcome you with open arms.

>>58118286
Still just insults and no counterarguments.

ash is never coming back btw

>>58118284
I mean that's just stagnant timeline bullshit, that shouldn't count as training experience... but like let's say someone from the Ashnime who didn't have as much experience then. Like if Dawn was more interested in battling and trained the whole time and maybe a bit offscreen, it would be really cool if she beat Cynthia in a friendly 1v1 because of a gimmick like having a Mega... I don't think that's bullshit
I mean all the kids from the games also beat the champions in serious matches after like a couple of weeks of training in-universe, it's really nothing weird...

>>58118296
Playing the broken record now? Should've betted on it, it was foreseeable.

But honestly, the only thing you're good at is managing to alienate others against you. I wouldn't be shocked if Waifufags tagteamed you while you pretend to be right.

>>58118305 (Me)
Honestly, if anything, it was weird that Ash was still losing so much even though he trained so much...

>>58118305
In case you don't notice it anon, he's having a notable bias and twisting the definition to his favor. Wouldn't shock me if he's trying to get you banned while you don't agree with him.

>>58118284
26 years of losing. At least Uroto freaking older than 10 years old baby and have fought legendaries and champions. Meanwhile Ash not even older than 10 and not even earn he victories.
Heck no freaking wonder Ash retire for being so uninteresting loser who need gifted win to beat champion. No wonder he not back even after 3 years

>>58118314
Ash does not even train. That is the whole reason he got angry at Paul and the key reason Alain won.

>>58118305

>that's just stagnant timeline
Not in our world , time did passed on Pokemon World just like it does on Detective Conan but the character simply does not age. Ash confirmed one years passed since he started his journey On movie 03.

>if Dawn was more interested in battling and trained the whole time and maybe a bit offscreen, it would be really cool if she beat Cynthia in a friendly 1v1
No it would not because people would have still gotten angry at Cynthia losing. After all, you only care about your anime content getting attention Moot.,

Friendly reminder that Pikachu wasn't noteworthy up until it fought Tobias' Latios. Until that point it didn't really have any impressive feats. It then went on to be trash throughout BW and didn't get redeemed until it finally overcame Mega Lucario and its performance against Alain.

>>58118320

>26 years of losing.
You mean training and earning merit to be storng like real world people such as Messi.

>>58118345
Detective Conan did not retire. Ash is not interesting or smart enough to be on Conans level.
Ash did not deserve to beat Cynthia or Steven and only got gifted wins for retirement party. Unlike Uroto and Roy and Conan Ash is not smart enough.

>>58118356
You mean losing even to first gym leaders like roark. In fact Ash hardly train at all and rely on gifted wins unlike Uroto and Roy who train every freaking episode.

>>58118357
>Detective Conan did not retire.
Which makes it even worst since Conan haven't made any progress against Black Organization and stuck as a kid while Ash became the world champion.
>Unlike Uroto and Roy and Conan Ash is not smart enough.
Based on OG series along, Ash was smarter than both Roy and Uruto.

>>58118347
What about Noland's Articuno?

>>58118370
>You mean losing even to first gym leaders like roark
You mean Ash not being an invincible self insert who train OFFSCREEN to steamroll everybody.. Instead he trained ONSCREEN and comes up with strategies to defeat gym leaders.

>>58118373
What about it? That's a win for Charizard, not Pikachu.

>>58118371
Because Conan actually interesting and people does not want him to retire unlike Ash who bland and uninteresting. Heck Ash need gifted wins just to stick around but Conan need nerf or else he win too easy and have to retire.
Ash never coming back for uninteresting and no goals.

Favorite COTD?
For me its Gulzar, from the Orange Islands

Welp, what a big fucking waste of time. I wonder why they do this all the time, do they think people are going to self insert as these nobodies or something? I can't believe how fast the anime went to shit after the indigo league, I genuinely thought the bad pacing didn't start until DP

>>58118382
Even baby can defeated first gym leader. Only Ash so weak to need rematch or gifted wins from sprinkler. No reason to give a damn such weak uninteresting trainer.

>>58118384
>Because Conan actually interesting
So is Ashnime

>people does not want him to retire
Who told you that? Fans wants Detective Conan to reach its conclusion before Gosho Aoyama's health runs out. Nobody wants another situation like Berserk. I guess its the Publisher that wants to him continue since its their popular work.

>"Oh boy an ashnime thread! I can't wait to talk about some old episodes and niche theories!"
>look inside
>nothing but waifufagging and "my character is stronger than your character!"
I see nothing's changed in 10 years, these threads are as shitty as they always have been. Let it die, bros.

>>58118397
>Even baby can defeated first gym leader
Not in ashnime since gym leaders are actual pro trainers.

>>58118393
Giselle

>>58118403
Nope because as so uninteresting to be retired.
In fact conan still around but ash not, which prove who more interesting

>>58118408
Nope Gary won his first gym leader and so do everyone else. In fact only Ash lose first gym leader in entire worl prove he not smart like Conan and Gary.

>>58118426
Alain's the real funny one. Just blitzes all the gyms with Mega Charizard without effort.

>>58118431
That's what a real trainer looks like when they run the gyms. If Ash trained pikachu would be the same.

>>58118393
Johto had the best CotD girls

>>58118440
Alain also almost entirely swept Remo with his Metagross during the league.

>Getting aggressively angry at everyone not voicing HIS opinion
>Drag not-Pokemon shit into Ashnime discussions
>Plays the victim card when he runs out of excuses
>Derails the threads out of spite when things do not go his way
>The only ones replying to him are either imitating his tantrum spree or question the logic, both attempting to make clear how ridiculous he sounds which he fails to comprehend
>Will brag about dragging out his own self-humilation show being faster than whatever thread he has a beef with
Can the mods get it over with and just perma ban Famon already? That homeless schizo already caused enough damage back during the height of Jn and causing shit between Waifu threads but him trying to mass report everyone not agreeing with his bullshit anymore is pushing it. That he doesn't realize that he's the major problem and cancer for why discussions about the Ashnime tanked hard on /vp/ is just the icing.

>>58118455
>>58118440
>That's what a real
Self insert looks like.
No effort, no merit, no hard work, just getting everything handed to him and never face any consequences for any mistakes. This is what failure wish from the real worlds.

>>58118468
Alain will always be better than Ash btw.

>>58118468
self insert looks like Ashgreninja. Alain win because he train and smarter on same level as Champion unlike Ash.

>>58118460
You're asking for a miracle, Jigglypufffag.

>>58118460
Good luck with that, the moderation is at an all-time low. If they won't even nuke underaged users off the board then them doing the right thing is impossible.

>>58118407
Someone said there's nothing to discuss about Ashnime anymore, but there are many things to discuss.

Why was XY so fucking boring?

>>58118487
>self insert looks like Ashgreninja
Weaker the Mega pokemon, jobbed to Mega Charizard and released to fix Alain's mistake.
Ash was better off with an actual Mega evolved pokemon instead of Ash-Greninja.

>>58118508
I'm not seeing people actually discuss anything. Other than a couple posts that got drowned out it's only people bitching about their taste being better than the other person's taste.
This is just skubposting.

>>58118508
Antagonizing everyone who doesn't think the same way isn't the answer and it's not "many things" to discuss, it's a mindset that comes across as disconnected.

That you justify waifufagging and toxic power level which is just reposting the same arguments from years ago from the JN days as "many things to discuss" is sad.

>>58118520
Weaker because Ash is the trainer. In fact if Alain have greninja it be even stronger. Heck just like captain oikachu who have rising volt tackle more powerful than ash pikachu which prove ash not good trainer and deserve to lose alain.

>>58118460
>why discussions about the Ashnime tanked hard on /vp/
He's a fucked up man, yes, but a lot of people moved on after Ash left and they barely post, if at all, anything related to him or the current anime.

Why is that hard to get? Most Ashnime threads are made for "some" reason every friday or a day before and there are always people seething about him.

>>58112332
Came from /a/, and it's much worse there. The amount of generals and daily chapter threads for literally dead manga fucking ruined the board. Compared to this, a general dedicated for one of the only TWO Pokemon anime isn't an issue.

>>58118487
It's actually cool that Steven references him in ORAS. I would like if they'd actually let us battle him in one of the games at some point. Could be a good excuse to let us fight a trainer who uses level 100 Pokemon.

>>58118510
Because it was handled by Naruto fans that thought Naruto as the ultimate guideline for every anime. .

>>58118531
If the Pokemon were reversed Ash would have won. It's a hard rule that Dynamax > Mega > legends > everything else. But the telling factor here is that Pikachu put up more a fight than Ash Greninja did.

>>58118510
Because they used Ash as the protagonist even though he's not a serious or skilled enough trainer to fit the shonen themes XY had. Same reason the Serena ship went nowhere because Ash is not interested in girls.

>>58118553
As opposed to the Digimon writer who is known for protagonist bias and is entirely incapable of writing compelling battles for the life of him? Alola and Journeys were dogshit.

>>58118510
i remember if you said this on /padt/ 9-10 years ago, the resident sperg there would insist you are "the shitposter", and that you weren't allowed to think XY was bad without being branded "le shitposter"

>>58118532
Shut up and look at the correlation in this thread alone.
>Talk about Ashnime, goes ok
>Famon shows up, starts shit INTENTIONALLY to get attention from either Amourfags or whatever ship he jerks off to
>Disrupts battle-related discussions
>Escalates it until he's alone in the thread with two or three clowning on him
>Report bombs everything he doesn't like
He's breathing cancer to discussing the Pokemon anime and sugarcoating the issue is exactly enabling that behavior. Either he gets the boot permanently or the discourse will always get derailed by a homeless piece of garbage who can't move on with his misery and must feel the need to shit things up for others.s

>>58118567
Have Ash win the Sinnoh League, have him act as a mentor for Iris during Unova, then switch entirely to Alain come Kalos.

>>58118581
NTA
>Talk about Ashnime, goes ok
You're wrong from the outset, it was never ok to support this show. Your strawman doesn't matter.

>>58118595
Your falseflag manuever is shit.

>>58118584
That would've been best. Beat Paul in the finals without meeting a Tobias, crash out immediately on the first Elite 4 because there's a world of a difference between Paul and them, then take a semi-backseat in BW to pass the torch to Iris to tease the fact she becomes champion in BW2.
But sadly the writers were autistically japanese and didn't want to deviate from their tried-and-boring formula.

>>58118581
>>Report bombs everything he doesn't like
A certain group of people did the same btw, I don't know if they finally stopped doing that but they did it a lot even to fair criticism

>>58118527
>Antagonizing everyone
Antagonizing everybody? All I asked is if Serena was the default winner for Ash-brawl .
>>58118568
Digimon always known for being edgy and only reason people remember its exists because of eight original digidestined.
>>58118567
>he's not a serious or skilled enough trainer to fit the shonen themes XY had
Shonen protagonist tends to be dumb, even Ichigo was treated more comically than serious. XY and XY&Z tried too hard to be edgy & mature like Yugioh 5D. which does not fit pokemon anime.

>>58118626
Or Ash wins the Unova League by defeating N in an epic battle and compete in Pokemon World Tournament from B2W2 . Iris become inspire to be a champion because of Ash.

>>58118637
Shonen protagonists need to be either dedicated or smart, serious or skilled. Ash was neither so he didn't fit.

>>58118642
Iris is champion in BW2, not Ash.

>>58118626
Is it bad that I think Tobias could be a good rival for Alain in this version?

>we lost Ash for a pedobit girl x African BlackRock agenda + an ugly Lesbian humanoid cat
grim

>>58118643
>Shonen protagonists need to be either dedicated
Ash was always dedicated to his goal.

>smart, serious
Let me guess, you never actually watch any shonen huh.
>>58118651
She become champion 2 years after the event of Team Plasma and N. She also only the champion of Unova and does not even compete on Pokemon World Tournament.

>>58118672
Nope Ash was not dedicated. He dies not train much and goof off all the time. Meanwhile Alain always training and battle Elite 4 to warm up.

>>58118672
The world championship tournament is only available AFTER beating the unova champion. Like with SV, maybe play Black and White before pretending to know shit, Fagmon. You're embarrassing.

>>58118620
You can't bring up le famino and then accuse anyone else of falseflagging.

>>58118345
>After all, you only care about your anime content getting attention Moot.,
What are you talking about?

>>58118672
>She become champion 2 years
Firstly, the anime is a floating timeline. Secondly, Ash is mentoring Iris, not competing against her. Thirdly, the point is that Iris becomes champion by the time the next gen comes out because Iris is the champion in B2W2 and not Ash.

Unless you're saying Iris defeats and replaces Ash in the end? Is that really what you want? lol.

>>58118709 (me)
Actually on second thought this makes sense. Ash would have relied on Zekrom to become champion which means Ash didn't really qualify for the spot. Without Zekrom to defend his title Iris would easily be able to defeat him.

While OP's reasonings for making it are kinda eh, I approve of this general simply because I only really care about the anime up until DP, so most of the current chatter is completely lost on me. I also wanna see what unique schizos emerge from this place.

>>58118689
Which was Alder during Tea Plasma incident, not Iris.

>>58117210
>they meet again
>Ash almost doesn't notice her
It was one sided

>>58118862
How is it any different than other Shonen and Kodomo couples?

>>58118895
Their infatuation is mutual and they marry and have kids.

>>58118857
Again, this time covered in the memory link feature, confirming that Iris became champion before the events of BW2 starts. Again, something you would have known if you actually played the games, F aggot.

>>58118918
>Again, this time covered in the memory link feature, confirming that Iris became champion before the events of BW2 start
But not during Team Plasma Incident when N attacked and took over Unova League.

>>58118923
Neither was Ash.

>>58118925
Because we are talking about the anime where Ash would take on N in a clash of ideology & truth. PWT would be the post league arc after Ash dealt with N and became a champion but did not take the position like the actual player of the game such as Hilda and Hilbert.

>>58118954
Ash did not become champion in the anime even after the plasma thing.
Alder and Iris are the champions.

>>58118958
Hilda/Hilbert did but they did not taken the position, the same rule could work with Ash.

>>58118973
Nope Ash did not become champion and BW Ash is not strong or smart enough to become champion. Iris is the univa champion not Ash

>>58112319
This. Amourshipping is canon.

>>58118978
Even BW Ash was more mature and smarter than Iris.

>>58119154
>Even BW Ash was more
Immature than Iris who was a gym leader and training to become champion meanwhile Ash goofing off and not even training

>grown ass woman falls in love with a 10 year old boy
Now that the dust has settled, what did she mean by this?

>>58119178
Iris wasn't even a gym leader in the anime.

Can we all agree DP was better than XY?

>>58119488
Because they nerfed her to promote Ash even though Iris is a gum leader and Ash is not and Iris became champion even though Ash did not

>>58119505
The only one who was nerfed on BW series was Ash.

>>58119509
You mean the kid who lose to first gym leader was nerfed but the 8th freaking gum leader who become champion was not nerfed to promoted the hick kid? Such a kid you are kidding me

>>58119358
Ash x Anabel has a decent amount of fanart for such a seemingly obscure pairing.

>>58119502
DP's visuals haven't aged the best outside of some key episodes by Iwane, Tamagawa, and others. That being said DP is still my favorite.
I just really liked Ash's Sinnoh story. His team was a bunch of jobbermons who got bullied throughout the show, and it was great to see them finally win in the end. XY, Ash doesn't have a true antagonist like Paul to keep the battles interesting. Everybody in Kalos likes Ash or has a crush on him. Even Alain!

I think Pokemon Showcases were weird too. It felt like a girls-only version of Contests, and there was no basis for it in the games.

>>58120267
Didn't Infernape have a very high win rate?

>>58120267
>there was no basis for it in the games
They're incredibly obviously based on the ORAS contests, which is also why they weren't a thing in the anime before ORAS released.

>>58120267
>His team was a bunch of jobbermons who got bullied throughout the show, and it was great to see them finally win in the end.
That's why I don't like his journeys and xy teams they're too good. Ash needs some losers on his side some underdogs nobody in journeys or xy is an underdog they're all naturally good and strong there's no need to train or work harder to compensate for certain faults like oshawott not opening its eyes while using aqua jet or torterra learning to fight with its decreased speed

>>58120272
Infernape was mostly trained by Paul so it does not count

>>58112297 (OP)
Sabrina shouldve been the girl, not Misty

>>58120528
*Erika

>>58120561
Erika can still be a traveling companion in a reboot along side Red, Blue and Leaf

>>58120436
>Princess Keys
>Baking
>Dance-off
Apart from the idol characters, ORAS Contests didn't have this.

>Cynthia is dead
Damn

>>58120626
This means Ash not coming back because all VA are gone or retired

>>58119358
Anabel was same aged as Ash in the anime.

>>58119513
>but the 8th freaking gum leader
She wasn't even a gym leader on the anime and Pokémon Black. She even didn't became Draydan's apprentice in the anime. She was just a brat who acts high but actually dumber than BW Ash.

>>58121025
Yep she was nerfed to promote Ash but still was smarter and more mature which is why Ash is such a kid hick and lose to her in the final bw episodes. Iris is gym leader and champion and Ash is not

>>58112319
Latias won the shipbowl, you retard

>>58121037
Wrong Ash was weaken and forced to lose to make Iris look smart instead of her being actually smart.

>>58118637
Hi Famon, your analogies are cool and all but I know a cartoon that you'd really like, please check it out, it's called "Daria".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO10nHd0dHQ&pp=ygUIRGFyaWEgb3DSBwkJrQkBhyohjO8%3D

I think this is the type of show that you'd really benefit from watching to improve your analogy skills, like unironically.

>>58120712
>a 10 year old Frontier Brain
*doubt*
She even had a mature woman's voice, not a childish voice

>>58120267
>XY, Ash doesn't have a true antagonist like Paul
Am I misremembering? Doesn't DP Ash treat Paul like DBZA Goku does Vegeta? Their rivalry was a joke, from what I remember.

>>58121554
Have you forgotten that Ash was offered to be a Frontier Brain?

>>58121673
>late teens or early 20s
Like I said, a grown ass woman.

>>58112319
Reminder that Pokeshipping did "characters stare intently at each other during a sunset" first.

>>58121750
Officially, all we know is Anabel is actually shorter than the playable characters according to the teraleaks

>>58121750
Serious AI? You do know they tends to be wrong. Its painfully obvious that she was same aged as Ash in the anime.

do you think they will upload Chronicles after Season 5 or will they ignore it?
https://www.youtube.com/@OfficialPoke%CC%81monTV/videos

>>58121290
Nope Ash not even strong enough for beat first gym leader let alone 8th gym leader and champion like Iris. Iris was nerfed for promote Ash just like Serena who strong enough to be Champion but nerfed for promote Ash

/padt/ would have been on hype train if Ash was in the show.

Is the series worth watching from the beginning or should I skip to the more commonly highly-rated seasons like DP or XY? As a kid I watched most of the Kanto and Johto seasons and some of Hoenn, but definitely nothing past that.

>>58112297 (OP)
Very close to finishing johto, I just saw the yogiras/larvitar unknown episode. Honestly, the show gets weaker over time and overall I'm gonna rate it a 4/10. Theres a lot of weird and intriguing episodes early on in kanto and OS has some funny alternstive pokemon concepts but by Johto the amount of random boring filler episodes about shitmons is too much. Also did they really have to switch to ugly digital colors right at the very end instead of waiting until the next series?

As for movies. Movie 1 was melodrama slop and the credits mogged the actual movie. Movie 2 is fun, filled with nice shots and animation and the best thing to come from the anime so far, though from a lore perspective I was struggling to suspend my disbelief with the idea that the three kanto birds being kidnap would cause a world ending apocalypse. Havent watched 3-5 but will before hoenn

>>58123405
You can't pinpoint the exact moment the series lost 'IT' when Jessie's hair goes from red to pink.

>>58112297 (OP)
Haven't read the thread yet, but knowing the subject, I expect this to be an entertaining read.
Don't disappoint me fags.

What did you guys think of the Celebi movie?

>>58123543
Young Oak being a thing an a possible way to explain Ash and Pikachu were destined to be together looking at his drawing was cool, also the not shadow Pokémon.

Still, movie 5 mogged it completely

> Ash and Mega Greninja
> Serena and Mega Braxian
> Manon and Mega chesnaught
> Clement and the new mega evolved Pokémon he will get on OL PLZ-A.
> Ash compete in Z-A Royal to learn more an mysterious organisation.
> Just like other toy anime, Ash meets new rival that joins his friend circle.
It was this easy.

> Ash and Mega Greninja
> Serena and Mega Braxian
> Manon and Mega chesnaught
> Clement and the new mega evolved Pokémon he will get on PLZ-A.
> Ash compete in Z-A Royal to learn more an mysterious organisation.
> Just like other toy anime, Ash meets new rival that joins his friend circle.
It was this easy

>>58124049
retard

>>58112319
Seething noncanon fags are mad at this post

>>58124063
It is canon that Ash doesn't return her affection, my dear shipper.

>>58124067
Stay mad.

>>58124138
Why would I be mad about that?

>>58121654
>Am I misremembering? Doesn't DP Ash treat Paul like DBZA Goku does Vegeta? Their rivalry was a joke, from what I remember.
No? You might be thinking of the guy from Best Wishes.
Ash and Paul frequently got mad at each other and had fights about philosophy. Ash wanted to use his bros and Paul wanted to minimax. It was basically the Karen debate put onscreen. Every time Ash lost it was like a shot to his pride.

Fuck the no reserves rule. It worked for the Hoenn league because we had the Battle Frontier but besides that it was some horseshit.

>>58123393
XY can be watched in a vacuum since it's oddly disconnected from everything that came before it. There's no callbacks to characters or events from prior series, it doesn't build upon anything, and it kinda gets memory holed in-canon. There's no references to it until the very end of the last series.

>>58124517
Not to mention Ash was out of character throughout the XY and XY&Z series. He was meant to be a lovable idiot, not a prince charming, like Davis from Digimon acting like TK. Serena, a weak, lovestruck simp, contradicted her sassy, decisive personality from XY 001 and 002.

In the original series, Serena would have been a "nice" girl with quirky weird traits and a strong personality, while Ash would have treated her like his previous female leads.

>>58120514
>torterra learning to fight with its decreased speed
Didn't Torterra lose all its non-TR battles after evolving? So much for learning how to fight.

>>58125382
XY Ash was a perfectly fine continuation of DP Ash. It's BW that was the weird character assassination, and then SM+JN went in the weirdest fuck ass direction after that.

OS-AG-DP-XY progresses perfectly fine.

>>58112297 (OP)
On a serious note, speaking philosophically.

I believe the main reason why Ash never achieved true success as a Pokemon battler is because ultimately he lacked proper self-discipline. Which was evident in Pikachu roaming freely around all the time despite being a Pokemon equal to the others.

That's why no matter how hard he tried, there was an inherent flaw in his initial preparations.

>>58125811
>XY Ash was a perfectly fine continuation of DP Ash.
Nope the XY series largely removed Ash's established character, turning him into a Prince Charming. Similarly, the BW series made TRio more serious and sinister. Fortunately, fans disliked the serious TRio, so they reverted to their original selves. Unfortunately, we never got the old Ash back because self-inserters like Moot believe Prince Charming Ash was the best thing to happen in their lives.

>>58125991
>Mootykins out of nowhere
What

>>58112297 (OP)
Will Cynthia never appear again in the ashnime or what

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMpSsw-DobI

Ash seems very different in DP.
Normally, you don't expect Ash to be so harsh on anyone in XY, XY&Z, SM, or JN series, especially one of his Pokémon.

What is Ash's father's job?

>>58126802
>English upload
>"The uploader has not made this video available in your country"
>said country is the U.S.
...but why?

>>58128200
indians

>>58127415
Scientist or glowie

I am watching the anime through, and it's weird because everything resolves in mostly an episode, and it's not like Naruto or One Piece, at least in terms of how long anime handle themselves.

I am enjoying the adventure.

>>58129475
Aside from Gyms, Pokemon can be very episodic
It's comfy

>>58112319
at getting cucked by Goh

> Ironheart was canceled because Riri is a self-entitled prick who thinks she's better than Tony Stark.
> Boruto's sales have declined, and its anime is on indefinite hiatus because Boruto is a spoiled brat, and Naruto has been removed to promote him.

When will Pokémon learn? No matter how serious the plot or how special the new protagonist is, it's a waste to promote empty characters. Ash was compelling and earned his merit, but this doesn't apply to Horizon characters. Unlike Liko, whose story revolves around her magic bloodline, or Roy, who defeats champions with offscreen training.

hi guys, in terms of shipping, there is NO official winner and never will be. its just the way it is.

however, IF there was a winner, its Dawn.
She is the only one to show up for him in the end. Tomioka was the one to write the finals and he knew what he was doing by having Dawn there.

>>58132080
I don't know, Misty got ti be in the epilogue series and you can't pander Kanto harder than this

>>58132080
>>58132091
Serena is the only lead girl with a canon crush on Ash, making her the default winner unless Ash returns.

We may claim to value a female character's personality and dynamics, but truthfully, we're less shallow than we admit. A female character's popularity often hinges on her looks and the main character's chances with her. This explains Serena's massive popularity despite her weak personality, while Lana ranks low despite her strong character due to her plain appearance. I was pleased when Orihime became Ichigo's wife instead of Rukia—who would choose Rukia over Orihime?

Serena is the second most attractive lead girl after May, but her default XY game hairstyle and Neo Champion hairstyle make her more appealing than May. Dawn needs a redesign to surpass both. Serena should adjust her dynamic with Ash, as Pokémon is kodomo, not romance, focusing on strength, humor, individuality, and genuine bonds. If current Ash is "Bakarina," Serena should be "Mary Hunt."

>>58112319
>Serena won
at getting producer dick in her ass!

>>58132464
>"We"
>Followed by projecting his porn addiction over fictional characters
This is exactly why your mother kicked you out almost three years ago, Fagmon. Do her a favor and just rope yourself.

All right since we have a thread for the Ashnime, I wanted to ask:
>Do you have a season you've rewatched?
>Are there any episodes, no matter how insignificant, that has stuck with you?
>Do you have a favorite arc (not season/generation) from the Ashnime?

>>58132464
Ash can't even recognize her from behind and Pikachu doesn't even recognize her smell like he did with other Ash's friends

>>58132998
>Rewatching a whole series is too much but i like to bing the movies up to unova
>a lot of the random ass DP episodes pop up but the episode where they help a Bibarel build a bridge is one of my favorites.
>Larvitar's arc back in johto was cute. Gligar's arc was also great in sinnoh.

>>58133064
>with other Ash's friends
this was cute

Serena could never

>>58132080
It's really clearly Serena, no matter how much sad "b-b-but this other girl stood kinda close to Ash in this here scene that's basically marriage" damage control you fags are doing.
Stop embarrassing yourselves.

>>58133740
Yeah keep telling yourself that Serena fag

>>58129475
It's almost impossible to find a longrunning, mostly episodic series that still has continuity, character development, and mini arcs in anime. There's not a sizeable enough market to keep that kind of show running, especially nowadays. You'll find more series like that in manga, but even then, most of those tend to be pretty old, or are continuations of things that're old.

>>58112297 (OP)
veronica ash is better than sarah ash

>>58127415
That scene brought back memories. Seriously, what was the point of hiding the father's identity? At the time, I thought it was one of those inside jokes between the writers, but that they would eventually reveal as the ending drew near

>>58134713
>what was the point of hiding the father's identity?
I don't think they were hiding it, per say. Beyond a brief mention in episode 2, they just never did anything with him. Outside of Shudo's darker novelizations, I don't think we even know if he's alive or not. Ash's dad was more "present", so to speak, in the alt universe continuity, but based on stuff like this >>58127415 I think that was mostly them playing into the meme a little.

>>58117820
The current world has gone to shit, why would anyone NOT want to continue watching and talking about a cartoon they grew up with to help escape this zogfilled world

>>58134804
Have you tried growing a spine and not being a little bitch?