Thread 58115291

Come here for talk about all things Pokémon Mystery Dungeon.

Previous thread: https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/58040343/ >>58040343

(DOWN) PMD Catalog (read Branches.txt for MEGA navigation): https://mega.nz/folder/gi5k2DBL#wVscYMtiXMuAeWDvKYyfmw

(DOWN) Pokemon Mystery Dungeon ROMs and Emulators Catalog: https://mega.nz/folder/ciVjBRoD#5vICIpkn16o-i1co11yFFg

(DOWN) PMD Fangames Catalog: https://mega.nz/folder/Yyk3gQaI#NNSyFhuoa2Cg5HuL2oEyTg

Romhacks Overview/Reviews: https://rentry.org/pmdglph

PMD Fan Fiction Archive: https://rentry.org/pmdg-ffarchive

PMD Guides: https://pastebin.com/Dbq61R5u
Explorers of Sky Romhacking Guide: https://rentry.org/skytempleguide

Everything about the Clover Guild: https://cloverguild.com/
Drawing Board: https://magma.com/d/H9nDKRaFrV
Mobile Drawing Board: https://magma.com/d/iLl5xoB6CZ
Drawing Request: https://rentry.org/DrawReqPublic

Questions:
>Which PMD main menu art is your favorite?
>Do you think a water-type’s water gun would be safe to drink?
>What work in progress PMD fan projects are you most excited for?
>How developed do you think the PMD world agriculture is? Would grass-types have a monopoly on the means of food production?

Recap of the previous thread:
>Ribombee-anon wrote a story featuring Booker and Heidi: Howlsong (https://rentry.org/RibombeeHowlsong), Glimmet-anon drew a lot of art from the Clover Guild’s art request page, and Mandibuzz-anon posted the opening pages of a comic.
>Various artists posted other Guild-related artworks as well.
>Discussion on accessories and OCs.

rape seeders

>>58115291 (OP)
>>Which PMD main menu art is your favorite?
bidoof, shinx and vulpix from sky
>>Do you think a water-type’s water gun would be safe to drink?
yeah, maybe
>>What work in progress PMD fan projects are you most excited for?
pmdo
>>How developed do you think the PMD world agriculture is? Would grass-types have a monopoly on the means of food production?
no i do not think they would. i'd imagine it's pretty developed and we just don't see it. gates has miniature versions of farms after all

>>58115291 (OP)
I played a Pokemon tabletop where most all water pokemon had a natural talent to spout fresh, clean water from themselves at will. I don't know if it makes sense for every water Pokemon to do this, I mean we don't just have the ability to produce air at will, we output CO2 from the air we consume.

>>58115861
So Water-type attacks come from a strategic water reserve? I think that would make sense for at least some Pokemon. I think Vaporeon is canonically made of water, it would make sense that they have to periodically "refill" themselves?

>>58115872
The game made it out like it was an unlimited qualtity of water they could produce, and while the output flow rate depended on the Pokémon’s strength, they naturally had a strong output rate from birth. I don't think it biologically makes sense for the water to be unlimited, producing water is not the same as using it, but water tanks to store, maybe collect water sounds all the more logical. I'd even go so far as to say this gives water Pokemon a reason to constantly look for water sources and resupply, like FLUDD in Mario Sunshine.

>>58115980
>vaperon refills its water reserves the same way inklings refill their ink in splatoon

>>58115291 (OP)
I'd make friends with a Torterra and grow food on his back

>>58116387
Is she sleepy or blushing? What's happening here?

>What work in progress PMD fan projects are you most excited for?
Well a friend sent me a link to this Reddit post of a really cool looking project. They even had a discord server to track their progress!
>Last update was in April
Typical fucking redditor

>>58117440
They all are drunk and gonna crush into guild building

>>58118184
What is alcohol production like in the PMD world? Wine iff berries might be the go to alcohol of the region.

>>58117502
It's harder than it looks

>my drawing tablet stopped working.

Aaaand I'm going to kill myself.

>>58119064
Cope

>>58119064
hang in there anon

>>58118858
Cute, who's the artist?

>>58115291 (OP)
>Which PMD main menu art is your favorite?
Squirtle opening a letter with Pikachu watching is a classic
>Do you think a water-type’s water gun would be safe to drink?
It would be safe, but probably gross depending on the source monster
>What work in progress PMD fan projects are you most excited for?
"Monster Mystery (Quest for Kinship)," it's set in the Monster Hunter world and you can play as monsters from the series
>How developed do you think the PMD world agriculture is? Would grass-types have a monopoly on the means of food production?
On the one hand you'd be eating parts of sentient people, but if that were a socially acceptable thing to do then absolutely. I don't think its likely though due to all the apples and berries everybody's eating all the time.

is gates to infinity good? also when do we get a new mystery dungeon game..

>Get to Mt Blaze
>Get killed constantly
>Grind the shorter part for items
>Go back
>Numel used Magnitude!
>Die
I'm done with this one

>>58121257
Decent story. Shit gameplay. Pulled a Dexit before it was cool.

>>58121257
It's okay and soon anon. Soon....

>>58117375
Why would you draw a furry phanpy

Hello /pmdg/! I wrote a small story featuring vee-anon's characters Rain and Cory (with the title art also done by him) called Midwinter Odyssey. I hope you all enjoy!

>https://rentry.org/cg-odyssey

>>58122708
fun little story. this damn bird on his way to rewrite the entire fabric of existence into cheap puns.

>>58124363
Some fried chicken for the journey

>>58124843
Why does riolu have fingers like that? Is this terrible design or a secret fetish?

>>58122275
Because furries can't stop adding fur to things

>>58124744
The partner is emergency rations

>>58124843
Shinx's pose is very weird

>>58124867
It's not uncommon for fanartists to give Pokemon proper hands and fingers so they can hold stuff

Super turns 10 years old in one month!

How will you celebrate?

>>58125300
I've actually been replaying it recently, so I guess I was without realizing it. I remember being excited for it coming out while watching trailers after Gates
>10 years since real new PMD game and 5 years since a remake
Any day now will be an announcement for a new game haha

>>58125300
>How will you celebrate?
Might turn into a pokémon. Nothing too crazy.

>>58115291 (OP)
How strong is Seviper in mystery dungeon?

>>58125968
>anon turns into a fucking magikarp

So, I've just gotten back into this series and I wanted to ask: how do you all explore dungeons? Do you have any specific patterns? I try to get every item before going to the next floor, but I've been trying to get rid of this habit because I have to take a lot of apples with me to not starve to death.

>>58126190
Jokes on you, that's still an improvement.

>>58126294
>he didn't play magikarp jump
You can die at any moment as a magikarp, even worse than being anything else, pidgeys eat you for lunch.

I think she plays pokemon

>>58126221
I just gun it for the stairs every time

>>58126221
>I try to get every item before going to the next floor
i used to do that but you eventually get bored of exploring every single room for trash and straight up go for the stairs

>>58124867
Not everything is a fetish, incel.

>>58127515
at this point they just hate 4chan. such is the nature of di*c*rd and the toxic nature of the pmd community at large in our current year
captcha:KANDM

>>58127793
>>58127515
>clover guild is hated on because its the clover guild
life imitates art

>community of memeing hateful retards thinks they're above a community of toxic positivity retards
Imagine joining the PMD jircle cerk and not expecting it to be filled with things you'd probably hate.

>>58128502
Cope

>>58128502
coming from a different victim of this same sort of shit, you'd be a fool not to in these uwu wholesome places that're darker than they pretend to come across as

>>58128502
I came here for the games, idk wtf you guys are even on about

>>58128610
The retards that run this thread are doing some gay shit.

>>58115291 (OP)
I had a weird dream that we ended up getting a Mystery Dungeon gacha game where you could unlock costumes, dungeons, items and recruit new members.

However it wasn't a paid mobile slop gacha, but one where you use an easily grindable ingame currency. It was done in-universe as a message board of sorts. Your teams posts a flier up for one of the following
- looking for new team members
- supplies needed for exploration
- looking for new places to explore
- wanting to try new styles.
After an ingame day the selection of your choice would be made apparent. Either new team members show up outside your base, or a box with a map/items/outfits is delivered.
Marshadow was in the game.

>>58115861
There's Pokémon tabletop games?

>>58128826
Sounds stupid yet oddly fun.

>>58128826
>unlock costumes
Based
>Marshadow was in the game.
Giga based

>>58128826
>However it wasn't a paid mobile slop gacha,
my dreams aren't even this delusional

>>58128900
It was more akin to the Zonai Dispensors in TotK. Just throw some Zonai Charges in, and you get a bunch of items.

If we get a new Mystery Dungeon game, I hope we get all Gen 7-9 (10 if that's out when the game releases) Pokémon in it. Plus a good chunk of 1-6 as well.

>>58128970
you're wishing too hard

>>58128834
There's PMD Tranquility. The one I know of. I actually run it with a few people and it's pretty fun. I don't know how tolerated talking about tabletop is here, though

>>58125341
Based anon. I'm nowhere near that far in, I only started a few days ago

>>58129599
Never heard of it

>>58127984
pure ludo

>>58127793
Here I thought the PMD community was welcoming

>>58130353
you'd wish but it has been overrun

>>58130073
Can check it out if you want. They also got a little personality quiz to tell you what pokemon type you are. Just something fun

https://pmd-tranquility.com/

>>58131805
Ooh this is going in Mustelid Monday.

>>58131167
By nazis and zoophiles?

>>58127211
Yeah, I'm trying to get into the habit of doing that. I have no more inventory or storage space rn, so I can't pick up anything anyways.
>>58127289
>i used to do that but you eventually get bored of exploring every single room for trash and straight up go for the stairs
Eh, I still like exploring the floors, it's just really inefficient.

Also, can anyone give me some moveset advice? I'm currently playing Sky with Riolu and Vulpix, about to go to Amp Plains for the first time, and while I'm somewhat satisfied with what they have right now, I think it can be better. Current movesets are:

Riolu: Quick Attack/Focus Palm/Screech+Bite (linked)

Vulpix: Flamethrower/Feint Attack/Quick Attack/Imprison

There both level 27, if that helps. How overleveled am I?

>>58126221
When I was younger I would just take random hallways until I found the stairs and immediately go through, it was nice to finish dungeons faster but on ones with 20+ floors you get fucked with that strategy since you actually need items and to be getting experience. I literally couldn't get past the Wigglytuff guild battle as a kid since I had cumulatively fucked myself over so badly by running past everything up until that point, nowadays I take my time to explore at least 2/3rds of every floor before moving on.

>>58128834
The one I played was Pokemon Tabletop United, a Pathfinder derivative, but this was like a decade ago so i can't attest to the state of the /tv/vp/ crossovers rn.
https://pokemontabletop.com/downloads-and-resources/
The most interesting thing about designing a ttrpg with Pokemon in mind imo is the player characters themselves and their actions; assuming you have full loyalty, the Pokemon can/will enact the player's will basically perfectly, but they often design the player sheets themselves with skills and stats like a trad tabletop, which often leads to the players themselves having skills that could likley lead you to taking on and bodying Pokemon yourself, which is very uncharacteristic of the franchise. Whether its building str, going a psychic path and being able to use psychic abilities there are many contexts where you really don't even need Pokemon partners, hence your GM is going to need to design a few asspulls or campaign themes to fix that.

>>58126221
It depends on the game and the dungeon. Wands are very powerful, like orbs you can collect multiples of that often focus on single targets. Because of this collecting wands, orbs, and utility seeds in your adventure is often advantageous. If you aren't hyper maxxing your strats you'll need saves with quick orbs, blinker seeds, stayaway wands, etc as aces up your sleeve. No matter the game I ALWAYS take 1 escape orb. Usually, independant of game and most dungeons, I take
>1 oran
>1 reviver/ tiny reviver seed
>1 max elixer
>1 escape orb
But after Explorers they nerfed the fuck out of the basic attack function which was supposed to be the balancing factor that made PP management difficult. After that max elixers are much more common and they added many skills that also help mitigate PP problems. In DX Rescue Team, Squeeze Out and PP Pouch are very strong rare skills because of this.
Not staying underleveled early games is a big deal, so I try to fight every pokemon I come across in a dungeon unless there's an extenuating circumstance. When you get to like lvl30 the stats that raise when you level up start to peter off bad, and at that point perma stat boosting medicines are the name of the game (life seeds/sitrus berries, protiens, carbos, etc). Remember ANY POKEMON CAN BE GOOD IN PMD BECAUSE OF HOW THOSE STATS CAN BE USED INFINITELY. Go 999 in all stats, go mixed attack, it all works. PMD is the power fantasy pokemon game where those autistic Clefairy or Pikachu fans can solo the whole game by building stats. But I will say soloing dungeons are less benificial in 3ds and onward than they are in the DS era, swapping the controlled party member and the team skills make the party contribute more than just be mindless NPC meat shields or backup damage dealers.

>>58133100
Forogt to mention, 99% of the time early game dungeons are much much kinder with finding good items on the ground. Reviver seeds will be almost never found on the ground late game, so stock up on them while you can. Escort missions should bring extra revivers because those clients tend to die easily.
Also forgot to mention along with the greentext list also bring at least 1 apple to the dungeon too. You can Bear Grilles your way through some of the dungeons on shitty little seeds and grimy food to survive as you try to shortcut you way to the stairs, but why take the chance? That said in future games that have good character switching mechanics, having someone be the dedicated Xray spec user (or just swapping on Xray specs as a solo player) is kind of OP. And along the same line, the held items for conserving PP are also very effective, using them on your water, ice types or whoever on your team does ranged damage the most is super useful.
If you're playing Rescue Team DX, the skills
>Friendly/Squad Up
>Steamroller
>Small Stomach/Food Finder
>Rapid Bullseye (if you have multi hit moves)
Are all amazing.

Skytemple melting down over the hack jam like Chernobyl. I've never seen anything like this there.

>>58133357
Sauce me bro

Hack Jam 7 results dropped yesterday and people started questioning them. A few people got hostile (like me) and they had to put a slow mode on the hack jam discussion channel. Eventually that had to lock it down entirely after warning two people (me). This morning they put out a post saying that "disciplinary actions have been taking and we won't tolerate you attacking our precious judges and innocent moderators who did nothing wrong." I'll own it, I probably deserved to get banned, but a lot of other people are getting bans right now from what I'm seeing.

It looks like they just wanna silence everyone who questioned the results, and there was good reason for it if you look at the votes and the hacks. One of the judges complained about his depression getting in the way of judging and all the usual excuses of dicksword users. It's a shitshow

I don't care about your life sister, post the results

>>58133429
Go into the discord you lazy fuck, I'm banned

>>58133439
>discord
Ew. Sorry, if you can't post it here or give me a web link I'm gonna bail.

>>58133452
Okay, cry about it retard

>>58133472
Wah wah

>>58133452
Here's your spoonfeeding anon
https://hacks.skytemple.org/jam/destinystwist

https://limewire.com/d/STLYY#J4e0mrDGPh
This is just a simple mod so you can play as Latias and Latios in Super Mystery Dungeon. Latias replaces Pikachu and Latios replaces Riolu.
Let me know if you run into any problems. Main problems I saw when doing a quick run up to chapter 3 was mainly related to Latios not having some portraits available to him in some cases or Latios being so massive that he'll just clip Latias into himself due to not knowing personal space.

>>58134240
Latios being a bit too happy to see a Latias.

>>58133429
broken hacks ended up winning because the mods believe anyone who posts here is a racist chud who says dirty things to demean other people sincerely because they're genuinely incapable of making jokes at their own expense

>>58133067
I guess I'd prefer one where you either play a Pokémon (like PMD) or are a human but the human characters don't get combat stats aside from HP.

>>58133439
I'm in it but I have it muted because I was sick of people pinging me

>>58134508
Tale as old as time

>>58115291 (OP)
What would aldith's Seviper's stats be in pmd?

>>58133391
>there was good reason for it if you look at the votes and the hacks
What was the problem? From what I can tell, the top several hacks were good hacks that deserved to win awards.

>>58134453
So they believe facts? seems you need to return to reddit to me.

>>58134453
>he thinks people who are racist and awful here are joking and not legitimately terrible people themselves who'd probably want to actually hurt others

you can't go into a trannylgbtbbq+ furfag community and then start dogwhistling that you're part of the heckin' anonymous chud club which, unfortunately, /pol/ has become the poster boy of and the website never recovered from

>>58134855
isn't believing facts if it comes from ignorance. they aren't exactly tooting their whistles here to know for sure, because you'd know who they are instantly.

>>58135069
there is so much projection in this post it's amazing. believe what you want, but part of that is delusional, anon

>>58135152
If you don't want to be associated with racists and degenerates, leave this degenerate and racist website.

>>58135181
I technically left years ago. I don't understand any of the memes or culture now. (Not that there was much of one left to begin with, everything posted here is recycled from other sites.)

>>58135152
>n-no this website isn't full of sociopaths haha, come over here and let me rape you

>>58134453
It's less complicated than that, the jury vote for and bend the rules for their friends. Same story for the discord jannies. Even though the rules explicitly say all submissions are final once the deadline passes, the jury are allowed to play whatever post deadline updates they want. It's how the "most technically impressive" hack was one that was a buggy mess on release and needed a week of post-deadline fixes. If you're in the clique they'll bend over backwards to praise you, and if you're not they'll smugly tell you to fuck off. Not surprising for discord fags, but for now they're the only pmd romhacking community

>>58135206
good then leave right now and don't come back, you won't miserable addicted retard

>>58135181
there are no websites that are not racist and degenerate if you look hard enough. you don't exactly live by isolation no matter how hard the memes fly

>>58135225
I like making other retards feel invaded and encroached upon.

>>58134688
I don't have the full story, but one major point of contention was a hack that debuted broken and needed multiple post-deadline patches to function win best technical achievement, which is as telling as can be.
From an outside perspective, it looks like the judges had their favorites before the jam even started.

I would rather be associated with the community that the world believes is racist, toxic, and degenerate than the fuckin' hug box that's too scared to hurt feelings.

>>58135542
>implying this thread is not a hugbox anyway
this thread is like a mini reddit

>>58135567
and that therefore means they're actually not that much different.
who'd have thought?

>>58135578
There all no walled gardens. There were never any gatekeepers.

And we are all that much more gay for it.

>>58133860
I don't even know how I'm supposed to read these results. They don't explain what they're even judging on.

>>58137547
When quintuple amputee Absol, not enough queerness points?
Also "plastic"? So where are gas extraction pumps, refineries and catalytic towers, mold production and casting? Are we goung full technological revolution with this?

>>58135567
Nah, I disagree. I saw the thread rip apart the Dialga and Suicune fags. They don't hold back when people are actually being retarded.

>>58137547
>artist's barely hidden fetish

>>58137803
cherry picked example, boyo

>>58137877
>absol's barely sheathed penis

>>58138489
he probably has a prosthetic one too

>>58138697
Can't believe he lost his red rocket to the mob.

>>58137547
>he/they
I'm so far removed from this pronoun faggotry I don't even know how it works anymore.

>Hurr durr furries
>Thread sees an Absol
>Immediately starts talking about his dick
I think the calls are coming from inside the house

>>58138777
4channers are compulsive hypocrites and contrarians? Holy fuck!

>>58138777
It is simple: we do not want your faggot comfyhugfucking, we want our toxic hypocritic degenerate rambling

>>58138386
If you have any examples of the contrary I'd love to see them

>>58139326
whenever people say bad things about a drawfag

I made a short story for the clover guild this time to introduce some newcomers! it's called Tiny Treats to start.
huge thanks to Togetic-anon, Ribombee-anon and Petal-purr anon for looking this over for typos and other errors. Hope you all enjoy it

https://rentry.org/cg-tinytreats

i shall be editing my normal stuff again shortly in other news

>>58138777
>furfags
>doooood pokeymen are so cute I want to turn into one and have gay sex with them
>degenerates
>here's 200 pages of animal genitalia facts :)

>>58139361
Again, if you have any examples I would love to see it

Simply don't stare at another Pokémon's business area unless you're paying them or are in a reciprocated relationship and maybe also still paying them.

>>58139843
It's /vp/. What do you honestly expect? We're all burning in hell when we die

>>58140342
Burning in hell would be an improvement at this point in my miserable life.

This thread really went to shit in the last couple days.
Let's try doing some discussion instead. How do you like seeing legendaries portrayed in PMD? Should they be like gods or just celebrities? Should they be totally serious or can they be goofy comic relief? And how about humans being turned into legendaries--cringe or based?

>>58140554
i'm not opposed to the thing people do where they portray them as gods or celebrities but i would like people to loosen up a little in regards to how they should be portrayed because it's getting very samey within the fanfiction scene.
say what you want about the clover stuff, that's clover, but people seem to treat legendaries in general like being near them will give one cooties or some shit from what i can tell. it's a little overdone from my pov

no opinion on if a human becomes a legendary or not because i haven't really read one to know

>>58139554
Cute story, hope to see more!

>>58140554
I'd prefer most of them to just be something like celebrities rather than revered like gods, like how Virizion was portrayed in Gates. After all, some legendaries are shown to have duties that make them worthy of being revered like gods (like Dialga), but most of the legendaries look like they do nothing outside of sitting on their asses all day in some remote corner of the world.
I'm also not opposed to them being on the goofier side. A story about a legendary just trying to do something mundane like shopping at a town but everyone keeps bothering and gawking at them could be fun.

As for humans turned into legendaries, that is one hell of a minefield but it can absolutely work. Through the only ways I see it working is for self-contained stories (rather than a series/webcomic) or something where the transformation is very short-lived, and the transformation into a legendary specifically has to be something vital to the plot. For something like a Clover Guild character I just don't see it working at all unless it is maybe something like Shaymin (and even then it would still be eyebrow-raising).

>>58139554
How will Beast utilize this shocking new human flavor?

>>58140573
>Tfw I'm in Clover and have been using a legendary.

>>58140554
there is a mew character in the team cozy stories where my takeaway is that she is supposed to be a normie. Her resolution could be seen as anticlimactic, but it's important that the cozy, idyllic world of pmd has pursuits other than guild life.

Here's my excuse for using a legendary: Because I wanna.

I have originally considered making a Victini anon who has skewed luck/potential manipulation powers, resulting in bad luck and chaos. He'd have been a gacha gamer in life.

>>58140554
I think it depends on the legendary. I like celebrity Verizion and Victini, I don’t like celebrity Jirachi. The mid-tier ones are the hardest to classify: where on the celebrity-god spectrum should Moltres be? In my setting she has religious significance but it’s not actually clear she has any godlike power on the level of someone like Groudon.
>humans into legendaries
Not generally a fan. Definitely better if they’re closer to celebrity than god, unless the author’s trying for something about being a god and not just making their character a Mewtwo so he can be the strongererest.

>>58142292
A rushed game will forever be incomplete

>>58142435
Whatever, you'll buy it anyway.

>>58142292
Nothing wrong with updating your hack to fix problems. The real issue is when judges play the updated version instead of the version released on the deadline. That’s unfair and disrespectful to everyone who worked hard to complete their hacks on time.

>>58141474
that could be funny

>>58143424
holy shit dude, loaded with nitro ambrosia flavor

Normalize legendaries hanging out in towns

silksong will come out before a new pmd how do we cope pokebros? nintensisters?

>>58146665
Furry porn of my OCs.

>>58145509
>be pmd farmer
>third week of drought because Groudon won't stop day drinking at the tavern
>crops will fail if this continues
>at least he's not getting into drunken brawls with that Kyogre fellow anymore

>>58146754
Just beat him up. Legendaries get beaten up by random unevolved kids all the time. They’re wimps.

>>58146754
>kyogre comes back to town and kicks groudon the fuck out
>crops are now submerged under 12 feet of water
>entire town is actually
>give up just in time to see some giant green blur fly by at mach fuckyou

>>58145509
how many legendaries have power strong enough to level a town? Or just end the world straight up?
Unless you scale their powers way down those motherfuckers are just too damn OP.

>>58145509
>tfw can no longer get a good night of sleep because Darkrai is in town

>>58150301
How do so many pokemon sleep sitting perfectly upright with no back support?

>>58148550
Sexo

>>58139554
Cute story! Welcome to the guild anon ^^
I liked parora a lot so I'll try to doddle her soon

>>58139554
peak

>>58150762
tail counter weight

>>58150301
>>58154326
I like this concept

>>58145509
Can legendaries go to jail?

>>58155461
Stun Seeds are just as effective on legendaries as regular mons, so you could capture them, but some legendaries would be impossible keep in jail

>>58155461
Depends on their crimes

>>58155461
They are too powerful. The only corrective action is thoroughly mind breaking them as shown with darkrai at the end of EoS.

>>58158146
Does Super have any reference to this if you recruit him? I know it references a lot of old characters

Can someone check on their file in PSMD and tell me if swampert can lern refresh or eggs moves please

>>58160197
cherish the partner

>>58161612
I always love hero x partner shipping

>>58158146
That makes me wonder how jails work in PMD when a lot of mons can destroy walls, go through them, dig, and so on.

I cannot go back to red and blue rescue team any more. I don't like the lack of damage split.
>>58127515
>>58127793
Context.

>>58163740
They must be heavily reinforced and have guards watching the prisoners 24/7. And it may be necessary to tailor each prisoner's cell/restraints to counteract their species' abilities. You couldn't put a digging Pokemon in a cell with a dirt floor, and you may need to set up talismans or charms to disable Ghost-types' ability to float through walls, for example.

>turn into a skitty
>stuck with stubby legs

>turn into a PMD fan
>stuck with no games

>>58165355
>The game reimagined the first entries of Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, combining them into one adventure with a stunning new visual style and updated features
it looked like shit and the gameplay changes were dumb

>>58166822
I don't speak Pokemon what does the text say

>>58167050
it translates roughly to: dude weed lmao

>>58167050
I've determined that the one on the right says partner, but not sure about the other two words.

>>58167050
On the left you have 自分 = Myself
On the right, パートナー = Partner
On the paper is ちず = 地図 = Map

On the post the artist mentions he wants the next PMD to allow you to pick the same species for both protagonist and partner, and this art is inspired by that.

>>58167616
>>58167970
Cute, thank you
>>58167237
Die

>>58167970
>spoiler
This would get really confusing in cutscenes

>>58168333
Could easily be fixed by having accessories on the characters like all the promotional art always does.
But oh no that would require more effort on the developer's part and we can't have Pokemon devs putting more than the bare minimum these days.

>>58168803
Realistically speaking I wonder just how much work it'd be to at least give every mon the ability to wear some kind of scarf/ribbon/bow. It can't really be that much.

>>58169151
For every Pokemon? That's a lot of work no matter how you handle it.
But just for the PMD lineup of starters? That could be done in a few weeks, tops.

>>58169244
i suppose one could rephrase the question to generally be starters and 'first-stagers.' there's usually a 'look' people are talking about when they mean scarves and it's not usually the blobby mons with abnormal anatomies.
maybe it's an arbitrary distinction but fuck it that'd be interesting

>>58169244
If only there was technology that could automate such processes... Really, I am so tired of that "muh, there is too much of mons" argument like if there is not at best 20 common bodytypes and no more than 100 really unique mons(not to mention that most of them would not be even included cause I guess even this is too hard). Yeah, there would be some bugs, clipping et cetera, but at least that major feature would be there, instead we get braindead argument "if we cannot do it 100% perfectly, than we would not be doing it".

>>58169725
You will buy the game anyways, pathetic consoomer

>play explorers of sky
>hear it has a great story
>its pokemon who cares about the story lol
>read a little
>read more
>get invested in the story

>>58169789
Speak for yourself, law abiding scum!

>>58169832
>NOOO IT DOESN'T COUNT BECAUSE I CONSOOM THE SLOP BUT BY PIRATING IT!
hahaha, cope and seethe.

>>58169872
Lol Buddha itt in this theread, everyone, cast aside your pathetic earthly attachments and do nothing

>>58163740
Nice to get some reference on how a Nidorina would wear a hat, I've thought about it but she has a weird head and the ears don't help at all

>>58139554
Pretty cute. Will say one thing. The sudden switch in perspective to Beda was a little confusing.

>>58169831
So when did you notice that the plot made no sense?

>>58169151
Attaching stuff like that would genuinely be incredibly easy. Wouldn't work for pokemon with no neck, but just add a bone attachment to the neck area and have a value to adjust the rotation/scale of it per pokemon.

>>58171403
>Wouldn't work for pokemon with no neck
just put it on their arm/leg, or as bandanas, like the fandom has been doing since the first games released

>>58170635
wdym it makes perfect sense. truly a masterpiece of literature

>>58170573
it was meant to evoke my regular writing in the way it was framed so it may come off hokey.

>>58170635
It's a good story.
I am slightly iffy about the post-game continuation, though. And some of the plot-holes like the existence of humans or the Planetary Investigation Team.

Also unpopular opinion, but imagine if the player character actually left forever. And you had to play the post-game as the partner and random team members, trying to carry the legacy of your exploration team.

>>58171969
>Purpose of the time gears is to restore temporal tower in case it ever starts to collapse
>Time gears are not kept in the hidden land, nowhere near temporal tower
>Time gears are scattered all over the grass continent.
>Three are guarded by the lake trio, one by a fucking ditto, and one is completely unguarded in some random forest
>Temporal tower starts to collapse
>Dialga makes no attempt to gather the time gears
>Lake guardians are completely unaware and make no attempt to gather the time gears. Actively hinder anyone who tries
>No other mythical or legendary pokemon make an attempt to gather the time gears
>Nobody in the world has any clue what they're for so they don't gather the time gears
>People only make a plan to gather the time gears when a human with magic powers shows up out of nowhere
>Plan to recover time gears does NOT involve explaining to people in the past why the time gears need to be collected
>Dialga actively tries to prevent the future from being fixed because "altering muh timeline"

I get it. The characters were written really well, and the music so good, and grovyle made me horny and blah blah blah. Can we stop pretending this made any sense, now? This is just one of the many retarded things the game has in it

need more stories about teams disbanding

>>58174118
That's a pretty broad topic but it is kind of cool to read. Big potential for drama

https://rentry.org/moonshinefamily#the-chase

It's been finished for a month or two. I wanted to do a drawing for it, but I don't have the skill to make what I want to make right now

wow that fucking sucked

>>58174118
Only if they get back together in the end

>>58174423
Good story, anon. It's always enjoyable to see more of Adrian and I'm eagerly awaiting the moment when he's proven wrong.

>>58172848
>>No other mythical or legendary pokemon make an attempt to gather the time gears
I hand wave this by thinking all legends/mythicals are akin to government/union workers.
>times falling apart?
>not my fucking job

When I play PMD games I always like to pick out good requests for jobs, collect them in my accepted job bag, and choose to go to the dungeon with the highest number of jobs for efficiency's sake. This will often result in me shotgunning 6 or more jobs in a dungeon run.
Outside of a game regarding canon this is probably not a very ethical way to tackle dungeons simply because sitting on a job means the client (if a rescue mission) will be stuck for days ir an item retrieval mission may be lost if the item gets picked up by a 3rd party in that wait.
I think I want to make 2 OCs that use philosophies in planning missions like this; one does it ethically irrespective of rewards and more just out of "whats the maximum good I can do today while I'm already working?", and the other does it to maximize rewards but at the cost of making the clients or victims wait. For the first I want the OC to be a tall but not bulky laid back and mature quiet type, like Aizawa from MHA. The other I don't want to be an evil or bad guy, just maxxed out selfish like its an artform, compotent, slightly arrogant, but not too arrogant to know when to run. Looking for species recs for these characters.

>>58175284
Probably not far from the truth, honestly
>Palkia doesn't interfere with the planet's paralysis because that's timey-wimey stuff and not his territory
>personally comes down to kick your ass the moment he thinks you're distorting space

>>58175284
It's nice to think this, but time stopping is literally an apocalyptic event that cannot be undone without time travel. Any legendary or mythical pokemon with some stake in the world's health should have been racing to collect those time gears BEFORE everything goes to shit. Instead of that, we got one shiny celebi who sends only two people to the past to try and fix it. She doesn't even go back to help them herself. It's fucking retarded.

I hate Super Mystery Dungeon's writing a lot, but it handled a world ending event like this infinitely better. They're holding psychic council meetings led by the creator of the entire world to stop the disaster.

>>58175284
>>58172848
Other legendary Pokemon don't give a shit. Remember Entei in Super. They are bigger fish in the pond but still subjected to being hunted and exploited, so many live in this between state of possesing immense power while also not wanting to take risks and be hunted, thus staying in the shadows.

>>58175386
>Dialga knows you and your partner saved his ass and by extension everyone elses ass
>doesn't intervene at all when his brother comes by planning to kill your ass
>Arceus is absolutely aware of the nonsense going on since he saves the future timeline yet leaves darkrai alone as he tries to talk you and your partner to kill yourselves

>>58175411
Okay, but there were still legendary pokemon in that game who did give a shit and did make an attempt to save the world. I'm not saying everyone's gonna unite to fix things, but not a single legendary pokemon cared enough to prevent an apocalypse? Not even Arceus? The creator of the whole world?

>>58172848
Hi there. Peter Griffin, creator of this post >>58172047 here to explain the things you consider plotholes.


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>Purpose of the time gears is to restore temporal tower in case it ever starts to collapse
>Time gears are not kept in the hidden land, nowhere near temporal tower
The sole reason this can happen, and that there is a prophecy about it in the first place, implies strongly that this might not be the first time time and space go out of whack. Dialga has proven that it is not reliable when its instincts act. And, as it is the only sentient Pokémon that lives in the Temporal Tower for extended periods of times, it simply cannot be alone here.
What we are told from the story is not the full picture, and there are mysteries left intentionally: why is no one else living in Temporal Tower or the Hidden Land? Could being this close to the tower affect regular Pokémon in the long-run, and also turning them feral like the ones in Dungeons?
The ancients probably assumed the best course of action is for the gears to be hidden in plain sight.

>Time gears are scattered all over the grass continent.
>Three are guarded by the lake trio, one by a fucking ditto, and one is completely unguarded in some random foes
We are not told the full story here. Even the lake trio who guard the gears do not know their true intentions. They think they have to protect the gears, instead of moving them. It is extremely possible that the true intent of the gears have been lost to time. Wigglytuff himself explains that everybody, even the worst of the worst, knows not to mess with Time Gears. It is an universal truth for this world that every Pokémon, no matter what, abides by. Even the rotten Team AWD stops right on their tracks when they find a gear, exclaiming that "everybody knows you don't take a time gear". It's so ingrained to them that, and I feel that this might be a game of broken telephone that spans through centuries.
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>>58175378
Lucario X any darkie

>>58175454
Worth adding that Darkrai planned to go do the exact same thing again after killing the player and partner. Dialga is the worst guardian of time in the world.

>>58175468
Oops. I don't know how to spoiler.
Well, if you are in this damn general you have to have completed the game. Idiot. Not my fault.

>>58172848
[CONTINUED]
>Temporal tower starts to collapse
>Dialga makes no attempt to gather the time gear
Already explained above. Dialgo is no longer rational as soon as the tower begins collapsing. All he can do is slow it down. Whatever system was meant to exist to prevent this maybe has long since stopped existing (could this be the Planetary Investigation Team? After all, we only hear of it in the future of Darkness, and Grovyle knows all there is to know about the tru nature of the gears. It is not farfetched to assume that the Pokémon of the future that managed to survive and not go crazy looked for the answers, and probably found them)
>Lake guardians are completely unaware and make no attempt to gather the time gears. Actively hinder anyone who tries
>No other mythical or legendary pokemon make an attempt to gather the time gears
Already explained with. If these don't know, what guarantee do you have that anybody older than them will? Could this have been thousands of years in the past?
All other legendaries reign on their own domains. We are told that "the world is paralysed"... But do we know that for sure? Surely there is more to this world. Many of the legendaries reside deep within Dungeons, and Arceus himself might not even BE in this world, as hinted by his statue.

>Nobody in the world has any clue what they're for so they don't gather the time gears
It is not strange for culture to be lost in the future. Have you ever heard of "long-term nuclear waste warning messages"? The idea that long after our civilisation, our messages and knowledge might be lost, but our hazardous materials remain. And we need a way of symbolise to future generations that something is dangerous. What if the time gear locations were this? What if the legend spread all over the world, and eventually got lost and mixed and twisted

>>58172848
>People only make a plan to gather the time gears when a human with magic powers shows up out of nowhere
>Plan to recover time gears does NOT involve explaining to people in the past why the time gears need to be collected
I think you stopped reading some of the game here, pal. Grovyle himself explains that nobody would ever believe this. Because the status quo is part of the universal truths. The message that has been kept through generations is "do not move the time gears, or something evil and dark will happen in the nearby area. And expand".
Even attempting this is dumb, and the Planetary Investigation Team themselves know this fully. Grovyle is not sure anybody will believe them, with only the partner telling anybody what is going on.
Also, mass hysteria would ensure if the whole world knew.

>Dialga actively tries to prevent the future from being fixed because "altering muh timeline"
Primal Dialga only cares about the total stopping of time. And he was right: altering the timeline DOES erase his. As far as he knows, his timeline is erased if this is ever stopped and it is too late to continue. He has also forego morals and anything, employing Dusknoir and Sableye as assassins. Remember that, at the end of the game, the real Dialga is constantly keeping tabs of the partner, and he feels for him with great empathy.

Like I said on >>58172047 though... The problems arise with the post-game story, and that's why I vehemently believe it was planned later. It's not enough to RUIN what came before, but you can notice the quality dip and asspulls.

>>58175284
>>58175386
>>58175391
>>58175477
Dialga is no in his good mental state any more. Meanwhile, Palkia is. He is just being manipulated in his dreams by Darkrai. He says so himself: that he has seen these two in his dreams constantly.
So it's not like he knows for sure they are affecting the time and space: it's that he has had a nightmare and he is emotional. These legendaries aren't cold. They have jobs, but at the end of the day they are also just Pokémon. Susceptible to fear like Palkia, or to losing their mind akin to a dungeon Pokémon like Dialga.
>>58175411
>>58175454
>>58175455
I don't put much stake on the other games because I haven't played at all, and they came later. So anything after is probably a retcon.

TL;DR - We needed extra histories about the ancient world and one about HOW the future team discovered the fix, when it was unknown in the present. And we needed to see the humans. What were they? How did they exist?

Humans are the biggest plot-hole. And Darkrai.

>>58175455
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edCqF_NtpOQ

>>58175551
Shit, you don't even have to look at future games to understand how legendary Pokemon are the most sensitive snowflakes in the franchise. You could be a guardian of something like lands, you could be protecting something, or you could just want to be alone. Either way a legendary Pokemon will always be hostile on sight because they feel threatened.
>enter their protected domain? They become hostile
Zapdos, Rayquaza
>they're guarding something and stranger explorers walk up? Can't take the risk, gotta kill them
They're all the same, untrusting reflexes towards violence. Really, I say it's a pretty realistic depiction for loner apex predators.

>>58175617
What a bunch of pompous bitches. I was right in hating them and wanting them gone from the franchise.

(I jest, but I truly feel that legendaries are not well represented in most Pokémon media. Maybe if they were only bosses, gym leader's Pokémons and not available to the player...)

Legendaries are like Greek Gods with extra animal instinct. They're not infallible, can be prideful and petty, and really do not like others meddling in their domain.

Like if there's something wrong with space, Dialga can't just go and fix it himself, because that's muscling in on Palkia's territory, so he's going to get mad, then they're going to fight, and that's going to cause all sorts of problems. So they usually just leave one another to their own devices unless there's some mass-extinction level event going on that they really can't ignore. At least that's how I see it

This whole argument about other legendaries not caring about the world getting paralyzed cause it's "not their job" is fuckin' retarded.

Let's say Dialga and Palkia are tasked by Arceus to run a pizza place for eternity. Dialga's job is to make the pizza and Palkia's job is to work the register.

Suddenly, Darkrai shows up and sabotages the pizza ingredients which threatens to destroy the pizza place. Dialga goes completely insane and makes no attempt to buy new ingredients or tell anyone else to get any. Palkia just sits around and does nothing about it because "it's not my job". Eventually the place shuts down because they're not selling any food and all the customers gotta go to Pizza Hut instead.

When Arceus finds out about this, both these niggas are getting fired.

>>58175799
Arceus is busy being a statue.

>>58175799
>This whole argument about other legendaries not caring about the world getting paralyzed cause it's "not their job" is fuckin' retarded.
You're right. In the real world this would never happen, like how China's smokestacks and subaquatic computer cooling farms are fucking up the enviroment and we all band together to use our powers for good and improve the environment by getting them to stop. Oh wait.
You are 100% correct that Dialga and Palkia could have solved the problem on their own but are mentally inept. Frankly the fact Arceus had to TF and isekai you to the Pokemon world to solve their fuckups should be evidence enough that the legends are mighty but just as retarded as the rest of us.

>>58175284
then who's the Mr. Evrart of mythical/legendaries?

>>58175836
>Arceus had to TF and isekai you to the Pokemon world
You didn't play the game

>...and then my other retarded kid just pops into their house and tries to spacial rend their "space-distorting" asses lmfao!
>anyway hows that future timeline lookin-

>Make a pokemon and task it with keeping time in check
>Make it so when time starts breaking down, the pokemon goes crazy
He really is shitposting

>>58176006
Maybe the Pokémon is the representation of that task.
Maybe Dialga does not control or manage time, but he is time itself.

>>58176016
>Maybe fanfic

>>58176020
That is quite literally why I said "maybe".

Cope

>>58175799
To be fair, Palkia in this analogy has absolutely no fucking clue how to make a pizza, probably at most a vague(-ish) idea of what the ingredients are, and no idea where to get any of them.
Even if they wanted to help, it's probably not going to go over well.

>>58176072
My brother in Christ, it is a pizza. Everyone in a pizza place knows what ingredients are in a pizza. Dough, sauce, cheese

>>58175902
I cant believe I mixed up my PMD lore and forgot Explorer's story like that. I'm going to go kill myself now. Pardon my shame

>>58176080
And that's where the metaphore falls apart.

>>58176192
You're saying Palkia doesn't at least know what the time gears are. I find it really hard to believe that a pokemon so closely tied to Dialga wouldn't know about them.

>>58176291
Ok, so you have a vague idea of what ingredients are in a pizza. Where are you going to get them? Do they need to be specific ingredients from specific suppliers, or is store-bought fine? Is the dough frozen/premade, or do you have to make it yourself? What kind of cheese goes on the pizza? How long do you leave it in for, and at what temperature? How do you prevent the evenly-matched-in-combat pizza maker from beating your ass with a pizza shovel while you try to figure out how to make these pizzas?

>>58176291
Motherfucker, the very guardians of the gear did not know what they do.
Even Lapras did not notice what was going on until Wigglytuff told him. And Lapras is in the know.

>>58176323
Palkia will have a far easier time of gathering the time gears given he is a legendary god-tier pokemon. There are no special time gears to collect, just gotta get all five of them. He would also be aware of temporal tower collapsing before it's fully destroyed. He could've at least tried to prevent time from stopping if he actually gave a shit, but for some reason he doesn't care at all because "it's not my job".

>>58176344
I feel like Palkia is a little bit more aware of legendary affairs than three lake guardians. He was created alongside Dialga

>>58176354
Palkia only acted because he was told in his dream that space was being distorted. Not because he knew on his own accord.
He noticed space distortion, but didn't know how to address and Darkrai seized the opportunity.
Palkia is as gullible. Just because he talks more it doesn't means he knows what to do.

>>58176360
Yet another issue with Explorers writing. Palkia can't even figure what the solution to his own fucking problem is. This is not the slam dunk you think it is

>>58176366
Like I said before in previous messages: The story begins showing its crack after the main story is over.
It really feels like filler.

>>58176368
No, it's shown in the original story. The postgame just makes it worse

>>58176369
I don't know. I think my explanations made some sense of that. Check them if you haven't:
>>58175468
>>58175493
>>58175522
>>58175551

I really wish we had been given a timeframe of events beyond the Guildmaster's accounts. We know that even when Wigglytuff was a baby, not displacing the Time Gears was common knowledge.
And where do humans come from?! In red/blue, the existence of humans made a little more sense because it is implied they were from the regular Pokémon world. But in this one? It makes no sense.

>>58176383
Your explanations were a load of fanfic explanation that handwave most of the issues away from "well they just don't know, okay?" and "other legendaries don't care obviously". The thing is, a lot of legendary pokemon should give a shit about an upcoming apocalypse and they've lived long enough that they'd likely have been through another one of these time crises that you've speculated on. The only valid argument is that every pokemon in the game is a superstitious moron or a regular moron, and that's not good writing

>>58176475
I mean, they are Pokémon. Animals at the end of the day.

>>58176482
I think we're just gonna have to agree to disagree, man. We're not gonna see eye to eye on this

>>58176348
Rayquaza did not notice the meteor that was close enough to affect tides, tremors, and the natural instincts of wild Pokemon in PMD1. I think you put too much credence into the legends, their knowladge and perceptions both of subjects they are and aren't familiar with.

This is what I write what I want and everyone can tongue my anus.

>>58176665
good morning sar

Death to all legendaries. The Pokémon world should be freed from their shackles and incompetence.

>>58176998
Unironically yes.
Maybe Regigigas was onto something in the scrapped lore.
>>58176658
Wait, yeah that's true. I forgot all about that. What the fuck is that. How can you not see it.

>>58176658
At this point I'm starting to think it really is canon that legendaries are retarded. Human supremacy. The most powerful natives can't look up without being ordered to do so

>>58177371
>Human supremacy.
opinion ignored

>>58177371
It makes sense why the normies are afraid of the legendary Pokemon but don't really revere them typically.

>>58177406
Of course you wanna submit to an animal, furfag

>>58177525
Of course you want to abuse animals, but you will deny this

>series focusing entirely on pokemon
>a human is still saving the day every single time
curious

>>58176998
Why kill them, just force Arceus to create sub-universe where all legendaries would eternally be locked into high-school sitcom and then it would be translated to all magic plates in the world. Also then Arceus and you can create merchandise and sell them to the anyone watching it without giving 90% to Chatot

>>58178097
No, kill God too

>>58177545
No I will not deny this. Somebody needs to beat the fuck out of these dumbass animals. Straighten their retard minds out

>>58179231
nobody cares what a dumb animal abuser wants

>>58179286
I might beat animals, but I'm not beating off to them like you. That's the difference between a real human like me versus a native loving faggot like you

>>58179256
I do not like the Skitty/Phanpy comic
Mainly because I don’t like the OC designs

>>58179303
toge, come get your dad.

>run dungeon
>die
>lose necessary items
>get more items
>repeat
fuck this stupid shit

>>58180359
just don't die
you didn't pick eevee, did you?