Thread 58117313

>let’s add held items back in
>but leave out abilities
>in this game that’s all about battling
??????
what were they thinking? They can’t have had their hands forced by mega evolution, LGPE did just fine without adding held items. Wtf was the thought process here

>>58117313 (OP)
where are you getting this info

>>58117317
Serebii write-up on the Z-A demo at Worlds
https://www.serebii.net/legendsz-a/preview/demo/

Real-time battles, with dodging and timing of attacks, add certain skill elements and nuance that have never existed prior. Abilities are not critical to have if it's made up for elsewhere.

>>58117322
Nice pyjamas, Joe.

>no abilities
There goes Shedinja.

>>58117323
yeah I was about to say, the main issue would be needing to probably rework every single ability to have new functions in this system, or at least a majority of them.

>>58117323
Abilities would add spice to the real time battles, which so far seem like spam attacks and dodge to win

>>58117313 (OP)
classic lamefreak
they always have to fuck shit up some way or other
i guess they're gonna hard code some abilities like huge power and parental bond

legends is a flop zpin off, this going to flop harder because nobody cares kalos flop nu gens, mega dragonite killed mega evolution too lmao

Held items are universal, and generally much more basic and easy to implement (heal, do more damage etc). Abilities are more complex and would require a complete revamp to fit the new battle system, maybe future Legends games will have them once they're more comfortable with it.

there are a lot of abilities with effects that were tied to the turn-based nature of the main battle system, a lot of Pokemon would have to have them completely redone to work

>>58117313 (OP)
Why would the game need to have abilities?

Not a competitiefag, but I wonder if this game has competitive battling potential. It'd be gen II with presumably more and better hold items, but still.

I do think it makes sense there are no abilities, mostly, since the lack of turns ruins how many abilities would work, but I think megapokemon should have abilities, it would be a good compromise since they wouldn't have to code as many and it would make megas feel more special and important for the big story battles, on top of feeling less nerfed (see Charizard Y or Kangaskhan).
The only mega abilities that would need to be reworked would be
>drought (make it so sunny day works by time now)
>trace (change it for something different entirely)
>moldbreaker (make it so all moves have more accuracy or something)
>sand stream (see drought)
>speed boost (gradually boosts the speed instead of at fixed amounts every turn)
>prankster (status move have reduced cooldown and the pokemon executes them faster)
>snow warning (see drought)
>healer (every x seconds there's a chance status conditions are healed)
The rest? Would work even in the current format

so many mega evolutions were about their abilities changing how their strategies work. it's a strange pairing to introduce so many in a game without them.

>>58117401
So Game Freak can fuck over various Pokemon without making it obvious.
And even then Pokemon that don't have it bad like Flygon will get all the attention while Pokemon that actually do like Tyrantrum will go ignored.

>>58117333
I want to give him a swirly so bad

Jesus fucking Christ I hate it when turn-based games add half-baked real time mechanics

>>58117552
>half-baked real time mechanics
Anon it's not a half baked real time mechanic, it's full real time now

>it's too hard to make abilities work in a real-time battle!

Well then don't fucking make it real-time then. Also hard to come up with any abilities that couldn't just be put on a timer or activated on a per-attack basis. Stop making excuses for Game Freak's incompetence

>>58117561
Just because it's fully real time doesn't mean it's not half baked

>>58117565
So you just wanted the same old battle system regurgitated again instead of actual innovation and progress? All for the sake of just keeping abilities in the game?

>>58117569
I'm saying it's not a turn-based game with real times mechanics, it's a real time-based game, retard.

>>58117582
Fucking yes! The battles are the only part of Pokemon that actually work! Game Freak is a terrible developer that absolutely cannot be trusted to do anything interesting with real-time action mechanics, which are oversaturated in the market to begin with.

>>58117313 (OP)
Abilities wouldnt even be able to function remotely the same in the first place because its a completely different from the ground up battle system.
It's not like PLA which had no excuse since the battle system was far closer to main series.

>>58117565
>Well then don't fucking make it real-time then
Why?

>>58117681
Would they? I imagine power multiplier abilities would work fine, so would "do this each turn" abilities making them work every x seconds or something
The only weird stuff would be priority I think

>>58117368
Oh no they’d have to do more work. You could make some generic abilities, give Pokemon all new ones, and then maybe unique for the megas.
There are solutions to implement abilities in an easy scalable way.

>>58117949
Why would they need to implement abilities?

What's the point of making a game about mega evolution without the fucking abilities!? Abilities are what give megas identity. Without them they're functionally just stat boosts which is boring as fuck. Megas that allowed for a new playstyle like Kangaskhan, Slowbro and Heracross are now effectively pointless.
Bravo, Gameshit.

>>58117313 (OP)
>I won't be able to use my best bro Mega Swampert with Swift Swim anymore
FUCKK
Also did Mega Mawile just fucking lost Huge Power? Might be the most cucked mega then (unless Game Freak changes some stuff).

Glad I was never interested in this game

>>58118099
Wait I just saw Merrick's video and the turn system seems different, so I might not even need Swift Swim after all (although I should probably have already guessed it with the game footage we already had...)
But I can still see some Pokemon that can lose important abilities, like M-Mawile's Huge Power.

>>58118124
There are no turns, the combat is real time

>>58118126
Yep, I forgot about that...
Will Shedinja ever appear in the Legends games if abilities are removed?

>>58118065
>Megas that allowed for a new playstyle like Kangaskhan, Slowbro and Heracross
None of these had a new playstyle beyond “I hit harder now”

>>58118004
They don’t need to but abilities bring a lot of character to Pokemon. Like what would Mega Kangaskhan be without Parental Bond?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA THIS IS AMAZING
WHATS THE POINT OF LIKE 90% OF MEGAS WHEN ABILITIES ARE OUT????
WHATS THE POINT OF MEGA BLASTOISE WHEN ITS BASICALLY A DOLLAR STORE KYOGRE WITHOUT MEGA LAUNCHER? MEGA MAWILE AND MEGA MEDICHAM? EL MAO!!!!! MEGA GLALIE? LITERALLY A CRYOGONAL LOL
MEGA ABSOL? PHYSICAL ZOROARK LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

>>58118131
Logically, it shouldn't, unless they change its stats, but then what's the point

>>58117313 (OP)
Abilities are too complicated for a first time implementation of real-time battles, most of them would need a complete overhaul just to make sense outside of a turn-based context.

>>58118242
Champions, kid, they want you to have LZA tied to your HOME account so you can unlock the new Megas in Champions. THAT'S where you'll get your abilities.

>>58118290
What are you even on about? Yes Champions will have abilities because its a battle sim
We are talking about the video game Pokemon Legends ZA here

>>58118242
>WHATS THE POINT OF [pokemon that's the same but hits harder] AND [pokemon that's the same but hits harder]

>>58118297
I'm explaining why they're making a game all about Mega Evolutions but no abilities. LZA is just the paid sample, Champions is the real deal.

>>58117333
i want to give him a pajamajob

>>58118242
How many megas are confirmed to be in that get fucked by not having an ability? Mawile?

>>58118367
Mawile's fucked, Aggron's an even bigger downgrade than usual, Kangaskhan is far more underwhelming, Pinsir quite literally has no way to use its new flying typing unless it arbitrarily learns some shit like Brave Bird so it gains more weaknesses for no reason, Sableye is borderline WORTHLESS without Magic Bounce to justify its defensive existence (20 base speed in a game where speed matters more than it ever has before LMAO), and Lopunny loses its novelty of being able to punch ghosts.

>>58117586
You missed the point so fucking hard.
Pokemon is a turn based franchise.

>>58118367
>>58118409
Why are you assuming they have the same stats or don’t have built in mechanics like Cherrim and Regigigas in PLA? Has your brain been rotted from the franchise being stagnant slop?

>>58118464
>A turn based franchise
oh fuck off, they don't give a fuck about the games anymore, it's a merchandise franchise

>>58118479
>b-but PLA
Cherrim's Sunshine Forme is tied to the species, not the ability, just like how Shedinja's 1 HP is a unique coding quirk to the species that has nothing to do with Wonder Guard, and GameFreak famously hates Regigigas so much that it can't even be good in a singleplayer game.

>>58118496
>th-those don’t count because it ruins my ability to screech over nothing

>>58117333
This dude really packs a suitcase full of stuffed animals when he travels?

>>58118499
Cool, so where's the part where any of what I described about those Megas are a species-specific quirk rather than an attribute granted by the ability? Where's the part of all the demo chatter where anyone who played the demo saw ability-like attributes surface from Mega Evolutions?

Ok about Megas losing important abilities...but what about regular pokemons? Do they lose stuff like Intimidate as well?

>>58118513
>they can make species specific quirks but they can’t make mega specific quirks because I’m a fucking retard who can’t comprehend anything if I haven’t already seen it before

How would you feel if you didn’t eat breakfast today?

>>58118526
Cool, can you prove where anyone who played the demo pointed out how their status moves kept getting reflected against the rogue Mega Absol boss fight? Oh wait...

>>58118464
No, you are missing the point, retard. This isn't a turn based game, previous ones being turn based doesn't matter here.

>>58117565
No abilities means no buy from me. The whole fucking point of megas is the batshit ability they have ontop of stats. The fuck is the point of Charizard X with no tough claws or Blaziken with speed boost?

>>58118539
damn I didn't know mega absol is the only mega in the game

sorry my bad

>>58118554
It's the only Mega you get to battle in the demo who has an ability effect you'd be able to tangibly research, compared to Mega Lucario's Adaptability which is much harder to get a feel for since it's a STAB booster on top of a mon who already has far stronger stats. But Magic Bounce would be extremely easy to sniff out because, again, all you'd have to do is use a status move and watch it get reflected back at you.

>>58118190
That's the point you fucking retard. They're mega evolutions, pushing a pokemon to its absolute peak. The abilities reflect that. Now there's no fucking reason as to why I would use them over normal evolutions.

>>58118552
>>58118569
Because odds are, you won't get to unlock those Megas in Champions unless you transfer over mons who are either native to or visited LZA. It doesn't matter how they're implemented in LZA because the end goal is to loophole the notion of "Champions is a completely free game with no in-app purchases" by technically making its content locked behind purchases related to completely different games, in similar fashion to how SV's VGC metagame was sharply defined by Hisui mons you couldn't get without some PLA purchases being in the equation somewhere.

>>58118562
damn anon you're right

the shinx you battle at the beginning of PLA doesn't have intimidate so that must mean regigigas won't have slow start either

>>58118599
Again, different circumstance. GameFreak hates Regigigas and refuses to let it be good, even in a singleplayer game, so they gave it Slow Start out of sheer spite. You're playing false equivalence.
Besides, wouldn't that be completely fucking retarded if only SOME Megas had special abilities while others got jack shit aside from the stat boost, with zero indicator of which is which?

>>58118409
>where speed matters more than it ever has before
Awesome, my favorite Pokemon is going to get fucked harder than before! And it doesn't even get to have Refrigerate now!
Thank you Game Freak for doing such lovely things to Aurorus! I appreciate it!

>>58118303
The narrative that makes more sense is that since Legends Arceus did cut that corner it's really easy for that corner to remain cut in ZA too

>>58118608
>IT’S DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT JUST…LE IS!!
How would you feel if you didn’t eat breakfast today?

>>58118655
Again, why should only SOME Megas get Abilities while others don't? With zero indicator of which is which?

>>58118660
>Again, why should only Cherrim, Regigigas, and Arceus get abilities while others don't? With zero indicator of which is which?
How would you feel if you didn’t eat breakfast today?

>Zygarde 100% won't be in the game because the game doesn't have abilities and therefore Power Construct won't exist
it's not heckin fair bros....why is game freak so lazy...

>>58118680
Cherrim's Sunshine Forme is not an ability, it's a cosmetic change.
Arceus doesn't have an ability either, it's being influenced by the Plates, which are independent of any abilities in this game.
GameFreak historically hates Regigigas and refuses to let it be viable, even in a singleplayer game.
>>58118683
If the leak's to be believed, you'll instead Mega Evolve Zygarde into its 100% form or something equivalent.

>>58118687
>IT’S DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT JUST…LE IS!!
How would you feel if you didn’t eat breakfast today?

>Aegislash will be stuck in Shield forme permanently because there's no Stance Change
this can't be happening bros

Imagine bringing back Megas and not translating abilities into the battle system. A lot of megas really depend on their ability to really matter and those that can do well without it still get massively hurt by the lack of them. Charizard Y sure is going to feel rewarding to use without Drought. Something like Latias or Latios won't care...and they'd probably be your best options to abuse megas with in a game like this.

>>58118690
>no refutation except the same tired non-sequitur
*holds up spork*

>>58118696
Mega Mawile stuck with 105 attack hurts the most

>>58118695
Yup, can't have Aegislash being too overpowered and detracting from the Megas, why use them when you already have a nuke that's both extremely powerful and extremely fast (by virtue of spamming Shadow Sneak, a move that will likely have an extremely low cooldown) by default?

>>58118715
Woah Mawile in this game has 105 attack? Post the datamine please

>>58118712
Answer the question. How would you feel if you didn’t eat breakfast today?

>>58118409
Pretty sure they showed a snippit of Kangaskhan in one of the trailers and it had the joey running around alongside it, so they might have just given him Parental Bond as an exception.

>>58118731
Not really, we saw it use moves in trailer footage and none of its attacks hit twice. Fuckers even gave it Power-Up Punch just to implicate the presence of Parental Bond, but it never showed signs of having it.

>>58118695
They can just tie it to moves instead

>>58118727
Obviously we won't know until the game comes out, but why give Mawile an attack boost but something like Absol won't have anything like Magic Bounce?

>>58118496
>Cherrim's Sunshine Forme is tied to the species, not the ability
That was true only In Gen IV

>>58118524
Yeah, they're not in the game, with maybe a handful of exceptions like Regigigas.

>>58117401
Some of the Megas (which is what they are advertising as the selling point) are heavily reliant on their abilities.

>Z-A has no abilities
>Is just a worse M-Gallade
Joke game lmao

>>58118524
Stupidest fucking post I've read today and that's saying something.

Most abilities would need a complete overhaul to work in real time.

>>58118898
There's someone arguing that Megas could have built in mechanics to compensate, so I was just asking for the regular ones jeez...

>>58118797
If the game is like the last legends game the stats will be heavily altered and inflated.

Regigigas will still hae Slow Start.

>>58117681
They already had to rework moves, why not rework abilities?

>>58118639
That's exactly what they were saying, anon

>>58118687
>this retarded
When you use a Plate on it, it gains the effect of holding the plate. If you give it the Legend plate, it automatically changes Type to one SE against your target when you use Judgement (which changes Type depending on the Held Plate).
The pokémon in L: A that were created around having an ability that does something (Regigigas, Arceus, Cherrim) were implemented with their abilities hard-coded to the creatures so it's most likely the pokémon with a super speshul Abilityform will ALSO get that super speshul abilityform hard-coded into the game.

>>58118942
Why would it be in the game?

>>58118797
Obviously, in those cases the abilities will be hard coded in, like Regigigas in PLA

>>58118524
You might actually be the stupidest person using the internet right now

>>58118608
>hate
>spite
regigigas was not conceived as a powerful pokemon, but an ancient titan waking up from a slumber.
i wouldn't be opposed to slow start being reworked (even 2 turns would still make him weak) but the idea that they 'hate' the thing because they maintain the gimmick that's fundamental to its concept is retarded.
would you be saying the same thing if they hardcoded truant for slaking?

>>58119447
>it's supposed to suck!
Shut up, Masuda

>>58119006
Moves are a lot easier to translate. Abilities are a lot more vague and abstract.

Why are people so autistic about Pokemon games?

I feel like people have experienced so much Pokemon that they'll never be fully happy with any new Pokemon game ever again. I recently got back into Pokemon after only playing Pokemon Yellow when it released and Pokemon Stadium and Black & White and Im looking at all these complaints and it sounds like a bunch cunts who have consumed so much pokemon that they will always not like something here and there that is missing from a game or a change or some kind of tweak.

Meanwhile, I'm over here and I'm just really excited by this game and the idea of a cool mystery Pokemon story and setting and a fun real-time battle system with a load of Pokemon to catch and battle.

My ignorance of Pokemon helps me just simply just feel excited by what Legends ZA is offering.

>>58118507
Those look like plushies he bought at the event.

>>58119524
Povvos can't comprehend people just *buying* things when they go to what's essentially a convention for fans of one vidya game.

>>58117313 (OP)
>WHY DID GAMEFREAK REMOVE X/Y/Z???
Because you will buy it anyway. That's the reason, as with any good feature that they cut out. Every normalfag slave will buy it anyway because they see Charizard and Pikachu.
This is why BW didn't sell btw.

>>58118065
Didn't Mega Slowbro have shell armor? Bad example. Its ability was a nerf since it didn't have regenerator anymore.

Do we know if IVs or EVs are in the game?

>Held Items
>No Abilities
Another win for Gen 2 sisters

>>58119805
Check the other thread

>>58119602
This is also why LZA isn't taking any cues from PLA, because it didn't have Charizardrino, thus the game was deemed an uberflop outside of autists.

>>58117401
Because abilities are one of the things that help make each Pokemon feel a bit more unique from each other, ranging from obvious shit like Shedinja's entire shtick and Zoroark's Illusion and the various Pokemon that start weather on switching in, to more mundane things like Sturdy, or Pickup.