Thread 58131190

Welcome back Raging Bolt edition

>I want to learn the game, where do I begin?
Download PTCGL at https://tcg.pokemon.com/en-us/tcgl
The game has a quick tutorial and a bunch of decent decks to get you started against other beginners or against the AI. Some of those decks are very close to meta too. You can also go to your local game store and see if people are playing Pokémon.

>I know how to play, how do I make my own deck?
You have a decent beginner's guide at https://www.justinbasil.com/guide
There's also the old /tcg/ guide at https://imgur.com/a/W4NkOu6
After that, look up meta decks and try to reverse engineer them to see how things work.

>Where to find meta decks?
For big irl events, go to https://limitlesstcg.com/decks
For online events, go to https://play.limitlesstcg.com/decks?game=PTCG
For japanese events, go to https://pokecabook.com/archives/1417

Previous thread: >>58123562

Old /tcg/ pastebin: https://pastebin.com/Ge95YuMA

>Welcome back Raging Bolt edition
>A combination of a basic and a stage 2, one of which has a rain dance ability

That definitely resembles how we play Raging Bolt decks. Or are you saying that Oricorio will be used as Raging Bolt's energy accelerator despite being worse than Ogerpon and Ethan's Ho-oh?

Dragonite with Crispin + Eel to start, then Eel onto another Dragonite every turn. You still have more Crispin in case they snipe the Eels. Shouldn't be too hard to 246 them.

>>58131220
>>58131183
Chienpao (and bax) actually rotates shortly the charizard set releases
There's actually no water support left in format.

I think the joke they're implying is it's an unlimited scaling attack for discarding board energy. Since sada/earthen vessel rotating next year will pretty much kill raging bolt as a deck

>>58131231
>>58131220
there's a confirmed Mega Greninja set coming in Japan

>>58131231
>There's actually no water support left in format.
He gets his stadium in the next set. That's all you need to deal with a fire lizard.
Misty's starmie with a silver bangle only does 340 damage
151 vaporeon OHKOs mega zard but would flareon even use it while it is legal?

>>58131236
The question is how bad will it be. They're not going to print a counter to their precious charizard so soon. Didn't you see how long it took for them to print a grass attacker even capable of hitting high enough to beat tera zard?

Greninja's gimmick has always been about bench sniping anyway. Watch it snipe 180+ but isn't possible to hit the active like zeraora, so no 2x weakness on charizard lmao. I can fucking see it happening now that I mention it

>>58131261
>Get ex stuck in hand
>Iono rotating
>Lillie shuffle and draw into the ex again
Many such blunders will happen

>>58131273
at least we have Mega Gatr for potential synergy with the 1 prize gatr (or at worst, a huge hp wall to trap stuff with)

mega venusaurbros… we were supposed to be too big to fail…

>>58131319
Security guard zard is there to ensure you don't get to enjoy forest of giant plants 2.0

AAAAA

close enough
WELCOME BACK CARD OP!

>>58131261
at least Mega Starmie is coming

>>58131426
>Having to use THIS
>To beat charizard
Embarrassing...

>>58131261
>>58131426
>Misty's starmie with a silver bangle only does 340 damage
>Can't use them together with the same evolution line
i fucking hate trainers pokemon so much.
n's zoroark would've been great standalone if you could also evolve into the new mindjack foulplay one

get your baked buns now before they spike in price.

>>58131570
>G
ohnonono

You can't even cornerstone cheese charizard anymore, it's not no ability

>>58131190 (OP)
Is this guy a hacker?
Also I've been seeing sleeves with Worlds on them but I was literally just there and never got them.

>>58131668
Live is just buggy

>Also I've been seeing sleeves with Worlds on them but I was literally just there and never got them.
>>58120559
I dunno how you get them now worlds is over.. there's gotta be a code they gave out to you guys who went there. Otherwise how were you meant to obtain them. Twitch says it lasts till the 19th so you might be able to watch tomorrow for it?
You could try asking in the pocket general, they might have a spare code from getting the pocket rewards from the same twitch promo

>>58131680
Ahh I see. I already used a code from the livestream, as I looked up "worlds livestream codes" and used them. I got a bunch of promos.

>>58131680
there's a worlds rebroadcast afaik

>>58131694
By stream I meant there was a promo for watching it on twitch.
See tomorrow if PokemonTCG or Pokemon channels are reuploading the event, I believe they might. It would give you a chance to watch 1h30m for the world sleeves reward here then.
Otherwise you'll have to see if someone has a spare code they'll give you

>>58131708
I kinda thought that considering the end date is the 19th in the twitch drop event. Gives people like anon who attended worlds a chance at them too

>>58131720
When you say Pokémon Channels, do you mean YT?

>>58131591
>mimikyu rotates too
sylveon you're my only hope for walling people on ladder...

>>58131750
Twitch. They often do watch drop events there to obtain stuff in PTCGL
https://www.twitch.tv/drops/campaigns
https://rewards.pokemon.com/

>>58131750
no it's only on twitch.

>>58131775
Fuck.

>>58131767
crustle exists...

>>58131798
>fire weakness
would get blown up by oricorio putting energy on charmeleon or whatever 1 prizer they'll play

they've carefully planned out to release this charizard
>no water attackers to kill it for weakness
>able to easily ohko everything while nothing else can
>ex counters are gone or have easy ways to avoid them
>cornerstone walling is ignored
>milotic walling is ignored

>>58131798
mega zard is most definitely playing baby chi yu

>>58131825
Don't forget the 360hp to push it out of range of
>Ethan's Magcargo
>Ethan's Typhlosion with 4 ethans, gravity mountain, silver bangle, one victini
>5 energy raging bolt
>7 energy gholdengo (You'll need energy in hand to attach for turn and double SER to ko it)

>>58131854
I could see lists upgrading to 1-prizers like gouging fire since you are no longer limited to 3 energy attachments per zard.

>>58131854
nta but that's G so it would rotate a bit after. there's really not many fire 1 prizers to use post rotation as of now.
turtonator is probably the best option here
>50+20 burn to avoid fez on 70 HP basics and also retreat locks
>180 for 4 to ohko everything weak to fire besides venusaur

>>58131868
oh or potentially victini, depends how wide charizard will go. there's no pidgeot then too

>>58131854
>>58131865
Forgot the card. The 40 damage less at 5 prizes seems like a reasonable trade-off for higher damage the rest of the time.

>>58131871
I saw that but it seems worse than turtle >>58131868
The decks gonna play a lot of energy recovery for zard anyway so the +1 energy isn't as punishing when oricorio can dump it all on board for free

>>58131825
>>58131865
I just realized this as well

>Oricorio accelerates all your fire energy
>Free to manually attach dark to munki
>Charizard is often surviving a hit
>180 + 30 hits 210 breakpoint of support mons
>270 + 30 hits 300 breakpoint of basic megas
>360 + 30 dmg hits 390 which ohkos every mega in format
You get to cheat discarding an energy if you use munki

YAAAAAS QUEEN SLAY

How do i get to 370 with my typhlosion
Bros...

>>58132048
Thats the near part. You don’t. Should have uses a shillmon instead

>>58132053
1 prize decks arent allowed to exist in a 3 prize format bud

>>58132060
I guess gravity mountain + black belt/kieran + bangle is enough
it might be over, noone played it at worlds either

Must....consooom all the garde cards

>>58131190 (OP)
What do I do if I wanna participate in official TCG (and VGC) tournaments but there are no events in my country?

hydrapple ex can still easily OHKO zard
I know I'm gonna get burned but still works

>>58132094
hmmm I wonder what cards they're planning to railroad the meta into
can't possibly be mega charizard and mega gardevoir

>>58131771
>>58131775
I didn't get the drop. I connected my accounts, watched the whole TCG portion of the stream, and got nothing.

>>58132092
because typhlosion loses on setup more often than it doesn't

>>58132247
I went to here
https://rewards.pokemon.com/
then I logged into and connected my account then clicked on "view inventory"

What's a good deck to pick up? Been trying Eevee box and it's fun but you can't do anything against decks that stonewall you with crustle or anti tera etc. I like decks with multiple typing options

>>58132807
those can just be an autoloss
if they're too popular, just tech one of the non ex flareons, or gust something else and angelite it to their deck, which could slow them down enough

sometimes I wonder if people playing typhlosion on ladder want to kill themselves then as I go against someone playing that
then I realise I am also playing it and frequently have suicidal thoughts

Can I please stop going against pedostrat every single game
Do you really enjoy sitting through 100 froslass triggers every game

>Discard all energy off charizard
>Threaten wally healing next turn

You gusted my oricorio? Thinking it would brick me like bax/cheinpao?
Too bad I can easily get it back with night stretcher since it's a basic LOL!

Kill Munkidori. Behead Munkidori. Roundhouse kick a Munkidori into the concrete. Slam dunk a Munkidori baby into the trashcan. Crucify filthy Munkidori. Defecate in a Munkidori food. Launch Munkidori into the sun. Stir fry Munkidori in a wok. Toss Munkidori into active volcanoes. Urinate into a Munkidori gas tank. Judo throw Munkidori into a wood chipper. Twist Munkidori heads off. Report Munkidori to the IRS. Karate chop Munkidori in half. Curb stomp pregnant Munkidori. Trap Munkidori in quicksand. Crush Munkidori in the trash compactor. Liquefy Munkidori in a vat of acid. Eat Munkidori. Dissect Munkidori. Exterminate Munkidori in the gas chamber. Stomp Munkidori skulls with steel toed boots. Cremate Munkidori in the oven. Lobotomize Munkidori. Mandatory abortions for Munkidori. Grind Munkidori fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown Munkidori in fried chicken grease. Vaporize Munkidori with a ray gun. Kick old Munkidori down the stairs. Feed Munkidori to alligators. Slice Munkidori with a katana.

Was Gardevoir winning worlds peak soulless?

>>58133372
>Accusing others when posting Frieren

>>58133482
so is there a world where the meta isn't a 50/50 split between charizard and gardevoir, when both are 360HP, both oneshot everything in one turn's worth of attaches and both have a way to be instantly full healed with no downside? nothing else can even remotely contend with that

>>58133504

Nah it was peak soul. Soulless would have been Gholdengo being 30% of the meta and sweeping top 8 because it’s a brainless deck that’s also clearly bdif.

it's always interesting listening to gardevoir products and their opinion on game balance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uj-A1J_rf0

>Mewtwo thinks he's part of the meta
LMAOOO

>>58133770
budew is my favorite part of this scene. you can't even see the guy he's like a pixel compared to everyone else

>>58133504
>Deck with the highest skill expression won worlds
If anything that's soul. Just because it's popular doesn't make it soulless.

>>58133770
>MY TIER D HEROES!
>And raging bolt....

>>58134222
>I can't believe people who wanted to win played a deck that gave them a shot at winning. They should've played the trash pile I like to make me happy.

>>58134222
Gardevoir has as much skill expression as lugia and mew vmax lol.
When you're so overtuned you have the freedom of having various outs that's soulless

>>58134296
>When you're so overtuned you have the freedom of having various outs that's soulless
>Having flexibility and options is soulless. Decks should be rigid one-trick-ponies to get my respect.

>>58134296
Ok then, what other deck has higher skill expression? And I'm not talking about power, that's another discussion, I'm talking about the knowledge and ability to play optimally depending on the current board state and matchup. If anything having lots of options is a requirement for high skill expression.

Now that Worlds is done, what would you say the current tier list is?

What's the deal with Flutter Mane tech in Gardevoir? I can only think about how it fucks over Charizard and Grimmsnarl (but hey might just not evolve until killing it) and slightly inconvenience gholdengo and zoroark I guess, anything else?

>>58134573
disables thorns

>>58131190 (OP)
What is the value of this card?

>>58134428
Tier S : Gardevoir
Tier A : Dragapult, Gholdengo, Raging Bolt
Tier B : Grimmsnarl, Charizard, N's Zoroark
Tier C : Joltik, Tera/ogerponbox, Eevee, Roaring Moon
Tier D : Ethan's, Rocket's, Millotic, Crustle, Archaludon, Toedscruel, Blissey, Ceruledge
Tier Z : Apples


I'm objectively correct.

I don't want to play a stage 2 deck. I need them to make a new big basic deck that doesn't suck. Roaring Moon can't do shit as long as Munkidori exists, Raging Bolt's matchups suck, and Tera Box seems like a one-of-everything pile now.

>>58134656
You have Joltik box for basics too, Zoroark, Dengo are Eeveebox stage 1 decks. Raging Bolt matchups are great wtf are you on about?
I honestly don't know what else do you want, it might be not perfect but there are options for sure.

>>58134693
>Raging Bolt matchups are great wtf are you on about?

>>58134364
How about my loyal three deck? Big basics allow a lot of room to tech in cards like 6 different attackers, 4 different stadiums and both munkidori.

Pokémon: 8
2 Morpeko PAR 121
1 Roaring Moon ex PR-SV 67
2 Munkidori TWM 95
3 Okidogi ex SFA 36
1 Squawkabilly ex PAL 169
2 Pecharunt ex SFA 39
1 Munkidori ex SFA 37
1 Fezandipiti ex SFA 38

Trainer: 19
1 Exp. Share SVI 174
2 Super Rod PAL 188
3 Binding Mochi SFA 55 PH
4 Janine's Secret Art PRE 112
1 Gravity Mountain SSP 177
4 Pokégear 3.0 SVI 186
1 Pal Pad SVI 182
4 Nest Ball SVI 181
2 Boss's Orders PAL 172
2 Earthen Vessel PAR 163
2 Ultra Ball SVI 196
1 Jamming Tower TWM 153
2 Iono PAL 185
1 Megaton Blower SSP 182
1 Lively Stadium SSP 180
3 Professor's Research JTG 155
1 Carmine PRE 103
1 Team Rocket's Watchtower DRI 180 PH
1 Kieran PRE 113

Energy: 1
10 Basic {D} Energy SVE 15

Total Cards: 60

>>58134710
Jankshit discarded.

>>58134721
>meta slave doesn't know shit
Don't you have streamers to brown nose? Why did they let you out of your kennel?

>>58134749
Streamers and youtubers are the ones who often push jankslop lmao what are you on?

>>58134749
>meta slave
So you're one of those types. Just like with any other game, you hate the meta / decks that are actually good because the trash you want to play can't keep up with them. You're not interested in playing something better, you just want everyone else in the mud with you so you can keep playing garbage.

>>58132433
Yeah that's what I did. Nothing.

>>58134753
>still no argument
>knows what streamers and youtubers are doing
So I am right on both arguments.

>>58134760
>trash you want to play can't keep up with them
You must know everything, so what's my win rate? I put in joke cards because I cannot keep up? Projecting your retardation on others? Not everyone is a dog like you.

>>58134816
>what's my win rate?
If you took that list to my local store i'd say you would have around 20% winrate. How close did I get?

>>58134827
>around 20% winrate
Its more than double that, but you are projecting your skill level again.

>>58134816
>You must know everything, so what's my win rate? I put in joke cards because I cannot keep up? Projecting your retardation on others? Not everyone is a dog like you.
I don't care what your winrate is, I've just heard it all before. Across every game I've ever played, there have always been people like you. Are you going to start talking about originality next? How you're so much better because you came up with your own thing, you're not like everyone else who's just a meta slave/drone. How dare someone play what's been proven to win, they should be original and unique like you. That type of nonsense.

>>58134850
40%? So still negative? That's something to be proud of?

>>58134856
>40%
>Retard cant read too

>>58134852
>How dare someone play
How do you get this ass mad about a deck you know nothing about? Sperg out whenever anyone says meta slave?
>If anything having lots of options is a requirement for high skill expression.
Is my deck missing options?

>>58134359
>>58134364
Flareon? Gholdengo/joltik?
Gardevoir is so overtuned you can fuck up and still be fine. but these if you mess up you're punished for it.

>>58134877
>Retard cant read too
"More than double" of 20% is what, 40-45%? You're a moron.
>Is my deck missing options?
Yeah, it's shitty theme deck pile. It's a worse version of every other poison package variant you could be playing, and you know that. If you wanted to play poison shit, you know there are better options, but I imagine you would refuse every time because they're actual decks. You want your homebrew so you can keep your unwarranted sense of superiority. As I said, I've heard it all before. Anyone who plays something real is beneath you because they didn't come up with it themselves. It's pathetic.

>>58134628
Z is just a better S

>>58134947
Anon, come on. Dengo plays itself.

>>58135001
No, it's hard. You can't just Coin Bonus for 2, Coin Bonus for 1 Coin Bonus for 1, Fez for 3 into Superior every time. That almost never happens, you have to play really carefully. Ciphermanic takes a lot of planning to get right.

>>58135001
>He missed the frankenstein joltik+gholdengo deck that just won senior worlds

>>58135017
>Are they playing a big guy deck? I attack with Gholdengo. Are they playing a little guy deck? I attack with Iron Hands.
The complexity.

>>58134974
>still putting 40
>poison package
How did you fail both math and reading? Aren't you autists supposed to be good at something?
>I've heard it all before
I am right about you being a know it all, and you not knowing shit about the deck. Do you have an argument about anything or just here to cry and shit? Meta dog lmao

>>58135027
Miles more complex than gardevoir you gooner
>Use the same acceleration each time
>Use the same attackers each time

>>58135040
>>Use the same attackers each time
Gardevoir has 5 attackers.
Driflon, Scream Tail, Gardevoir ex, Mew and Lillie's Clefairy. You can swap one of them for the Jellicient variant. I'm not even counting budew or Munkidori which you can certainly attack with depending on situation.

Way to show you know absolutely shit, Gardevoir is probably one of the decks with the most attackers out of the whole meta.

>>58135040
>you gooner
There aren't enough words in any human language to express how much I hate brainrotted idiots who speak like this.

> Decks being meta means they have “no skill”

Control is therefore the most skillful archetype, as you have to put in copious amounts of work to achieve a tie in a best of one.

Were 3-prizers ever actually enjoyable in any format?

They had two chances to make it work but I always hear people complaining about Tag Teams and VMax Pokemon being bullshit. The Megas do look a step down in terms of power level so I could see them being used more sparingly.

The people who complain about "no skill meta slaves" are the same kind of people as LowTierGod. All that mindset does is hold you back.

>>58135145
>Tag Teams and VMax Pokemon being bullshit.
They were. Tag Teams were broken just for the sake of being broken and Vmax's were made in response to that, which lead to stuff like Shadow Rider, Mew and Lugia. Tag Teams were pretty universally hated, that's why SUM-LOT is such a beloved retro format, it's right before all that shit started.

>no skill meta slaves
Image being so mad you start making up posts. Hopefully your handlers trained you past the grumpy dumpies phase.

>>58135145
No, they were too broken and pushed out everything else
Even these ones look the same
>All are spamming 300+ for 3 energy easy
>When even hydrapple needs to shit out 9 energy to hit 300
>Charizard just discards 4 for 360 lol
>Latias, dragonite and manectric all hit 300-330 discard 3
Charizard X looks massively oppressive, it hits far too high numbers way too easily. All older archetypes can't hope to hit 360+ HP of the new megas, it will become mega vs mega like previous 3 prize metas..

>>58135183
That's why the 280 meme number is so funny with all the recent cards, because here comes Charizard that can easily do 500 damage if it wanted to.

I joined in SV and honestly coming from other TCGs the meta seems healthy and open enough currently. Only thing from my perspective that I wish was different was prizing, it's a rich get richer type of mechanic. And Boss's orders. That shit is so telegraphed and you might as well bend over

>>58135145
no, teamup-on was a beyond awful format where games were decided on turn one and players were basically meat puppets piloting lists that required no decision making at all
it was as close to yugioh as pokemon would ever get in terms of just being able to reduce the outcome of a match to a coinflip where whoever called the coin won 2 games to 1

>>58135174
tag teams are the worst state the tcg had ever been in since stormfront but lets not pretend that pre-crimson invasion and forbidden light-on was even slightly playable
pre-crimson invasion
>lol we printed broken time space for grass and item lock vileplume in the same set surely this is what players want to sit down at the other side of the table against
>guardians rising no one remembers what the meta was like since they were too busy beating each other to death for copies of tapu lele gx
>and then burning shadows comes along and every single deck is either zoroark or gardevoir
forbidden light-on
>lol ultra necrozma malamar forced meta because fuck natural deckbuilding
>lmao look at this retard trying to take prize cards when beast ring exists
>also for fuck sake can we just have rotation already so buzzwole stops being able to sledgehammer everything for 150+
celestial storm only added an obnoxious orangaru / steven's resolve stall deck that won or lost instantly on setup and then lost thunder began violently shoving electric decks in our faces as the first horrible taste of what was yet to come

>>58133770
Replace every Pokemon except for Raging Bolt with Meganium, Tropius, and Aurorus and this would be based.

I tried out Joltik box for the first time today and it was fun.
Is it going to have options post-rotation? Not sure if i want to commit to building it physically.

>>58135401

Now, technically there's no sure way to know as we don't know what cards we're getting in the future...

...but as it stand the deck is pretty much dead once rotation hits. You lose both Miraidon and Iron Hands which are the only reasons the deck is still relevant.

>>58135401
like the other anon said, losing hands is going to massively ruin the deck. you're better off pivoting to zekrom/manectric using dynamotor

>>58135495
>>58135423
Damn, figured as much.
Unfortunately i'm one of those fags that's allergic to playing meta but I do like Zekrom. I've mainly been playing Roaring Moon but that's also losing key parts.

Anyone got experience playing rocket's porygon? It seems the most similar to Roaring Moon but maybe I should just try something new. Was thinking about that or Archaludon.

>>58135536
zekrom isn't really too meta, it's like joltik tier now
https://pokecabook.com/archives/1417

porygon is kind of a meme deck i wouldnt recommend it. archaludon is solid currently, but once megas start releasing it's gonna be bad. megas are doing 300+ to ko other megas so archaludon isn't tanky anymore which was it's niche now

>>58135561
Oh yeah, I mean that in a "I dont want to play garde/pult/gholdengo" way.
I'm still kinda new to playing [I started a little after Pocket dropped because playing that pissed me off] but maybe I'll just sit out the next few sets cause I never liked Megas. Oh well.

>>58135573
Anything tier3 is fun while being good enough to vs meta tier1-2
>but maybe I'll just sit out the next few sets cause I never liked Megas.
megas will probably be around for about 2 years honestly. they renamed the the expansion names from "scarlet&violet" to "mega series" so they're planning on releasing quite a lot of sets featuring megas.

>>58135585
>Anything tier3 is fun while being good enough to vs meta tier1-2
Good to know.
I'm thinking more the immediate next few sets. Maybe if I like how Manectric plays but idgaf about most of the other mons so I'm williing to wait and see what else crops up between now and then

hopefully the mega evolutions power creep isn't oppressive. it's not like power creep is needed to get the booster boxes to sell

>>58134428
>s tier
the decks I play
>f tier
the deck my opponent plays
>>58135230
The meta feels great for me too. I agree about bossing for game being kinda meh. But get used to seeing it for another 3 years. Which makes me think I should probably grab the bloodmon SIR from twilight masquerade while its still $30

>>58135618
initially it will feel like it until we get mimikyu reprints etc. the anti-mega cards
you can't really top charizard in terms of powercreep tho
>retarded dmg scaling
>massive hp itself
>engine is a basic pokemon

>>58135561
HER GAME
HER META
HER THRONE

ALL HAIL THE QUEEN

I am not falling for the mega garde hype like I did with jellicent. I will continue to use the extra space for more munkidoris

>>58135794
>Went all in on the hype with jelli
>Tried it out at a local tourney
>Saw the writing on the wall
>Managed to sell them fast at the same price I got them
Phew
But I believe Mega Gardy is gonna see play as a one off, you are already running the evo line and it can ohko most megas with the aid of a munkidori or two.

>>58135794
after seeing charizard wtf is the point in mega gardy
>50x the energy you have in play
>You need 8 energy in play to ohko charizard
>Charizard just slaps 4 energy and deletes your ass

>>58131190 (OP)
Unironically, how do we solve the prize question?

>>58135882
Mega Gardevoir only needs 7 energy and one munkidori or 6 energy plus 2 munkidori, that's easily doable, even more so once the gardy stadium drops.

>>58135882
>Charizard just slaps 4 energy and deletes your ass
>4 energy
I don't think the extra 30hp on mega zard changes the match-up very much. Oricorio-ex would just be a liability for scream tail to target if they want to use the mega.

>>58135941
He might mean post rotation where you will never have munkidori pings with mega gardevoir vs mega zard.

>>58135955
Ah, yeah of course I guess but that's kind of a useless discussion as we still have a couple sets before rotation and I'm willing to bet my left nut they will keep printing gardevoir support one way or another.

>>58135941
>>58135955
>>58135963
yeah it's post rotation. JP isn't even using mega gardy as is
50x seemed strong initially for dealing with bloated mega HP. but charizard just makes that look utterly worthless...

>>58135963
>they will keep printing gardevoir support one way or another.
>Flutter Mane ex
>Ability: Graceful Fluttering
>"If you have Gardevoir ex in play, you may use this Ability. Take all of your remaining Prize Cards."

>>58136004
>SV era over
>We never got iron jugulis ex either
i am MAD

I'm wondering if the the tcg designers are actually going to go through with adapting every single mega pokemon.

There's going to be like, 70 or 80-ish megas in total once Z-A releases, so that means either the Mega Evolution era will last multiple years or the meta will basically be flooded with almost solely Mega Evolution Pokemon for a long-ass time.

>>58136152
See >>58135585
>they renamed the the expansion names from "scarlet&violet" to "mega series" so they're planning on releasing quite a lot of sets featuring megas.

the fact we're getting a mega rayquaza set when there's almost certainly not in ZA means the TCG will be adapting all the megas not in ZA still. TCG never really cared about dexit mons anyway
we'll probably get megas till towards gen10.

I miss shitting on Lugia

>>58136152
megas will probably be as common as teras are now.
>>58136285
I miss milling all my supporters with pokestop

Gardechads tell me, why can't we stop winning?

>>58135910
Draw 13, put 6 prizes of your choice?

>>58135910
Print special cards whose use is to be prizes. They can be as cheap as basic energies.
Otherwise just let players look at their prizes freely, honestly there is no merit for prize checking besides faking depth/skill expression for the sake of it. While we are at it, why don't we forbid players to look at discard piles that way they have to pay attention on what has been played during the match. Stupid.

>>58135910
just git gud or move to pocket
not that hard, bruh

>>58136483

I’d be down for this.

You still include an element of variance and improvisation while also avoiding being completely fucked over every so often.

You also wouldn’t have to deal with 5 minutes of prize checking all the time.

>>58133534

Yes, because good single prize archetypes have been created that were a fair bit better than a lot of 3-prizer decks, and even BDIF.

Notably Lost Box and Regis during SWSh.

You just have to hope the designers actually put time into making interesting deck designs rather than just going with the ol’ 500 hp ex that shits 1000 damage into the active every turn.

>>58132094
These booster boxes might as well not exist lol
Fuck me man

>>58136499
whats funny about that image is that the pult player prized every attacker and still won the match.

>>58136592
Instead of spending money on boxes and not getting the card you want, you can just spend the money on the card you want.

>>58136658
The lady at my league place always keeps 1 box for me
after that i also only go for singles

WHAT IS THE LONGEST/MOST COMPLICATED DESCRIPTION FOR AN ATTACK OR ABILITY

>>58136850
The example I see most often. Triggers ability upon ko, turns into a stadium, then gets to return to your hand.

>>58135331
>tag teams are the worst state the tcg had ever been in since stormfront
I only collected in that era and even then was stopping. What was so bad about stormfront?

>>58137140
They printed this and didn't think the game would regress into players having to sit through their opponent taking 15 minutes picking up and putting down uxie & crobat-G over and over to draw their entire deck, removing the opponent's entire bench and then killing their active because you could make sableye hit for 70
and this is when you could guarentee you went first so your opponent never got to play the game

Hear me out
>mega charizard x as a main attacker
>oricorio to attach energy to the bench
>ethan's quilava as an engine to search for ethans adventure and draw three fire energy to hand
>oneoff ethan's typhlosion as a oneprize attacker
Might be too clunky having multiple evolution lines but I bet it could work

>>58135955
i've seen people say ethan's ho oh is better than oricorio because of larger health and can start setting up at the start of the game

>>58135882
i can see it as a tech in normal gardy decks

another day of live another day where every single opponent is playing pedostrat
no one plays anything else
i might as well be playing against bots

>>58137308
Wtf are you even schizobabling about?

>>58137750
sorry having to play against the same
>munkidori and 56 other cards
and nothing else wears on anyone's sanity and patience
sadly i conceded a game so now i'm in loser's queue and getting opening hands where my options are research or die

garbage blog post

munkidori product spotted

>>58137765
And the prize defender says, if you don't like it just go play another game.

>>58137788
>just go play another game.
word.

>>58137812
once i finish pushing to master league i'll call it for a while
i'm already only playing crayon eater so that games end one way or the other sooner but it's not alleviating the tedium enough

>>58137814
pushing to masters is always a tedious grind. I stopped doing it myself and just play ranked to practice for cups and challenges.

>>58137844
it's not even difficult because you gain 10-13 on a win and drop 2-5 on a loss
but I just want to go against different decks instead of seeing the same thing repeatedly
it's not even like the game changes at all at master league it's more of the same so you might as well just bounce at that point

Remember when they tried to make Hop's deck a thing? LMAO

>>58138296
i went against that once and turns out if you don't get a particularly great start it just oneshots your entire board for no energy and there's not a lot you can do to really stop it at that point

>>58138296
tranny played it on stream at a regional
thats when I knew it was a tranny deck

>>58138296
>>58138415
>>58138434
It's a deck that needs a lot to not really do much when there are other decks in the format that do a lot for next to nothing.

I will play froslass with no marnie pokemon this weekend. Most people don't even run switch anymore. I don't aim to win the tournament but to ruin a couple faggot's day and make them consider running tech against me in the future just to never play in that store again.

/tcg/bros we are so fucking dead

Until you can accept prizes are good, this general will stay dead.

What are some lesser known but still useful resources? The ones I know of/use are
>Limitless
>Pokecabook
>Trainerhill
>Youtube/Twitch streams
I'm sure I'm missing shitloads

Are Megas going to be legal going into Gen 10 era? How the game even evolves from Pokémon with insane HP, that can heal for free and can oneshot regardless of your HP?

>>58139233

Not that much to talk about at the moment.

Worlds is over and the revealed cards aren't all that interesting.

>>58139619
3 years unless they start changing how regulations /rotations work

>>58139619

The game evolves into a pile of dogshit just like the last two times 3-prizers were introduced.

>>58136657

Probably should have used that Gholdengo chick's prizes to sell the point.

What's the most dominant any deck has been in a format?

I've heard that Night March had something like an ~80% win rate in the past.

Looking at all the emphasis the PTCG designers put on never repeating a Night March situation in interviews, I feel that this has to be the right answer.

>>58139808

*By 80% I mean supposedly of tournaments post release

>>58139808

What? This is blatantly false.

Night March was never that good.

>>58139571
Its not really lesser known but pokemon.io is another site you can use to share and build decks. with modern internet I think any resource thats useful has been talked about or shared already.

>>58139808
It barely counts but as of rotation >expanded is absolutely NOTHING but regidrago

>>58136658
I like doing one box, then singles

Instead of only searching for 2 steel evos genesect ex should find every steel type stage so I can attach air ballon to baby genesect and shut off secret box t1 against garde and grimmsnarl.

>>58140117
if they ever start supporting expanded irl again they have to ban that guy, even though it doesn't donk/lock for their ban philosophy, he just has to go.

>>58140351

Just ban double Dragon energy and things are probably okay.

>>58140364
also ADP

>>58140589

Regidrago doesn’t actually play ADP since Dialga GX’s attack is better for the way the deck works in expanded.

Taking two turns in a row is stronger.

>>58139925
Fair enough, forgot about that one lol

>>58139808
XY or Fates Collide where 90% of the meta was Yveltal-EX / Garbodor

As a Gardy player I still can't get over the absolute bliss of being a champion.

>>58141450
Best of luck for when your cheatcode gets rotated and now you have to learn how to actually play the game :)

>>58141666
7 more months, satan.

my opponent tried to night joker when his only other N's pokemon were 2 other zoroark
i'd say he's retarded but he also threw down 2 munkidori on the bench for zero reason so that came as standard

Had to refund my Pitt registration

It’s over

>finally back at 550
next time i'm not leaving it until last minute because GOD were those shit quality games

>>58131941
not sure why I like that art so much

>>58142107
i didn't even bother getting to ultra ball this time.. the rewards werent worth it
lost a lot of motivation for grinding now that we can't craft cards anymore what's the point

>>58142374
it's be fine if there was any evidence that anyone you went against actually had any idea what they were doing
instead it's either six year olds or down syndromes who just copied a gardevoir or dragapult list off the internet and basically play like they're the old AI from PTCGO
sadly, they still win sometimes

How do i improve my deck? Need to draw more cards faster since I usually get bricked. Y24pa

>>58142680
add fez, iono, and more research. I think ignition energy will work better than crispin and 2 lightning energy. you wouldn't need to use the bax line either

>>58142680
what does the bax do here?

>>58142680
crispin/bax is a waste. you can water then attach triple acceleration energy to do your snipe attack now

The joktik gholdengo deck looks so jank, especially compared to regular dengo. by the time they're set up I'm already multiple prize cards ahead. I do like the pikachu ex for other dengo decks because it is annoying to play around.

>>58142988
regular one is better yeah. its just good into slower decks like gardy/dragapult where you're not really getting 2 prizes early without hands. and its common to checkmate games putting energy on pikachu while having dengos on board who can also attack

Have you paid respect to your queen today, /tcg/?

>>58143011
If pure dengo wasn't so good I would try it out myself because dengo in theory should work fine in joltik as an attacker. it helps the pult/garde match up more than trying to raw draw into gravity mountain.

>>58142748
Added Fez and Ignition, thanks.

>>58142856
Bax allows for quick access to TeraNinja's 3x energy move and distribution across various Froakie. You're basically guaranteed energy with this deck the issue is getting the Greninja established in time before getting raped by N's Zoroark. I was hoping there was a Pokemon equivalent of Greninja from Pocket with watershuriken able to target bench mons but the only thing I could come up with is using Frolass. I only started playing TCGL a few days ago and wanted to do a Greninja deck so the online battles are a lot tougher to do than pocket given that deck size is 3x larger than pockets 20 card limit and theres a million expansions released so far in Live.

>>58142919
Is it normal for TCG decks to have so many Pokemon? I'm used to Pockets 2-3 mon limit for battles because anything else would mean wasting limited card slots for items.

>>58143651
>Is it normal for TCG decks to have so many Pokemon
it depends on what the deck needs to carry out it's strategy. the TCG has a bigger deck limit and search/tutor cards so the deck building will be a bit different compared to pocket's.

>>58143651
>Is it normal for TCG decks to have so many Pokemon?
Depends.
The main attacking line of pokemon there is greninja 3:2:2.
Pidgeot acts as your draw engine, since you run rare candy for greninja anyway it benefits evolving pidgeot. And since the deck has a lot of 1 off cards it makes pidgeot worthwhile since you can freely search for them
Duskclops is used for +50 dmg so your attacks hit high enough, but you run rare candy so you may as well run dusknoir too for +130 sometimes
Budew/fez/ursaluna are support pokemon that are usually their own thing

but yeah rare candy is what enables a lot of those pokemon to work together. you wouldn't use a pidgeot engine in a deck like dragapult, since it doesn't usually run rare candy. so you can't benefit from using extra rare candy on pidgeot

>>58143651
>Is it normal for TCG decks to have so many Pokemon?
I also came from pocket and the #1 thing to learn is with the right build you basically have 90% of your deck avaliable at any given moment. Looking at the hyperoptimized meta decks with like 5 energy max because they're well oiled machines that have just enough to get their main attackers online and then the rest to search or recycle resources as needed

>opponent emphatically talks about how good the game was and talks about how difficult his prizes were
>took 6 consecutive prizes while I drew and passed all game

inshallah these “people” will suffer

skill issue
get fucked blogger

>>58144140
>took 6 consecutive prizes while I drew and passed all game
Sounds like you deserved it. You could've scooped at any time and chose not to.

Is buying the first week of a set release always a gamble? Seems like some cards went up while several have gone down in price(it’s only $2-$5 but still adds up each card)
>jellicent ex alt art
>hilda playset
>two pokegear playsets
should’ve waited a bit longer for these but on the other hand,
>brave bangle
>genesect ex
>luminous energy
Have retained or are going up


Anyways, are you guys going to grab the mega set first week? Is gardevoir and kangaskhan the only ones to look after?

>>58144471
>Is buying the first week of a set release always a gamble?
its a bad idea in general. its very common for prices of singles to shift down the more time has passed from the release date. you can see this happen in other TCGs as well. genesect ex was like a $10 card on TCGplayer during the first week of the current set. its less than $3 now.
>Anyways, are you guys going to grab the mega set first week? Is gardevoir and kangaskhan the only ones to look after?
no I'll just wait. the cards aren't legal for a 2 whole weeks so Ill mess around with them on live until its closer to that day they're legal. the lillie card is going to be the one you need a full play set of

>>58143061
winning with pokemon's favoured daughter isn't a flex

>>58144888
You say this as if no other meta archetype got support. Gholdengo just got genesect ex and dragapult got hilda.
>>58144471
I don't think mega kangaskhan will be playable at all and I have my doubts with mega gardy.

>>58143061
yeah sure

>>58145325
If munkidori didn't exist Gardevoir would still be a top of the meta deck.

>>58145254
Gardevoir has been top meta more times than Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario and Greninja all put together
It's the favoured daughter that absolutely has to be what wins everything each and every time no matter the generation
BW was the only time it wasn't because only basic pokemon could be pokemon-EX at the time and it was a whole generation where absolutely nothing else but pokemon-EX even slightly mattered

>>58145325
but let's not pretend that 90% of the problems with the current format wouldn't be fixed if munkidori wasn't errata'd or banned
not only are endless munkidori wars not fun, it requires no real investment, is basically unpunishable because it's a single prize, single retreat basic with 110HP and can go in basically any deck that isn't otherwise incredibly specialized

>>58146093
>Pikachu
Meme mascot for merchandise.
>Zard
Nostalgiafags who watched the anime back in the 90's
>Lucario
Furfags
>Greninja
FotG

Notice how those demographics don't play the actual games? Gardevoir is got so popular precisely because it was a god tier design on a god tier gen. Also waifufags are both numerous and like to spend money the most, it's only natural she gets so much support, this is a business after all. Why are you against letting people have what they want?

>>58146127
because sitting through another year of the same thing winning again and again is boring and not fun
no one even looked at any of the other cards from mega brave because we saw the gardevoir and knew it's probably the only one that matters apart from probably the charizard

are we seething about Gardy again?

>>58146161
Mega Gardevoir is not going to see that much play. Before rotation it's just a bigger drifloon that gives out 3 prizes. After rotation it loses the actual OP card that enables the whole deck.

>>58146308
My queen is so cute. Also Gholdengo had WAY more instances at the tournament than any of those jank decks combined.

>>58146308

This pic has some truth to it; top 8 was full of Gholdengo techs and counters (Zard, Zoroark with Cornerstone and Toedscruel).

>>58147026

The Gardy deck that won did have to overcome Zard but then got free wins against Bolt and Pult

>>58147033
>Free wins
>In a bo3 format
Not how it works retard. The gardychad outclassed everyone else.

>>58145254
>Gholdengo just got genesect ex and dragapult got hilda.
I thought I was going to love brave bangle but hilda and genesect are the ones I ended up liking the most. I look back at my old builds of dragapult dusknoir and gholdengo and wonder why I ever played dengo with drakloaks or dragapult dusknoir with brock and energy search. I think hilda is going to see a lot more play in evo decks in future formats

>>58147150
favorable matchups don't stop existing because of bo3

bump

>>58148361
Why? Just let it die.

>Not even a secret box to carry it
This is going to be sub 10 dollars

>>58148684
ain't nobody buying this garbage, lmao

>>58148684
TR crowbat seems like an awful partner for TR mewtwo. Scramble switch is a neat idea but secret would be better since you're going to need to find a lot of supporters and stadiums during your games.
>for experienced trainer!
more like masochistic trainers

>"Ultra Premium" Collection
>the playmat is just the stock art's lineart shifted red
Did they hire Ultra Pro to make this? Because it took me 30 seconds to replicate what they did for the main image.

>>58148684
Why would they make this over N's Zoroark? Neither is a great choice but at least Zoroark decks did alright at Worlds.
Might have convinced a couple fujos to pick up the game too.

>>58149305
yeah it's kinda basic. it might end up being given out to people that play in a regional like the last UPC mat was as well.

>>58149347
Honestly not a clue. I get why it's not gholdengo or raging bolt, it wouldn't last very long for standard so it's not future proof for a product. but even zoroark, cynthias or archaludon are still around. Miles better than rockets memes.

Can’t wait to dumpster new players who walk into the lgs and pick up this piece of shit theme deck

>>58149673
>We are in for round 2 of rocket team shitter pounding
Can't wait lmao

Um you clearly cheated, team rocket is the best?! Mewtwo got an error card clearly, it shouldn't be hardcapped at 280 dmg

>>58148684
wow, that crobat looks like an assassin
NO WAY, IT CAN FLY?!

>>58148684
>For experienced trainers!
The fact hey print this with a straight face lol

>>58149372
I think because people recognize mewtwo they picked it over the other trainer decks. or maybe they thought it would have more success than it actually did. either way they keep putting the deck in the spotlight lol. it was shown off in the mega zard trailer recently

>>58151549
>For experienced trainers!
That's just a tactic to dupe normies into buying it. They know that no one with actual experience will ever buy it, but they want casuals to see it and think "Wow, this must be a good deck then" so they'll blow $30 on $10 worth of cards.

>>58152554
Yeah, I understand that but the difference in value compared to the Dragapult one released a couple months ago is insane lmao they didn't even include a playable ace spec.

>people crying for secret box to be in the new league battle deck
>fez being in the dragapult league battle deck did not effect the price in the slightest

best to pony up the $20 now

>>58153196
Fez is mandatory staple in every deck, it makes sense that its price wouldn't decrease much because the demand for it is never going to go down.

>>58153196
>>58153627
Fez is also from a special set without a lot of raw packs from boxes, only special products.
And it's a set that is absolutely hated by collectors as well. So nobody wants to open it

Hello, /vp/ regular who only got into the tcg because of pocket and the fact that some friends from university recommened me a new locale for playing very near home and has pokemon tuesdays, which is very convenient for me.
I saw a video on the upcoming mega pokemon, M-Mawile is a favorite of mine, will it be viable to make something around it or will end up being a 1-of situational like most pokemon? Something like a secondary for archaludon?(saw a video on the cards because I have no idea on the meta except everyone fucking uses fez ex and munki) Also anything I should know getting started if my main tcg is digimon?

>>58154181

At least you aren’t a yugiho or magic player.

>>58153196
Yeah but I was able to get the draga deck on release thus giving me a fezandipiti I could use around with all my decks. Would have done the same with Rocket's if it had secret box.

Actually I'm relieved as I just got a secret box copy for $25 last week wwww

>>58154181
It won't be viable, I'm sorry. Check https://limitlesstcg.com/tournaments/500/statistics

Choose of those then start buying singles to build it. Download tcg live and practice there before tournaments. Once you feel confident attend your weekly leagues.

>>58154181

It will definitely be a piece of a steel toolbox deck if such a thing finds its footing. Personally I’m interested in a metagross/jellicent abomination that can use mawile to close out a game.

>>58154444
>only like 13 decks are worth it
Damn really? I was doing with more casual play in mind, the new tcg store is a small business-within-business at the very back that has only a handful players (the real play is seen at the capital, like 2 hours away), but seeing an unvaried meta is disheartening.
The other pokemon I was interested is is armarouge, which apparently has a toolbox deck but that's going out of rotation in like 7 months I heard.

>>58154530
>but seeing an unvaried meta is disheartening
13 decks is a varied meta. A few years ago, we had maybe 4 viable decks at one point.
>that's going out of rotation in like 7 months I heard
7 months is so far away that you don't need to think about rotation right now. Just play around on Live and find a deck you like.

>>58154503
Found this on a japanese website, it in on low B tier rn. Good enough to be rogue and not homosexual to play it I guess.
>>58154444
>>58154627
Ok how's Marnie's grimmsnarl and froslass?

>>58154692
>Good enough to be rogue and not homosexual to play it I guess.
If that's your attitude, you're not going to get very far.
>Ok how's Marnie's grimmsnarl and froslass?
It's one of the best decks in the format.

>>58135331
stormfront wasn't even that bad, but tag teams sucked

>>58154692
marnie's deck is one of the most skill expressive decks currently along side gardevoir and dragapult dusknoir.

>>58131190 (OP)
A bump topic: what the hell happened to Yanmega ex?

>>58154181
>1-of situational like most pokemon
Most likely. Although with genesect ex, metal decks are definitely becoming a lot more viable so there's that
>everyone fucking uses fez ex and munki
There's a box coming out in a couple months that comes with a Fez and other trainer cards, so the price for it should reduce soon.

>>58156670
>assuming players will be able to find the new trainer’s toolkit

roflmao

>>58156714
Oh fuck it comes with packs doesn't it

>>58156635
when I played the deck it was a bit awkward to set up. might be better now with hilda but unless tera zard becomes popular I don't think Ill pick it up again

>>58156670
>so the price for it should reduce soon.
You guys said the same about the dragapult league battle deck ffs

>>58154920
>pikarom deck goes second
>draws half of their deck
>including prism koko and thunder mountain
>full blitz on your active for anywhere from 150 to 270
>you now have to instantly kill a 240HP basic on that turn (with 4 cards in hand due to marshadow) or you immediately lose
great game

Is Flareon still viable?

>>58158205
it's decent. really good against gholdengo while also still being able to win against other decks unlike the dedicated anti string cheese decks

Was FA Ethan's Typhlosion available as ranked ladder rewards during Destined Rivals? You got 2 of them from the battle pass but you can't craft them and spending trainer points on packs of that is probably a bit silly, especially since the deck is just piss extinct as of next set.

>>58158400
I could be wrong but I think it was mainly the team rocket's pokemon that was given as reward because I have a lot of the SIRs of them

This deck is pretty good. I think it's my favorite in the meta right now.

>>58158205
Yeah, just harder to play compare to the face-rolly decks. A good sylveon just wins matches

I miss them.

>>58159882
its a really good deck. you'll win so many games with joltik box because people can't figure out how to deal with hands. hopefully it'll get some new cards to mess around with in the future sets before rotation.

>>58160269
Hopefully it withers and dies

>>58160269
joltik box is literally just dicerolling let's not pretend it's an actual deck

>>58161382
half the deck is dedicated to finding boss or prime catcher theres no dice rolling involved

>>58161382
Get Amp'd fucktard.

>>58160021
Raihan was the glue that held together meme decks..

What is the die that comes in an ETB used for?

>>58163002
Coin flips.

Ban Gardy
Ban Munki
Ban Budew
Ban Dragapult
Thank me later

>>58163306
t. raging bolt baby

>>58163306
>Ban Gardy
ok

>Ban Munki
>Ban Budew
>Ban Dragapult
lmao

>>58163306
Where's the "play a different game" fag when people say shit like this?

Do you guys prefer the TCG UI found exclusively in world championship streams that isnt available for us users for actual use or do you prefer the TCG UI found in the GBC game way back when?

>>58163571
he wasn't crying about prize cards, so I move on.

Prize cards bad
My opinion good

>>58164408
Go play a different card game then. Door's right there

I try different card games, and yes, the prize card rule is bad

>>58164748
I brought it up in a server for our local league and everyone got on my ass for it. None of them could actually say why it was a good rule

>>58164748
Explain why
Pro tip, you can't

>>58165036
Someone from my community basically said prizes were good because it was the only thing that would even give average players a chance to beat the pros that go to regionals, which just highlights why people think the mechanic is so bad. Saying "you only won because prizes fucked them over, you didn't actually deserve it" isn't a great defense of prizes.

Is there any meta for grading?
I want to grade two of my higher value cards mostly because I was gifted a psa card so I think I should so the one feels less lonely if that makes sense.
they have some minor damage so I'm guessing they would be 8 or 9, should I go with a different grading service? I was going to maybe sell one to buy a different card, so if a different grader is better for damaged cards that might be better to do one psa so it matches my other and the better of the two the other one? They are unplayed but seem to have damage from shipping or something, all the cards in the pack unfortunately had damage to one edge

>>58165845
>>58161218
Ask them, slabbie.

>>58165845
might wanna ask in the collector's thread
in here we actually play the game

>>58165971
>>58165975
You are the same people in each thread

>>58165845
the meta depends on what people bring to your locals

>>58165997
still doesn't change the fact that in this thread is for talking about the game, not grading or collecting
go ask there, nig

>>58165997
We're the same people on the whole board. There's still a reason we have different threads

>>58165997
Because we get tired of people who can't read. This thread is for people who play the game. The "ahur pokeymon card get me money" crowd have their own thread and yet can never seem to tell the difference.

>>58163683

You could also go to a different social media platform.

Reddit has plenty of likeminded individuals such as yourself.

>>58164414

Does this faggot spend all day hovering over any negative criticism of Prize Cards? At least defend it properly.

New

>>58166138
>>58166138