Thread 58133088

Is it going to replace Showdown (Smogon)?

Showdown will be sued out of existence as soon as they're ready to commercialize
>if it gives us even just 5 more players it's worth it
t. jewtendo

>>58133088 (OP)
They gonna force it to close anyway so you have to pay for mainlines and mtx in champions

>>58133088 (OP)
No, Patrick, Champions won't replace Showdown

>>58133088 (OP)
I genuinely pray every day that GF will finally strike down Showdown in order to migrate people to their platform.

they'll probably bend showdown's arm behind its back, but we're talking about killing something that's been around as long as pokémon itself. even if they shut it down, people will just migrate to underground communities

>>58133096
Hi Joe

>>58133114
I hate modern Game Freak, I just also hate Smogon and Showdown more.

god I hope so, those faggots need to suffer

>>58133088 (OP)
Are these types of post going to be the new retarded pattern faggotry?

>>58133093
Realistically possible.

>>58133088 (OP)
Its almost impossible for anything to replace Showdown.

>>58133088 (OP)
It's not fanfic format so no

>>58133088 (OP)
The only way this replaces Showdown if Champions shifts to 2D. Champions is basically Pokemon S/V ranked mode turned into a mobile app.

The main appeal of Showdown is teambuilding is suuper accessible and you could get 15 battles done in the timespan of 30 mins.

>>58133088 (OP)
>won't have every pokemon
>won't have free teambuilding
>won't have quick battles
>won't have custom rulesets
No chance.

>>58134004
Oh wait, how could I forget?
>won't have randbats, by far the most popular format on showdown

Showdown is FREE as in ACTUALLY FREE, and doesn't require you to grind to build up a team, making the whole point of the game meaningless

>>58133225
The amount of visceral hatred for smogon amazes me every time I see it

>>58133096
>>58133225
you will never be spider man's archenemy venom to gamefreak/TPC you lack more hatred

>>58133251
this applies to you as well lol >>58134085

>>58133921
>15 battles in the span of 30 minutes
lmao no, have you seen how much stall there is there


>>58134004
>natdex is a less popular format than SV
>they already said it does, also home is free
>what do you even mean by this?
>this is why you get called fanfic meta

>>58134013
>source? also if it actually is that popular they'll add it as an option

>>58134114
>doesn't matter, it's still a selling point showdown has over champions
>you don't need to pay actual money, but you do have to grind victory points and can't just instantly make the pokemon you want
>battles in showdown have damn near instant turns with minimal and skippable animations, so battles go by more quickly
>doesn't matter, it's still a selling point showdown has over champions

>>58134138
>>you don't need to pay actual money
They revealed there's going to be a paid version for Switch and Switch 2. And looking at Friends, it's extremely apparent Champions is another free-to-start game, but you'll very quickly be walled off from content unless you buy the premium packages, possibly even requiring it to transfer your boys from Home.

>>58133894
>Nintendo sends C&D
>Showdown is gone
>Platforms to use Smogon rulesets is gone
Done.
Easy.

VGCbros won.

>>58133088 (OP)
battles will be too slow so no

I watched a video of somebody complaining that the game won't have a counsel to ban stuff.

they're not going to shutdown showdown
one: that does nothing to smogon itself, smogon has existed in tandem with other battle sims and for all intents and purposes, smogon (the forum) cannot be shut down by nintendo
two: if they did shutdown showdown for some reason, other people would just run new battle sims and people (the entirety of smogon) would go there

>>58134170
VGC players use showdown intensively to test and practice, retard

>>58133088 (OP)
No, as it will be VGC doubles or 3v3 singles. Smogon is 6v6 singles with custom rules.

>>58134170
>all the code for showdown still exists
>remake it under a new name
Done.
Easy.

>>58133088 (OP)
VGC is doubles so no it won't replace showdown.

>>58133088 (OP)
Not in the least.
Showdown is still more convenient so people will still use it.
As long as showdown doesn't try to make money off it.

>>58134720
they won't, if they did they would be shutdown

>>58133088 (OP)
Watch them increase the price of Home's subscription when Champions releases.

>>58133088 (OP)
Is there any reason someone would use this instead of Showdown?

>>58134237
>showdown was the biggest
>any that pop up after will be scattered and small
>if they grow big enough, they will be shut down like showdown
It's like you're being retarded on purpose. Showdown getting shut kills off the beast. You can run along and play on your "new server", gonna get fuckbored of fighting the same 20 spergs day in, day out and if Nintendo shut down one, they'll have no compunction sending the rest a shutdown order.

>>58134754
Same reasons people play VGC.

>>58134754
Yeah, if they wanted to play VGC instead of some autistic fucker's personal favourite ruleset.

>>58134754
Yes, when they can't play showdown anymore because Nintendo shut it down to force more players to play Champions instead

It's simple. Any players playing Showdown are potential players not playing Champions. They are going to want those people playing Champions.

>>58134770
Champions is not going to support any competitive 6v6 Singles formats. If you honestly think these players are "potential Champions purchasers" you've failed to understand why they don't play VGC in the first place.

>>58134237
>Nintendo sends C&D
>Showdown "under a new name" is gone
>Platforms to use Smogon rulesets are gone
Done.
Easy.

VGCbros won.

>>58134229
That's why they created Pokémon Champions, retard.

>>58134742
That's what I'm saying. As long as they don't try to make money they're fine.
Nintendo clearly knows about the site.

>>58134778
It doesn't matter what features they have or don't have. This is just a cope thinking jewtendo isn't petty and anti-competitive.

>>58134799
Isn't your whole argument that Showdown players would flock to Champions if Showdown would shut down? Because I'm telling you that isn't the case.

>>58134743
I'd be fine if they included Home in the premium

>>58134812
Doesn't matter what your opinion is of where they would go. Jewtendo gonna jew.

>>58134794
from what I remember reading before smogon said nintendo and showdown have been in direct contact, nintendo likes them and let them use the pokemon music

>>58134821
My point is that killing Showdown wouldn't kill Smogon formats as you seem to believe. Absolute worst case scenario with no new battle-sim popping up they would just arrange custom matches with their own rulesets in the mainline games or Champions. Whichever one is the easiest option to get genned Pokémon quickly.

Konami never shut duelingbook or edopro/project ignis down, I doubt gamefreak/tpc will bother shutting showdown or pokemon online (which only shut down because of showdown lol) down.

>>58134759
smogon will just say "you can use this instead" (on their forums, probably discord too) and then it will be flooded with at least half of the people that played on showdown, this is roughly what happened to PO minus the forced shutdown, so a shutdown would only exacerbate the process of population shift

there's nothing stopping hosts from making more either and just repeating the cycle, since there's no money to gain involved in doing so, the perceived loss to the host is minimal, the perceived loss to the player via transition is also minimal since you don't really lose anything either

>>58134836
they probably wouldn't go that far. But I would expect to see shit like the april fools sprites as the main format.

>>58134202
I don't see the issue.
Name any popular competitive game that doesn't have a banlist or apply frequent balance patches.

>>58133092
Showdown is open source, there is nothing they can do to take it down. Absolute worst case, they'll just host it with no Nintendo assets and made-up Pokemon names. And then someone else will host a userscript to put them all back.

>>58134864
And will fucked as they invariably beg donations, get known enough to reach normalfag spheres and get found out. There's no reality where you autistic shitheads win and certainly not vs the rightsholders with infinite money (smogon will get a C'n'D as a courtesy, the next cunt up gets sued for infringement, because he's a new nigger with a retarded sense of self-importance to think he can use Pokémon trademarks to play with her buddies). I almost can't wait to see which dipshit wants to make herself povvo, it's going to be right hilarious to watch.
Like I said, it's almost as if you're being retarded on purpose.

>>58135024
>And will fucked as they invariably beg donations
Like Showdown?

>>58135024
>beg donations
they've never done so why would they start now, money is not an issue in running this stuff

>>58135024
nice bait

Why are wolfey-watching VGC newfags so toxic, jealous, and perpetually seething? TCG fans aren't like this. GO fans aren't like this. UNITE fans aren't like this.

It's literally just the wolfey-watching VGC newfags.

There are civilized general threads for TCG, GO, UNITE, etc., but there's never been any general for VGC. Instead the VGC newfags are out marauding the board 24/7 seething and raging in every thread they can.

No other subgroup of the pokemon community is like this.

It's literally just the wolfey-watching VGC newfags that are inflammatory, jealous, petty, spiteful, vindictive, hostile freaks.

What an unlikeable lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PF3yRFjUfE

Possibilities of what happens to showdown:

- No longer allowed to host official/VGC formats / Not allowed to host any formats that exist on champions. (on the other hand, Champions won't have randombattles or any showdown-exclusive formats)

- Have to remove "pokemon" from the domain name maybe just replace with psim or whatever.

- Take down the website and go back to client-based like older sims instead of browser-based.

But it's still obviously going to exist one way or another. Remember that PokeMMO which accepts donations and has PvP (and uses even more copyrighted assets) has existed since 2012 too.

>>58134170
>go back to shoddy battle
>go back to netbattle
>go back to RSarena
ez

>>58136114
Enjoy battling the same 90, then 60, then 30 people. Until it's just you and bots

>>58136127
Where are the players moving to? Champions? (lmao)

>>58135344
that's what happens when one worships a dishonest jew

>>58136143
Oh are you under the impression most of the current Showdown users will be migrating from non-official battle simulator to non-official battle simulator every 3 months? (lmao)

>>58134013
Yeah,no randbats is a huge deal breaker, even more than the paywall.

>>58136181
Yes, and in fact I've seen it happen around the start of gen 4's meta because there was no decent simulator for a while.
The point is, if you seriously think people are going to move to Champions, a game that requires sending Pokemon from your games instead of just making them on the spot just because Nintendo suddenly decided that only their game is allowed to exist, you're probably a very naive and pure person who shouldn't be wasting your youth on 4chan.

>>58133088 (OP)
One can only hope

>>58133088 (OP)
it's just something that exists as a leverage to give TPCi a case to sue Smogon and take it down with C&D's. same reason why they applied for a bunch of patents so they can retroactively enforce it against Palworld.

>>58133109
>even if they shut it down, people will just migrate to underground communities
That will still effectively kill it. When you disperse a community that fractures it, and anything that spawns after will have a reduced userbase because many others will be drawn away. Especially if the fear of litigation is on the table. Look at any of the chans resulting from whatever 4chan exodus happened at any given time, they struggle to live. 8ch was only mildly more populated when 4chan was down, and that only lasted until 4chan was back up. Yuzu has been forked a ton of times, but there's nobody still actively developing the emulator anymore, these forks are simply maintained.

If TPCI whacks Showdown Champions will be the defacto competitive scene. And they don't even have to win lawsuits, they can just tie Smogon up in legal fees until they settle or acquiesce.

>>58136839
Hell, they ALREADY have Smogon under their thumb, Showdown has only lasted as long as it has because Pokemon and Smogon reached an agreement on the terms by which Showdown could exist, since it wasn't directly competing with the franchise in any shape or form in a way that mattered.
Now Champions exists, a wholly PVP oriented side-app that's free-to-start, which also serves as the primary hub for VGC, a complete means for GameFreak and The Pokemon Company to give a proper gateway into competitive for the kiddins so they can convert them into Worlds Participants who will hopefully buy the exclusive merchandise at the events. Showdown is in direct competition with that as a completely F2P service, and Smogon's likely known about this for a very long time. They WILL acquiesce and nuke Showdown, they WILL support Pokemon in taking down splinter servers, Champions IS the only future for mainstream PVP.

Lots of shills have come out the woodworks in this thread huh.

>>58136849
>they WILL support Pokemon in taking down splinter servers,
lol

>>58136890
Those splinter servers will only exist because of Showdown being opensource, so they're entirely responsible for helping get rid of them.

>>58136891
>so they're entirely responsible for helping get rid of them.
that's not how it works

>>58136888
This entire thread is a jewish meeting.

>>58136895
It is when you're rich and powerful enough to strongarm your way into any outcome against a little guy, which is exactly what Pokemon is to Smogon.
This isn't a Palworld situation where Pocketpair has Sony money backing them up to equalize the playing field of legal bullshit, Pokemon can completely bully Smogon into doing whatever they want and holding threat of lawsuit over them because even TWO players who prefer a Showdown fork over Champions is two lost sales, and Showdown is directly responsible for that happening.
It's just like how Joe Merrick has been TPC's whipping boy ever since the BW Pokedex leak fiasco that took place over a decade ago by this point, Pokemon is NOT a stranger to basically owning the lives of the little guys.

>>58134754
Official by TPC
No retarded rules or bans like smogon
Better graphics than smogon

>>58136902
That's... not how it works lmao. Like seriously, you sound completely schizophrenic.

>>58136902
>TPCi shutting down Showdown and blackmailing Showdown into being their lapdog
In what world is this even remotely a possibility? Do you even know how open-source works, and even if Showdown claimed some ownership of the code do you think they have a legal team to enforce it? What’s in it for them if the simulator is already taken down, and they literally have nothing to lose? In what way would this make a lick of sense at all?
And for the record TPCi’s and Joe’s relationship is mutually beneficial. He gets tons of privileges for being their lapdog.

Imagine the seethe if Gamefreak changed online battles to follow ingame rules. For instance, you need 8 badges for level 100 Pokemon to obey you. Or if online battling was only unlocked after seeing the credits. Imagine the butthurt from people being forced to play the game.

>>58136997
I mean most people would have either already played through it anyway or just gotten an extra copy so they can do trades and stuff anyway, so yeah it really is just wasting your time

>>58136997
based

>>58137000
It's only wasting time for people too lazy to actually play the game. Like you said, if they already played through it then there's no problem.

>>58136997
in game??? nigger this is a battle simulator. you hop in, chose your pokemons and fight. like any stadium game, badges arent needed cause all pokemon levels are LOCKED. dumb ngubu kid

>>58136997
Do VGC players not finish the story mode? That’s news to me.

>>58137017
I'm not talking about Champions, you underage imbecile~!

>>58137020
They don't, unless there's literally no other way to get a specific resource that passes the legality checkers, since everything they get is injected or traded in.

>>58133092
if they haven't been hit yet, why the fuck would they get hit now

>>58137041
Franchise hasn't had a battle sim directly competing with the autristic retards to have a REASON to go after them.
But now they HAVE a battle sim incoming, they're going to shut down any unofficial ones to remove competition from their paid effort. That they're blatantly using trademarks of the franchise gives the owners all the cause in the world to do so now.

>>58137023
online battling outside of Champions going forward will just be casual nonsense anyways. gen10 maintitle online scene will be the equivalent of BDSP and LGPE online battling kek.

The retard on here thinking shutting down showdown would not help Champions is fucking retarded. VGC fags use showdown too to test their teams. Smogon fags be afraid because you are fucking done.

>>58137055
Do you even think about your post before making it?
VGC fags that use Showdown to test their teams would already be getting Champions. That’s where the official tournaments for VGC will be held.

>>58137055
yes, let's piss off our entire competitive playerbase... to grow our competitive players
nigger get real, you're a fucking retard and probably one of those palworld weenies

>>58137064
yeah, so? Champions has in game purchases and Showdown can be a hinderance.
>Pokemon Champions is going to include plenty of in-game currency to access premium monsters and cosmetics
Showdown can hurt TPC's profits by having all mons available from the get go, so VGC fags will only spend money on what they deem worth rather than having to take the risk.

>>58137067
Shut up you dumb nigger, showdown fags have never and will never play in VGC anyways. Getting rid of them for good won't hurt a the playerbase because of a group that doesn't spend any money anyways.

>>58137080
yes, the people obsessed with pokemon battling aren't gonna use the readily available pokemon battle simulator
how dumb can a person get

keep crying about the ghost of nintendo future, about evils that haven't even happened yet

>>58137074
>hey let’s piss of the people that actually play VGC, that will show Smogon!

>>58137098
Nintendo gonna ass rape you cucks and there is nothing you gonna do about it.
6v6 turn based game is dying as we speak. All the young kids are growing up with the official VGC format. Only retarded millennials cling on the fucking anime trope. But it will die, oh yeah it will. It shall be glorious!!!

>>58137067
>no, you can only use MY nigger-priced battle sim, yoyu KANT use another
Which is why TPC have a nigger-priced battle sim coming out. The fact they own the rights to it while doing so means they CAN shut down other nigger-friendly sims because unlike the rest theirs is focused on VGC rulesets (the competetive playerbase), uses all introduced gimmick power-ups which will be in competition with each other (as Worlds '26 will be using Champions) and isn't instead "regulated" by an autistic bunch of retarded manchildren who wish they were still in their teens and the world didn't age.
Sounds like the only people pissed off about the potential shutdown of showdown is the autistic dregs of the competitive circles, who can only play a highly curated fanfic ruleset.

>>58137114
>look at showdown right now
>literally the only battles active as of current are randbats
This is the only thing showdown players will miss when it dies, and I'm sure a randbats mode will be implemented in Champions when fan demand for an equivalent makes itself known.

>>58137131
Champions will only have Megas in VGC 26. this is like the one thing we know about it and you failed to grasp even that.

>>58134202
Uh, based?

>>58135344
>TCG fans aren't toxic
Their toxicity transcends the fandom and spills out into the real world

People speculated this day would come...