Thread 58134437

Gen 1's monster roster is so fucking good holy shit

>>58134437 (OP)
The eternal 151

>>58134437 (OP)
What went wrong with the sequel's design philosophy? The formula was there and they just threw it all away.

>>58134509
>formula
That's the thing, there wasn't one yet. Remember that Gen 2 served as an extension to the first games, rather than being its own separate thing. So instead of trying to repeat the same thing from scratch like they've done since, they asked "what are we missing?"

>>58134592
>"What are we missing?"
That's not what they asked

>"I see. Most Pokemon in Gold & Silver were of the cute variety, but this time…”
>Sugimori: “Indeed, there were a lot of kiddy designs, and some fans were starting to say Pokemon had become too babyish, so one theme for Ruby & Sapphire was returning to the coolness of monsters.
>“In your previous interview at the time of Gold & Silver (February 2000 issue), you said when you were designing Pokemon, you had to consider merchandising, and that created some constraints.”
>Sugimori: “Rather than constraints, I’d say we were careful about a lot of things. Like we’d say ‘if we don’t make a Pokemon this way, they’ll be difficult to animate in the TV show.’ We didn’t really think about those kinds of things this time, which might be bad for the anime staff and independent artists.”

all good except g*ngar

>>58134538
Right is better

>>58134646
so gen ii designs was a forced downgrade to make things easier for production at the expense of quality

kanto's dex is just more soulful

ITT: Butthurt Kantoddlers upset JohtoGODS btfo their generic animal mons with Tyranitar, Lugia, Steelix, Heracross, Ampharos, Feraligatr, Skarmory, Houndoom, and the Legendary beasts
And another thing? The Johto pokerap is way cooler than the Kanto one.

>>58134646
You are aware most of the Pokémon in Johto were meant to be in the first game, right?

>>58134829
Is this AI, you pig fucking nigger slime?

>kanto johto
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I think it's interesting how the autism filenames only exacerbate that these threads are just samefag galor

>>58134902
Blind moron retard

>>58134902
I wonder if johtods can go one day without a mental breakdown

>>58134884
it's sad you think those are upgrades

>>58134894
Blatantly false information that's unfortunately often parroted by morons like you. We know of all the 40 Kanto Pokemon that got cut and not a single one made it to the final version of gen 2 (unless you really wanna stretch it and imply Tyranitar is Gyaoon). Hell you can look back at the several beta versions of Gold and Silver we have available and see just how much they were still iterating throughout development

>>58134979
>That image
Instead of giving babies to the Pokémon that truly needed them at the time, they decide to give babies to the already-tiny ones. So dumb.
Onix is born from eggs being giant.

>>58134988
Sorry we needed to maximize plush sales baby Onix is less marketable than baby Jigglypuff please understand

>>58134988
>>58134997
these
pure cashgrab instead of mechanical improvement

Wew

>>58134509
GSC designs are great. The problem is a lot of them have shit stats/moves, not that they aren't cool.

>>58135236
>GSC designs are great
Lol

>>58135316
this kek

>>58134509
2 is genuinely good but lacking in intimidating or even just big monsters to round it out, the ratio is off compared to gen 1. To be fair though gen 1 had like 6 years of development where as gen 2 only had like 3.

>>58134884
>there generic animal mons
>looks at gen 2

>>58134509
it's not even nostalgia at this point, why have they genuinely lost the recipes? I see they try to make mons with early gen sensibilities but then we get dogshit like most mons in the last 2 gens.

>>58134953
Tentacles are too laborious to.draw and animate please understand

>>58134437 (OP)
The highs go really high in Gen 1, but the lows are also among the worst in the franchise.
This did not happen as much in other gens.
Gen 3 doesn't have such a catastrophe as pic while the highs of Gen 3 are at eye level with Gen 1.

>>58135236
No my friend, a significant chunk of the roster is taken up by either babby mons or mons that look like pre-evos even tho they aren't (and a few cases where they actually got demoted to pre-evos).

>>58136182
above eye level actually

3 > 4 > 1 > 2

>>58135169
I heckin love kanto....

>>58134884
This post reads like an ironic parody

>>58136513
everything toddies write is a joke

>>58136182
Reminder Jynx originally had black skin and was intended as a parodyof ganguro girls and seen as a form of blackfaced, later being changed to purple skin. Just a little history lesson for the screetching toddlers itt. So yes, even Jynx is more based than anything in any later gen

>>58134884
johtimmies need to have their fingers chopped off

>>58134988
>>58134979
There needs to be some way to make baby Pokémon and cute basic Pokémon more viable, I hate using uglymons just so I don’t get btfo, case in point pic rel (and magby)

>>58134953
compare Tauros with miltank and pilozwine too lol

>>58137474
Little Cup was introduced in Stadium 2 probably for that reason.

>>58134646
This is just depressing

>>58138871
imagine how Kanto fans felt back in the day seeing that was what the series was going to become

>>58136182
Gen 3 has a really solid dex. It has none of my favorites but you could take almost any random collection of 6 pokemon from it and I'd be happy with the result. Just consistently decent across the board.

Kanto's is the third best dex. Very valuable.

>>58139996
>Kanto's is the third best dex
*1st

Followed by Hoenn and Unova