Thread 58136053

With the announcement of the 2026 World championships being played on Pokémon Champions, the Scarlet and Violet era has ended. These are the 3 players who won during that era.

How do we feel about the players and the teams used to win?

I kinda feel sad cause I started VGC in 2023 (right after watching 2023 worlds) and we are already moving on from it.

>no incin
>no calyrex (both forms)
>no rillaboom

>Japan
>Italy
>USA
German bros, WYA?

>>58136053 (OP)
2023 proves that the tournament should be held in Japan for stricter hack checks
2024 proves that Miraidon is based
2025 proves Wolfe and the baras are fraudulent

>>58136053 (OP)
>2023 3 Gen 9 Pokemon
>2024 4 Gen 9 Pokemon
>2025 (effectively) 5 Gen 9 Pokemon as the Gen 8 one wasn't playable until Gen 9

>>58136053 (OP)
Wolfe said incin was the most broken pokemon in VGC history, why is it not here?

>NatDex
>1 restricted
>2 restricted
My opinion is that SV metas were fucking cancer.
And I'm not even the sort to whine and cry about muh variety and legends bad but goddamn wasn't Gen 9 extremely cancer thanks to the ridiculous power creep.

>>58136121
SV is the best VGC has ever been

>>58136116
Turns out you shouldn't listen to a regional merchant who's now a proven bum and fraud saying on record that KoraLuna was "not the pick for Worlds" and yet KoraLuna was the restricted pair that won Worlds and on top of that the composition of the team that just won Worlds was practically identical to his proving without an ounce of doubt that it was plain and simply a skill issue.

>>58136140
Wolfe won EUIC with 1k+ people. You also speak as if winning a regional is easy.

>>58136147
because we all know 900 potfillers are fiercer competition than 99 invitees

>>58136149
all of the best players in the EU region attend EUIC, same with NA and NAIC and LATAM with LAIC. 1k people is no joke. Wolfe wins the events with the most people, Orlando, Charlotte etc. also wont Toronto, EUIC and the GC from this year which has like 14k people. why you choose to downplay this seems like you are being ignorant on purpose.

>>58136149
so those 1000 people were just bots? what? have you been to an IRL let alone an IC. everyone you face has some experience most likely.

>>58136149
What regional / international have you been to.

>>58136147
>Bloated tourney full of shitters
*yawn*
>You also speak as if winning a regional is easy.
Never said otherwise but it's clearly his limit.

>>58136180
>Never said otherwise but it's clearly his limit
not when hes won nationals, internats (this year) and already has a world title.

>>58136147
>>58136149
>>58136164
>>58136167
>>58136179
>The fraudfesissy is back at it again despite getting BTFO countless times through the weekend at the World's thread
PFFFFFFFFFFFHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
Repeat after me, Wolfesissy.
IT WASN'T ENOUGH

>>58136180
>>Bloated tourney full of shitters
ok so now I understand you're just baiting. you were presented with information that proved you wrong and that was your response. I won. thank you. do not reply to me again.

>>58136192
Verlis, we all know it’s you spamming this shit. You’ve been obsessed with Wolfe for over a decade now. No one in the community likes you.

>>58136164
>all of the best players in the EU region
>same with NA and NAIC and LATAM with LAIC
how many of them made it to worlds, the most important tournament of all? the one with all the actual winners?

>>58136192
you spamming and being obtuse to actual arguments isnt btfoing anyone bro.

>>58136200
>No one in the community likes you.
he mixed up James and Jonathan Evans lol. hes omega washed like his content

>>58136133
>the best VGC has ever been
But enough about SM!
Between meme horses, meme bikes, dozo, Archadulon Rain, Snealer, and others I'm forgetting about, SV has been utter and complete and absolute cancer.
Primals, Xerneas, Gen 8 Zacian combined aren't even half as cancer as SV ended up being.

>verlis called out
>leaves thread
come back anthony

>>58136109
>baras are fraudulent
there are two baramons on that team anon

>>58136316
which ones?

>Japan
>Hawaii
>Anaheim
>San Francisco
does pokemon hate europeans?

>>58136324
Ursaluna and Koraidon

>>58136328
Pokemon is based in Japan and Washington State. Also worlds finals is hosted in an arena so they have to get a big enough venue for that AND a big enough arena.

>>58136316
notice how you left out "the" obtuse tardo

>>58136053 (OP)
bear bros, smogonfags said we would be shit. whats the excuse?

>>58136133
I'd argue SM and XY were better, however this was an incredible recovery after the shit show that was SS.

I'm not even joking, here this was miles better than SS.

>>58136328
Europe is too primitive to host the World Championship.

>>58136341
they hosted worlds in London in 2022.

>>58136347
because SWSH was set in the UK

>>58136140
>saying on record that KoraLuna was "not the pick for Worlds"
But... didn't he bring KoraLuna?
Did he say that after he lost and before Gio won?
Or did he say that before the worlds to trick people into thinking that it was a bad combo when it was actually the best?

>>58136328
It's just business, anon.
All this competition, in reality, only exists so that they can host glorified conventions to sell merch.
There's a reason why the prizes are so miserable when compared to all other e-sports.
Japan is Japan, and all the US sites are always very centric places for a reason.
Hosting in yurop is very bad business.
>>58136338
I still find it hilarious how so many people pretended mememax was actually good who then did a complete 180 the second swooshie VGC ended.

>>58136188
>already has a world title.
Yeah, in gen 6.
Before hyper training.
Before nature mints.
Before event moves were banned.
Willingness and ability to gen were a huge gatekeeper back then.
Now genning is just a matter of convenience. You don't get a real advantage anymore. And ever since genners stopped getting a real advantage, Wolfe suddenly capped out at internats.

>>58136328
lots of euro countries have strict laws in place with gambling. pokemon is considered gambling so in order to bypass this, they host special events (no prize money) , but since worlds has to have prize money like 80% of European countries are eliminated. Germany and Britain are the only countries big enough and dont have gambling laws that could host worlds. unless you want worlds in fucking Poland.

>>58136358
this
notice they realized it was a mistake and did not do Madrid/Barcelona this gen

>>58136393
>Madrid/Barcelona this gen
cant due to gambling laws in Spain.

>>58136358
where does gen 10 take place. I do not want worlds in India or Africa.

>>58136133

Unironically true. SwSh year was miserable.

>>58136053 (OP)
>>58136060
why no calyrex? CSR didnt even make finals in the SV era btw.

>>58136434
just like xern back in the day. the best teams have multiple counters for it. both of this years finalists teams had flame charge to get a speed boost and KO a CSR so it wasnt free.

>>58136434
it's hilarious how hard people bullshit on here about what they know but clearly don't

>>58136441
wdym

>>58136337
Him and Lunala weren’t used in final

>>58136474
Grim

>>58136474
There's a lot more matches than just the finals, anon. Surely the bear and the bat played their role in other matches.

>>58136474
>retarded casual thinks Gio played the entire tournament with 5 pokemon

>>58136474
Gio still used him in other matches.
Including the semifinal match of his that we got to see.

>>58136522
Kek

Giovanni played so much better than anyone at the tournament.
His plays in the finals demonstrated his absolute mastery of his team and knew exactly what to bring and what not to.
Leaving Lunala because of the poor Calyrex matchup and knowing he could render it useless was incredible.
CalyrexS got one KO all three sets, Brute Bonnet.

>>58136060
And that's a good thing

>>58136328
Gambling laws
There aren't a lot of Yuro Pokemon compfags compared to the USA and Japan
Pokemon is basically a Japanese/American franchise with outliers from the rest of the world

>>58136070
well his surname kinda sounds German

>>58137867
>Pokemon is basically a Japanese/American franchise
this

>>58136053 (OP)
The 3 year format cycle in the past where it was Region dex, Nat dex (no restricteds) and double restricted was better than what they did here. First year should showcase the new toys, restricted should just be the final year.

>>58137902
I liked single restricteds the 2nd year and double Rez the second year, especially if its going to all me on one game.

>>58137903
2023 worlds should have just been reg c. idk they purposely allowed the HOME mons to be legal just in time for worlds. it was a disaster team building wise

>>58137907
so you'd buy HOME and the DLC for SWSH

>>58137903
A game shouldn't have more restricted formats than regular formats, these Pokemon weren't meant to be balanced or fun competitively. People only tolerated them because they freshened up the last year of a generation, but now they aren't even uncommon.

>>58137945
From a marketing perspective it makes more sense.

Smells like dogfucker in here

>>58137859
He just was on another level compared to everyone else.

>>58138000
Lmao

>>58138000
new basedjak??

>>58136446
CSR was literally in this finals

>>58136133
I liked Swsh release and Crown Tundra the best (isle of armor was kinda cancer)

>>58136053 (OP)
Fuck Calyrex Shadow

>>58136053 (OP)
>Brute bonnet
The fuck? How?

>>58138143
Ammonguss but it beats CSR

>>58137859
That Stellar Moonblast onto the Brute Bonnett was a crazy play. It James Tera’d that, Gio loses on the spot

>>58136149
This ain't 2014 anymore, where 20% of contestants brought their ingame teams. To top-cut any regional, you'll have to play 3 regional champions minimum. The playerbase has evolved.

>>58138454
>This ain't 2014 anymore, where 20% of contestants brought their ingame teams.
Lmao at 2013 US nationals my round 1 and 2 were people doing this.

>>58138480
I think even now you'll run into a few naive kids doing this in the first few rounds. Obviously they usually go like 0-6 so you don't see them later.

>>58136133
This.

>>58136053 (OP)
CHADshifu

>>58136192
>>58136140
>Verlistroon is still malding
>Gets called out and abandons the thread
KWAB

>>58138626
As per usual kek

>>58136053 (OP)
>2023: Mixed team
>2024: Violet team
>2025: Scarlet team
Bellissimo.

>>58138165
>It James Tera’d that, Gio loses on the spot
??????
Stellar Tera Moonblast would've still been super effective if he did that.

>>58138847
No one, not even the pros, knows how stellar tera actually works. Is tera stellar astral SE into tera normal? There’s no way to tell. It’s simply unknowable.

>>58138847
>>58138861
I'm dumb, it was Stellar Tera Terablast and Tera Starstorm that has that effect. Stellar Tera Moonblast would've just had one STAB boost against a Tera Water Brute Bonnet, but probably wouldn't have OHKO'd it.

>Is tera stellar astral SE into tera normal?
That would've had no effect, because Astral Barrage's type wouldn't be changed by the Stellar Tera.

>>58138826
kek, just realized.

>>58138847
Tera Water

>>58138826
Based

>Wolfeissies are still seething and coping
Fucking kek

>>58139873
>the cuck jumps when hes told
called your bitchass out kek

>>58136053 (OP)
how did lunala survive power creep? raging bolt damn near has the same stats as it

>>58140145
having shadow shield means that no matter how powerful the format gets, it cannot be OHKO'ed

>>58140145
shadow shield, good stabs, wide guard , trick room, good stats. also its one of two wide guard users that arent dog shit

>>58136133
the best era of VGC was Gen 4

>>58140195
calm down unc

>>58136057
next thing you know, to will be 10 years

>>58138847
I think you have stellar starstorm/blast mixed up with normal tera stellar boosted moves

>>58136060
calyrex is no match for modern power creep. gen 10 will give us box legends that will make the bikes look like shit.

>>58136337
singles is different than doubles

>>58136337
There are so many different modes of playing doubles than in singles. My recollection of singles is that you either have setup hyper-offense or setup stall.
Ursaluna is a very dangerous mon under trick room and facade 1hkos almost anything that doesn't resist it. The only thing it has to watch out for is speed tie with Calyrex Ice.

>>58136337
>>58141155
Is Ursaluna or Bloodmoon more viable in doubles?

>>58141368
Ursaluna sees more usage, but Bloodmoon is still really powerful on the correct team.

>>58136060
as it should be

>>58141368
ursaluna hisui has been more consistent in SV but Bloodmon is still a tank

Pokemon is just extremely rng and prediction relevant just look at Luca placing like shit in regionals and internationals and then randomly winning worlds

>>58136053 (OP)
AVRA

>>58136053 (OP)
Giovanni deserves his own thread for the level of skill he displayed.

>>58136053 (OP)
Americans, we are so back

>>58141641
I agree, the guy knew his team and match ups so well that even bad matches didn't matter.

>>58142125
I could tell when he benched his lunala all three games.

>>58136060
Based SV era.

So now that the dust was settled, who was the biggest fraud and bum of SV VGC in players and Pokemon?

>>58142391
Verlis

>>58136060
Good, now all that's left to get rid of is Urshitfu & I'll start to care again

Go fuck a dog Verlisify

>>58136391
what's wrong with poland
good food, cheap hotels, cheap flights, grumpy people that hate outsiders but it's not their fault

>>58142534
Who the fuck wants to go to Poland.

>>58136060
Music to my ears.

>>58142534
What's easier to do?
Convince the five people on Poland that would go to Worlds in Japan or the US to go there?
Or convince the thousands of people who go to Worlds from US and Japan to go fucking Poland?
Use your brain, retard. This shit is a business. You want a central place or a tourism-based place.

>>58136053 (OP)
>Flutter Mane 2/3
Truly a menace 10/10 mon.

>>58143047
THE MVP of the SV era

>>58142534
Worlds is basically a massive Pokémon convention. For every world’s competitor there’s 20 spectators that flew in from all over the world to attend. The average Pokémon fan is not flying all the way out to Poland for that, they would fly to Japan or San Francisco though.

>>58142534
Poland is a shit tourist spot

Where's Wolfe?

>>58143381
Go to bed verlis

>>58143381
Busy getting canceled over being a zionist.

>>58136060
the world is healing

>>58136116
Incin had the top usage at Worlds.

>>58136378
He said it two weeks before Worlds then brought it himself, so he either one, didn't believe it and said it to trick people, or, two, did believe it but brought it anyways because of comfort/familiarity because at a big tournament those will get you more wins than a "better" team you're inexperienced with.