>>58136996 (OP) >doesn't take up gimmick slots or held item slots to be at full power >achieves power not through stat bloat (though their stats are still monstrous) but damage multiplier bloat through pre-existing mechanics, meaning they won't get nerfed like Zacian and Zamazenta unless they want to tank weathers and terrains as a whole, making countless Pokemon absolutely horrible and giving even more powerful to mons like Calyrex and Urshifu
Just how will they top these weird sandwich loving dogs in gen 10, I wonder?
>>58137042 >-Miraidon isn't a champion >+he literally became a champion >-not yesterday!
You are a retard and nobody cares about Wolfie nor your beef with him
>>58137014 >though their stats are still monstrous
they're weaker than Conkeldurr and Chandelure and do not have a stat above 135
150 is hardly "monstrous" and they don't even have that
>ogerpon won worlds >both bikes won worlds >iron hands and flutter mane won worlds twice >chi yu and chien pao won worlds
CHADea? The strongest region.
>>58137102
It's wild how they said during Galar development they wanted to make "the strongest pokemon" only for them to go even more nuts with the next region both with individual mons and trainers (see ID)
>>58137094
135 is extremely monstrous in the context of the kinds of damage boosts they can rack up though. Miraidon's Electro Drift can get Terrain boosted, Hadron Engine boosted, STAB boosted, Tera boosted, Specs boosted AND Super Effective boosted, which is far more obscene in damage potential compared to having a big stat number.
>>58137217
Wait, what DID happen to The Arceus doggos? Were the once-per-battle boost and BST nerfs so severe no one is using it anymore? And did Body Press really cause Zenta to fuck shit up that hard? I haven't kept up with Gen 9 competitive at all and haven't actively participated since Gen 7 so these new usage stats are crazy to me
>>58137102
If they had more time to polish and work on Paldea I think it'd be at very least top 3 for pokemon games. Good characters and a fair amount of cool new pokemon. SwSh could never.
>>58137446
Paldea is shit on the technical level, the graphics and programming, everything else is top tier. SwSh is so bad it's the only gen to break the cycle of people thinking the previous one was better, everyone agrees the customization and artstyle was better than SV but absolutely nothing else
>>58137328
If i got it right, The Anti-Gigantamax Meme of their signatures is useless currently, but Magenta Dog has Bodypress using Defence instead of Attack effectively making it not give a fuck about Intimidate shenanigans giving it a niche even with the nerfed stats (And that nerf matters less since Zenta had a less minmaxed stat spread to start with, so trading the BST for Body Press was basically an upgrade.) while Cyan Dog gets sprayed by it ( And it WAS Relying a lot on its minmaxed stats, making the nerft get felt more while gaining practically nothing in exchange.)
Shield Wolf deserves it though, It had it rough in SwSh.
>>58137433
It was a massive nerf. Intrepid sword only boosting one time in the intimidate meta, where it can’t even hold a clear amulet outside of its middling base form, is doa. Not to mention its attack was nerfed anyway. Zacian went from the number one pokemon used in the entire format, with over 60% across all teams, to a mon that maybe one person gets to top cut with if they’re lucky.
>>58137014 >Just how will they top these weird sandwich loving dogs in gen 10, I wonder?
Nerfing their abilities and signature moves and introducing new fotg broken legendaries
>>58137465
I can’t believe people tried to argue with me in early SV that Zamazenta somehow wasn’t buffed, as if Body Press didn’t more than make up for what were ultimately inconsequential nerfs in the face of such an overpowered move for it.
>>58137462
Yeah agreed. It's optimized like shit but it did a lot of good things well. Characters and story could've been genuinely great given more time but were still good (except team star) customization and artstyle SwSh probably wins but everything else? hell no. Hop vs Nemona alone is a clear SwSh loss not to mention Arven. (Klara was good though)
I like the Raidons in terms of story, they're neat. But I just don't like using legendaries. Never used one in a team and never will. It's distracting to have to be riding on a prehistoric myth the whole game.
>>58137554
Separating characters sucks so fucking much what the fuck were they thinking? Not being able to encounter a mon wild is a thing, but changing characters altogether is such a terrible idea
>>58137493
I expect at least Haidron Engine to recieve a pretty substantial nerf.
Koraidon gets nerfed heavily by just removal to its access to tera. In order for Koraidon to have the same ability/weather synergy it must tera fire.
That's kind of what made it difficult to pilot Koraidon before Giovanni dominated Worlds, it's a tera hog and its best set requires tera to work.
>>58137014
Taking away the paradox pokemon will take away a lot of their value
Protosynthesis and Hadron Engine are very strong abilities and the Dons enable them
>>58137724
Disagree, I think stand alone Miraidon(particularly) and Koraidon do very well.
Protosynthesis and Quark Drive need a nerf to only 15% though. Many of the paradox mons are min maxxed enough that they provide too much value in restricted and non-restricted formats.
>>58137724
Anon Protosynthesis and Hadron Engine aren't equals. Protosynthesis is the scarlet equivalent to Quark Drive, Hadron Engine's scarlet equivalent is Orichalcum Pulse.
And removing the other paradox mons won't change shit, it's the other way around. Koraidon Koraidon and Miraidon are sun/electric field setters so they make the paradoxes stronger, but the paradoxes themselves don't boost the Dons.
>>58137491 >Nerfing their abilities
Just taking away the 1.33 pointless extra multiplier is enough They'll just be Groudon and Tapu Koko, but it's a small price to pay.
>>58138374
That was a Koraidon team for a while.
Ability shield Koraidon, GWeezing, etc.
Was annoying to play against since Weezing is deceptively bulky and doesn't like to die.
>>58137626 >I expect at least Haidron Engine to recieve a pretty substantial nerf.
If Hardon Engine gets nerfed, then so does Cum Pulse.
Korai and Mirai are counterparts, so they have to be treated equally even when they're not equal.
That said, I think if they dexit paradoxes, it will hurt Mirai more than Korai, since sun teams are a real archetype and electric terrain teams aren't.
>>58137892
Removing paradoxes doesn't nerf them directly, but when restricted legendary slots are limited, having pre-selected powerful teammates is a strong benefit.
