Thread 58139832

There’s no reason why tauros and miltank don’t produce a calf pokemon that evolves into one or the other based on its sex. Right now, if tauros and miltank do what bovines do then they’ll only produce more miltanks despite the strong implication that they are to each other what the male and female nidorans are to one another.

Never understood why they made a realistic bull with whip tails and a pink, cartoon cow. You'd think if they wanted them to look related they'd have made it more animal-like and not just an inferior meme Ampharos

>>58139849
>inferior meme Ampharos
wut

>>58139832 (OP)
What does baby Seviper look like?

>>58139865
Miltank basically falls off after you first encounter it as Whitney's ace. It peaks there and then holds on a little bit longer before not really working as a late game party member. If you want a better farm animal in your party, Ampharos actually holds its own and looks aesthetically better as a bipedal mon than Miltank does

>>58139849
People have pointed this out, and I feel like the juxtaposition is intentional.
Tauros are big, scary realistic bull-monsters, Milktank are goofy mascot looking cartoon cows. It's the masculine/feminine dynamic taken to a bit of an extreme.

Even far more weirder, they made Bouffalant but not give it a pre-evo or an evolution

Do they even have an official lore connection? Are we sure it's not just too entirely different bovine species(that happen to be male only because the design has the large horns/mane of a male bull/bison and female only because the design is centered on milk production)?
If they made a kangaroo pokemon(that was male only because they are going for the "boxing kangaroo" concept) doesn't mean it's deliberately a male counterpart for Kangaskhan just because they are based on a similar type of animal

I really like the idea of tying not just tauros and miltank together, but also bouffalant, and maybe add another cow mon to even it out and make the tauros vs bouffalant and miltank vs new cow mon reasons for evolution based on something like the size of the area it evolved in, so that if it evolves in a lower square foot area it evolves into tauros or miltank based on gender and if it evolves in open fields it would evolve into bouffalant or whatever new cow mon, as a domestic vs wild difference. Would be fun. Alternatively make the prevo have a domestic or wild form based on how long you've had it or how many times you've fed it/how recently you've fed it; then you could make it even more obviously domestic/tame vs wild/feral. Especially because you could make the two forms fairly minimally different and only including common traits of domestication vs feral things, like the domestic having eyebrows and spots and the feral having unkempt hair, or something. I think it would be fun.

>>58140056
I feel that Bouffalant should stay standalone or at least seperate from Tauros. And for your idea it's better to just use it for the regional Tauros forms, maybe add some Miltank forms for good measure (unless this is a Burmy situation?)

>>58139942
In the Alola Dex they're listed on the same page, implying that they're meant to be counterparts.

>>58139849
>why aren't my Japanese cartoon monsters just like real life?

>>58140182
Not what I said at all so quit talking to yourself before you embarrass yourself online

>>58140126
I think my idea would have been more palatable in the leadup to gen 6, pre-regional forms in addition to the specific tauros regional forms, and the period in which those types of forms I suggested for the baby mon would have been rarer. I wouldn't mind just going full nonsense and connecting all of them: add the new cow, and then add new equivalent regional forms for miltank, bouffalant, and the new cow, and the baby mon can be in any of the "4" forms, plus divided by feral vs domestic, making 8 total, while still evolving based on male vs female, too. I just want stupid stuff like this man.

>>58139849
kanto design philosphy VS johto design philosophy

>>58140056
>>58140126
I feel Tauros should be the husband, Miltank should be the wife and Bouffalant should be the bull

>>58139921
>Even far more weirder, they made Bouffalant but not give it a pre-evo or an evolution
Even weirder than that they made 3 new Tauros and didn't bother to make a new evolution. Why even make the one with the short horns the fire and water ones work just fine and they're also fighting type so why would you want the boring mono fighting one? Paldean Tauros just seems like it was made to fill the gen 1 quota.

>>58140401
Johto not beating the "plush toys made for girls and babies" allegations

>>58140126
>>58140056
bouffalant is a bison, not cattle

>>58140485
Actually both are pokemon. Nobody cares about the difference between a wisent and an aurochs when it comes to pokemon, they can share a prevo, it's fine. They're even obviously more similar than tauros and miltank are, but you're not objecting to that pairing.

>>58140479
Allegations? They were pretty damn blatant about it.

Baby Pinsir.

>>58140719
Those are all really good.

>>58140742
only cryscross loamix and sproutrap are any good

>>58140719
Ladrake > All

>>58139882
>the fast, decently bulky mon doesn't "work as a late game party member" in an already easy game
Sure, anon.

Volcarona, the thing spends way too long being Larvesta, even more baffling when it was the giftmon that hatches from an egg. We need a stage 1 for it that covers the levels from 1 to 30

>>58140977
You can't go lower than a larva except, well, an egg. The line needs a cocoon stage between Larvesta and Volcarona.

>>58140977
>>58140991
you CAN go lower than larva if you think about it. Reference the idea of Volcarona being worshipped as the sun and make a very weak fireball almost incorporeal stage as its prevo, and give it some interesting moves to compensate. Make its stats something like 45/40/45/40/45/40, give or take, and its bst becomes 255 which is significantly below larvesta but not out of the ordinary for a weak prevo. It being a little floating ball with a face would be completely fine.

>>58139942
>>58140129
Reminder Paldea has Tauros but Miltank eas completely dex cut proving that they are not seen by Game Freak as Pokémon that should be connected.

>>58139832 (OP)
We can assume that both are born in the wild and Miltank is just what happens with the egg system.

>>58139942
They share a page on the Alolan dex.
IIRC the gen 2 zukan had Oak considering they might be the same species when discussing the fuckups in the pokedex but I don't have the pages on hand.

On the other hand, Miltank wasn't in SV despite Tauros being in and they're usually autistic about those things.

>>58141313
>On the other hand, Miltank wasn't in SV despite Tauros being in and they're usually autistic about those things.

She doesn't like black guys

>>58139942
I feel like it's one of those things that started in the fandom and was later adopted by the franchise, like the term Eeveelution or the regional forms (They started years before of G7 as variant fanarts)

>>58139832 (OP)
>tauros and miltank produce a calf pokemon
BEHOLD THE ULTIMATE LIFE FORM!

>>58140485
A mouse can evolve into a lemur but a calf evolving into a buffalo is too big a leap for you?

Reminder that Turtonator was one of the most cucked Pokémon from the mess that was Sun and Moon, it had two previous evolutions that were cut just so it could be version exclusive counterparts to Drampa, only to fall into mediocre obscurity along with the confirmation that Drampa will be getting a mega and Turtonator won't be getting anything

>>58139832 (OP)
It would be interesting to have an early baby Pokémon with different evolution potentials, for example:

A beetle larva that evolves into a Heracross or a Pinsir depending on the day or night.

A baby gibbon that evolves into a Passimian or an Oranguru depending on an item (a ball and a book). It would be based on a water boy whose dream is to become a player or a coach.

>>58142079
We never get enough 3 stage lines. Why not just make new prevos for drampa??? It'd be so easy to just reference the sphinx riddle or something to pop out 2 prevos for him...

>>58141952
looks like emboart's preevo, that's a no from me

>>58142079
Id honestly rather have a regular evolution for turtonator than megaslop.

>>58140227
You can't handle them being cartoony, I get it. Anime uses cartoony or realistic looks depending on the purpose. Tauros served one purpose, Miltank another, and you can't handle things not being standard because you have autism

>>58143114
It's not that. If they wanted to imply a connection, they should be more similar than esoteric interpretations of similar animals. Tons of Pokemon have different interpretations of a type of animal like Crobat, Swoobat and Noivern

Meanwhile Pokemon with ACTUAL gender dimorphism into separate species not only breed into each other (Nidorans and Volbeat/Illumise) but look the same. Assuming these mons are the same species is more autistic because they're a bull/cow than saying they should look the same. They pretend this is the case in XY/SM but suddenly Paldean Tauros exists and no Paldean Miltank like they realized they just didn't justify a real connection other than another cow doesn't exist

>>58142938
that's a surprisingly solid design

>>58143126
>If they wanted to imply a connection,
they don't need to have planned it out ahead of time dude, it would just be cool to have...

>>58143190
Shoulda made a native baby Paldean calf and a Paldean Miltank that's Fairy/Rock so it gets Rollout STAB and is actually good

>>58143203
I dig it. Loosely base the miltank on aurochs to imply fossil shenanigans too so the rock typing makes even more sense. Would be fun.

>>58139832 (OP)
Top 5:
>Miltank/Tauros
>Kangaskhan
>Onix
>Drampa
>Tropius
While we’re at it, Incenses are dumb and need to go. Breeding should automatically provide the baby.
>>58140719
>>58142079
I like all of these ideas

>>58143249
>incenses are dumb and need to go
that's how is it in SV. If a Pokemon has a baby form, that's what will hatch, incense or not

Every Gen V latebloomer evo is guilty and needs a babymon. It was fine in BW / BW2 because of the level curve you encounter them at, but now they will stand as Pokemon nobody ever uses because they can't be encountered early because of their asinine required evolution level

>>58139832 (OP)
Soon

>>58143249
>>58143262
if anything incenses should be available to force the fully evolved version

>>58141952
>>58143294
cute!

>>58144431
I'd rather a Hariyama evolution into a yokozuna with Purifying Salt.

>>58144431
I'd prefer a female who could explain how they reproduce in the wild without having to rape Ditto.

>>58144431
>Name baby after Korean martial art
>Evolutions are all Japanese martial arts

What did they mean by this?

>>58141472
>>58142096
>>58144431
>>58146511
I don't want to be a rude dude and just inject another series, but this one one thing digimon does infinitely better than pokemon leaving few lose ends, this chart isn't even up to date because more many mons have been added to the top since it's inception


>>58139849
this, that was stupid.
Minotaur doesn't = regular bull

>>58140719
These are very interesting, but also all quite different from the cross-gen pre-evos we already have.

>>58144431
>>58146511
prevo should be tan and there should be 2 new evos, one green and one yellow referencing blocking and dodging that are the same stats as throh and sawk but special instead. then you can give them megas that give Throh a Fire-type, Sawk a Water-type, "Blawk" a Grass-type, and "Dawj" an Electric-type, all as their secondary types.

>>58140963
You can't use it against Red because its STAB isn't super effective against any of his moves. You will be underleveled in that fight due to the god awful level curve so you need every little bit of super effective damage you can get.

>>58142096
>A beetle larva that evolves into a Heracross or a Pinsir depending on the day or night.

>>58149543
I think it would be more interesting as a location-based evolution. Wooded areas / Dungeons = Heracross, Open Field = Pinsir. It also reflects how they were encountered

>>58149624
or food:

Sap for Heracross

Root for Pinsir

>>58139832 (OP)
>baby kangaskhan
>1 headed doduo
>aerodactyl as 2 stage like other gen 1 fossils
>sunkern

otherwise connect
>tauros miltank
>sawk throh
>pinsir heracross
>plusle minun
>volbeat illumise

>>58142938
>>58143190
Its just Turtonator fused with Lagiacrus from Monster Hunter for some reason, the artist even copied the same pose.

>>58150341
I guess that's why it's so solid lmao

>>58150314
It would have been so easy

>>58150466
perhaps something more original

>>58139832 (OP)
>We need a weaker and shittier version of this Pokémon that's so dogshit it's near impossible to use!
No, fuck off. Baby Pokémon are fucking garbage and they never should've existed.

>>58139832 (OP)
I think Gen 9 killed off the connection with the regional forms. They don't necessarily need a baby form. Volbeat and Illumise can produce offspring of either type. Gen 9 they don't appear together at all which is probably the first generation in ages where that happened. Miltank isn't in the game.

On the topic of baby forms and autism they need to retcon the Nidorina Nidoqueen sterile thing

>>58139921
>he STILL doesn't understand gen 5

>>58143262
Only downside is the quirk of breeding a Kanto Mr. Mime in Galar no longer works but that's pretty much the only instance of that. You'd get a Mime Jr. and evolving it would get you a Galar one.

>>58139882
Too bad in exhange it stops looking like a sheep.

>>58143284
This. Braviary and Mandibuzz are the worst offenders.

Level fifty fucking four. Christ. And for what? Some birds. Birds that would've been really, really useful like twenty or so levels ago. These things would be beloved if you had a chance to use them in a regular playthrough, but they exist only for competitive people who love lower tiers or just fixated weirdos who accept waiting until the Elite Four.

Larvesta makes sense to me because it's the regional champ's axe and Volcarona is designed to be unusually strong, but these are just. Birds.

>>58151424
>>58143284
Also, funnily enough, I have a legal level 45 Hydreigon from a tera raid. We are all Ghetsis now.

>>58151428
I don't think that's possible. Hydreigon only appears in raids 5* and up. Either you're lying or it's an illegitimate raid.

>>58151424
You can actually get Rufflet and Larvesta decently early in Paldea. Same with Pawniard which evolves pretty late too. In my opinion the most egregious one is Dreepy. At least the other ones I listed have level up movesets you could probably make do with in single player. Dreepy has a dogshit moveset and doesn't evolve until 50.

>>58151431
There was an event raid a while ago that had level 45 Hydreigons and Dragapults.

>>58151463
I think Tynamo is excessive too.

Evolves at 39, until then it only has four moves. And then when you evolve it you're probably so late in the game that you have thunder stones so pretty much no one ever uses Eelektrik.

Meanwhile fucking Beldum evolves at 20.

>>58151485
Oh fair enough I wouldn't have known about those

>>58151497
Beldum is offset by having a retardedly difficult catch rate. It used to be worse since it only learned take down and constantly killed itself. In Gen 8 they relented and gave it tackle instead.

>>58151542
>heavy ball beldum

>>58139832 (OP)
Surprised nobody mentioned this, but I also didn't think of it until just now so I guess it makes sense

>>58139832 (OP)
Togepi

>>58139832 (OP)
The obvious answer for a pokemon that NEEDS a baby form (and and evo) is the neglected charizard

>>58139832 (OP)
I'd like a volbeat/illumise baby that is stronger and more vicious than both parents but you can only obtain by breeding.

>>58139832 (OP)
Gamefreak not giving Kangaskhan a pre-evolution is baffling to this day.
They already designed it. It's right there. But instead they have every Kangaskhan be born already a mother.
And what's even crazier is that there wasn't even a Kangaskhan prevo in the gold and silver leaks.
Gamefreak never even considered it.

>>58153573
>they have every Kangaskhan be born already a mother
Not really.

>>58153527
Having certain pre-evolutions be (intentionally) stronger than their evolutions and only obtainable by breeding is a cool idea.
Like an antlion/lacewing, or a paradoxical frog.
I know we already have an antlion in Trapinch, but I think it's fine to have multiple mons based on the same animal if they explore a different concept.

>>58143294
I actually like this design. Other fan designs in this thread are a bit so-so in comparison. Digimon vibes but who cares.

>>58153527
A babymon that's stronger than its parents is a great concept, actually. It could only be obtained by breeding and maybe even through a selection of specific Pokemon, not just the whole egg groups

Bump

>>58143284
>>58151424
Babymons are needed for pokemon that look way too adult in their base form (Tauros, Onix, Kangaskhan...etc)
Rufflet and Vullaby look as young as it gets
Just change their evolution level and that's it

>>58153527
Same for yanma

>>58152515
I love the concept, but it needs to look more like a small house.

>>58140719
Cryscross my beloved.

Is single stage autism a mental illness similar to single type autism