Thread 58141398

>RGB have the same plot so it doesn't matter
>GS have the same plot but Crystal adds more, it's the definitive edition
>RS plot is based almost entirely on fighting Team Aqua, to the point Emerald, the definitive edition of the GBA games, has to make up new things for Team Magma and Groudon and leave almost everything from the original games to Team Aqua and Kyogre
>DP has Pt as definitive edition on DS, in remakes Dialga's game seems to be the canon one since Legends Arceus uses the Spear Pillar layout of Diamond and Brilliant Diamond, not the one from Pearl and Shining Pearl o from Platinum
>XY case may be more clear after Z-A but so far Lysandre and Xerneas seem to be canon given USUM shows his in the same version that has Cyrus with Dialga
>(U)S(U)M links Solgaleo oriented editions to villains using Xerneas and Dialga so that one is the main canon one
>nobody cares about galashit but Zacian's edition is the one that has you evolve Cosmoem in Solgaleo, like Sun and Ultra Sun, so Sword is the canon one here
>SV also divided Cosmoem evolutions by edition and Scarlet is the one that gets the same evo as Sword, Sun and Ultra Sun
We have Sapphire, Diamond, X, Sun, Sword and Scarlet. What about Black and White? Ghetsis uses Zekrom in Ultra Sun but whose dragon was that? The one that would otherwise be used by Hilbert (meaning he comes from an alt version of White) or the one used by N (meaning he comes from an alt version of Black)? We know for Terapagos that the Master Ball guarantees capture but doesn't make the pokemon stay with you so I find unlikely N was killed and his dragon used by Ghetsis to go against their original goals, not to mention the ball is different too. The animated trailer of B2W2 and the ashnime also show N with Reshiram but who knows, N is paired with Zekrom in some media too.
Which one do you consider the canon story (or "main canon" considering the multiverse makes it so all games happened), Black or White?

Gamefreak does not give a shit about "canon" versions and wipes away all questions with multiverse lol. Legends ZA will dance around if it's following X or Y with shit like saying Lysandare tried to harness the power of "a power Pokemon".

>>58141398 (OP)
I get that it's fun to try and make these sort of connections, but trying to figure out an official canon in a series like pokemon is just picking arbitrary points and deciding they are enough for you to believe them to be true.

For example, this is a completely different Cosmog than Nebby. To assume that all Cosmog can only become Solgaleo is a wild assertation. After all, if the 'canon' is the true version then there is no 'canon' where it can evolve into Lunala which means the pokemon could not exist.

>>58141398 (OP)
>Which one do you consider the canon story
Canon is either official or not at all, not up to fan interpretation.
>considering the multiverse makes it so all games happened
That's not what the multiverse means.
And because you're too retarded to grasp the concept, I'm not saying that there's no multiverse nor that there's a non-canon game.

>>58141417
Multiverse, anon. Any Cosmog can end up being a Lunala in another universe even if the main action happens in the universe where they evolve into Solgaleo

N is a wide-eyed idealist, so Zekrom fits him the best. He gets it in the manga too. Therefore, Black is canon.

>>58141407
Arceus had something subtle telling us Diamond is canon so they can do something like that too, maybe something like Mable mentioning finding a big cocoon years ago. Or just something that tells us about any other game like Paldea's professor being said to be a woman

Black and Black 2 are canon, Reshiram and Zekrom value Truth/Ideals respectively, they were straight up created from those values when the Original Dragon split, adherence to them is a core aspect if their very existence.
N is a character heavily influenced by his warped ideals formed from the lies Ghetsis told him while Hilda/Hilbert show him the truth of the relationship between People and Pokémon.
It genuinely makes zero sense that Reshiram would ever choose to side with N, he fights for what he believes is right even when traveling the world is constantly showing him those beliefs are unfounded, such a commitment to an ideal in the face of truth is exactly the kind of person Zekrom would choose to side with.
Put all this together you realise that White's story just entirely doesn't work on a fundamental level while those same pieces fall into place perfectly in Black, and then of course each sequel directly follows up it's same colour version.

>Gamefreak does not give a shit about "canon" versions and wipes away all questions with multiverse lol. Legends ZA will dance around if it's following X or Y with shit like saying Lysandare tried to harness the power of "a power Pokemon".

Lysandre being there at all is going to already favour X with it's implication that it made him immortal while in Y he just dies.

>>58141444
>"N's character arc ends with him finding out the truth, so Reshiram fits him the best. He gets it in the anime too. Therefore, White is canon."
See?

>>58141444
>>58141453
oh great the retard(s? maybe) too stupid to understand how truth and ideals are extremely vague and overlapping concepts in the game precisely so both fit with any of the two heroes of the game's present story

>>58141398 (OP)
This ugly shit isn't canon that for sure

>>58141452
There’s more hints to Platinum being the canon version than the layout of Spear Pillar from Diamond
>Charon and Darach have ancestors in PLA
>Volo's main Pokémon, Togepi, was once given to the main character by Cynthia, who also uses Togekiss
>The space-time rift on Mt. Coronet is similar to the black rift on Mt. Coronet depicted in the official Platinum illustration, “The Torn World." https://archives.bulbagarden.net/wiki/File:Torn_World.png
>In BW, Cynthia mentions watching a trainer defeat Giratina, which she only does in Platinum

There’s other references to Platinum in PLA in Japanese, like the names of the Miss Fortune sisters, Coin(オウメ Oume), Charm (オマツ Omatsu), and Clover (オタケ Otake), being shared by regular trainers in the Battle Frontier not in DP (Pic related) https://wiki.xn--rckteqa2e.com/wiki/バトルフロンティアのトレーナー一覧_(第四世代), or Rowan having a sweet tooth for Rage Candy Bars in Platinum further connecting Kamado's birthplace being in Johto (he takes on a Kansai dialect during some parts of the game.)

>>58141462
Truth is immutable, Ideals can vary drastically. There is no overlap.

>>58141468
Literally not a single thing you said contradicts BD or SP happening after Legends Arceus

>>58141482
The very first sentence does

>>58141473
>Truth is immutable
Genuinely one of the stupidest things I've ever read on the internet

>>58141493
No, retardo, Charon and Darach having ancestors in LA doesn't mean LA can't happen before BDSP.

>>58141497
it literally does

>>58141497
Yes it does you aspie. We already know GameFreak shit out BDSP at the last minute from their internal finches ments being leaked lol.

>>58141468
if you're going to use PLA as a measure of canon then you have to admit BDSP is canon because of the Overqwil book

>>58141497
Yes it does you aspie. We already know GameFreak shit out BDSP at the last minute from their internal documents being leaked.

>>58141502
>>58141506
You can't even explain your reasoning. I know there's none, but at least you could try, some retarded shit like "if you don't meet Charon in your adventure in BDSP that means he doesn't exist" at least.

>>58141513
Why don’t you explain why they’re not in n BDSP you dumb faggot. Or tell us where Cynthia watches the player fight Giratina in BDSP

>>58141511
Post the relevant part of that.

>>58141510
better to just say pokemon ended at usum and none of the switch dogshit is canon

>>58141537
Lol and thanks

>>58141520
There's nothing to explain, retard, Charon crossing paths with Lucas, becoming a member team galactic or even being born can happen or not independently of you meeting his ancestors seen in LA.
>Cynthia watching the player fight Giratina
That's BW, retardo. Platinum happening before BW and Legends Arceus happening before BDSP are two different things.

>>58141398 (OP)
Both BW are canon, they are parallel worlds that interconnect at the center of Unova by some godly power, just like SV are parallel worlds that form paradoxical cycles to exist

>>58141555
Read the last line of the post again

>>58141545
>There's nothing to explain
There is, you need to explain why one game has ancestors two characters that only appear in one game, and not the game you're arguing to be canon.
>Charon
doesn't exist at all if he's not in the game you dumb faggot
>That's BW, retardo. Platinum happening before BW and Legends Arceus happening before BDSP are two different things.
Of course, retardo, Arceus comes before Pt and BW, hence all 3 of those games referencing characters, content, and events that only appear in those games, not whatever shit you made up in your mind.

>>58141444
>>58141458
So he starts out with ideals and ends with truth. Where that would make Zekrom leave him. Hey wait a second, that sounds right to me.

>>58141453
this

>>58141700
No you inbred, just because your ancestors exist doesn't mean you have to
>be born
>join a villan organization
>encounter the hero who beats your boss' ass
In all possible timelines. There's not a single reason as to why Charon's ancestor existence means you must encounter the guy in BDSP.
>doesn't exist at all if he's not in the game you dumb faggot
Stopped reading here. If you are genuinely too stupid to understand that things you don't see in the game can still exist in universe you aren't worth the time it takes to btfo you. I bet you are one of the retards who said Galar and Paldea aren't in the same universe as XY and SM because you don't get to use megas there

>>58141444
Trips of truth

>>58141520
>>58141700
>this retard thinks Pt and BW are in the megaverse like the next gens
BW people don't even know about fairy types while even Laventon knows them in that universe lmao

>>58141398 (OP)
the one you played you stupid retard

>>58141707
>"so he starts out delusional but finds truth after becoming Reshiram's partner"
That sounds right to me. More right than Zekrom being unova's bike that gets passed from one guy to other once its previous trainer sees the light
>haha you get the "I'm wrong dragon", when you are right you get to pass it to someone else okay? lol

>>58141700
>Wulfric and Clay ancestors appear in Arceus
>Wulfric and Clay don't appear in D, P, Pt, BD or SP
I guess the only canon Sinnoh game is Arceus

>>58141398 (OP)
I consider Black the cannon story. It just makes more sense for N to be someone who ignored reality and lived in his own ideal world.

>>58141757
>>58141808
N who thinks he's right and Ghetsis who wants everyone to think N is right going for Zekrom instead of the pokemon of truth for the king of team plasma is completely retarded, so is Black's opelucid city or Black 2 ruins not being preserved

>>58141458
Dude, you wrote something that makes you look stupid to prove a point? how does that make any sense?

>you see, he didn't know the truth, so that's why the avatar of truth took his side.

>>58141710
>In all possible timelines
Nope, sorry faggot, only possible in the timeline where he exists. The same timeline that references the professor's origins, the battle frontier being built, and has canon story events referenced in past and future game, unlike the shit your sub-80 IQ brain came up with.
>I bet you are one of the retards who said Galar and Paldea aren't in the same universe as XY and SM because you don't get to use megas there
Nah, the only faggots that would say something like this are the same kind of subhuman retards that argue there's eighteen different timelines because of a Spear Pillar layout.
>>58141731
>so assblasted, she starts samefagging with schizo shit
grim.

>>58141830
>why would the pokemon of truth help someone in the wrong achieve the truth?????
Also
>redditspacing

Giovanni is often seen now with Mewtwo Y, and Lillie with Lunala. This means Pear > White > Y > Moon is the canon path.

>>58141793
>Wulfric and Clay ancestors appear in Arceus
>Wulfric and Clay later appear in XY and BW/BW2 and aren't retconned because a brown retard wants to argue there's 100 different timelines
Sounds about right.

>>58141441
If you include multiverses in the canon then both versions become canon.

bdsp can’t be canon if caitlin exists

>>58141839
>everyone who played the games unlike me is the same person
kek
Poor guy

>>58141872
Jokes on you he probably thinks Caitlin doesn't exist in the remakes just because you don't see her

>>58141878
>everyone who played the games unlike me is the same person
kek
Poor guy

>>58141882
Specifically in the BD universe you don't see Caitlyn because she is too busy bearing my children.

>>58141872
Obviously. But the retard already said above he doesn't even think BW is canon so there's no getting through to his little monkey brain.

>>58141894
Based

>>58141882
KEK >>58141896
and now he thinks people don't consider BW canon just because there are multiples timelines

>>58141896
KEK >>58141731
And now she's trying to walk back BW being canon because there's online one timelines. This is the same kind of retard who said Galar and Paldea aren't in the same universe as XY and SM because you don't get to use megas there

>>58141398 (OP)
Nothing after gen v is real doe

>>58141948
>>58141887
who mindbroke you?

discussing canon in pokemon is so retarded and pointless

>using "she" and copying posts exactly as the one btfo'ing him but the other way around
This guy has been around lately and always does the same after being humiliated, don't feed him.

>>58141964
>samefagging after she got BTFO and her fanon was debunked
lmao, ops a butthurt bitch

>>58141878
>>58141935
who mindbroke you?

>>58141960
this but for almost any franchise

>>58141982
Yep, dragon ball included

GameFreak DOES give a shit about canon, actually. It's just that it only matters to THEM when it comes to writing their worldbuilding and timeline of events, because they need a "prime timeline" to abide by.
It's just that for the most part, they keep everything vague for the sake of not breaking the player's immersion, should they be someone who experienced the game where the events that are being called back to took place. For example, there would be dissonance if the guy in SV who teaches you Leon's Throwing Pose directly namedropped how he was dethroned by a "Victor" or "Gloria", when a SWSH player would clearly remember the name they chose for that game.
You know how Red is a near-omniversal constant, right? No matter what, outside of Rainbow Giovanni's universe and the literal isekai power fantasy that is LGPE, the kid who became Kanto's second-ever champion is a boy named Red who famously uses all three Kanto starters and a Pikachu? That's a key example of GameFreak's prime timeline bible, and you only see him appear again and again because they already set precedent in GS, where it was easy to do so since the only variables that existed were player name and team, compared to when Crystal added gender to the mixture, and then XY added skin tones and actual trainer customization that made protagonists even more personal to the player experience.

one timeline
2 genders
2 scoops
shrimple as.

>>58141964
What makes a guy develop such an illness?
https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/58136342/#58140231
https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/58124709/#58125218
https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/58124709/#58125167
https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/58035291/#58123682
https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/58113016/#58113172

>>58142025
Post above yours, he's obsessed with "them"
Must be unovan I guess

>>58141444
I agree. It's odd how controversial this opinion is.

>>58142025
directionbrain is a mental illness

>>58141972
What makes transwomen like OP so mentally ill?
https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/57941141/#57941296
https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/58136627/#q58136627
https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/57790250/#q57792307
https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/57462072/#q57462072
Wonder if his gender delusions have something to do with his time line hallucinations

>>58141845
Giovanni and Lillie representation with Mewtwo X/Y and Solgaleo/Lunala is equal in canon
You may as well say Brock canonically has a Croagunk because the anime gave him one

>>58142074
>What makes transwomen like OP so mentally ill?
he gets all of his information from youtube videos. he probably shit in his mom's panties he was wearing and started making up his own fanon timeline when he saw how the pillars resembled the alignment from dia then rushed here to let us know.

>genuine mentally ill meltdown
Answering OP, Black wasn't even meant to be the first edition (remember Pokemon White and Black?), it's not canon

>>58142015
>one timeline
oh no no no no no no no

what the fuck is going on in this thread

>>58142184
OP got mad people don’t believe her trans fanfiction so she started samefagging and having a meltdown

>>58142184
The unovan illness >>58141964 >>58142025 >>58142074

>>58142184
A pleasant visit from the less mentally ill timeline denier

>>58141398 (OP)
>nobody cares about galashit
Kill yourself.

>>58141467
>Black City is so non-canon it has never been seen in other media
>showing Iris progression from gym leader to champion makes more sense than her being a random child that is champion two years later
>White's triple battles became more numerous than Black's retardly convoluted rotation battles
>White 2 has ancient ruins that apparently they ignored/destroyed to build shit in Black 2
>Reversal Mountain is an active volcano where Heatran rests just like Stark Mountain in White 2, Black 2 version has Heatran but there's no volcanic activity whatsoever making it completely different from the Sinnoh equivalent
>B2W2 animated trailer shows the traditional Opelucid city (just like all media) and N with Reshiram which only applies to White 2
Pokemon Black is a fanfic perversion of the real story

>>58141844
The fuck are you talking about? Are you saying that Reshiram purposefully lost the fight with Hilbert/Hilda?

Dude, how retarded are you?

>>58142439
Nobody is saying whatever bullshit your pea brain tried to use as strawman. And fix your redditspacing already, tourist.

>>58142453
I'm just pointing out the stupid logic of your posts.

Why does this trigger you?

Man, you need thicker skin kid.

>>58142482
>my strawman is valid
No, it is not. And fix your redditspacing, last time I tell you.

Canon classic timeline
>[Arceus equivalent], Red, Crystal, [maybe equivalents to the next games too]
Canon legacy timeline
>[Arceus equivalent], Fire, Emerald, Platinum, White, White 2, [maybe equivalents to the next games too]
Canon modern timeline
>Arceus, [RGB equivalent], Alpha, [GSC equivalent], Brilliant, [BW equivalent], [BW2 equivalent], X, Ultra Sun, Sword, Scarlet, Z-A

Irrelevant non-canon anime-inspired shit
>Yellow and Let's Go Pee
Source: My mother is Jennipher Freak, daughter of Robert Freak the Third, younger brother of John G. Freak and president of Game Freak.

>>58142504
It's not a strawman. It's a simple breakdown of you failed logic that you seem to be incapable of defending. If it was a strawman, it would be piss easy to dismantle.

What is wrong with you?

>>58141444
I think N was written so that it'd make sense for him to end up with either of them, but I'll side with Zekrom too

>>58142594
Canon

>>58143109
Obviously that's the entire point, that's why ideals and truth overlap for the character and story of the game, they are purposelly vague enough so both work for him, only an autist think only one of them makes sense.

>>58143109
>>58144627
>after learning he was manipulated by ghetsis, N realizes the truth
>now that N knows the truth he can develop new ideals
yeah both work fine for him

>>58144665
And in both games he follows an ideal (as some fantastic way of thinking not present in the current society) he wants to make truth since he believes he knows the truth too (that pokemon should be separated from humans)

>>58141444
Based. Kinda funny how deluded whitefags are

Isn't the "she" poster the same retard who adamantly defends gigas and shits on megas at any chance? I wonder if it's because he's assblasted over ORAS using megaevolution to tell apart universes, destroying his "only one timeline" narrative actually BW already did that but he probably doesn't even know that

>>58145978
I wonder how he reacted since Mega-Victreebel wasn't just Victreebel with more spikes like he said all megas were.

>>58141398 (OP)
white and white 2 are canon obviously

>>58141444
what? the ideal is humans and pokémon coexisting. N is fixated on the hard truth that some people mistreat pokémon and believes that ideal to be unachievable. how is he an idealist?

>>58141398 (OP)
I wonder what happened to N and his dragon in that Ghetsis' world. Did Ghetsis just poison N and kept his dragon's ball locked somewhere? Are they just dumb pawns that haven't realized Ghetsis is the true leader of the organization and a tyranical maniac?

>>58147321
I didn't consider that.

>>58148007
It's a timeline where N doesn't change because Ghetsis and Plasma were somehow in the right, which makes me wonder how fucked up normal people are in that reality.

>>58148053
>timeline
There are no different timelines involved in the plot of the Alola games, anon. That's not the type of multiverse they are covering.

>>58141398 (OP)
It's the timeline where the protagonists were defeated, so Reshiram belonged to Hilbert, meaning Black version is canon.

>>58148541
>Hilbert and his dragon are defeated by N and his dragon
>Ghetsis gets Hilbert's dragon
>then appears in Ultra Sun

>uses a Zekrom
That would make White canon, not Black

>>58142001
This anon gets it.
There is a 'canon', but Gamefreak doesn't want to have 'canon' protagonists because the Pokemon's gameplay is supposed to be tailored towards letting the player have their own experience. Having a genuine 'canon' protagonist with 'canon' teams would take away from that, especially when they don't really need to outside of spinoffs where they don't have to be consistent (Norman's kid being May in the anime and Brendan in Masters, Pokemon Generations and Evolutions using different/ambiguous protagonists between episodes for the same regions, etc).

>>58141398 (OP)
>Which one do you consider the canon story (or "main canon" considering the multiverse makes it so all games happened), Black or White?
GF already told us which one is the main canon by showing White 2's Opelucid City and the shadow of N's Reshiram.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAInQ2nBZKg
kek imagine being such an irrelevant alternative take that the trailer showcasting both editions refuses to acknowledge your existence entirely outside your game's cover, it's like if they announced ORAS and only covered Team Magma grunts, Magma suit, Magma hideout, Camerupt submarine and Latios, and the only time you saw an Alpha Sapphire thing was when they show the cover legendaries of both editions

>>58148605
Better comparison would be if SV first reveal had only Naranja Academy, orange clothed Clavell and students and the announcement ended with pic related, only for violetfags to say
>SEE? It's OBVIOUS Violet is the canon version!

>>58148570
No because Ultra moon's rainbow rocket teams make more sense to me.
>Cyrus wants a world without emotions
Have Palkia create a pocket dimension for him
>Lysandre wants to genocide humanity to preserve beauty
Have Yveltal fulfill its purpose.
Dialga and Xerneas don't fit at all in these cases.