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Anonymous No.58143236 >>58143251 >>58143252 >>58143658 >>58143679 >>58144068 >>58144342
How strong is he lore wise? Like arceus being the brightest where does it rank
Anonymous No.58143251
>>58143236 (OP)
depends on how literally you take Reshiram and Zekrom’s dex entries
Anonymous No.58143252 >>58143334 >>58143611 >>58144118
>>58143236 (OP)
Unfused? Probably on par with the legendary birds and beasts
Fused? Matched with Zygarde and Rayquaza
Original dragon? Could be anywhere from Necrozma to Palkia and Dialga, we don't know yet
Anonymous No.58143334 >>58143350 >>58143382
>>58143252
But Necrozma is stronger than Arceus
Anonymous No.58143350
>>58143334
Even though Ultra Necrozma has a higher bst, I don't think it's stronger than Arceus lore-wise
Anonymous No.58143382 >>58143579 >>58146830
>>58143334
It’s not even close to being stronger than Dialga and Palkia
Anonymous No.58143579 >>58143592 >>58146842
>>58143382
It is literally way stronger than either of those jobbers play the games
Anonymous No.58143582
There was a time when trolls at least tried
Anonymous No.58143592
>>58143579
I have played the games tho, it literally is not
Anonymous No.58143611 >>58143618 >>58143624 >>58143628 >>58143669 >>58148630
>>58143252
Arceus > Eternamax Eternatus = Original Dragon > Giratina > Dialga = Palkia > Fused Kyurem = Zygarde = Rayquaza = Ultra Necrozma > Eternatus = Yveltal = Xerneas > Kyurem = Zekrom = Reshiram = Necrozma = Groudon = Kyogre
Anonymous No.58143618 >>58143622 >>58143625
>>58143611
>skipping over birds, beasts and regis
Hahaha oh my GOD. What were you thinking? Did a robot write this?
Anonymous No.58143622
>>58143618
those are all way weaker than anything on the list. they'd just be at the end, what's the point.
weird attitude in your post too
Anonymous No.58143624 >>58143642
>>58143611
You are forgetting the OG Titan. The Blank Plate himself.
Anonymous No.58143625
>>58143618
>No Mewtwo
>No Ho-oh or Lugia
>No Genies or Swords of Justice
80% of /vp/ is bots and that's being generous
Anonymous No.58143628 >>58143632 >>58143996
>>58143611
why is eternatus so high
Anonymous No.58143632 >>58143635 >>58143637
>>58143628
Anonymous No.58143635
>>58143632
>only 115 attack
shitmon
Anonymous No.58143637 >>58143644 >>58143646 >>58143677 >>58144709
>>58143632
ok? bst doesn’t translate to canon though otherwise mega fug and mega mewtwo would also be right up there
Anonymous No.58143642 >>58143647 >>58143717
>>58143624
Its hilarious that in the anime, manga, and TCG art Regigigas is always first to throw hands with the creation trio. He really hates Arceus that much for turning his brothers into plates.
Anonymous No.58143644 >>58143671
>>58143637
Mega fug is only under Arceus, the Original Dragon and Eternamax Eternatus, but above Giratina
Mega Mewtwo is equal to or stronger than fused Kyurem, not quite to the level of Dialga and Palkia but getting there
Anonymous No.58143646 >>58143649
>>58143637
Eternatus apparently has the power to delete all of galar, so there is that.
Anonymous No.58143647 >>58143663
>>58143642
Based titans. Way better than those ugly dinosaurs.
Anonymous No.58143649
>>58143646
that’s like 75% of box legends nowadays
Anonymous No.58143658 >>58143660 >>58143666 >>58143683
>>58143236 (OP)
Arceus is inferior to necrozma. Necrozma is multiversal even if you wanr Arceus to be universal (it's a local deity) Necrozma is above that wanked version by a lot.
Anonymous No.58143660
>>58143658
when we say Arceus we mean the real full Arceus, not the lama
Anonymous No.58143663 >>58143750
>>58143647
Manga Regigigas beat Heatran to death with Palkia as a weapon. Hes the real deal Cosmic Egg Titan.
Anonymous No.58143666
>>58143658
Necrozma isn’t even galaxy level
Anonymous No.58143669
>>58143611
I don't think base Necrozma competes with those 5
Anonymous No.58143671 >>58143676 >>58144152
>>58143644
I refuse to accept any legendaries stronger than the creation trio tbdesu
They're the hard limit on legendary powerscaling, and nothing so far besides Arceus can canonically be on par with or surpass them in strength, given that they have dominion over space, time and entropy
Anonymous No.58143676 >>58143689
>>58143671
>I refuse to accept any legendaries stronger than the creation trio tbdesu
generally I agree with you, which is why I think the only legendaries stronger than them are so in a temporary form only. No one is stronger than them in base form
Anonymous No.58143677 >>58143680
>>58143637
Doesn't it embody infinite energy? In one of the dex entries it even says it was warping the space-time around it.
Anonymous No.58143679 >>58143698 >>58143973
>>58143236 (OP)
We’ll never know because gen 5 is unfinished and didn’t include the original dragon
Anonymous No.58143680
>>58143677
Isn’t that not even unique? I thought Solgaleo and Victini also had infinite energy.
Anonymous No.58143683 >>58143687 >>58144355
>>58143658
>Local deity
The Arceus you catch is explicitly stated throughout the series to be just a splinter of the real thing so that it can experience the world the way people and pokemon do
Anonymous No.58143687
>>58143683
Aus = actual deity

Arceus = Pokemon Avatar.
Anonymous No.58143689 >>58145056
>>58143676
Yeah, I get it, but Rayquaza and Eternatus can't exactly rewrite the rules of reality on a whim like the god dragons can, they're just roided out superbeasts
Anonymous No.58143698 >>58143703 >>58143977
>>58143679
I hope they never make the original dragon.
It's not something that should be seen after it's been separated.
Anonymous No.58143703
>>58143698
I hope they do but they make it inaccessible like eternatus
Anonymous No.58143717
>>58143642
Arceus is a bitch. He will have his vengeance.
Anonymous No.58143750 >>58143783
>>58143663
>He throws the embodiment of space at someone
What the fuck is Regigigas made of?
Anonymous No.58143783 >>58143812
>>58143750
Rage
Anonymous No.58143812
>>58143783
>Rage-igigas
Anonymous No.58143973 >>58148078
>>58143679
They never intended for us to see the original dragon
Anonymous No.58143977 >>58143998
>>58143698
How about a boss only form that you can't see properly as it's covered in some sort of mist.
Anonymous No.58143996 >>58144059
>>58143628
Lore-wise, Eternatus can completely nullify move energy, leaving most Pokemon completely unable to fight back against it since they're unable to call upon their powers.
Only the Hero Dogs and assumedly Calyrex are known to be able to defy this (namely given that Calyrex uniquely has its own blue aura when Dynamaxing, implying it draws from its own power instead of Eternatus' chunks,) and even then it took at least TWO legendaries by that virtue to actually strike down and defeat Eternatus, four if you want to include Calyrex acting As One with one of its steeds.
Anonymous No.58143998
>>58143977
This but it's blinding light
Anonymous No.58144059 >>58144070 >>58144084
>>58143996
Calyrex lost to Eternatus
Anonymous No.58144068 >>58144080
>>58143236 (OP)
he will eat your outdoor purrloin and maybe a lilpup at night but not damage your property value
Anonymous No.58144070
>>58144059
Calyrex may have been bested, but it also helped lessen the calamity in terms of lives lost thanks to its clairvoyance and likely gave the heroes time to arrive and defeat Eternatus.
Anonymous No.58144080 >>58144087 >>58144093
>>58144068
His jaw is frozen shut until he fuses
Kyurem's not a monster, he's just cranky because his face is locked
Anonymous No.58144084
>>58144059
Calyrex was more interested in farming and making sure people would farm in the future.
Anonymous No.58144087 >>58144093 >>58144135
>>58144080
Then how does he eat berries?
Anonymous No.58144093
>>58144080
>>58144087
It somehow manages to eat in Amie, so surely it has no problem eating small things like berries.
Anonymous No.58144118 >>58144133
>>58143252
I thought of 100% zygarde as being as strong as necrozma and eternatus with arceus being around the same level but slightly higher.
Anonymous No.58144133 >>58144202
>>58144118
>100% zygarde
Somewhere between city and continent level threat. It can really fuck things up but it's rigid and starts jobbing if either it meets its match or one of its cells is suddenly compromized
If the leaks are real then I'd be inclined to believe you.
It still can't fly though
Anonymous No.58144135
>>58144087
Painstakingly
Anonymous No.58144152
>>58143671
GIratina is anti-matter with some allusions to satan not entropy. Plus there are arguments to be made since necrozma, eternatus, zygarde probably the original dragon all manipulate pure infinity energy they are near arceus level power or perhaps different aspects of the multifaceted arceus. I'm not sure if terapagos is part of the arceus but it's maybe near that level too since it manipulates infinity energy in tera crystal form. All of the pokemon that manipulate infinity energy to a significant enough degree can warp space and time I think although I haven't seen the original dragon or zygarde do it.
Anonymous No.58144202 >>58144225
>>58144133
Zygarde rules over Yvetal and Xerneas and either of those are capable of fueling the ultimate weapon so Zygarde would have to be well above city level. I'm pretty sure it's implied to watch over the entire world too with all it's cells so while that doesn't mean it's a world destroyer it's definitely some kind of global deity. But while I'm mentioning Xerneas I'm gonna say Ho-ohs ability to bring other pokemon to life has to put it close to the same level as Xerneas. I think it's implied to have used the power of the unown to do it since Suicune has ties to them and Arceus also uses them to channel it's powers. There's a lot of cross over with the roles of ho oh and lugia and other later legendaries. Sea and sky/land, sun and moon, future and present. Their roles/domains as deities are slightly more ambiguous and less defined than others but I think they belong in the power scaling discussion. Also Victini if you're taking it's lore seriously.
Anonymous No.58144225
>>58144202
And lugias ties to the birds is only implied in the games but if you say he created them instead of just ruling over them he also has some control over infinity energy since ho oh would probably have had to use some to revive the beasts and that would put them on the same level. I think originally they were gonna have lugia be the creator of humans in the first draft of the movie but they cut that out like they cut out dialga making people back when he was the god of darkness in the beta
Anonymous No.58144342 >>58144684
>>58143236 (OP)
On par with Arceus if complete, he is responsible for the Union plaza where several worlds connect including those of dreams and more, it's the very embodiment of Taoism given form.
Anonymous No.58144349 >>58144690 >>58144741
Everyone is seemingly forgetting Terapagos in this thread despite the fact that he created several legendaries AND Pokemon just in general through a process of radioactive energy turning into crystal. He made all of Snacksworth stories real by creating the legendary Pokemon he claimed to have met in his journey.

And there were several Terapagos a million of years ago.
Anonymous No.58144355 >>58144716 >>58144721
>>58143683
This also applies to the rest of the creation trio. They are merely vessels of a higher being, that higher being is their respective dimensions, when caught they separate from their connection to their respective dimensions, this is why Cyrus didn't need the Master ball and wanted to control them with the red chains. Arceus has one too, his true form is but a flicker of light.
Anonymous No.58144511
stronger than arc, weaker than fug
Anonymous No.58144684
>>58144342
Is that stated in the games somewhere? That would make sense if it was one of the infinity energy manipulating dragons like eternatus or ultra necrozma
Anonymous No.58144690
>>58144349
I want to say terapagos is at the bottom of the top tier only because there are multiple and it's base form is significantly weaker
Anonymous No.58144709
>>58143637
>BST doesn’t translate to canon
Eternamax size cope for PokeGod retards
Anonymous No.58144716
>>58144355
They're also canonically already not near full power unless they're in the origin forme too. Celebi and Hoopah should maybe be brought up since their powers are similar although obviously not as powerful. If you take the movie lore seriously I think diancie could have accidentally been a world ending threat if it didn't remake some giant diamond but that's less it's strenght and more it being in charge of a mcguffin.
Anonymous No.58144721 >>58148713
>>58144355
>This also applies to the rest of the creation trio
No that’s just Arceus
Anonymous No.58144741
>>58144349
You're interpreting things any old how. That's not what's happening.
Anonymous No.58145056
>>58143689
pretty sure eternatus (at least eternamax) was said to be distorting space-time, so there's that
Anonymous No.58146081 >>58146506
Reminder that Regigigas fought Aus in her pure Kotoamatsukami form and lived.
Anonymous No.58146506 >>58147485
>>58146081
Headcanon + you still haven't figured out where Regigigas' eyes are (they're the 7 black dots).
Anonymous No.58146830 >>58148061
>>58143382
Dialga and Palkia are weak as shit

>PLA
Couldn’t hit a 14 year old running in circles around them
>PMD
Lost to two unevolved shitmon children
>Anime
Couldn’t even beat Arceus, who lost to a space rock
>Manga
Jobbed to Tauros
>Normal games
Any damage calc of a random shitmon BTFOing them
>Masuda’s leaked notes
States outright that they don’t actually control time and space and that Cyrus is a retard
Anonymous No.58146842 >>58146900 >>58147600
>>58143579
Necrozma has, roughly speaking, the power of a Dyson Sphere. It's a star, whose entire energy is set to a particular task. Its power is on par with an entire galactic civilization. It can hypothetically scale higher, o
If it eats multiple stars in a row, but Necrozma's modus operandi is more sustenance, than total assimilation. But, sure, assume it's running with multiple.
To put this in terms of another setting, Necrozma is the Federation from Star Trek, condensed down into a single ship. Spicy stuff. Pretty damn strong.
Palkia, then, is Q, from Star Trek. You CANNOT scale against Palkia by being stronger than it. It just doesn't work, because Palkia is operating on the level of manipulating fundamental aspects of reality. Power is not a qualifiable statement for Palkia. You ask about power, Palkia tilts its head and says "yeees...? I think". You can shoot Palkia with an infinity +1 laser, and Palkia can open a hole to send that laser to go blast another galaxy, or send it right up your ass, like it's fucking Bugs Bunny picking a hole off the ground.
You can charge up your energy to the maximum, then Palkia laughs, and pulls you into the dimension where power = tissue boxes, and you are immediately crushed in a singularity of cardboard and paper.

This is approaching the level of fight absurdity of Goku versus Bobobo. Goku powers up to Super God Saiyan Super Saiyan God Saiyan Sicko Mode Orange, and Bobobo frowns, says he doesn't like the Super Saiyan transformation, and rips out the page of the manga where Goku first transforms, retroactively removing Goku's ability to transform into anything.
Dialga does even better, Dialga can just go back in time, nova all the stars, and now Necrozma starves to death, then Dialga takes starved Necrozma to the end of time, goes back in time by itself, prevents the stars from going nova, and now Necrozma is just gone.
Anonymous No.58146900
>>58146842
>sustenance
It’s also because base Necrozma is a broken entity, it’s trying to use stolen light to fix itself but can’t. It’s why in USUM (or SM? I forget) it loses the light it steals when bonked by a Z-move. I don’t know if this means Ultra Necrozma can eat light as well or if it just doesn’t need to.
Anonymous No.58147485 >>58147501
>>58146506
Japcanon + valid + you still can read Japanese
Anonymous No.58147501
>>58147485
Repeating the same shit over and over won't make it real. You're really tormented.
Anonymous No.58147600 >>58147992 >>58148665
>>58146842
I can tell from your post that you are insanely autistic and I'm talking to a wall making this post but Pokemon do not operate anywhere near the power levels you seem to think they do
Anonymous No.58147992
>>58147600
so say how strong you think they are
Anonymous No.58148061
>>58146830
>Cyrus is a retard
So funny I'm inclined to believe it
Anonymous No.58148078
>>58143973
>they never intended for the games to be finished
I can tell
Anonymous No.58148630
>>58143611

Arceus > Regigigas > Giratina > Palkia/Dialga >Ultra Necrozma > Lake Trio > Original Dragon > 100% Zygarde > Mega Rayquaza > Eternatus = Yveltal = Xerneas > Kyurem/Zekrom/Reshiram > Mewtwo
Anonymous No.58148665
>>58147600
Interested in seeing your rankings then
Anonymous No.58148683 >>58148733
I was always confused on why we never got a full power Kyurem / Original Dragon after fusing with both Reshiram and Zekrom again.
Anonymous No.58148713
>>58144721
Actually speedreading. Go play Platinum right now.
Anonymous No.58148733
>>58148683
Because the two halves can never be whole. The paradox lies within Kyurem, as it's the shell of the Origin Dragon, being Nothingness.