Thread 58144558

Do pokemon retain their mass while shrinking to fit in pokeballs? If so, then how do people carry about 6 of them? If no, then where does that mass go? And how do they get it back?
>Its a pocket dimension dummy hence POCKET monsters
No, they physically shrink to fit in the ball physically, and then the ball shrinks
>Pokemon are DATA
Debunked. Pokemon physically shrink their physical form. Pic related.

>>58144558 (OP)
The mass stops existing. The same way pokemon like Hoopa can form change into something much larger and heavier, or extreme evolutions like Magikarp to Gyarados of Cosmog to Cosmoem occur without consuming all the matter and energy around it.

>>58144558 (OP)
Why did you create this thread again when we have gone over this so many times? You never learn...

>>58144637
Pokemon are stored in the balls

>>58144558 (OP)
The mass is gone and regained when they go back to their true size.
>but scientifically that's...
Weird as fuck yeah that's why the professor says they are fantastic creatures

>>58144722
do people really try arguing scientific validity in the same franchise where the monsters can produce matter such as boulders or gallons of water from thin air

>>58144748
>from thin air
It's just lazy animation

>>58144758
Explain how my pokemon uses surf in a fucking desert

>>58144770
Lazy game design lazy animation

>>58144779
You could make Kojima's studio to animate it and my Gyarados could still use Surf in a place with no water. Because he magically creates it itself

Retards when the literal POCKET MONSTERS have the ability to become POCKET SIZE

>>58144783
>he missed the part about lazy game design
GameFreak are retarded anon. Are you saying they're not?

>>58144785
Does that make Meowscarada a pocket pussy?

>>58144786
>I'm too stupid to understand the magical-like creatures have magical-like powers, they aren't meant to be able to use Surf anytime in canon!

>>58144898
>whenever you see some stupid nonsense then a wizard did it

>>58144779
The point is that there is no point getting hung up on where the mass of a Pokémon goes when it goes into a Poké Ball. The series is filled with things that make zero sense under scientific scrutiny so if the franchise isn't concerned with making sense of it neither should you.

>>58145638
>whenever you see some literal fantasy magic-like power then it's dumb because everything must be scientifically accurate even when the setting says otherwise

the only people seething over this reveal are the borty coolfags who NEED pokemon to be le epin sci-fi xenobiology instead of what pokemon actually is which is a magical tale for all ages full of silliness, whimsy and wonder

>>58144748
Don't forget concentrated beams of energy that can rip the planet in half merely making a pokemon faint

>>58147854
>woah they canonically shrink into pocket sized creatures as her name implies and has been that way since 1996, I will better mask my ignorance by denying the fact and calling it stupid!
Thanks for posting a picture of yourself but nobody wants to see your mug.

>>58147854
>pokemon shrink and hide in the grass when weak
>pokeballs were designed to capitalize on this
This is what the game tells you, how else are you suppose to interpret it?

>>58147871
He's mad the mix of his headcanon and non-canon adaptations isn't exactly compatible with the actual canon.

>>58144722
Doesn't that make the balls fantastic devices though? Humans made those, even Kurt makes them literally out of something that grows on trees

>>58144558 (OP)
I don’t think any pokemon would have balls, because they all hatch from eggs (regardless of many pokemon having mammalian anatomy)

>>58147891
Why the fuck would they be? The ones doing the fantastic stuff are the pokemon

>>58147891
They are, but only because they've discovered the exact science that triggers the shrinking phenomenon on-demand.

>>58147906
>X is true so Y must be false

>>58147916
Yeah that makes sense then. I hadn't seen the thing about them shrinking for healing when I made my post. But yeah they are both amazing I guess

>>58147981
Anon the shrinking lore literally says a glasses case works too. Pokeballs are just hollow balls that open and close conveniently, but anything that makes mons feel safe works.

>>58147994
Nothing in this thread says that. It just says pokeballs make them feel safe. You don't feel safe in a coffin do you? Why would Pokémon feel safe in what is essentially that? They feel safe in pokeballs so that is amazing in the fact that humans were able to make something that the mons feel safe in that doesn't just occur in nature

>>58147994
>Pokeballs are just hollow balls that open and close conveniently
You can also conduct some sort of energy through them that revitalizes the heals the Pokemon inside in mere moments. So obviously there is technology involved.

>>58148027
>Nothing in this thread says that
Put your reading glasses on, Nishinomori >>58147867
Pokemon, unlike humans, have the instinct to shrink to avoid damage when they are in danger. A comfy hollow capsule is instinctively a good place for them to hide and feel safe, that's what pokeballs are.
Reminder even a literal kid can craft a pokeball with rocks and a fruit, the only thing pokemon want is some small space to feel safe, no magi-tech needed.

>>58148109
>trying to pass pokemon center machines' healing capacities as a pokeball thing
lmao

>>58145804
>unova out of nowhere
Rent free

>>58147902
Actually, there are argument to be have...pokemon don't hatch from eggs.

I remember an anon posted something interesting which the "egg" act as pokeball until the pokemon is ready.
Like this anon said...>>58147994

>>58148328
Yeah that too, the eggs where pokemon hatch from aren't eggs in the traditional sense, but capsules their parents do for them until they are ready to function normally

>>58147854
Any alternative is just as or even more stupid

So when a male pokemon busts a nut, its not sperm cells but actually tiny homunculi pokemon, like the medieval understanding of reproduction?

>>58144558 (OP)
>They shrink after being dam-ACK ACK ACK
Don't listen to pseudo science professors

>>58148379
I'm still busting inside lopunny

>>58148379
Forgot pic

>>58148360
The way pokemon eggs are made out of soil and vines and shit makes me think of Celebi's dex entry, too. Since Celebi leaves an egg when it leaves an era and nobody has ever seen a pokemon lay an egg except for the Arceus event, is the normal egg laying of pokemon just Celebi appearing in the right place at the right moment and creating a natural pokeball out of "mud and plant fiber" for a baby pokemon to stay safe until it's old enough to live on its own?

>>58148385
By shrinking lore, a male lopunny could bust tiny lopunnys into your butt which would be cradled by your rectum until they were ready to spring forth

>>58148381
You literally see them shrinking after fainting in that same game (all games actually) but sure a pokemon being tired and in need of a sandwich means the phenomenon isn't real

>>58148402
Also that game's climax literally has that same pokemon refusing to leave its pokeball until a big emotional moment where its relationship with you gives it the strength to overcome a massive trauma. If shrinking was a pokeball think you could just make pokemon return to their normal size against their will since you are in control of the device that keeps them pocket sized, but canonically pokemon choose if they want to be in a pokeball or not, either by conscious decision (pokemon that join you directly like Latias/Latios in ORAS) or by instinct (pokemon that are wild until caught by a pokeball).

>>58148461
And the "sequel" plot of the game (Indigo Disk) shows another legendary pokemon in the wild who is automatically caught by a Master Ball (shrink instinct) and five minutes later decides by its own volition (conscious decision) he doesn't want it and just destroys the ball.
Pokeball have never been the magic-like pokemon taming technology some people think they are, trainers don't force their pokemon to stay or leave their balls

I like shrinking pokemon. The transparent pokeballs from the manga are cool

>>58148402
>Literally faints unconscious
>Shrinking theory is real guys, he just needed a sandwich
THEORY for a reason lmao stay mad

Shrinking is canon

they get converted to pure energy like the Morph Ball from Metroid and then get stored in a simulated environment most pleasing to the pokemon as they're inside of the pokeball, and some shit skin from the 1800s will never convince me otherwise
this is just the ramblings of a man that has no running water or plumbing, and most likely smells like doo doo feces

>>58150833
>a ball made of rocks and twigs holds that kind of advanced technology
Kek

>>58150852
it's magic nigga, I ain't gotta explain shit

>>58150888
>a wizard did it

>>58150897
yes.

>>58150900
That's literally how it happens in-lore, yet here you fags scream, cry and reject reality for one of your own choosing, that's basically the same crux reason (it's magic).
Sorry the telly show was wrong, but rule of thumb. Utterly free offerings generally ARE wrong compared to paying entry price (that's why phoneniggers are always going to be phoneniggers, when they could just buy a laptop or desktop that does what they're doing with the phonio better).

>>58149121
>one modern, single, specific pokeball, acts as medicaid pack for pokemon that go there
>therefore pokeballs in general are magi-tech even when a hollowed fruit with rocks is considered a pokeball too

We need a bell curve meme where the midwit is saying >>58150833 and the upper and lower tails are saying "pokemon shrink down to fit inside the ball"

>>58144558 (OP)
Is this the same faggot from /tg/ who posted a thread about the conservation of mass with polymorph?
Kill yourself, midwit.

>>58151258
Kek, perfect

So how do the people saying that the Pokémon literally physically shrink down for Poké Balls, explain the Pokémon Box systems in the games?

>>58152883
That's a completely different thing you fucking retard, pokeball are order than the PC system created by some young nerd in the 90s

>>58152883
The PC converts pokemon into data

>>58152883
Ahem, article of Pokemon Daisuki Club about science of the pokemon world
>https://www.pokemon.jp/special/moyadoga/guide/science.html
In regards of the pokeballs it mentions Nishinomori, the guy who got his Primeape shrink into his glasses case, as seen here >>58147867
>ポケモントレーナーにとって、もっとも欠かせないどうぐ「モンスターボール」。タマムシ大学のニシノモリ教授の研究成果を元に発明されたモンスターボールは、ポケモンをつかまえるときやポケモンを収納するときに使うどうぐです。
Then, later, the PC communication section says
>科学技術によりポケモンが入ったモンスターボールやどうぐを一時的に電子化して管理することができるようになりました。この「ポケモン預かりシステム」を開発したのは、ハナダシティのこうがいに住む、有名なポケモンマニアのマサキです。
Which refers to pokeball containing pokeball and "other stuff" being convered into digital data NOW, thanks to Bill's invention.

As per the first gen, Bill recently created a technology that lets you transform physical mail, potions and even pokeballs containing pokemon into data. Nothing ever indicates any of this has something to do with the way pokeball, which are a much older invention, work.

>>58153028
>>58147867
Digibros what now? Do we just kill ourselves???

>>58144558 (OP)
Pokemon don't turn into data, they just shrink.
You may be thinking
>Okay, smartass, but then how do you trade them through link cables, which are stated to be canon in-world objects?
It's simple, really. You attach the link cables to your Gameboy and your friend's, and then the Pokemon shrinks down and crawls through the cable to go into the other Gameboy.
See picrel.
>Okay, but then how do Pokemon get stored in the PC?
They don't get stored IN the PC. They shrink down and crawl through the ethernet cable, and then come out at some other location.
Since it's Bill's PC, I assume Bill keeps everyone's Pokemon in the secret garden behind his house.

>>58147994
>>58148027
>>58148125
I assume that apricorns have some kind of special effect on Pokemon.
Maybe some kind of compound that cranks its innate shrinking instinct into overdrive.
And then the ball itself is just there as a place for the Pokemon to go when they shrink.
So it's not JUST a hollow capsule, otherwise you could catch Pokemon in basically anything.

shrinkfags keep recycling the same long debunked japanese text that states pokemon curl up to go inside pokeballs yet I have never seen a pokemon curl up to go inside a pokeball

>>58153590
exactly, they're not curled up, thanks for agreeing

>>58153625
Never said they were curled up, bitch faggot.

>>58153590
Manga. Not even made by GameFreak.

>>58153644
yes you did >>58147867

>>58153657
Not me. Also its besides the point. Pokemon shrink to fit inside the balls. Are you completely retarded?

>>58153683
>Not me
doubtful. and don't bother screenshotting because any indian monkey can use inspect element
>Pokemon shrink to fit inside the balls
your only sources of this happening in the games all mention curling up which never actually happens which means those sources are mistaken (as would be the case with Laventon, who's an idiot pseudo-scientist from before germ theory) or have since been retconned.

>>58153691
There truly is no limit to the pedantry and autism on this board.

>>58153476
You CAN catch pokemon in basically anything comfortable for them, retard, like a glasses case

>>58153691
Uh oh shitstain, what will your next cope be?

>>58153515
>frogposter
>is retarded
Every time. It never fails. Never.

>>58152883
Retard. Both catching pokemon and pokeballs existed a LONG time before PCs did. And the pokeballs are made out of random crap from trees and rocks.

>>58153735
Professor Nishinomori's gave his Primeape the wrong dosage of medicine and triggered its innate shrinking instincts.
You can't just go around shoving Pokemon into glasses cases. Something needs to actually cause them to shrink (whether it be normal danger or chemicals), and THEN you can put them in any container.

>>58153894
Wow you are right if only there was a whole mechanic about how you need pokemon to be injured or suffer some kind of abnormal status affecting their health to make them more susceptible to shrink into your capsules, with each species of pokemon being more or less prone to it based mostly on how strong and therefore independient they are, resulting into weaker pokemon being more likely to shrink into the capsule and stronger, more healthy pokemon not feeling unsafe enough to shrink into them...
Sadly such a mechanic has never been implemented into the franchise so naturaly it must be entirely dependant on the fruit you hollow for the capsule

Summary of this thread
>in 1996 GF released a book explaining pokemon like to shrink into small spaces and pokeball are used to take advantage of that
>in 1999 GF made a game where a man with chisel, hammer and fruit is all technology you need to make pokeball
>in 2008 GF included the shrinking thing in another one of their games
>in 2016 GF referenced the book's original story again in the official Pokemon fan club website
>in 2022 GF made another game that not only says pokemon fucking shrink (again) but is set 150 years ago, before shrinking-beam human technology is even worth to consider as a possibility

>in 2025 some retards still think their feelings and prefered non-canon media are enough to discredit the previous points

>>58153960
You don't need them to be injured.
Perfectly healthy Pokemon can still be caught.
In fact, for that matter, perfectly healthy Pokemon always shrink. They break out, but they do momentarily shrink.
Does Mewtwo, a legendary genetically-engineered killing machine, feel unsafe when it sees a 10 year old throw a perfectly ordinary ball with no shrinking-encouraging properties at it?

>>58148461
>where its relationship with you gives it the strength to overcome a massive trauma
And sandwiches
And also the fact that the professor locked every pokeball without his OT and trainer id