Thread 58153172

>B..b..but Pokemon was always easy

or

>Gamefreak needed to make Pokemon easier and less linear because dumb Japanese kids got lost in Sinnoh or something

Can you shills just pick a lane already?

you can avoid the battle with that hiker. he's not particularly tough either. and union cave isn't even demanding to get through

someone that didn't play gen 2 made that meme

there is a pokecenter at the entrance to the cave lmfao
clearly made by someone who didnt even play the fucking game

>>58153172 (OP)
Stop rawdogging the dungeons and buy more potions

>>58153172 (OP)
>limping and barely breathing
In what world? It’s just geodude users and one guy with a koffing. Even quilava melts geodude with ember at this point, because they’re so low leveled and have poor special defense. Same for the one koffing if you’re running bayleef. Every starter clears this shitty cave just through stab spam.

Oldfag pokemon fans are as delusional as they come. “Brutal dungeon/boss” and they’ll post some shit I cleared at age 6 clicking the strongest attack while I barely cared about what I was reading.

>>58153254
Never

>>58153181
yeah, the only cave I can recall being a struggle to get through is Rock Tunnel, especially if you skip Flash. As for routes, 119 was particularly difficult. A lot of other difficult caves are just get to the end then you're warped out, usually for climaxes

>>58153172 (OP)
Pokemon was always easy, but Gamefreak made it even easier.

Johto's one of the easiest regions frankly
Until later Kanto anyway since the levels suddenly remember they're supposed to progress but in the meantime all the wild pokemon are like level 10

>>58153172 (OP)
This happens in gen 1 after rock tunnel too

>>58153172 (OP)
Totodile

"this asshole" has like one geodude

>>58154600
And a Machop.

>>58153172 (OP)
>this asshole xists to beat you down
It's a fucking Hiker. He has a full team of Onix. Magikarp used Splash bada bing bada boom onto the next area.

>>58153200
so you still have to go back through the cave. it's a small cave to get through, but if it's your first time playing or haven't played in 25 years you might roam around the cave the first time through and check the room down the ladder instead of beelining it right for the exit. I could see that hitchhiker taking someone out in that situation. It's a minor inconvenience but it's still different than getting healed constantly throughout the cave or getting healed as soon as you get out. do minor inconveniences make a game better? it depends, they could make the game more memorable, some don't care and basically want to watch a movie so they don't want to redo shit they already did. obviously it's not going to be hard on a replay or if you played like most kids who used nothing but their starter 24/7 to steamroll even on the first playthrough. the games were still easy as fuck back then so there was no reason to make them easier in my opinion because it makes them even more boring and forgettable, especially if you already played the games before the newer ones.

>>58154626
>Magikarp used Splash
please be a troll.

>>58154643
>checking out the left of viridian when you still only have one pokemon

>>58154643
>>58154662

>>58154662
no other gen has as many traps as kanto

>>58154654
You know what I mean. Rock/ground trainer battles are so pathetic in this game you could have Meowth squirt non-STAB water at them and they die in 1-2 hits, and usually their best move is Tackle.

>>58153172 (OP)
That npc in particular is the hardest spinner to avoid

>>58154681
Meowth's only water moves in that game are Bubblebeam and Water Gun, both of which are exclusive to Gen 1 TMs

>>58154746
Both of which you can get pretty easily and you should have both by that point in the game.

>>58153172 (OP)
gen 7 is definitely harder than a baby bitch underleveled region like johturd. there's just too many cutscenes and handholding

>>58153172 (OP)
Casual reminder that Brock legitimately hardwalled a bunch of kids who chose Charmander to to the point where FireRed had to give it Metal Claw and caused a number of kids to ragequit Yellow because Pikachu didn't have the cheat ability it did in the anime.

>>58154753
>Just transfer a Pokemon from Gen 1 to Gen 2. Oh wait that feature isn't unlocked until Ecruteak

>>58154626
dude has a geodude and a machop.
>anon has never played gen 2

>>58154784
>>58154795
I thought this was the Red DX rock tunnel. Alright fine but the original point still stands, hikers are weak as fuck and any water or grass move will instakill or almost instakill if the mon is especially weak.

>>58153172 (OP)
Pokemon was always easy, and just got easier as the games went on, starting with Gen 3 with the VS Seeker allowing infinite grinding with higher level pokemon.

Silver in gen 2 was the worst for this. He jumpscares you with sudden battles in ekruteak and at the end of victory road and sometimes randomly for no reason when youre about the enter the elite 4 rooms

>>58153181
>t-t-they didn't play Gen 2!
>*screenshot of Gen 2 gameplay with specific details about Gen 2*

>>58154643
>>58154662
Yeah most of Blue's encounters are like this;
> S.S. Anne
Last trainer you face before getting HM01, unless the player knows the encounter's going to happen beforehand it's entirely plausible they've battled quite a few trainers without healing beforehand.
> Silph HQ
Same as S.S. Anne alhthough you do get pre-warning of his presence while exploring so he doesn't completely blindside you. Also the healing location in Silph HQ is very close to where you fight Blue so you probably have healed at that point.

Admittedly the Lavender Tower and 2nd Route 22 encounter aren't nearly as bad since the former is the first encounter of the dungeon rather than being the last like in the S.S. Anne and since Route 22 itself no longer poses any threat to the player they're probably gonna face Blue with a fully healthy team. I do appreciate that they're happy to use the rival as both the boss and mini-boss of a dungeon from time to time like with Silver during the Goldenrod Raid & Wally in Victory Road.

>>58154758
Alola is the baby bitch region its not even remotely hard its the turd faggot go stick your head into a fucking blender

>>58154769
don't you literally have 0 options that aren't weak to rock/hit for not very effective if you choose charmander?
that's not difficulty

>>58154932
Nah, in Gen I Brock doesn't have any Rock-Type moves on his Pokemon so he can't hit anything for Super Effective. In RB you can get Butterfree with Confusion at Level 12 for neutral damage and in Yellow you can get NidoranM with Double Kick at Level 12 or Mankey with Low Kick at Level 9. Butterfree is still probably the best option since you're hitting Geodude and Onix's abysmal Special stat instead of a Base 100 (Geodude) and 160 (Onix) Defence stat.

>>58153200
It's interesting because that Pokémon Center is a leftover remnant of a cut town that was supposed to be there. I suppose they figured it was unnecessary to do one between Violet and Azalea, but felt that Route 32 + Union Cave might be too much that early in the game. It's not that different to how Kanto has a Pokémon Center on Route 3 right before Mt. Moon, or one right before Rock Tunnel. That being said, Johto by this point would have proven to have far more going on than Kanto did at the same point.
>Introduces far more Pokémon
>Already has version-exclusives
>Catching tutorial is skippable
>Having the type advantage to the first Gym Leader involves an in-game trade
>The Gym Leader has Pokémon that use moves that are super-effective against one of the starters
>Optional cave that can't be traversed without HMs and has a super rare Pokémon
>Held items
>Day and night Pokémon
>Optional dungeon
>While extremely unlikely, friendship as a mechanic is possible to use this early to get Crobat
>Also possible though very unlikely to get a shiny Pokémon
>Optional side area Ruins of Alph with subquest and puzzles
>Side route with roadblock Sudowoodo
>Route 29 design is more complex than Route 1 and even has a branching path to an alternate route with Geodude
>Possible to get phone numbers by this point too
Among other things, like just about everything introduced by this point in Gen I

>>58153172 (OP)
Gen 7 is harder than "early gen pokemon games".

>>58153172 (OP)
Pokemon IS an easy RPG series, but they can still have moments that can offer more challenge than other moments. Especially in the first few gens, when they were still trying to follow the 90s RPG design choices.

>>58154915
>Alola is the only region where even generic trainers have EV trained Pokemon
>Johto's such a sissy fag bitch region, even the fucking NPCs mention how boring it is and low the levels are
KEK

I haven't played a full pokemon game since maybe sword and shield and i dropped it at the fairy gym. What game should I play to see if I can still enjoy pokemon. I was thinking Black and White or Sun and Moon, Platinum was another choice I was thinking about. Also a rom hack or vanilla?

>>58154904
you didn't play it either, evidently

>>58155286
Gen I, II, III, or IV game
Vanilla
Preferably not a remake, maybe even do a base version instead of a third version so you can look at what that generation WAS at its core, what Pokémon is in those games.

>>58155286
just start with leafgreen and work urself up

>>58154932
how is it "difficulty" if you can just go catch a pokemon that isn't weak to rock/hit very effective to Brock? what's the difference?

>>58155094
johto's my least favorite 2d region and alola's my least favorite 3d region. they're both boring as fuck.

>>58154769
Those kids had to be 4-years-old and not know how to read and not know what "save" meant. You'd think even if they had to keep restarting they'd pick Squirtle at least once. I'm pretty sure the only way to get stuck at Brock is to be 3-years-old and also be severely mentally challenged. Even if you pick Charmander how can you actually get stuck at Brock? If you keep playing you'll eventually level enough to beat him no matter what. Even if you have no idea what you're doing and can't read. There's no way you just walk around and run from every wild encounter for very long. Maybe it would take a few days if you're a kid that isn't allowed to bring your Game Boy to preschool and can't read. I remember reading some shit that said one of the pokemon devs wanted to make the game easier because he heard about some kid who was level 99 in the first patch of grass and didn't know where to go. Like what the fuck? They never went in the poke mart one fuckin time and just stayed in the first patch of grass? Why the fuck did their parents let them play that much and they didn't look at what they were doing at all? That had to be the only kid in the world who was that retarded and fucked up. Kids are dumb but holy shit, that's completely non-sentient and hopeless. Plus he obviously like the game enough to keep playing enough to level to 99 in the first patch of fucking grass. That's a fuckload of play time. Doesn't mean that now you have to make the games playable for the biggest retard in the fucking world.

>>58155714
Like why didn't his parents teach him to fucking read in all of that time? Do you know how fucking long it would take to level to 99 on lv 2-3 pidgeys and rattattas? They just watched him play the game boy for 9001 hours. If they ever even looked at the screen at all they would have seen him killing the same rat and pigeon over and over again still after a billion hours. His parents were retarded too. He was already fucked. Guess that means you have to make the games shit. At least make Pokemon Retard version and another version for people who aren't extremely disabled.

How did the kid even manage to get out of the house at the beginning of the game

>>58155303
The Gen 2 NPCs can turn around ridiculously fast. You would know if you'd played the game rather than just seething about Johto 24/7.

>>58155714
>>58155739
Are you implying you never once followed a stupid line of logic as a child? You have to remember that Pokemon was legitimately a lot of peoples first exposure to RPGs since the others at the time were either trying to be digital version of tabletops or going through super experimental systems.

>>58155068
This is factual, but oldfags will cry about it because they weren’t retarded illiterate children anymore by the time Gen 7 came out.

>>58155286
Play these, in order
>Red/Blue
>Crystal
>Emerald
>Platinum
>BW
>BW2
>X/Y
>US/UM
Don’t bother with remakes like FRLG or HGSS unless you really want to.

>Old pokemon games give you advantage with badge boosts and stat exp/evs being basically exclusive to you
>New pokemon games have affection bonuses that give you extra crits and dodges
What is the better cheating system?

>>58156553
I'm saying that, even when I'm trying to think of my perspective as a kid from what I remember, and even though I know kids don't know anything, I still don't see how the fuck something like that is even possible unless you're really retarded. You would definitely try some other shit eventually. Or they just fucking loved killing pidgeys and rattatas so much that it never got old. In that case, you don't have to change the game and make it easier because it's evidentally so much fun already that a kid will grind in the first patch of grass until level 99. Regarding getting hardstuck at Brock, even if you had to grind as far as level 20 in the grass and only had Charmander and couldn't figure out how to catch other pokemon, it wouldn't take that long to do. So I don't believe that actually happened to that many people unless they were really retarded and if they're that retarded then they're just fucked in life anyway and will fuck up anything they try to do. But this made them think they had to make the game for a few of the most retarded of retards.

>>58156576
HGSS is better than Crystal doe

>>58153172 (OP)
If you came limping and barely hanging on from that cave you are genuinely retarded

>>58154904
what if I told you anyone can google a screenshot of one of the most popular video games of all time

>>58153172 (OP)
Pokemon was always easy, but older gens would at least put up some token resistance. This Hiker is a good example, even if the guy writing the caption is exaggerating. Both of his Pokemon have hard-hitting moves for that point in the game (Rock Throw and Low Kick, both 50 BP before STAB) and high Base Attack, so he could certainly finish off a player whose team was weakened from Union Cave. Newer generations are way more generous with the free heals, and any gauntlets the player faces will be way shorter if they're present at all.

>>58153172 (OP)
I love how of all the gens they choose to bitch about difficulty they pick the one that's actually hard

>>58156865
>You would definitely try some other shit eventually. Or they just fucking loved killing pidgeys and rattatas so much that it never got old.
maybe not the same thing but i remember having a feraligatr before whitney because i thought if you fucked up the ilex forest farfetchd puzzle you were just permanently locked out of game progression so i put it off for the longest time

>>58157919
7 WORDS

>>58157919
>those
>graphics

ohh man.

>>58157941
Wut

>>58153172 (OP)
I choose option 3, Pokémon is easy but kids became so retarded they had to dumb down/nerf the game anyway.

>>58157941
The stupidest thing I remember thinking was
>gen 1
>if you lost to the elite 4 you had to start the entire game all over
My friend's older brother told me this, but I think either I misunderstood him or he misunderstood the npc in the Pokemon League pokemon center who tells you "if you lose, you have to start all over!" but he meant you just have to redo the Elite 4 battles, not the entire game. All it did was make the Elite 4 battle incredibly intense, made me prepare my team as much as I could before entering, and made me remember the moment forever because when me and Gary were down to our final pokemon in the last battle, I ended up beating him with my Blastoise using struggle after running out of pp with low health, all the time thinking if I lost I had to start the whole game over. It felt like such an amazing moment, actually I just had an idea to do a run where if I lose in the elite 4 I have to delete my save and start over. Sounds like it could be fun.

Masuda has 25 iq maximum

>>58159749
Elden Ring sold more than Pokémon SV and also sold 2x as much as pokemon XY and fromsoft didn't have to sell their soul and make it beyond fucktarded slop.

>>58153172 (OP)
Pokemon was always easy IF you knew what you were doing, an skill the games were never particularly eager about teaching you (Champions is the first instance in the franchise when they differentiate x2 weakness from x4)

>>58159764
>Elden Ring
>Not slop
While Elden Ring is more difficult than Pokemon games, it absolutely is casualized slop compared to earlier Fromsoft games, I literally has a mechanic to play the game for you in the form of Spirit Ashes.

>>58160339
It's still really hard for the average person and that only made it more popular

>>58154758
>gen 7 is definitely harder
>too many cutscenes and handholding
>cutscenes
>handholding
>"harder"

>>58157559
It actually depends on the device.
Mobile google shows you significantly less image results than desktop google, and 90% of internet users are phonetards by this point in time.
Entirely possible that if you search "the hiker after union cave" all you'll get is images from the bulbapedo page about hikers, some AI generated crap, and maybe some unrelated fanart.

>>58159703
Unfathomably this.
90s kids could figure out red/blue without being able to read. 00s kids got lost in the sinnoh mountain. 10s kids can barely handle games with forced EXP share and moves that flat out tell you their effectiveness.
It's not just Pokemon facing this problem. Hell it's not just long-running franchises either. New IP that comes out now is more retarded and dumbed down than new IP of yesterdecade.

>>58153172 (OP)
>>58159703
Pokemon was never difficult, the actual difference is that it wasnt holding your hand in the early gens so you had to use your head to actually figure out how to do things. Newer gens holding your hand so much with scripted battles, mechanics to save your ass (it hang on because friendship), Exp. All turned on all the time. Newer gens arent just easier, they're made in such a way that it is impossible to fail even if you make wrong decisions on purpose which i think is more infuriating than simply having easier battles.

>>58157919
>LZA is all city because actual grass and terrain STILL looks like SV-tier dogshit
Gen 10 is looking grim.

My dumbass 6 year old self managed to beat blue with only damage dealing moves, it’s never been difficult. Instead what we’ve had is 30 years of QoL updates which make it appear easier.