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Anonymous No.58178082 >>58178185 >>58178214 >>58178538 >>58178632
>it's a flying bug
>ground dragon type
Anonymous No.58178185
>>58178082 (OP)
why did they not make it bug/dragon?
Garchomp made it completely irrelevant literally one gen later.
Such a fuck up
Anonymous No.58178212
It's a DRAGONfly, dummy.
Anonymous No.58178214 >>58178238
>>58178082 (OP)
>"GROUND/DRAGON MAKES TOTAL SENSE!!! IT'S NOT EVEN BASED ON A BUG!!! THE WORD "DRAGONFLY" DOES NOT TRANSLATE TO JAPANESE!!! BUG/DRAGON WOULD BE DUMB ANYWAY!!!"
Anonymous No.58178238 >>58178618
>>58178214
>THE WORD "DRAGONFLY" DOES NOT TRANSLATE TO JAPANESE
The fuck do I care? I speak English
Anonymous No.58178334 >>58178405
Guys guys guys what if Flygon was a worse pokemon in every way to appease my autism
Anonymous No.58178405 >>58178417 >>58178646
>>58178334
It never had a chance in Gen 3 against Salamence and Swampert, and it definitely never had a chance in later gens against Garchomp.
Giving it Bug at least makes it a Psychic/Dark killer, which is abundant in Gen 3.
Anonymous No.58178417
>>58178405
Garchomp proved that the typing isn't Flygon's problem. Ground/dragon was an elite typing. The problem lies in stat distribution/ability/move pool. Flygon isn't going to suddenly become good when it's one in a billion bug types.
Anonymous No.58178505 >>58178538
Flygon is OU in RS
Flygon is OU in DP
Flygon was UU in BW
Flygon only fell off in gen 6
The problem isn't anything inherent to Flygon, it's power creep. You just want to change Flygon to be a worse pokemon to appeal to your autism
Anonymous No.58178538 >>58179611 >>58179821
>>58178082 (OP)
We know from the leaks that it originally was Bug/Dragon. Why they changed it later we don't know.
>>58178505
Flygon was a mid Pokemon even in gen 3 OU (C rank on the VR, mostly outclasses by Swampert) and the only reason it's OU at all in gen 4 is Garchomp being banned.
Anonymous No.58178618 >>58178662 >>58178807
>>58178238
Pokemon is a nips company, so the designs are based around nips language, you retarded fat burger cunt.
Same reason why "golduck" isnt gold and "psyduck" isnt psychic, and their names are not "swapped".
Anonymous No.58178632
>>58178082 (OP)
You're a retard, Flygon's typing is good as is. I'd rather have a new Bug/Dragon mon instead
Anonymous No.58178646 >>58179435
>>58178405
>It never had a chance in Gen 3 against Salamence and Swampert
Meanwhile there are Pokemon that never had a chance even in a playthrough like Bastiodon. The Flygon drama is only due to entitled retards wanting it to have a mega evolution because "WAAAAHHHH MUH FLYGONRINO GOT LE REPLACED BY GARCHOMP WAAAAHHHH".
Anonymous No.58178662
>>58178618
It was literally Bug/Dragon in the leaks and instead of Trapinch Vibrava originally evolved from a dragonfly nymph. It was absolutely designed with the English dragonfly pun in mind but please keep seething about America.
>Same reason why "golduck" isnt gold
Golduck is also its Japanese name retard, and yes it literally means Gold Duck in Japanese too. No the names weren't swapped and it's named that because gold associated with psychic powers but it's still stupid that Gold Duck isn't gold (and it's not even a Psychic type either).
Anonymous No.58178807
>>58178618

>Pokemon is a nips company, so the designs are based around nips language

I don't care. It's a dragonfly in English so to me it's a dragonfly.
Anonymous No.58179435 >>58179676
>>58178646
Can we stop this meme already, is no such thing as „too bad to use in a playthrough”, people did solo Bidoof runs before. If you can’t win with a Bastiodon maybe the issue is on your side.
Anonymous No.58179611 >>58179657
>>58178538
>Bug/Dragon
Let's be real, even though it's a great typing, back then it was probably a low tier typing because of bug. They did the same thing to Lugia, intended to be water flying, became psychic flying to be stronger in the game.
Anonymous No.58179657 >>58179808
>>58179611
>back then it was probably a low tier typing because of bug
Bug/Dragon (so long as it gets an actual Bug attack to use) would've been solid in Gen 3 and probably even better than it is now. A lot of things (including Flygon itself) actually run HP Bug in gen 3 just because it's great coverage to hit Celebi and Claydol who otherwise shut down a lot of physical attackers.

Of course it would've become shit tier in gen 4 immediately with the existence of Stealth Rocks but at least it'd have one gen where it was good and while it'd still be a low tier in current gen with boots it'd at least have a more unique role with STAB First Impression and U-Turn.
Anonymous No.58179676
>>58179435
You genocided all of your brain cells by huffing glue.
Anonymous No.58179808 >>58179865
>>58179657
You don't understand, anon. They didn't think about that. The knowledge that GF employees extends to Pokemon balance is minimal and they rarely look back.
Grapploct is in the same field where it should be water fighting, but it's pure fighting. They made Tinkaton the Corviknight predator because of the move smack down, but gave it no good attacks against it.
Electric typing was also going to be super effective against steel types but that got shafted for some reason.
They probably saw that ground was a top tier type and bug was just a meme ass type and gave Flygon ground for STAB earthquakes.
Look at all the bug types in Gen 3. They had NO moves. In fact, a lot of the moves they did have were normal or ground. Flygon was probably ground type as a bug+ type.
The only two moves bugs had were Megahorn and Silverwind, Megahorn for Heracross, Silver wind for the butterflies. Everyone else, Flygon included, got fury cutter, and that was in Emerald. Some tester probably saw the moveset, sand tomb, dragon breath, Crunch and Rock tomb and gave a memo that Ground typing would be more formidable and fitting. Him and every other bug had bug move pools so shallow, that they had to give a fury cutter tutor in Emerald as the only bug move widely available. All the bugs had non bug type moves. Flygon being ground dragon at the time was probably their way of making him the apex bug pokemon. In fact, bugs resist ground moves, and Flygon is immune to them with levitate. Does it make sense now?
Anonymous No.58179821 >>58179855 >>58179865
>>58178538
>We know from the leaks that it originally was Bug/Dragon
No, it was Bug/Flying. It was also a 3 stage dragonfly mon that evolved from a nymph initially, until one of the developers made a note asking it to evolve from the then-unrelated Trapinch to recast it as an antlion.
Anonymous No.58179855 >>58179870
>>58179821
They basically never once considered Bug/Dragon for Flygon. A build or two later and it went from a Bug/Flying dragonfly to a Ground/Dragon antlion.
Anonymous No.58179865
>>58179808
You're right about Bug having no moves but there would've been nothing stopping them from just adding a new Bug move for Flygon like they did for Heracross (or even just giving it Megahorn itself, it does have horns) if that was the problem. My best guess is they designed the desert area and thought Flygon would fit better there as a Ground type "Spirit of the Desert".
>>58179821
https://tcrf.net/Development:Pok%C3%A9mon_Ruby_and_Sapphire/Sprites
It was literally Bug/Dragon anon. And that was after Trapinch (who was at this point a mono bug type) replaced the original nymph baby.
We can see here
https://tcrf.net/Development:Pok%C3%A9mon_Ruby_and_Sapphire/Early_Pokemon_List
which is from a month after the spritesheet that Flygon is now listed as a Dragon/Ground sand encounter. So I think that yeah, they decided they wanted it to be the desert Pokemon and retyped it to fit better there.
Anonymous No.58179870
>>58179855
Just flat out wrong.