Thread 58197104

Fried Karp edition

/padt/ is completely dominated by Horizons chat. Talk about the 1,339 original series episodes and associated 23 movies here without butting into and disrupting the discussion of Horizons.

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>>58197104 (OP)
>Needing a seperate discussion outside of the POKEMON ANIME thread for another POKEMON ANIME
Jesus Christ what is wrong with you freaks, did you forgot how to follow the reply chain or is the ability to see multiple conversations too much for you?

>>58196868
Despite the safe space in the OP this isn't your XY hugbox. Ash fucking sucked in SM too but XY was where he started to be dogshit. Pre-damage control BW was awful but Ash there sure as hell had alot more popularity than his Goku wannabe-ass in XY. Pretending like it was some more mature version of Ash is retarded because we saw what that actually looks like in the miniseries. Actual victim complex jesus fucking christ.
Also not every SoL is fucking Seitokai or YuruCamp, SM was absolutely an episodic SoL anime, just aimed at kodomo rather than your usual seasonal SoL shooting for BD sales.

>>58197118
>popularity
Personality, rather

>>58197118
>kodomo
This is why SM and Johto sucked. XY was absolutely the correct direction for the series to go and they fucked it because they were afraid of what the stockholders or the phone kids would think if Ash became champion with Greninja instead of a GF-approved shillmon like PIKACHU or CHARIZARD.

>>58197147
No, they fucked it because they were scared of Yokai Watch. PM23 is way more akin to XY than to SM or PM19, so it seems they finally got the clue.

>>58197118
>>58197129
>Unironically saying BW Ash was more popular than XY Ash
>Unironically saying BW Ash had an actual personality
You actually wrote that.
Have some shame, man.
>than his Goku wannabe-ass in XY
And the parrot keeps parroting.
You aren't convincing anyone. You can't even help yourself despite pretending otherwise, as you go right into defending SM.
Shameless. Dislike XY if you must, but own your shit instead of this wannabe bullshit.

>>58197147
this fag chose bulbasaur lmao

>>58197147
Were you under the impression that the rest of Pokemon wasn't a kodomo anime?

>>58197165
Every season besides Johto and up to XY was shonen. Ash is written to be a shonen protagonist, not like Nobita or Shin-chan or whatever they make for Japanese preschoolers.

>>58197162
Personality, the popularity was a mistype. Fucking obviously BW Ash wasn't popular he was the most hated Ash in history.
And yes, Ash in XY was absolutely a bland as hell fightsexual retard. SM did many things right, but Ash was one of the things it did poorly, and the League for SM was worse than in XY because it was the kiddie pool of Leagues. Are you just allergic to seeing the positives in anything that isn't XY? How can you possibly claim Ash was a good character in XY, the retard was getting romanced by another main character and had reaction to her advances whatsoever.
Unlike SM Ash isn't the worst part of XY because the series was designed around him being this type of character, but that doesn't make him good.

>>58197178
Then you just plain do not know what kodomo anime is. If you think having battles and a heated-up protagonist somehow makes a series not made for little kiddies then please look at the actual demographics for the Pokemon anime.
Hint, it's not the kids watching Jujutsu Kaisen.

>>58197104 (OP)
Real curious, does anyone have any comparisons between the way that the Hoenn cast normally looks in the anime (digital colors) vs. the palettes they have in the first two movies (both cel-animated, IIRC)?

>>58197188
XY Ash is a perfectly natural continuation of DP Ash.

>>58197104 (OP)
Is there a real need for a daily thread?

>>58197201
DP Ash is more argumentative, bratty, and isn't positive about everything 99% of the time. One of the reasons people like the original series is because Ash is a fun character, and that continued all the way until XY where they rounded out all of his edges until he basically isn't opinionated about anything that ever happens. There's like one episode where he actually gets upset which is when he splits up with his frog and that's about it.

New thread sweet!
Whats a pokemon you'd erase from Ash's team? for me its probably Gible. as fun as he was it just became an icon of shame when random ass characters like Paul or Sycamore showed up with Garchomps.

>>58197211
People loved Ash in XY though, you dumb newfag. XY and DP are the most popular series among people that actually watched the entire show.

>>58197104 (OP)
>/ptsd/
Couldn't you have chosen a better acronym?

>>58197221
Yeah, people love Luffy and Goku too. Do you think being popular makes two characters the same. Are you going to claim Tai and Takato are the same character as well?
There's no denying that XY is popular, but people love XY Ash for the exact same reasons they love Goku. He yells hard, he fights hard, he loves battles, and that's about it.

>>58197113
>>58197208
I'm not the same OP from last thread and could care less if these keep going, but some were asking for a new thread and I wanted to see >>58182642 get play at least once if so.

>>58197221
Ignore that schizo, he unironically thinks Ash needed to be an asshole 24/7 even though in OS he was rude only with those that started shit with him

>>58197216
Talonflame, pretty sure even Unfezant did more

>>58197252
Yeah, we need this to be an XY safe space or this thread isn't going to survive.

>>58197216
Aipom because at the end everything was useless since Dawn gave it away too

>Shitty catfights between the shows
Wow, you fags never change.

>Pokemon isn't a kodomo anime
What are we doing here man

>>58197118
>>58197188
I knew you were a SM faggot from your first post trying to pretend you weren't one.

>>58197260
ashfags are the worst part of the fanbase

SMfag melty.

>>58197258
The fact they put that fucker on Ash's sinnoh team in Pikachu's flashback made me laugh so hard lol.

>>58197271
I'm not an SMfag retard, I think DP is the best Pokemon series. I have things I like about SM and things I dislike. Ash-centered episodes in SM usually suck with some exceptions, Kiawe episodes are a mixed bag because he became comic relief, the ENTIRE Nebby plot was a low point, the Alola League top 16 was mishandled tremendously, and again Ash SUCKS in SM.
However I also think XY has a ton of annoying shit. Going from BW Ash to XY Ash was a painful transition because while he became more competent, he also became insanely boring and doesn't have fun interactions with anyone. I hate how pushed his jobberfrog is, beating a Champion's ace is absurd. Just like the games I think the entire cast of rivals except the Sceptilefag are terrible. I felt completely disengaged from the romance subplot because Ash showed no signs of reciprocating, with the closest you got being the nighttime meeting. Pokemon Shows were just worse Contests. The finale with Zygarde sucked and robbed us of even showing Ash being bitter at all about losing the Kalos League (even the Rowlet fakeout had him show more emotion).
Despite this I think XY has some of the better battles, Hawlucha especially is great from start to finish. Citron is one of the best traveling companions Ash has ever had, I'd honestly put him on par with the original trio.

Are you a fucking baby, are you incapable of understanding that you can like and dislike different parts of things?

>>58197226
That's the better acronym.

Im still surprised how well written Gliscor was. It started off as the runt of its pack and it slowly learned to overcome its weaknesses. The fact Ash actually denied it the razor fang and going "Yeah you aren't taking the easy way to getting stronger" until Gligar was over its fears was pretty kino.
Plus the fact that Gliscor didnt lose its personality upon evolving (like Staraptor and Torterra) was amazing.

>>58197467
Gliscor is definitely one of the best handled Ashmons, pretty great way of showing how the anime can really highlight less popular Pokemon in special ways.

>>58197475
Gliscor was never unpopular

>>58197504
Really? Never saw it get much attention outside the anime so I just assumed

>>58197104 (OP)
where can i watch the entire series? some of the links in padt don't have all the dubbed episodes

>>58197216
His entire Journeys team honestly. Well, they kinda get erased in the show when they disappear for months.

>>58197504
True, i mean they also gave Paul one. But Ash's Gliscor gave the species character and personality, so wheneve i think of Gliscor, i think of Ash's specifically and thats what the anime should be doing.

>>58197216
jobterra
i feel like brock should have gotten it

>>58197539
also this
literal whos shoved in last minute except pikashit

>>58197535
>dub

>>58197546
Torterra was fine as Turtwig and Grotle but once it fully evovled they didn't bother to make its personality any different than Paul's torterra which ended up making it a worse version since Paul's Torterra was such an undefeatable monster

>>58197546
Yeah Torterra was a sad one

>>58197601
>Paul's Torterra was such an undefeatable monster
Considering how close their battle at the League was, do you think Paul could have won if he used Torterra instead of, idk, Aggron?

>>58197230
>the exact same reasons they love Goku. He yells hard, he fights hard, he loves battles, and that's about it.
Holy retarded burger dubfag

Still mad we never got another League where Ash brings back his old Pokemon. Everyone loved it in DP, why not do it again?

>>58197546
The starters should always be split among the trio because they make the whole group relevant and give ash room for more interesting mons.

>>58197582
ywnb japanese
>>58197601
>>58197615
it's even worse when you remember it knows how to power up using the energy ball technique but it never shows up in ash's battle against paul
could have at least shown using the technique even if it didn't knock out any of paul's mons

>>58197733
Pokemon will never be American, no matter how shitty actors you get to talk over it.

>>58197672
unova feels like a complete downgrade after watching sinnoh
boring region/myths, boring companions, boring team rocket
sinnoh was truly the pinnacle of series
it has the richest lore, intense plot, great development of characters (dawn starts off as rookie and ends up runner up at the grand festival, brock realizes he wants to be a doctor, ash faces the best rival in the series)
>>58197744
ywnb japanese

>>58197766
Neither will you. You'll have to find a different hobby, sorry.

>unironically watching dubs
But why?

>>58197780
Americans are brain damaged, please understand.

>>58197653
I say yes since Ash never really figured out a way to beat Paul's "grab em by the dick" strategy. Drapion, Electivire, Torterra they all just grabbed their target and ass raped them up close

Time to settle the debate for good. Every Pokemon series ranked by first episode view count on Pokemon's official YouTube channel.

1. Indigo League - 13M
2. Black & White - 9.8M
3. Journeys - 7.9M
4. Sun & Moon - 7.6M
5. Johto Journeys - 7.3M
6. XY - 6.5M
7. Advanced - 4.4M
8. Diamond and Pearl - 2.7M

OS and BW are objectively the best. XY, AG, DP suck and are irrelevant.

Why do retards assume people watching foreign media wish they were from the country that foreign media is from? Do they go "you will never be british" when they hear someone mention they watched a James Bond movie too?

>>58197535
Pokeflix

>>58197794
>dubshit
If anything this shows which series has the most retarded fans.

>>58197774
>>58197780
>>58197783
>>58197800
>>58197815
why are you speaking english?
and what causes such utter butthurt in your brown ass at the mention of dubs?

>>58197794
Generation ranking: Ashime (dub) edition
1 > (orange islands) > 4 > 3 > 2 > 6 > 8 > 7 > 5

What NFE shitmon should've evolved?
I never understood why he never got Gigalith

>>58197780
For some reason Pokemon anime fags have this incredibly autistic need to not be seen as "weebs". If you look at Pokemon forums and shit you'll see an absurd amount of people that make sure to keep up with every single semi-announced dub name so they can switch to using that the instant it exists... even though they're talking about new episodes airing in Japan with other people watching the same episodes, meaning both them and the people they're talking to will be more familiar with the Japanese names. But that doesn't matter, they MUST use the dub names the instant there are dub names to use.

>>58197824
Japan has allowed the American version of Pokemon to become the primary driving force behind the series' popularity.
Pokemon lost its identity as a Japanese franchise when it bent the knee to retarded American cultural standards. Face it, America owns Pokemon.

America was a mistake.

>>58197842
>I never understood why he never got Gigalith
There is an episode dedicated to trade evolution with Shelmet and Karrablast. Boldore even participated in a double battle. Maybe they genuinely forgot Boldore evolves by trading lol

>>58197846
>>58197848
Nobody whose first language isnt japanese can tell whether the VAs are any better so I could not give less of a fuck about any sub/dub debates. and any dialogue inconsistency are just mildly interesting powerlevel autism fodder.

>>58197892
>Nobody whose first language isnt japanese can tell whether the VAs are any better
People with functionable ears can. I'm sorry for your handicap.

>>58197892
Yeah I bet you think the fucking Pokemon dub has Hollywood tier acting.

>>58197892
>>58197901
>>58197905
Why can't we all just get along?

>>58197467
>The fact Ash actually denied it the razor fang and going "Yeah you aren't taking the easy way to getting stronger" until Gligar was over its fears was pretty kino.
Now it nearly impossible to imagine Ash behave this harshly with anybody after his personality change on XY series.

>>58197892
>Nobody whose first language isnt japanese can tell whether the VAs are any better
Why do retarded dubfags always assume everyone else are just as big brainlets as them?

>>58197901
>>58197905
>>58197996
It doesn't matter by default, it only becomes necessary when the dub is bad. 4kids dub is overhated and honestly better than some toonami weeb golden children like yu yu hakusho. its only later on that it suffered from sonic VA tier downgrades.

>>58198056
>4kids dub is overhated
Nigga alongside Burgerball Zee it's probably the single most dicksucked English dub in history.

What if Pokemon Horizon take place in Guzzlord timeline ? That would explain the Shiny Tapu Keko. Maybe Spinel was a survivor from Guzzlord's attack on Alola and he want to weaponize Rakulium to fight inter-dimensional threats like Guzzlord. That would open door for Dia to reappear with Mega Zeraora and mention how he met a child from another world that came up with a way to stop Guzzlord and send him back home without the help of Rakulium.

Maybe at the final arc, shiny Tapu Keko summon Ash again after Spinel experiment on Rakulium goes out of control

Favorite stadium? For me it is Kalos, I loved the terrain change

Who was the most pathetic villain on Anipoke? Team Rocket Trio, Chairman Rose , Faba or Gibeon?

>>58198206
Faba or Rose

>>58198206
Rose

>that last thread

Holy fuck, this place has some extremely opinionated pseud dumbasses.

1) Pokemon is still hand-drawn. There was never a shift from hand-drawn to not hand-drawn. Minor CGI elements have been used since the first movie.

2) Your ugly slideshow is not better looking than Sun & Moon because you watched it as a kid.

https://sakugabooru.com/post?tags=pokemon_%281997%29
https://sakugabooru.com/post?tags=pokemon_sun_%26_moon+

S&M has twice as many collected clips with noteworthy animation than the entire original show despite half as many episodes. The original Pokemon show has some nice backgrounds, at best, but it's horribly directed and animated, it barely fucking moves.

>>58198273
Most people outside animation autism websites prefer shows that look good instead of shows "with good animation". SM does not look good.

>>58198209
>>58198212
I would say Gibeon as Faba and Rose had some dignity left specially since the anime left the part about Rose could not wait one more day. Gibeon was practically a joke, all he did was throwing tantrum over his friends not letting him play with a new toy and his partner pokemon decided to give him the middle finger.

>>58198432
>Asks a question
>Gets mad about the answers
>Claims Faba has "dignity" left after getting degraded to boy-toy material
>ESL
>Missing the point of the characters
I should've known it was you, Fagmon. But fuck, stop making it obvious. Get a job.

>>58198477
Why so angry, buddy? Why can't you handle that someone believes Gibeon is the most pathetic villain in the show? He saw Rakulium's negative effects, had 100 years to reflect, yet shows no maturity or growth. Even Archie, who wanted to flood the world, realized his mistake after seeing Kyogre's power, but Gibeon stayed the same. Zygarde choosing this fool as its partner insults its intellect.

>>Claims Faba has "dignity" left after getting degraded to boy-toy material
Faba kept his job and I don't think he even got demoted. While Chairman Rose actually won and got exactly what he wanted.

>>58198206
Don't know who Gibeon is, but probably Rose. Faba at least came across as scary before they turned him into a whimpering loser, Rose I don't know what the fuck they were going for.

>>58197535
For dub, Pokeflix is the best choice. It has almost every episode, movie, and special, including subs for episodes that were never dubbed.
The official Pokémon TV YouTube channel is decent. It has dubs other than English, but it skipped the banned episodes, has a slow release schedule currently going through late Johto, and includes all the problems that YouTube has as a platform especially when it comes to kids content which the episodes are marked as.
For sub, since there are no official releases, if you know where to look, you know. Just avoid SOSSubs for OS and AG.

>>58198624
>Just avoid SOSSubs for OS and AG.
There are alternatives now?

>>58198595
Gibeon is not really a villain in the traditional sense. He had good intentions but went full turbo autism. And he caved in near the end so idk what you mean by staying the same. He and Lucius had both good points but were dumbasses over it.

Faba became a punching bag and he became demoted in both the games and the anime. So good job on not only getting needlessly defensive but also not making sure you get the facts right over something like Faba's status.

>>58198636
The guy you're talking to doesn't actually watch the show, he just reads random tidbits about it to use in his rants about how terrible it is.

>>58198636
>He had good intentions
You can say that about every villain in the game except Giovanni, Ghetsis , Lusamine.& Volo.

>And he caved in near the end
He had no choice after Zygarbe gave him the middle finger. At the end, he was just beyond pathetic.

>Faba became a punching bag
He defeated both Gladion and Ash in his first battle against them, only got taken down by their legendary and mythical pokemon.

>>58197104 (OP)
>OS-JN filler guide:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Nr3LMRBx-tJZtSwAbc4s4YTEgg6MVFnc

>Web series, specials, and audio dramas subs and links:
https://pastebin.com/gkJSXkbL

>Movies:
https://pastebin.com/nHcuH7yN

>Music, manga, and more:
https://pastebin.com/gXfZtrrJ

You should include this in the OP of the next thread.

>>58197840
I gitta say I came from a different country, so when I listened to the Englush dub of the OS I was shocked by how amateur it sounded. Like, in my country sounded more polished and I live in a piss poor country.

I know that a lot of american dubs in the late 90s and early 2000s were dogshit, tho. Maybe that's why? Around Johto the dub started sounding more professional.

>>58198672
No fuck off.

>>58198657
But that doesn't make them villain to begin with then. Villains are self-sufficient. Anti hero or morally grey are better terms for it but seeing the parts in your post like "Zygarbe" or the idea that a snake Pokemon can have middle fingers speaks about your lacking English skills and thus your ability to actually contribute anything of value to the discussion.

You really wanna go on getting anal for so long until others get sick of you or just cave in to YOUR mindset? And good job on proving the point of the other anons, you should get a job to maybe improve your thinking capabilities.

>>58198595
>Faba kept his job and I don't think he even got demoted.
He did, Ash's Alola Rotom is his superior
>While Chairman Rose actually won and got exactly what he wanted.
I think that only happened in PokéSpe, he got mindbroken by Ash telling him to fuck off in the anime iirc

>>58198179
I love how they did the terrains too. Ash always had these unconventional strategies that used the terrain (I remember something like this happened in Ash vs Gary but I don't remember what lmao). So I loved they finally gave a complex terrain for the league/gym leaders.

>>58198672
>padt google doc unironically uses dub names for every episode
Jesus Christ what happened to that place?

>>58198627
For every episode? I wish, but I'd rather watch dubbed even if it's very bad over having to read subs that defy canon terminology.
Good Dub = Good Sub = Raw > Okay Subs > Typical 4K/TPCi Dub > Bad Dub (a.k.a. Chronicles) > Tranny Subs

>>58198717
>Good Dub
No such thing

>>58198714
Hostile takeover by touristshitters.

>Dub vs Sub faggotry #43817
>XY vs SM discourse #24951
>Some lolcow? ESL getting angry about not getting the replies he wanted.
>Small slips of /pol/shit by making it about countries
So, this is what 25 years of a weekly commercial has ended up in. A toxic cesspool of dogpiling and undermining others with arson and death threats issued at those making the anime. Like I could ask a singular question about the behavior of some anons and it would get immediate attention with massive blog posts which can be dated back to 2017 atleast like drones orbiting around certain mentions.

>>58198790
It mostly boils down to /vp/ being an extremely newfaggy board and anons nostalgic for old times being at odds with newfags that weren't even there during those times.

>>58197253
Obvious bait but I respect the hustle kek

>>58198703
>I think that only happened in PokéSpe, he got mindbroken by Ash telling him to fuck off in the anime iirc
His goal was for Leon to tame Eternatus and conducting research on it to use it as a power source. At the end Leon did tamed Eternatus and we saw Sonia's grandma researching it on her lad to use it as a power source.

Chairman Rose won.

h-he's fast!

>>58198954
Wh-what is sceptile doin bros?

>>58198954
Sceptile is ,weirdly enough, the closest pokemon Ash has that behaves like a champion's ace. Quiet, reserved and rarely shows up in battle but every time he does battle its against a legendary pokemon that he manhandles.

>>58198996
Once he evolved I don't think he ever had like a humiliating loss, but it's been a while since I watched AG so maybe I forgot

It's funny how this general is moving faster than the other one

>>58199076
/padt/ is slow as shit and mostly just exists due to autists that insist on keeping it in the catalog with spam and pointless bumps.

>>58199076
I wouldn't call genwarring amongst each other while biting each other's head off over sub or dub arguments with a Schizo on top actively dickriding Rose something funny since that's a testimony to how this thread is the end result of schizos pushing it too far and alienating any attempts at genuine discussions.

Fast doesn't equals good. The first replies ITT are a repeat case of retards dogpiling each other over XY and SM.

>>58199076
>It's funny how autists spamming the same posts from years ago ITT are faster than the other one who doesn't spam it
Really "funny" how the supposed shitshow of that thread somehow moved here.

Maybe this might make more sense to post on the fanwork thread, but I've been thinking about it, and AG Ash feels like just the right mixture of gentle and brash for the character, and if I were to write a fanfic with him, I'd probably base him off this version.

People always complain that he was too much of a nice guy in latter gens, and let's be real, OS Ash is a punching bag (more specifically, he's Shudo's personal punching bag).

While AG Ash had his shitty moments, I feel like his intelligence and pride were balanced in such a way that it was believable. Like when Max pissed him off at the start of the series and logically, Ash enjoyed when he was getting his ass kicked by Torchic.

Nice enough to treat others with respect, but also sufficiently tough to not let jerks disrespect him and get away with it.

>>58199242
AG Ash is fun, if it wasn't for May and max being lackluster companions the series would probably be viewed more favorably. His tenacity really shows during the Battle Frontier

>>58199283
>if it wasn't for May and max being lackluster companions the series would probably be viewed more favorably
I wish they kept Misty for one more gen just because her and Brock match Hoenn's whole schtick too well. I know Brock isn't a ground trainer but close enough.

The adventure continues... bros...

>>58199406
>Saving the same image twice
>It's not even the full size version of it
Come on.

>>58199431
Please understand, Ash self-inserters aren't the smartest bunch.

>>58199431
Ackshually, this is the first image I pulled from Google

>>58199406
I think a trio of Ash, Iono and Larry would have been a cool travelling group in Paldea, maybe with Koraidon.
Hell you could even add Juliana and Miraidon as the rival whose traveling with Arven and Penny.

>>58199242
Yeah AG Ash had a good mix of "good natured kid" and "easy to ragebait brat" where he would help a pokemon but get in a fist fight with it over random shit. If you write anything cool post it here anon, maybe some fanworks could help more discussions on the board.

>>58199618
> Ash, Juliana and Arven
> Juliana would be a former gym challenger that quit midway after losing to Grusha. Eventually gers back her motivation because of her new friends and complete her gym challenge.
> Arven wants to find herbal mystica to heal his partner.
> Ash will come to master Terastalization and stick around to help Arven.
> Koraidon/Miraidon shows up with a mysterious pendant.
> Team Stars reform and join the main cast
> Turo is alive and wants to use the pendant aka Terapagos to bring the past version of his dead wife into the present permanently right before she died.
> The experiment could lead to Terapagos's death and damage the fabric of time & space of Pokémon world so Ai Sada sent Terapagos to Arven though Koraidon/Miraidon.
> Final arc is Ash, Arven, Nemona, Penny , Juliana and Team Star leaders rescuing Terapagos from the grieving insane Turo .

How's that sound?

>>58198996
>the closest pokemon Ash has that behaves like a champion's ace.
IMO that's Snorlax, that monster never fainted without taking AT LEAST one opponent mon

I really wish Ash had won a League that let him face an E4 afterwards, I always pictured it as the coolest shit in the world having him prep for those battles

>>58199924
That should have been Kalos. He should've beat Alain, lost to the E4 (which would have made the eventual fight with Drasna in Journeys WAY more impactful) and carried on with his journey to be Pokemon Master.

>>58199618
>>58199762
Honestly, none of the SV characters seem like travelling partner material to me. All of the gym leaders are too old. The other characters (Nemona, Penny, Arven) have personalities that are way too well-defined to be flexible enough to fit into Ash's story for an entire 3-year arc. Juliana would just look out of place next to Ash, desu, and the whole "Ash acts as a mentor to a new trainer" thing has been done enough.
Not sure how much mass-appeal this idea is, but I thought it could be interesting to see Ash and Gary go on a journey together, where Ash focuses on catching and battling Pokemon while Gary studies legendary Pokemon. SV has a lot of material involving legendaries for them to adapt.
Even though he came back often in Journeys, I still think Gary was sorely underutilized in the show.

>>58200041
It definitely would have been fun to have Gary and Ash travel together for a while, would have been fun to see how their dynamic evolved now that they are older and more mature and see what kind of shenanigans they get up to (bonus point if Gary is left baffled at the start over the kind of shit Ash gets himself in).
... Damn now that you put this idea in my head, I'm even more disappointed in Journeys, the whole "Ash helps a Professor as a field assistant together with current partner" would have fit perfectly for a season where he and Gary travel together, what with Gary being a researcher himself.
Journeys really is the gift that keeps on disappointing.

>Enter thread
>Expect comfy talking points
>Most of the thread is genwarring anipoke version and bad faith dub vs sub discussion
It's all so tiresome

>>58200137
Thx for the tummy anon.

>>58199242
AG Ash was too overconfident.

>>58200112
Gary is cool but I still think Goh should have been rewritten from the get-go to be an aspiring Poke Professor like Gary, but with a more supportive role and personality rather than someone with a big dream that takes away needed screentime from the MC and his Pokemon. Gary just feels like Ash who goes wherever he wants to, he's too much of a D type to be a proper traveling companion for Ash in most open world adventure settings.
However, Paldea's got something interesting going on with the 2 schools thing, so I think having co-protagonists with strong personalities like Ash and Gary may have worked here. It would be an interesting season to sorta reignite their rivalry in a way, with each of them representing a different school, chasing different goals, supporting each other at times, having conflicts and battling it out, and ultimately converging to defeat that one big bad. But that's just me.

I'm currently watching season five (Master Journey) on the official Youtube channel. Meowth has some interesting character development that you wouldn't expect from a show like this.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRcHmntfmJ8BNWmL3MICuc1Oh5Mxf2qEh

>>58200860
For a dumb stupid cat , Meowth known for giving right advice to many other pokemon.

>>58197221
>People loved Ash in XY though
Not people, only self inserters

>>58201528
Newfags should stay quiet

If Ash were in Pokémon Horizons, what would have changed? It would have made sense for Anipoke to introduce a new protagonist for a fresh gym challenge and league saga, but Pokémon Horizons isn't about the Pokémon League. Instead, Anipoke made a story where the protagonist must match JN Ash's level from the start, defeating the purpose of replacing him.

>>58199242
>OS Ash is a punching bag (more specifically, he's Shudo's personal punching bag).
What are you talking about, I'm curious

>>58201975
>Ash gets attacked by the Samurai, and that leads to a pack of Beedrill attacking
>"It's all your fault, Ash!"
>Ash gets harassed by Team Rocket, and that costs him his match with Ritchie
>"It's all your fault, Ash! You should've trained Charizard better!"
>Ash just wants food and a bath after finally finding a Pokémon Center, and gets slashed by a Blissey in return
>"It's all your fault, Ash! You rushed through everything!"
>Ash is beating trainers with Charizard in Johto
>"You're so mean, Ash! How dare you use your strongest Pokémon against others!"
I don't know what made Shudo hate Ash so much, but he clearly had an issue with his own character. There's creating a flawed character and making him learn lessons via consequences of actions, and then there's forcefully contriving situations and blaming them all on the character.

While you could argue in favour of some of these situations, some are just bile being mindlessly thrown at Ash. Like, how do you even excuse wronging a trainer for using a strong Pokémon? Shudo wouldn't have lasted a minute in real competitive Pokémon battling with that sort of mindset.

>>58201928
Or... They could keep Horizons and make a separate 1- or 2-cour yearly anime with Ash and friends. They could do it. They just don't want to because they're greedy pigs with zero vision.

>>58202141
>>Ash gets attacked by the Samurai, and that leads to a pack of Beedrill attacking
>>"It's all your fault, Ash!"
This is why I hate Samurai with a burning passion. A self righteous self centered hypocrite who tries to lecture other over responsibility despite not being responsible himself.

>I don't know what made Shudo hate Ash so much,
Shudo simply didn't gave Ash any special treatment as he and other writing staff believed no characters were entitled for special treatment unlike current writing staff who thinks their anime exclusive OC are the most important thing in pokemon world & entitled to everything.

If anything, Ash became an actual punching bag on BW series.

>>58202141
That's just how Kanto is to be honest, everyone is a shade of asshole even from episode one where Oak belittled Ash for being a "low expectation kid" just because he was late or Misty acting like she's tough shit when all she had was a useless Goldeen on her hand.

Anywhere to watch pre-BW anime in sub?

>>58202363
Check Archive org, there should be a really well documented one with all the episodes from start to end with movies.

>>58202190
>They could keep Horizons
There is no point of replacing Ash on Horizons if they needed the protagonist to be at the same level as JN Ash.

>>58202141
People in Kanto were all assholes and honestly Ash had a mean bite but he always had a pure heart. I miss those days.

Also, I feel a lot of Japanese media has this trope of everyone being mean to the mc for no reason and they just taking the blame.

>>58202762
>Also, I feel a lot of Japanese media has this trope of everyone being mean to the mc for no reason and they just taking the blame.
It certainly seems that way when you see shit like older harem/ecchi or comedy anime among others.

>>58199242
>>58202141
To add to >>58202762, I was really surprised by how mean everyone was to Ash but he just didn't care. Like how in the second episode he takes Pikachu to the Pokémon Center and she scolds him for being irresponsible. I mean, they were still figuring out tones and they severely nerfed the seriousness of injuries in the show.

And Ash just didn't give a fuck. I kinda respected him for it.

Even Pikachu was an asshole for no reason. I had convinced myself Ash had been mean to him or whatever, but he always treated Pikachu with respect, didn't try to force him into a Pokéball and when the first Spearow tried to attack Ash tried to call attention to him. He was surprisingly badass.

Also, he was really kind to Caterpie when Misty was a massive cunt.

I also remember Erika being a massive cunt in the anime too and everyone acting as if Ash was wrong on trying to challenge the gym.

He started standing up to himself against Misty and other as the series moved on. I feel part of the reason Kanto was so mean was that they were still trying to figure out the tone. And even though I think the best part of the series are OS and Orange Islands, I think this tone is hit better in Johto and Hoenn. It stops appearing in Sinnoh, Kalos and even Alola because his companions become much more friendly (Dawn, Serena and the Alolan crew pretty much idolize Ash). And it sort of feels earned to me.

Maybe that's why BW feels so jarring, or one of the many reasons: Iris is such a cunt and Ash becomes not only stupid but a doormat? I never felt he was a doormat in the original series.

>>58202773
What? The fuck you talking about?

>>58202773
I was talking more like some types of shonen, especially when there is a rival that gets away with lots of shit and the protagonist has to be the underdog. But comedy anime is another good example.

>>58202810
I quote the wrong post. Sorry >>58202773

>>58202809
Misty's cruelty to Caterpie lead to Ash throwing the bug against Pidgeotto in the first place and the bitch had the audacity to call Ash retarded for trying to make his pokemon look cool.

;_;
TAKE ME BACK, SOVLBROS.......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfaxxwn6VQw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vooS9a8VwEU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEKO7HMLImo

>>58197104 (OP)
I preferred
>/ash/nime general
but this is acceptable i suppose

next baker pls include all the alt names in the body of the OP until we can establish this general pls thnx

>>58202809
>Maybe that's why BW feels so jarring, or one of the many reasons: Iris is such a cunt and Ash becomes not only stupid but a doormat? I never felt he was a doormat in the original series
This is why Ash and Misty were such a good duo, Ash would always bite back and it felt like a power struggle between them, stopping Misty from becoming too unlikable in the process too. There was also the bonus of the banter between them usually being pretty entertaining too, with the more slapstick element of the early show enhancing that. Iris just chastises Ash and makes snide remarks, but rarely was there any back and forth, and by the time of BW the slapstick of the show was long neutered, so it's not only frustrating to watch the whole 'you're such a kid' shit, but it's just boring too.

>>58197842
Scraggy. It's kind of fucked up his brother and sparring partner is a fully evolved champion's ace and he's just stuck as is forever.

>>58197104 (OP)
Can we just not throw shade at padt? Just say it's a thread about the classic series. Jesus, neutral standpoint is not that hard anon.

>>58197794
Fuck a view count. Let's just rank the 1st episodes of each season from Best to worst.

1. OS
2. XY
3. SM
4. Journeys
5. AV
6. DP
7. BW
8. Johto

>>58203307
>Can we just not throw shade at padt?
i don't see any shade being thrown in the op.

>>58203322
>SM that high
>DP that low
Nigga

>>58203322
If they don't have a girl's bike getting destroyed are they even really a pokemon premiere?

>>58203354
tired old trope

>>58203360
beloved running gag

>>58203369
ok you win this round, twerp

>>58203224
/ptsd/ already won bro. no other combination of words or letters better captures the essence of why tf we're all still here

>>58203224
This really doesn't need to be a 24/7 general.

>>58197200
I'd like to see this as well.

>>58197208
It isn't daily. The previous one was up over 5 days.

>>58197226

/padt/ gave me /ptsd/

>>58198624
>Just avoid SOSSubs for OS and AG

Why? What's the issue with SOS Subs? I'm probably not fully in the loop, but my understand was that they were the only people even attempting to sub the large parts of the series that have been unsubbed for years.

And if not SOS Subs then who?

>>58197780

For years large parts of the series have been unsubbed. A lot of that has since been fansubbed but there are still parts without any subs at all. Whatever the issues with the dub, it's at least fully complete.

>>58197855
So true

>>58198790
>>Small slips of /pol/shit by making it about countries
Indian detected

>>58199076
>>58199105

/padt/ has been a husk for years

>>58199924
>>58199961

They should have done this in Kalos and let Ash leave the series.

>>58200137
The last thread was nice and comfy and I enjoyed it. There's a cohort of retards clearly unhappy about the existence of this thread. They'll fuck off eventually when they realise that this thread isn't going anywhere.

>>58200860

How have you found the audio and video quality of the episodes uploaded on the YouTube channel? Is it the best option or are other other sources like DVD rips better quality?

>>58202363
>>58202366

Isn't that one full of early primitive AI generated slop subs? Iirc the some of the subs are barely intelligible gobbledigook.

>>58203455

My deepest apologies that we're interrupting your scheduled intake of the 25th consecutive thinly veiled softcore pornography thread.

>>58203224
>>58203431

/ptsd/ was a great suggestion, easily the best one

>>58203307

What are you, a baby? Boo hoo I'm sure you'll survive.

>>58197104 (OP)
I finally got done reading the last thread, and while i do disagree with most of what you guy's said about Horizons. I do agree that the show could've handled the game characters better.

>>58203702
And this, boys and girls, is why it's called /ptsd/

>>58203615
The translations are generally not very good, they insist on spelling all Pokemon names in their own wonky ass ways that don't match anything official, and they refer to all Pokemon as theythems to the point the dialogue is straight out difficult to parse at times.

>And if not SOS Subs then who?
Fairly sure it's the only option for most eps.

>>58203776

It's all so tiresome

>>58203715
?

>>58203776
I miss PM

>>58203643
I can't compare, since I neither own any Pokemon DVDs nor do I know how to pirate.

>>58203776

This is the icon of their Discord server

>>58203834
Jesus Christ.

>>58203776
>>58203834

The server has an entire channel called "rainbow moon cafe" devoted to this shit

>>58203776
>>58203834
>>58203839

>A safe place to talk about all things Pride and LGBT+ community. :)

>>58203834
>>58203839
>>58203850
but why

>>58203776
>>58203834
>>58203839
>>58203850

Their subtitler, bumblyumbly / Akiko, discussing whether whether pokémon "can be queer"

>>58203776
>>58203834
>>58203839
>>58203850
>>58203868

>>58203868
This seems familiar...

>>58203868
>>58203873

>a very clear queer reading of Pokemon

Sentences you never thought you'd read

>>58197104 (OP)
>/padt/ is completely dominated by Horizons
>The current anime series is the one talked about
Wow

>>58203776
>>58203834
>>58203868

The SOS Subs translator & subtitler bumblyumbly / Akiko writting wall of text essays pontificating on whether pokémon are homosexual

>>58203877
The sheer fucking delusions and headcanon copium from these kinds of "people" are staggering. I can't believe retards unironically take troonatics seriously. Where the heck is this from?

>I wonder what...
>discord screencaps

I thought we were gonna talk about original series.

FYI their translator & subtitler has spent the past 6 years doing Pokémon. This screenshot is of a message from almost a year ago as you can see from the timestamp.

She (they? it?) has said she's a woman but I dunno if that means actual real biological woman or something else.

Imagine spending over a half a decade of your life singlehandedly translating and subtitling hundreds of episodes of an anime only for the end result to be the complex psychosexual analysis of pokémon battle moves.

I'd rather discuss shipping shit than whatever these sub shenanigans are about. Can we discuss shipping shit, or anything fun about the Ash series for that matter?

>>58203899
Hahaha this is actually a good showcase of how poor these subs are, since this translator doesn't actually understand the grammar he's talking about. That まず he's talking about doesn't change あり得ない from "impossible" to "incredibly unlikely", it changes it from "impossible" to "completely impossible" - literally the exact opposite of what he's saying.

>>58203631
And now it's dead

>>58204047
Sure.

Remember how the GS Ball didn't amount to anything? Also, I know people here chime in Alain and Tobias for denying Ash a league Victory. But Harrison's victory over Ash was clearly done to promote the Hoenn games.

Redo Ash's teams for each Gen from Kanto to Journeys. Go!

>>58204131
Your right, they didn't even reach bump limit.

>>58204047
>Ash x Hunter J
Just fucking lol

>>58204131
Good

>>58204131
>>58204145

Lmao sad! Good riddance. Nothing of value was lost. It's been a decomposing undead abomination for years.

>>58204143
>Harrison's victory over Ash was clearly done to promote the Hoenn games
At least Harrison was using just a regular Pokémon. Unfair for the time? Yeah, but compared to fucking Darkrai and Latios, it wasn't terrible.

>all the anons seething at "muh ashfags, muh self-inserters" end up moving here
>suddenly /padt/ dies without hitting bump limit
So this is what they mean by "misery loves company", huh? These people couldn't find anything to love about Horizons in the 2+ years it's been running so far.

>>58204181
>These people couldn't find anything to love about Horizons in the 2+ years it's been running so far.

If /padt/ wants to transform itself into a general exclusively for people who love the taste of shit then by all means let them do so. I couldn't care less what they do, what they say or what they think.

>>58203868
>>58203873
I dont get it, why do they want the animals to be queer? i get headcanoning the humans but why the pokemon?

>>58203325
>/padt/ is completely dominated by Horizons chat.

The sentence doesn't need to be there. It's like implying they're in the wrong for ignoring Ash because he's not relevant. Maybe it's not a big deal, but the less the theme is "we're not those newfags over there," the better it is for the long run. It's speech 101.

>>58204218
no point questioning literal mental illness

>>58197199
To be fair I can see why anon might think so. Pokemon more or less follows the battleshonen formula but for an elementary school audience, it’s like baby’s first shonen.
>reckless hotheaded protagonist, kind of dumb but with a heart of gold
>most episodes revolve around battles/fighting (obviously)
>trying to “be the very best”
>tournament arcs
>transformation sequences (mid battle evolutions are pretty common)
>muh power of friendship (defeating an enemy due to having a “stronger bond with your pokemon” than them)
>full of filler episodes that have nothing to do with the source material (in this case the vidyas)
Main difference is the lack of stakes in the story, there really aren’t any world-ending (or at the very least serious) threats like you would see at the end of a shonen arc. Only time there’s any real danger for the protagonists is in (some of) the movies.

>>58204218
Maybe they're zoophiles? Maybe they're furries? Who knows. You could spend an entire lifetime classifying all the types of mental illness in that neighbourhood.

Whatever their unique flavour of mental disability is, it's not normal to be so fixated on the sexuality of animals. Fictional animals.

Remember, in modern society these "people" have the exact same political rights that you do.

>>58204242
Nigga most battle shonen is aimed at young grade schoolers too. It's not 15 year olds that went to McDonalds for Naruto Happy Meals.

>>58204218
In the Origin of Species
Charles Darwin liked to say
That dressing up and showing off
Was purely male display.
But sadly scientifically
He led us all astray
For what he failed to notice
Was these creatures are all gay

There's a tiny bird in Kent
Who's ridiculously bent
And a rutting stag who is a total deer
There are naughty big blue whales
And the sperm whale prefers males
And the dolphin is of course completely queer
There's a very brazen chimp
Who is very rarely limp
And a shrimp who's pink and utterly obscene
While the small transvestite prawn
Is completely into porn
And the King Crab is of course an utter Queen.

Gay gay gay
They all are madly gay
But in Victorian times
That was not the thing to say.

In the Rutland Isles' warm waters
There's a cross-dressing tortoise
And an ass who makes a pass at everyone
There's a masturbating monkey
And a terribly rude donkey
And a very very famous lesbian swan
There's a big bisexuel elk
And a tiny gay young whelk
And a snake who is a rake all night and day
And a sorry little sheep
Who is in to Meryl Streep
And don't tell me the anteater's not gay!

Gay gay gay
They all are madly gay
Ten percent of nature's bent
At least that's what they say

>>58204047
Not exactly shipping shit but Casey should have been the underdog of Johto that would beat Ash after his victory against Gary.

>>58197686
Yet another reason why Hoenn and Kalos are kino

>>58204144
It would be too long of a list to redo all the teams but ill give one per each region.
Kanto + OI: A scyther that Ash would have saved from Celadon game corner
Johto: Houndour he helped out
Hoenn: the Absol that was stalking him in the region
Sinnoh: Luxio he helped in the Wailmer episode
Unova: Fem Frilish he fished up in the fishing episode
Kalos: Im surprised they never gave him an Aegislash despite its massive popularity.
Alola: the Wimpod he saved when him and Pikachu were exploring Exeggutor island
Journey: Zacian (or Corviknight if legends are still banned)

>>58204323
>Wimpod he saved when him and Pikachu were exploring Exeggutor island
I was flabbergasted when he didn't catch him, and figured it meant he was going to show back up later as a Golisopod or something. But no, he never did

>>58203622
>american culture:
>constitutional rights and freedoms (speech/press/religion etc)
>holidays (christmas)
>2 retarded political parties at each others throats all the time
>a bunch of corporate brands (lmao)
>a GERMAN athletics company and a FRENCH luxury fashion company

>>58204329
I assume they didn't want overlap with Guzma when he appeared but that would have made Ash connect with Guzma and help him and Kukui become friends again.

>>58203776
>theythems
Despite the fact that according to TPC ALL pokemon should ALREADY be referred to by a gender neutral pronoun (it) lmao
are faggots really this out of touch?

>>58204218
Because they’re furry pokephiles as well as gay

>>58204286
Explain?

>>58204047
Ash x Chloe is canon.

>>58204353
>are faggots really this out of touch?
They spell Nidoran's name "Needoran" too, they're basically making an effort to be as different from the established normal as possible

>>58203776
Pic related, one example. I'd take broken AI subs over this.
>>58203868
>im not sure if dogasu speaks japanese
The same Dogasu that runs Dogasu's Backpack, the site that compared the Japanese and English versions of Pokémon anime for over 25 years?

>>58204378
>They spell Nidoran's name "Needoran" too

>>58204384
That same Dogasu. These trannies live in their own world.

>>58204384
>Boobur

>>58204384
>>58204441

B O O B U R

Pikachu, use Volt Tackle

>>58204144
Give Ash his Larvitar in Johto
And maybe swap our Corpfish for someone else in Hoenn.

>>58204438
>These trannies live in their own world.
Why should anyone take them seriously? Only game in town or not, there's just so many things wrong with their subs that the fanbase at large should discredit them.
>>58204378
Here are more, straight from their episode titles.
>Cayce
>Sleepir
>Digduh
>Garooler
>Iwake
>Nusshi
>Guardi
>Bull
>Ladybuh
>Happinurse
>Airmed
>Ladien
>Hellguar
>Needorina, Needorino
>Muchure
And who translates differently colored as colourway?

>>58204144
>Kanto
>it's fine as is, but Bulbasaur and Squirtle would evolve
>Johto
>Totodile evolves, Bayleef goes all the way to Meganium, Cyndaquil to Typhlosion; don't give a shit if it clashes with the Raikou trio because two of them didn't even meet Ash
>Hoenn
>Corphish out, get Spheal in, Torkoal out, gonna replace it with Flygon
>Sinnoh
>it's already fine too, but Gible should've at least evolved into Gabite, Ambipom goes back to Ash because the ping pong episode was unbelievably fucking stupid
>Unova
>Unfezant goes, dead weight bird, Boldore evolves into Gigalith, Snivy evolves into Servine, Pignite into Emboar, Oshawott goes because it's another dead weight shitter who made an already stupid Ash lose even more matches by rearing his head when nobody called for him
>Kalos
>give Ash Trevenant to make up for Goodra's absence because who in their right mind thought it was a good idea to make him face the League with an already-released Pokémon; Greninja also doesn't leave for the bullshit plot reasons
>Alola
>same as before, giving him Passimian to make up for Naganadel's absence
>Journeys
>it's all fine, but I would've made him use past Pokémon every now and then

>>58197216
Naganadel. Keep the story as-is but don't make it a part of his Alola league team if you're just going to bench it for 50+ episodes. I'd prefer if he had caught some other alola mon and trained with it instead of getting a free handout just in time for his 6v6.

How many of Ash's pokemon are actually female?

>>58204144
>Kanto + OI
Nothing to change.
>Johto
Just let his Bayleef evolve into Meganium. Cyndaquil into Quilava. I'd keep Totodile because its personality is unique as a first stage.
>Hoenn
Replace Torkoal for Duskull, boy needs ghost types. If he gets desperate for fire types, call Quilava.
>Sinnoh
Funny how he's got three ground types in his Sinnoh team, I'd add Hippowdon but that will over bloat it with the ground types. Let Gible evolve to Gabite and it'll become the menace it was always meant to be. Duskull returns and evolves into Dusclops.
>Unova
Drop Unfezant. Boldore evolves into Gigalith, Snivy into Servine, Oshawatt into Dewott, Pignite into Emboar. Drop Palpitoad. Give Leavanny to Cilan and replace it with Accelgor, Ash has a lowkey talent at being a ninja. Add Reuniclus for his first Psychic type.
>Kalos
Options are not looking so great here. Call Servine so it evolves into Serperior.
>Alola
Add Hakamo-o.
>Journeys
Gabite returns and finally becomes Garchomp. If we're finally letting loose the restraints on legnedaries, you could add Urshifu for maximum shilling. Alternatively, Meloetta returns as his officially. Quilava evolves into Hisuian Typhlosion for LA shilling. Butterfree returns and gives Ash one of his kids to raise. Lapras returns.

>>58204575
He really should have gotten a shiny Trevenant in Kalos. Goodra didn't really match Ash's style of battling.

>>58204700
>First Psychic Type

Oh, yeah. I'd never thought that Ash never got a Psychic type. I wonder which Psychic type he'd get first depending on the region. I'd figure he'd get a Slowbro in Kanto, and if not then an Espeon in Johto to contrast with Gary, and so on.

>>58204676
Why do you care

>>58204834
Paldea would've had the perfect candidate for Ash's first official Psychic type. Mimey doesn't count of course.

>>58204144
>Kanto
Evolve Bulbasaur, evolve Pidgeotto and doesn't give away Lapras or Butterfree.
>Johto
Evolve Cyndaquil during the League, add a Houndour that he would evolve
>Hoenn
Fine. Maybe evolve Corphish.
>Sinnoh
Evolve Floatzel.
>BW
Evolve Snivy to second stage, Pignite to Emboar, Oshawott to Dewott and Boldore to Gigalith.
>Kalos
Add the shiny Treevanant. Don't release Goodra or Greninja.
>Journey
Add Corviknight and make him use his other Mons sometimes.

>>58204047
Should include Lana, Mallow, Lillie and Femboy Goh

>>58204804
>>58204902
What's the significance of the shiny Trevenant?

>>58204937
He meets the pre-evolution this one episode and bonds with him. The entire episode feels like he was going to catch it, only for us to be cucked bu the end.

>>58204676
AFAIK, Unfezant, Snivy, Aipom are confirmed. Not sure about Bayleaf but probably. Was Leavanny a girl?

>>58204941
Oh yeah I remember that now that you mention it. I don't think Trevenant would have fit his battle style any better than Goodra but it would have been cool.

>>58204943
Trevenant has a way more interesting moveset that Ash can play around with. With Goodra he had to keep relying on Bide

BW mogs them all. Pignite would curbstomp his journey Lucario

>>58204965
If it evolved into Emboar I'd say it has a good chance

Going through various specials I've missed and I liked that even the "serious" stuff remembers to do Pokemon cutaways like the show was usually good at.

Enough about Ash, let's remake Team Rockets teams!
>Kanto+OI
Keep it the same, but have Lickitung appear more.
>Johto
It would have been nice if they both got a Johto mon. Maybe Ariados for Jessie and IDK, Octillery for James?
>Hoenn
Keep it as is, but have James catch Chimecho earlier
>Sinnoh
Keep it as is
>BW
Give James Amogus and Jessie Frillish from the start. James catches a Maractus. Jessie gets Woobat and it evolves into Swoobat.
>Kalos
Honestly not much else you could have done, but I do think Swirlix and Spritzee would have been a good fit for them.
>SM
Honestly one of their best roosters, no need to change anything, but I could definitely see James with a Morelull and Jessie with a Salandit (male).
>JN
Hattrem for James and Morgrem for Jessie. If Hattrem is to cute to get beat up every other episode, give him a Sizzlipede or a Clobbopus as his main battler. I could see either of them getting am Eiscue or a Cramorant as a comdey relief mon. Jessie could rock a Frosmoth or Cursola as well. Remove Morpeko.

>>58204942
I think Leavanny was confirmed male. The latino dub always mentions that Ash's Dragonite is female, I don't know if any other dub did this.

>>58205209
>>JN
Wouldn't it make more sense for James to catch a Galarian Wezzing?

>>58205240
There was a mystery gift event in SWSH around the time of Masters 8 that gave the players mons from Ash's team and the gift Dragonite was a female. It's not hard confirmation but it's something.

>Forgetting the gender of the Pokemon
>Not checking their pages to make sure
>Instead just lumping it in based on the dub rather than the original language
Do you fags even watch the anime at all? Or rewatch it to make sure?

>>58197104 (OP)
Should start numbering these before we lose track
>>58204234
the last thread clarified "which is fair enough, it's the new and current thing" so that could be added back, or just reword everything.
>>58198672
I'd say just include a link to /padt/
>>58203224
/ptsd/ is the will of the people

>>58205385
/vp/ is an extremely newfaggy and ignorant board.

>>58205276
It would rub me the wrong way, a G-Weezing would feel like a cheap replacement for his old friend.

>>58205461
It could work if acknowledged. Say old weezing brought the poached koffings to galar for their safety like the clones in mewtwo returns, and then one of the koffings goes with james at the end of the episode.

Based on Pokémon Horizons' current performance, how many years will it take for Ash to reappear?
> Inba : Ash will not return.
Tai from Digimon, Goku, and Natsu have returned. Nagisa and Honoka from Precure reappeared multiple times, and Yugi appeared in GX and two movies.
Ash's legacy is too big to be written out, as he is a global cultural icon.

>>58205736
5, or 10 years but it's a movie akin to DSOD from Yugioh, where it's a proper goodbye

>>58205736
2027 for the 30th anniversary. For just one special.

>>58205736
They won't want to risk an Ash return being like Tri Tai, just like they didn't introduce any new OCs in previous decades because they were worried about them being forgotten like the later Digimon and Yugioh seasons.

>>58205736
they're gonna wait a decade or so so they can age him up

https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/search/text/Ash%20goku%20conan/
Broken record.

>>58205752
>They won't want to risk an Ash return being like Tri Tai,
Tri was successful enough for Toei to produce Kizuna, The Beginning, and Beyond.
Let's be honest, we are better off with Ash than another OCs like Alain, Goh, Liko, and Roy, who lack character and have everything handed to them.

>>58202141
Its even worst when you realized Ash was insulted by Samurai for being irresponsible despite it not being his fault while nobody on XY series allowed to say Alain did anything wrong.

>>58202308
>>58206299
Why do you reply multiple times to the same post? Make the butthurt over Alain less obvious.

She deserved to show up in BW even if the anime fucked up it's timeline with Cheren being older than Bianca

>>58204131
>>58204152
is the new series boring or what?

>>58204047
>skipped Gary and the Alolan girls
>but put in Aipom, Hunter J, Angie and Macey
Dunno why that amused me so much.
In other news, does anyone actually ship Ash with anyone still? I used to years ago but nowadays I find it more fun to just keep stuff at teasing level or keep him as completely aromantic/uninterested in love.
Curious to see others' opinions.

>>58206527
It’s mid.

>>58204350
It would have been an interesting route to take honestly, specially if it was still a Wimpod when Guzman arrived, maybe could have gotten some more expansion of his backstory and relationship with his Golisopod and Team Skull.

>>58206883
For me, I like to figure out how his relationship would work with a specific character and the dynamic they could share. It's cute and it keeps my mind in a writing mood.

>>58206527
> No League
> No gym challenge
> No competition like PWC, Contest or Battle Frontier.
> Nether main characters has any actual goal.
> Any of the character catching anything feels as pointless as Goh catching a new pokemon in every episode.
> The humor is all time worst.
> The shipping are boring & forced
> The characters interaction are boring.
> Most the episode are too dialogue heavy to the point kids with short attention span will immediately drop it.
> Game characters gets no respects & Champion are treated like a joke.
> Somehow we suppose to believe Roy reached the level of a champion by training offscreen .
> Entire story is about the current OC being some heroes of justice that are more important and special than game characters & past anime characters

Horizons is an outright insult.

>>58206883
>skipped Gary and the Alolan girls
The artist has one with Gary, but I assume anon either didn't know or skipped it. There's also an Ash x Acerola art, but she's not one of the main Alola girls.

I can't understand how can someone ship Ash and fucking Koharu, they barely talked with each other

>>58206984
Worst part is when you realize the potential it had. Imagine this ending with --
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy-CYyfmO6g
> Akane is Koharu and Ranma is Ash.
> Activate CC and read the lyric as Koharu's POV.
> In this world , Professor Sakuragi's family lives with him in the mansion.
Maybe they could do that on Gen 10 with Ash freeloading at somebody's house and that guy's daughter is forced to accompany Ash in his weird adventure.

>>58206984
Koharu barely existed, she was just Eevee's taxi.

>>58206966
wtf pokemon go and it's consequences have been a disaster for the franchise

We talked a lot about Ash's team, so here's another game: if you could remove any of Ash's companions from the series' canon, who would it be?
>hard mode: no Tracey, Max, Iris, or Goh

>>58207211
Gotta be those randoms from the Ho-oh movie

>>58207211
Will second the randoms from that Ho-Oh movie and throw in Chloe too, literally did nothing and was a complete waste of time that went nowhere.

>>58206978
>There's also an Ash x Acerola art, but she's not one of the main Alola girls.
And that was quite a shame.
>>58206984
The mind of a shipper is a pathway to many mentalities some would consider... ill.
In all seriousness, don't waste time trying to understand a shipper's mind, they will ship characters from completely different series just because.
t.former shipper

>>58206966
Stopping the Explorers and destroying the Rakurium for once sounds like a goal to me.

>>58206984
If you weren't here when the World Championship aired, it was a response to Pearlshipping. Dawn came in to support Ash, he won against Leon, Koharu was impressed in battling. Then the preview after the World Championship was Koharu and Ash on a bus, and Dawn didn't get a goodbye.

Suffice to say it was shitposting, no one took it seriously except for one fag.

>>58207211
Brock in AG, it MIGHT make Max more useful.

>>58207391
Pearlshipping is pretty retarded too and I have no idea why anyone apparently takes THAT seriously.

>>58207382
There are things called the police .
In fact the villain's plan is exposed and weak that it will fall apart if one officer Jenny gets involved.

>>58207423
>I have no idea why anyone apparently takes THAT seriously.
>MC x MC flavor
>would often work together in battles
>they had Pokémon in love with each other
>took almost all protagonism to the point Brock almost gets left out of focus (though that could be blamed on the fact that he's making up for Paul being a rival and not a companion as planned)
>ended up expencing each other's main gimmicks (Ash in constests, Dawn in battles)
It's pretty standard shipping stuff some people enjoy.

>>58207547
So basically autism.

>>58207581
Welcome to the world of shipping.

Ash x any girl is only good for the corn

>>58207641
>corn
For everyone's sake on this website, I hope you meant the vegetable.

>>58204965
>my gay retard is stronger than your gay retard

>>58205390
>Should start numbering these before we lose track

I agree

>the last thread clarified "which is fair enough, it's the new and current thing" so that could be added back, or just reword everything.

Long term we don't need to have any of it at all. Explanations like that are only necessary while the thread establishes itself

>I'd say just include a link to /padt/

Not necessary or desirable

>/ptsd/ is the will of the people

So true

>>58206527

I'm this anon >>58204152 , I was referring to /padt/ not the new series which I haven't watched (and have no intention of watching)

>>58203330
Not the biggest fan of SM, but the 1st episode was peak comfy.

>>58206984
Welcome to the shipping community. Where everyone gets shipped no matter how much sense it doesn't make. Koharu was literally made to be an anti-ship to Ash.

>>58197104 (OP)
which pokemon meat do you think taste the best?

>>58207917
>Koharu was literally made to be an anti-ship to Ash.

A what?

New thread: >>58208109

/ptsd/ #4: Team Rocket edition