Thread 58199958

What the fuck is the deal with Gen 3 OU? It's all you fucking hear about these days

The phys/spec split and extra choice items ruined the game

>>58199994
Why do people parrot this? Suicune exists

>>58199958 (OP)
It's the least bad competitive format. It doesn't have a lot of good going for it, it just has less bad than VGC, Gen 9 OU, BSS, OMs, and past-gen OUs. Maybe some lower tier like Gen 9 NU is actually good, but everybody who plays those tiers avoids the wider community like the plague so nobody knows if they're actually good.

Well, the least-bad tier that you can build a team for. Battle Factory > Randbats > Gen 3 OU > the rest

>>58200022
>filtered by VGC

>>58200005
And it existed for a long time because Electric and Grass had terrible physical moves. Then Suicune eventually got Scald.

>>58200036
VGC sucks.

>>58199958 (OP)
It's been getting memed as the Melee of Pokemon.

>>58199958 (OP)
jimothy cool won

>>58200046
Suicune fell off due to power creep even with Scald. Even UU-tier Pokemon could easily break it by Gen 7. With neutral hits.
>+2 252 Atk Haxorus Outrage vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Suicune: 381-448 (94.3 - 110.8%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO

Despite getting nothing but buffs, Suicune still found its way into NUBL.

did some idiot influencer get to it

>>58200059
It is overall the most balanced OU format with a lot of room for creative team building. It has the least amount of bullshit in it since offensive threats are generally way weaker than in other gens while defensive threats don't have the recovery needed to drag games on.

>>58199958 (OP)
Well, Gen 1 OU has been talked to death and back again, Gen 2 is literally just Snorlax (and removing it actually makes the tier worse), Gen 4 is run so incompetently that they banned Machamp over UBERFLINCHHAX0R Jirachi, Gen 5 OU is just as contentious as ever, Gen 6 OU is kinda just there ngl might check it out for myself, Gen 7 OU isn't old enough to be novel yet is too new to be old, Gen 8 OU is Stall City, and Gen 9 OU is trying to wrangle itself out of being Stall City 2 in spite of the council wanting it to be Stall City 2
Gens 3 and 6 are kinda peak comp, and that's sad

>spamming switches while stalling with sand and toxic is better than VGC because I can play it on showdown

Fuck off, Showdownpoor.

>>58200079
You can play VGC on Showdown too. That's how pro VGC players test their teams.

And yes, any singles format is better than any doubles format.

>>58200078
Pretty much any official format mogs all of that slop

I wish there was a format with 1.5 mons out per side, where its not stall-y like singles ALWAYS is, but its also not unplayable like doubles where you literally never get to attack because the opponent tag-teams you every fucking time

>>58200093
There’s already a format like that. It’s called 3v3 singles. You know, the singles that exists in the actual fucking game if you bothered to check it instead of perpetually staring at smogshit.

>>58199958 (OP)
some youtubers really like it. That's it.

>>58199994
>>58200005
>>58200022
>>58200036
gen 6 is probably the best competitive format, followed closely by 5 and 7 in whichever order you prefer. I think 7 is a little too chaotic, and I think 5 is a little centralized. Regardless, some of the smogon bans were dumb and some other mons should have been banned instead. Also 3 is alright but it's very samey, much like gens 1 and 2. Gen 4 is annoying imo because pet mons get special treatment. gen 8 and 9 are both supremely gay.

>Gen 1 OU
Tauros + Chansey + Snorlax + Exeggutor + 2 choice picks. No customization for your Pokemon except for maybe 1 or 2 coverage options if you're lucky. Sleep is a OHKO. Normal is overpowered. Zapdos is overpowered but gets hardcountered by Rhydon and Golem. It's just not a fun tier at all once you get past the novelty.

>Gen 2
Snorlax meta. Everything revolves around how you pull the trigger with your Snorlax and how you can stop your enemy's Snorlax. Incredibly long games, longer than any other generation by a significant margin. Expect to wait 5 minutes to find a match and then spend the next 40 minutes playing through it.

>Gen 3
Toxic + Sand + Spikes. Tyranitar is everywhere and functions much like Gen 2 Snorlax, except it also effectively shuts off leftovers. But it has a lot of variety with what Pokemon are usable/useful, and it doesn't have Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rocks, or U-turn.

>Gen 4
It use-*flinch*-d to be a rea-*flinch*-lly good meta *flinch* once upon a ti-*full para*-me. But then the *flinch* OU council decided *flinch* that Jirachi and Lati-*full para*-as should be in the tier, but *hit myself in confusion* Machamp had to be *flinch* banned because *full para* the RNG bullshit was get-*hit myself in confusion*-ting out of hand.

>Gen 5
Weather wars and VoltTurn. Last gen before Fairy was added, though, so that's a plus.

>Gen 6
Insane power creep rendered most old OU staples useless. Very stall-focused due to Fairy types, especially Clefable, and hazard stacking is the entire meta. To the point where Cofagrigus is actually one of the best Pokemon in the tier because of its positive matchup into Excadrill, the best hazard remover in the tier.

>Gen 7
Fuck Z-moves. Also, fuck Magearna, Ash-Greninja, and Toxapex.

>Gen 8
Actually not that bad after all the bans. Still one of the slowest tiers, but there are a lot of unusual Pokemon like Kingler, Nidoking, and so on that have genuine OU viability due to all the defensive cores.

Is this the showdown cope thresd since their getting C&D when champions release

>>58200114
>Gen 4 is annoying imo because pet mons get special treatment.
Gen 4 OU makes me feel disgusted at myself for liking Steel types because clearly some dysgenic moderator likes their Heatrans and Jirachis.

It’s the generation of competitive that feels the best from an actual competitive standpoint
Good amount of creativity allowed that aren’t weighed down by staples while the staple teams are all reliable
Less bullshit items, moves, abilities etc
Besides baton pass stuff lol

>>58200118
GF can C&D Showdown if they want, but the SCOTUS has ruled that simulators are fair use. As long as Smogon didn't use Game Freak's assets they would be legally fine. All they'd have to do is rename everything and change up the sprites and then offer a mod on the side that reverts the changes and they'd be legally in the clear.

There's nothing Game Freak can do to stop Showdown other than offering a service so good that nobody would bother using Showdown.

I actually think Gen 9 is overhated. After all of the bans, it's actually in a really good state that feels fun to play and has a lot of room for creativity with lower tier Pokemon. I reached top 1,000 on the ladder with Alolan-Muk a couple of months ago since it countered a lot of the prominent threats at the time. The meta is still developing, too. But IMO, the tier would be much better if Kingambit, Gholdengo, Iron Valiant, Zamazenta, and Raging Bolt got banned.

>>58200124
No one is playing some fringe showdown clone eith fake names and fan made sprites, smogegro, it's over.

>>58200128
>banfag
why do you even bother spreading your negativity? OU needs less bans not more!

>>58200124
>As long as Smogon didn't use Game Freak's assets they would be legally fine.
they actually already make their own sprites and even animated 3d models occasionally nowadays so lmao

>>58200132
I'm willing to reckon most of the playerbase would stay with the exception of VGC-fags who would use Pokemon Champions. It wouldn't be a clone, it'd be the same website with some slightly altered names with an easy reversion patch.

>>58200128
ban tera.

>>58200133
I can't think of a single tier that wouldn't be improved by bans except for Anything Goes.

>>58200142
Gen 9 alone would be so much better if Volc and Bax were unbanned, much less non-Stellar Terapagos

>>58200135
There's also the April Fool's Day sprites.

>>58200153
Unbanning non-Stellar Terapagos would actually be the only good unban Smogon could do. The tier could use a really good spinner, and it's not like it'd run away with games like its Terastal version would.

>>58200156
>pedobear hypno
it was a different time. Wait, this is recent?

>>58200153
Why the fuck would you unban some of the most broken Tera abusers? Baxcalibur is more broken than Palafin is.

>>58200172
Defense has grown too strong my bitch

>>58200166
If it doesn't say -old, it hasn't been replaced.

>>58200156
>inteleon

>>58200156
I just looked at the list, some of these are hilarious lmao.

>>58199994
Correct. Every gen after 3 was just powercreep with zero balance. That combined with gen 3 just having the perfect software code for autists to obsess about makes it eternally entertaining.

>>58200198
Gens 6-9 are more balanced than any prior since that's when GF started taking competitive seriously and VGC kicked off. Gen 3 is not balanced just because some contrived fanmade ruleset managed to force some semblance of it.

>>58200022
BSS mogs all of those

>>58200082
>And yes, any singles format is better than any doubles format.
fuck you smogon doubles is great

>>58200209
>Gens 6-9
>VGC kicked off

>>58200156
>inteleon-gmax
fucking lmao

>>58200059
Wouldn't Gen4(Plat/HGSS) be that?

>>58200068
C'mon Deoxys. My alien boy needs some buffs.

>>58200607
no, gen 4 is currently the Brawl of Pokemon

>>58200114
>Mega gen
>Good
Lmao at this smogonbird tard.
Gen 3 is beloved because it has a good balance. Hyper offense isn't retarded yet, stall is weakened by perma sand, it's a good balanced meta that isn't super swingy like Gen 4 on.
That said Gen 1 was the best competitive Gen and it's been downhill since.

>>58200619
...which is better than melee
you do know that, right? so why would gen 4 ou, riddled with flinch-hax and mod abuse, be better than gen 3 ou?

>>58200631
Megas are either just a new evolution, effectively (stuff like lopunny or gardevoir) or an interesting sidegrade that you have to keep in mind (gyarados, charizard x vs y, lati@s, etc). Balanced teams are the most common team option. Weather was rightfully nerfed but still viable. The top tier threats have major weaknesses that can be exploited. You have a ton of flexibility in teambuilding. It's very fun.

>>58200632
no, saying something is like Melee is implying it’s very competitive and skillful, whereas saying something like Brawl implies the opposite.

>>58200746
>melee
>skillful
fox only final destination isn't skillful jackass, and neither is gen 4 ou
the average meta knight player has more skill and experience than even the most devoted melee jigglypuff main
now fuck off and play your stallfagging flinchfest

>>58199958 (OP)
Gen III is peak, that's why

>>58200118
>C&D an open source project.

For what fucking purpose? Official server will be closed, 20 different alternatives will appear and Omgon will go to the most popular one.
There's also an option to just strip the game from all the official assets and branding and let people load it as external package that will be distributed on Omgon forums or Groomcord.

>>58200749
Didn't Donkey Kong win a major in the last year?

>>58199958 (OP)
Gen 9 is the most soulless meta we've ever had. May as well play older metas and remember when the game used to be fun.

>>58200075
>It has the least amount of bullshit in it
It also has unstoppable sand raging at all times which sucks balls.

>>58201136
>what is Rain Dance

>>58200156
>Hoopa and Hoopa-U
heh

>>58201136
>It also has unstoppable sand raging at all times which sucks balls.
t. Blissey

>>58200156
Some of these are genuinely hilarious. If I ran into Unknown-L on Randbats I would shit myself with laughter.

>>58199958 (OP)
Speedpass was banned last night so it's over now.

>>58200068
Damn, that's fucked, seems ogerpon is gatekeeping the water type altogether like knock off and u turn does for psychics

>>58200607
Smogon sweatlords retroactively ruined it along with a lot of other past gen metas.

>>58200051
how does that image somehow show that VGC would suck?
it shows how while there are clearly strong pokemon and that there is a meta, while still no single team composition of the exact same 6 mons it dominating whatsoever, and aside from 2 mons that are on over half of the teams (csr & incin), simply most of the mons are used by only a quarter of the players or less in this image you included in your reply.
are you stupid? is the image supposed to show that there are some strong pokemon? you wanna imagine a pokemon competitive format where in a top 20 you will not find a couple clearly popular ones in there? that is retarded.

you can even see how the top few of teams are composed of almost entirely mons with lesser usage rate within the top 20.
consider yourself owned

>>58200852
Yeah. The other guy’s an idiot.

>>58200117
Jimothy cool get off /vp/

>>58201799
Ogerpon is gatekeeping Rain. Water types are still holding on strong in OU otherwise. Walking Wake, Alomomola, Dondozo, and Araquanid are still very viable in OU.

Manaphy is probably what's gatekeeping Suicune out of UU. Keldeo definitely doesn't help since it does more or less the same thing as Suicune.

>>58202202
This is amazing, folks.

in a just world wolfe would be a niche youtuber and the pokemon company would be distributing jimothy's muk and tweeting this is insane folks

>>58203061
Jimothy is more washed than Wolfe, he wouldn’t be winning an official any time soon. But we still love him in spite of that.

>>58199958 (OP)
Gen 9 is a clownfest

>>58199958 (OP)
Why don't you gays just pick any random pokemen you like, and move you think sound or look cool for them.
What ruins these games is all the gay strategy, min-maxing, and the need to win, and climb up the ranks. Meta-playing is the gayest shit, and every game has it. Once you get into this shit you've ruined the game.
Same thing with Age of Empires. I've always just done what I thought looked cool, and was fun, then a friend of mine starting explain the meta to me, and playing like a meta fag, so the game became impossible to win, so I got into it, and what do you know? I started hating a game I've loved for 20+ years. Congratulations.
Just have fun you gays.

>>58203187
You're right, compfags are the worst. It's funny telling them the latest version they are forced to play is shit and an older version is better. It makes them mad.

>>58200068
>252+ Atk Life Orb Rampardos Head Smash vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Suicune: 372-438 (92 - 108.4%) -- 50% chance to OHKO
le zu tier pokemon can OHKO suicune with neutral STAB, guess it should be untiered

>>58202737
Yeah, it is outclassed heavily by acid armor + take heart mana

>>58203187
you can enjoy playing with your favorites in singleplayer, you can enjoy playing competitively and trying to win, and you can enjoy trying to make less optimal pokemon work in specific teams or exploiting specific niches that are unpopular or otherwise uncommon on mons you like or find interesting. If you think any strategy games are gay then you've been consuming way too much onions in your diet. Playing to win has been an appealing way to play a game for literally all of human history, and you're the anomaly.

>>58203999
I like playing to win on the fly, off the seat of my pants. No prep work. I like you to teach me checkers, and play it and win. Reading the checkers wiki for the best opening moves and whatever the fuck just ruins it and is a gay way of winning.

>>58204029
I take it you think chess is gay and lame too, then?

>>58204052
Stop comparing pokemon (a children's game) to chess (a respected game of the world) so you can make yourself feel normal about being hyper autistic about the rules surrounding said children's game. Nobody worth anything respects what happens on pokemon showdown or smogon.

>>58202034
They're irrational. If every Pokemon was 100% unique across all teams they'd complain VGC has too diverse a meta prepare for. It's hate for the format itself/doubles being described behind "the teams are too similar" (when they aren't).

>>58204503
Goalposts status: moved. Why does the origin of a game affect whether taking it seriously is fun or not?

>>58200117
if snorlax, zapdos and raikou got banned I bet gen 2 would be a really good format.

gen 3ers are the genwunners of modern day.

>>58203187
There's 2 kinds of players.
The ones who hate to lose, and try their hardest to get better so that they won't lose again.
And the ones who hate to lose, and get angry at everyone else who's better than them for trying too hard to win.

>>58200749
>the average (brawl) meta knight player has more skill
Do people even play brawl after Nintendo got all anal about fanmade smash tournaments?

>>58204052
>you think chess is gay
Didn't a dude get banned for having a buttplug in mid-match?

>>58204895
>there's two kinds of players
Three. You, the retard who doesnt take the game as seriously (your team), and the faggot that treats the game way more seriously than any rational person with actual responsibilities would (may not actually be better than you)

>>58199958 (OP)
Autistic kids grew up with this, that's it
Anything new scares them

>>58204928
Both of those statements are wrong but that's le epic maymay that got circulated.

>>58205003
completely wrong

>>58204895
well said
smogonites are the latter as well

>>58203070
you can't be washed up if you were never that good in the first place

>>58204895
there's also the people who enjoy playing it competitively regardless of win or loss... I would wager most competitive players fall into this camp.

>>58206005
He can’t get to 1400

>>58204052
Chess is cool when you just sit down and play it with whatever is in your head already. I don't know about all the gay ass strategies people memorize before-hand. Games are not gay when you play with your soul and strategizing on the spot. It gets gay when you read the wiki, and watch YT videos with the meta and best strategies. That whole min-maxing bullshit is gay as fuck. souvless. Play it with your heart you faggots.

>>58207014
what an idiot

>>58207027
You're an idiot. I'm confident enough to do anything without prior prep because I'm great at life. You need to "learn da game" because you're a fag.

>>58207059
You just have adhd and are coping by claiming everyone who likes thinking about these things for more than a fleeting moment are tryhard losers. What an idiot.

>>58204863
t. Cloyster

>>58207449
You are a tryhard loser, and you manage to make something that was fun into a lame ass, gay, nerdy, bullshit, souless, lifeless thing any sane person would look at in utter disgust if you tried to explain all the meta faggotry to.
Just make a party with 6 Charizards and spam flamethrower and hope for the best. Fuck it. But nah, you gotta do a spiky floor, and then a magic baton, and then a swap, and a sunny day, then a rigamaroll, and flippidie doo, and then you can kill everyone with a Caterpie. Fuck that shit.

>>58207849
imagine if you applied this trynot attitude to everything else in your life lol, that'd teach you what loserdom's really like

>>58207849
Local autist mad other people enjoy planning

OU through the years ranked:
Good
>Gen 7
>Gen 3
Okay
>Gen 6
>Gen 8
>Gen 2
Hilarious Broken Jank Bullshit
>Gen 4
>Gen 1
Unplayable
>Gen 5
>Gen 9

>>58208919
>Unplayable
>>Gen 5
gen 5 was incredibly fun what are you talking about?

>>58207849
I agree with you, metafags and no life’s ruin the fun of casual games.

>>58209871
Dragons and weather are gay

>>58209947
Weather wars were kino. It had a ton of mons that were viable because of the circumstances of what other mons were viable only. Politoed letting Tentacruel ve relevant, Jellicent countering rain teams, Ninetales allowing mons like Venusaur to pop up, sandstacking with both tar and don, you could run nonsense like beartic, reuniclus was good on hail of all things, toxicroak had a niche, etc. Teambuilding was insanely varied and every team felt coherent and cohesive. Though I will admit I prefer pre-bw2 metagame, stuff like the therian forms and cube were less interesting imo. Torn-t was cool but not worth the mess that he causes you know. I'm honestly surprised more people don't like pre-bw2 bwou.
I want the weather wars back so bad...

>>58208919
Gen VIII will be forgotten and rotten while everyone rational will never look back at Dynamax without a care in the world

Is OU or natdex more popular nowadays? I always figured smogonites would prefer natdex but I have heard most people refer to OU even these howevermany years on from dexit.

>>58208919
you're an alola zoomer calling anything else broken jank bullshit

>>58208919
gen 7 ou sucked ass

>>58210197
It, and pretty much everything bar gen 2, are better than 8, and thats all that matters
even then, id still put 2 above 8

>>58200156
Iron thorns should've just been a regular ferrothorm sprite

>>58210098
Smaller sample size, NatDex is too fucking big for people to care anymore. You can really run anything you want in OU as long as it's not banned though

thread over?

>>58211208
no, I'm sure that autist will reply again soon.

>>58210068
finally another weather wars enjoyer. i remember watching a video where someone had blastoise on one of his teams, i think it was either a sand or rain team, specifically to outbulk and outheal common rain threats with its rain dish (iirc) ability. incredibly fun format.

>>58210098
I think OU has always been the more popular format, it sounds hypocritical but in my experience NatDex feels too fanfic-y, moreso than abiding with smogon's house rules for OU

>>58201309
>vanillish
lmao

>>58200078
Gen 6 is the one I played most at the time in(breeding Pokemon being so easy was a big part of this). It felt pretty balanced, even with stuff like Talonflame running around. Admittedly, I haven't gone back to play it in a long time.
Megas needing a turn to get their speed boost was better than them getting it instantly.