Thread 58208109

Team Rocket edition

/padt/ is completely dominated by Horizons chat. Talk about the 1,339 original series episodes and associated 23 movies here without butting into and disrupting the discussion of Horizons.

>Pokémon TV on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/@OfficialPoke%CC%81monTV

Previous: >>58197104

>>58208109 (OP)
Is this the actual /padt/ (the one before SuMo) or is this being made by the same faggots who watch horizon?

>>58208109 (OP)
Dub is the superior version to watch. Who cares about some nothing burger parts that get lost in the translation?

/ptsd/ #1: Exploratory edition: >>58112297

/ptsd/ #2: Angry Ash edition: >>58179130

/ptsd/ #3: Fried Karp edition: >>58197104

An anon on the previous thread >>58205390 brought up the good point that we should start numbering these before we lose track so I've done that.

This thread is /ptsd/ #4

I'm unsure about the 1,339 count of episodes cited in the OP but I decided to leave it as is for now. The exact count of episodes depends on whether the people counting are including banned and/or unaired episodes or ones that for any other reason are sometimes left out of the count.

>>58208114
So far it's mostly been the former, people who used to post on the pre-SM /padt/. That seems to be the vibe of the past few threads.

I'm not the anon who made the original 2 threads but it appears to originate from outside the current /padt/

>>58208116
The dub is the only version that's fully complete. The ashnime has never been fulled subtitled.

7th for BOOBUR

>>58208116
Pokemon really is that rare case where the dub is better than the sub.

>>58208179
Your nostalgia autism is not the same as quality.

appreciate the idea of the thread but cant stand that TPCI have tried to rebrand the older seasons of the show as "Pokemon the Series" when they were never called that at the time, and thus cannot approve of the thread's title

>>58208142
Nah, there's way too much newfaggotry here for that.

>>58208226
Misty is only tolerable in the dub

>Dub vs sub catfights again
>Metafaggotry
What's the point in a seperate thread if you're dragging the cancer here with you?

>>58208234
>cant stand that TPCI have tried to rebrand the older seasons of the show as "Pokemon the Series" when they were never called that at the time

I don't like it either but it's not as recent a phenomenon as it may seem at first glance. It's old news and nothing new. They started using "Pokémon the Series" all the way back in 2013, 12 years ago, when the X&Y anime first came out. Its full title was Pokémon the Series: XY.

>and thus cannot approve of the thread's title

I don't like the "the series" part either but A) it's clear what we're talking about, i.e. everything before Horizons came out whether they be episodes, films, specials, Chronicles etc. and B) /ptsd/ was by far the most popular name and what almost everyone wanted it to be called. It's a perfect name so I'm willing to put up with the less than ideal terminology.

>>58208234
Yeah, that too. Are people even supposed to know what that means? Nobody actually uses that term.

James become my favorite after Holy Matrimony. James would have made a fine trainer.

>>58208234
I don't approve it either, but that acronym is extremely fitting.

>>58208266
This. Why is it suddenly beneath you faggots to go back to /padt/ when you're doing the same shit it got hated for over the last six to seven years?

>>58208346

Is our 1 thread interrupting your daily dose of 50 thinly veiled pornography threads? What a tragedy.

One thing i wish the anime did was give Ash another goal in life. Gary wants to become a professor, Paul wants to become a gym leader, hell if Journeys had Ash go "Maybe ill become field researcher for all the professors" it could have been a cool idea and would still let him travel the world.

>>58208380
Sure, deflect to the shitty porn threads but to justify one more shot thread to spread your schizoposting.

>>58208380
Not the point the anon was making, the point is we aren't here to fight about sub or dub or complain about meta shit. Its discussing the Ashime. Last thread there was a big chunk just talking about trannies in a discord, which is something you could have done in padt.

>>58208383
Yeah, they really should have given Ash another goal when his final story was on its way. I don't really see Ash as the stationary Champion. Could have mirrored Cynthia in her own studies, actually Cynthia could have inspired Ash in another goal after their battle.

>>58208416
>the point is we aren't here to fight about sub or dub
/vp/ isn't your personal board. If people want to discuss the different versions then they're free to do so. They don't need your permission

>Last thread there was a big chunk just talking about trannies in a discord
For some reason you're leaving out the most important piece of information. An anon in the previous thread asked where they can watch the entire series. Another poster recommended that if they're looking for the dub to look in various places. Relevant to this is that that poster said if you're looking for subtitled versions of the Japanese release then to avoid SOSSubs fansubs.

Someone asked this anon why SOS should be avoided and they responded by listing some of the issues: poor translations, strange and annoying spelling choices and the evident trannyness of the way they chose to translate the dialogue, especially pronouns. For anyone who didn't read the previous thread, start here:
>>58197535
>>58198624
>>58203615
>>58203776

These "trannies in a discord server" are the SOS (Sea of Serenity) Subs fansub group.

One poster saw the discussion and posted screenshots from their discord server that went a long way towards explaining why their subs are ass and should be avoided. The icon of their discord server is the tranny flag and they have an entire channel devoted to tranny shit, "a safe place to talk about all things Pride and LGBT+ community. :)". Furthermore the anon with access to their discord server posted screenshots of their translator and subtitler akiko / bumblyumbly, who has singlehandedly subbed all of their Pokémon releases, writing wall of text essays talking about whether pokémon "can be queer" and whether they are homosexual.

As one anon observed, it was a good showcase of how poor quality the subs are as their translator doesn't understand basic grammar.

>>58208420
MPM could have been about Ash catching up with his friends and getting inspired by them all finding other hobbies/jobs to find something he wants to do, hell the last episode with Gary kind of had that "what are you going to do after becoming a pokemon master" vibe

>>58208435
Nta but then provide an alternative for subs. This became more about their policies rather than the factual translations.

>>58208383
>Ash go "Maybe ill become field researcher for all the professors"

That part of being given a pokédex was pretty much forgotten about. Ash already basically was a field researcher for the professors.

>>58208435
>SOSSubs part
Oh thats fair then, my mistake anon.

>>58208446
I'm not the anon who first brought up SOS Subs and recommended against them in the last thread here >>58198624 but I agree with what they said.

>Nta but then provide an alternative for subs.
You say that as if there even is an alternative. That's the point anon, there isn't. Until SOS started subbing from the very beginning large parts of the anime were completely without any subs regardless of quality. For hundreds of episodes the only subs are from SOS. And that's where the frustration comes from, it's not there is an alternative you can use short of learning the language yourself.

>This became more about their policies rather than the factual translations.
You either didn't read it or didn't understand what you were reading. It's about both. The people running SOS Subs fansub group are a load of mentally ill LGBT types. That doesn't mean they aren't able to translate accurately. Mental illness and Japanese language ability are not mutually exclusive. However, as another anon pointed out in the last thread (which you would know if you had actually read it), their translations are shit as demonstrated by the screenshot which shows akiko / bumblyumbly who is the one who has singlehandedly done all translation and subtitling on the project talking nonsense and and demonstrating that she (it? they?) don't understand basic Japanese grammar which leads to them inserting tranny headcanon psychosexual analysis into pokémon battle moves.

The translations aren't factual because they are simultaneously handicapped by lack of ability in the Japanese language and also negatively influenced by their LGBT tranny mental illness politics. Where their Japanese ability lacks they are substituting their mental illness.

>>58203899
>>58204062

>>58208444
Ash could have joined international police after seeing Latios distrust towards him that didn't fade away because of a poacher. Specially if current writers wants to write serious stories about heroes of justice fighting forces of evil.

>>58208435
>>58208463
Anon who first brought it up here. If there were alternative subs for all of OS and AG, I would've recommended it. I mentioned avoiding SOSSubs for all the reasons listed because I don't want to see a bad fansub sour many people's perception of the anime's Japanese version and it needs to be brought up lest discussion in the future adds more unnecessary confusion thanks to them.
I tried watching one of episodes SOSSubs did, a Pikachu short to be exact, and I had to stop after 2 minutes because the mishandling of pronouns made it difficult to read and killed all enjoyment I would've had watching.

>>58208596
Just watch the raws like we all did.

Ash and Misty are my parents

For me:
1. Lara Laramie / Tyra (Biker gang girl);/ Giselle
2. Chigusa ( Hitmontop girl)
3. Kelly ( May's rival)
4. Francesca ( Magician girl)
5. Georgia
6. Miette

If Journeys never happened and Ash actually traveled Galar, who would you like to be the companions? Personally the combo of Ash, Sonia and Milo seems ti work out nicely.
>Ash: in order to battle Leon, he plans to go through the gyms and get familiar with Galar's pokemon and their fighting style.
>Sonia: Kicked out of the lab by Magnolia to finish her thesis, she offers Ash exclusive info on Leon in exchange for escorting her to various sites around galar for her research.
>Milo: Simple farm boy who wants to explore Galar's popular locations as his first vacation. Also doubles as the group's caretaker.
I'd like to see your opinions.

>>58208267
>I don't like the "the series" part either but A) it's clear what we're talking about, i.e. everything before Horizons came out whether they be episodes, films, specials, Chronicles etc.
That doesn't even make sense, since Horizons is still called "The Series", while the movies, specials and Chronicles aren't.

>>58209003
I like the idea of Sonia, even if she is older. As much I love Gloria, Marnie, Victor, Bede and Hop I think they all deserve to be rivals. Maybe bring back Dawn because of BDSP, or Serena.

>>58209385
>Maybe bring back Dawn because of BDSP, or Serena.

>>58208698
Did that too and for now until there's a worthwhile fansub or the pipe dream of official subs, that's my recommendation. Raw + dub + read summaries and comparisons, just like in the good ol' days.

>>58209607
They don't want you to remember the missing episodes and especially not Dennou Senshi Porygon or the Safari Zone one where the guy had a gun. They'd rather you, filthy Westerner, watch the 4kids versions.

>>58209637
They don't want me to remember the GS Ball either and look where that ended up.

>>58209607
>Raw + read summaries and comparisons, just like in the good ol' days.
Fixed that for you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiQ7_oQv9tg
>They unceremoniously laid off the main movie writer and others during XY
Well that tracks

>>58209698
Welcome to 2014...?

>>58209727
Was that common knowledge? I had never heard of this guy before now.

>>58209739
>Was that common knowledge?
Yes?
>I had never heard of this guy before now.
Holy newfag

>>58209746
Come off it, I believe it probably would be in the anime general's little bubble but even most diehard pokemon autists don't know the names and roles of the japanese staff of the show specifically outside of like Shudo.

>>58209757
Where do you think you are?

>>58209727
>>58209746
>something that just got properly explained today
>"dood it was obvious"
All everyone knew back then was that most of the original anime writers left after XY. Nobody knew nor assumed that it had to do with a producer replacing the last one and laying them off.

Foh with that smartass shit.

How would the Team Rocket Trio vs. The Explorer episode have been handled? I can totally see Jessie and Sango shouting at each other while James and Onyx tries to pull them away.

What do you think about Mela's potential as a lead girl? I was surprised at how young she appeared in the 2nd DLC, as if she lost five years of her life suddenly.

>>58210380
>What do you think about Mela's potential as a lead girl?
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

>>58209003
Not so sure about gym leader companions. Gyms in Galar are way too important, I don't think Milo can just tell a brother to take care of it while he's gone like Brock and Cilan did

>>58209003
It'd be Hop and Marnie, with Bede as the rival.

>>58210463
>>58209003
Gordie and Bea/Allister are right there. We all know TPC would never be based enough for the /ss/ Melony travel companion.

>>58209003
Easy pissy
Ash, Gloria and Alister.

>>58210484
Oh yeah there's a "minor league", I forgot.

>>58210463
True, i guess Ash has to destroy Milo's gym then. No gym, no job.

>>58210135
>I can totally see Jessie and Sango shouting at each other while James and Onyx tries to pull them away.
That would be a fun episode. But i think it's been made clear that the staff working on horizons don't want to touch anything that has to do with Ash. Also i think it would've been better for you if you had asked this question in /padt/ instead of here. This place is for the original series discussion.

>>58210484
>Sonia who see's a shota Leon in Ash
>Melony whose sad Gordie is leaving the house so she moms the next "son" she finds
That would be too powerful anon!

>>58210586
>it's been made clear that the staff working on horizons don't want to touch anything that has to do with Ash.
More like they are afraid that they won't able to give special treatments to their precious OC if they follow Ashnime rule and has to make them earn thing though effort & merit.

>>58210135
Fuuuck i just realized we missed out on a kino TR vs Klara and Avery episode.

When does hoenn get good? 15 episodes in and theres no memorable episodes yet. And he hasn't even challenged the first gym yet, wtf? Does the entire series have johto pacing? I'm tempted to just watch the league episodes and then skip to XY and S&M

>>58208383
Yeah, that could have been a good idea. They knew Journeys would be Ash's final season, so why not bring in the rival named after one of the franchise's founders (Shigeru Miyamoto)?
Goh was never particularly beloved, not even by Japanese children, who are the series' primary target audience, so they weren't taking that big of a risk by making Gary/Shigeru a co-protagonist. Man, the story writes itself, It's just so easy to write a scene between those two. But it seems like Pokémon is allergic to good ideas.

>>58210639
Define "good."
I always saw classic anime as a comfy, slow paced show where they just explore the world, so in that regard Hoenn is pretty good. If not then i guess just watch episodes where they catch, evolve pokemons and the gym battles. The movies are pretty kino too.

>>58210686
>Define "good."
Unique or creative ideas, setpieces or jokes
E.g.
Sabrina's episodes
A lot of other early Kanto episodes like with the random giant Dragonite, the one with subbed Pokemon speech, or the lavender town episode
The episode where a shota asks to suck Kasumi's breasts
The episode where the protagonists do the team rocket intro
Sounansu and the robber episode

Or good/emotional character stories, these wre rare but at minimum theres the 3 team rocket backstory episodes, the island of nyarth (meowth) and the pidgey flies to space episode

Sadly those higher quality episodes get rarer as it goes on and hoenn seems like more of the same as johto.

The battles are all random nonsense where the writers can't keep anything consistent, and also slideshows, I know this gets fixed by XY which is one of the reason why that's the one I want to skip to

>>58210731
Hoenn feels more like May's story than Ash's until battle frontier. Ash doesn't have a rival in this series, his main ace doesn't evolve until post league and his gym battles are mostly forgettable except maybe Tate and Lizas for thunder armor ass pull.
Visually, hoenn is when towns become copy pastes of eachother and the characters start to suffer from same face syndrome so it's not as appealing there either.
There are some interesting episodes, two godzilla refrence episodes involving a rare candy that turns pokemons into giants, Harley is a massive cunt to May and theres an episode where Max finds a clone of himself also named Max.
I say skip to Sinnoh since Ash and Dawn bounce off eachother more naturally and the focus is divided better between Dawn's contests and Ash's rivalry with Paul. The battles are still slideshow but the gym battles are varieties of good (except maybe Crasher wake, that ones forgettable).

Rewatching the Ash and Marnie fight. The sexual tension is insane

>>58208151
Magmar had so much aura it pretty much became a staple in Blaines team after Gen 1. Glad the Anime director made Magmar Blaine signature Mon.

>>58208142
>people who used to post on the pre-SM /padt/
Didn't those people move to /a/ and are the ones doing the Pokemon 2023 threads there now?

>>58210639
>Does the entire series have johto pacing?
Not really, it's in-between Kanto and Johto. Like Kanto, AG has another arc after Hoenn in the Battle Frontier, but Hoenn does have more episodes than Kanto and Orange combined, which may feel slower, but the addition of Contests help keep things interesting.
>I'm tempted to just watch the league episodes and then skip to XY and S&M
Watch the Contest episodes too, in fact, just watch the Contests and Battle Frontier instead of the League.

>>58209003
Imagine this triangle

Sonia wants to bang Ash
Hop wants to bang Sonia
Hop also has repressed feelings for Ash

>>58210484
Bea would be an interesting choice as a hypothetical companion since she's been shown travelling around to train sometimes, so her tagging along with Ash would fit well, especially if their first encounters goes in a way that makes Bea realize Ash in an experienced trainer that could help her improve somehow.
>spoiler
I will be honest, as amusing as it would be for Melony to travel around with Ash and dotting on him (and potentially his other companion), I can't really think of many reasons for her to ditch her gym to follow some kid and his rat around the region.

Just curious: are most people here not actually watching Horizons? For those who don't, is it mainly because Ash is gone, or it's for other reasons too OTHER than Ash?

>Talk about the original series
>Does the opposite and even starts off by discussing posters
Sasuga, task failed successfully.

>>58212077
The lack of Ash is actually the best part, we needed a fully rotating main cast for decades.
I'm not watching because I hate SV, it doesn't look all that good, and one of my least favorite Pokémon is a major character. I gave it a try when Pokémon livestreamed the first two episodes and found Liko annoying. I tried again when they streamed the first two episodes of The Search for Laqua and got very bored while watching.
I still read summaries every now and then like I've had when I dropped the tv series many years ago.

>>58212077

> No League
> No gym challenge
> No competition like PWC, Contest or Battle Frontier.
> Nether main characters has any actual goal.
> Any of the character catching anything feels as pointless as Goh catching a new pokemon in every episode.
> The humor is all time worst.
> The shipping are boring & forced
> The characters interaction are boring.
> Most the episode are too dialogue heavy to the point kids with short attention span will immediately drop it.
> Game characters gets no respects & Champion are treated like a joke.
> Somehow we suppose to believe Roy reached the level of a champion by training offscreen .
> Entire story is about the current OC being some heroes of justice that are more important and special than game characters & past anime characters

There are many many reasons, Horizonfags just blame Ash for everything just like they did with past series.

>>58212251
>The lack of Ash is actually the best part, we needed a fully rotating main cast for decades.
No we didn't because this ain't Yugioh and Digimon where heroes of justice fights forces of evil every series. Pokemon anime was always more character driven SOL adventure anime which survives because of the popularity of their characters.

>>58212261
>Pokemon anime was always more character driven SOL adventure anime
Yes, and? I'd like to see someone else besides Ash having an animated adventure with Pokémon. Ash was good back in Kanto and some of the movies, but it gets tiring following the same character for many, many, many years with how the tv anime handled its stories. Even if I don't like Liko and Roy, their journey did shake things up and I hope that we get a new cast in the next series and said series is good enough to watch and follow its airing.
Funny you brought up Yugioh because GX had some great character driven SOL in its first two seasons. Made the payoff in seasons 3 and 4 worth it.

>>58208596
It all really makes me miss the old PM / Pocket Monsters fansub group. They were well appreciated at the time, but I don't think we appreciated just how good we had it with those guys. I miss them. Their work was very high quality.

>>58209698
Yeah even without any outside or background knowledge it's pretty apparent that the people making the anime before and after the end of X&Y were very different groups of people.

>>58211178
We didn't all have a meeting and decide to collectively to X or Y thing. People moved off in all different directions. Some did go to /a/, others didn't.

>>58212077
>are most people here not actually watching Horizons?
I'm not and have no intention of watching it either.

>For those who don't, is it mainly because Ash is gone, or it's for other reasons too OTHER than Ash?
Nah it has nothing to do with Ash's departure. If anything that would make me more likely to wach it, not less.

For me it's moreso that I don't like the direction they've been going since at least the end of XY and beginning of SM era and the modern stuff has just continued in the same wrong direction. I'd go back further and say I haven't liked the direction since BW, excepting XY, but it's not quite as much.

My attitude towards the BW era is that some of it was bad idea, bad execution and some of it was good idea, bad execution. While everything post-XY has been bad idea, bad execution.

I couldn't give you an exact formula for what would make the perfect anime or exactly what it would take for me to start caring again, but broadly speaking what they did was interfere too much with the golden goose. The people they used to have working on the anime were good and knew what they were doing. It always suffered from micromanagement but BW was the peak and it showed. With XY they lessened that a bit and just let them cook, however minor the leeway was, and it had excellent results.

Less micromanaging, and more just letting competent people cook. But I am aware that that's never going to happen. They would have to be truly desparate for that to happen and that isn't happening any time soon with how well the past few generations of utterly shit, buggy slop games they've shat out have been selling.

They could put out a Pokémon anime that was literally a blank screen with no sound for 30 minutes an episode and people would still watch it and sing its praises.

Y'know, after reading >>58208383 something dawned on me: is there any real way to address that whole thing about "a Pokémon Master is being friends with all Pokémon" without royally shitting on it?

The more I entertain it, the more impossible it becomes for me not to notice its rather obvious flaws.

>"The world is too big, how is Ash gonna accomplish it?"
>"Ash has already faced irredeemably evil Pokémon, wouldn’t that render his goal null?"
>"MPM ended with Ash failing to become friends with that one Latios, who no-sold his attempts at befriending him. Why in the fuck would he be determined to be friends with everyone?"
>"And even if the character hasn’t realised the flaws yet, the writers can’t just ignore it entirely if they bring him back, right?"

We all know the meta truth about what a Pokémon Master is (aka nobody at TPC or OLM knows), and what MPM offered was just a copout for the writers to retire Ash without sounding cynical or contradictory about it. So, yeah, it’s pretty much impossible for me to ever address the mess it is in writing, without coming off as wanting to shit on Ash and force him to try something else.

Have other anons thought about that?

>>58212436
>We all know the meta truth about what a Pokémon Master is (aka nobody at TPC or OLM knows)
Is that the case though? Have they ever come out and actually said that? I've never heard of it, but if it is actually in writing anywhere I'd be interested to read it. Was this information part of the big leak not too long ago?

As far as I see it there are 2 possibilities:

1) Whoever came up with the concept of a "pokémon master", whether it be an individual or group of people who were working on the series, did so while not having a clue what that would actually be. If that's the case they most likely intended to worry about the details later, and come up with what it was actually supposed to be at some point later on down the line. Only that never really happened.

2) Whoever came up with the concept did actually know what it was supposed to do. If this is the case then they at least privately, personally know what they intended it to mean when they came up with it. In this scenario I imagine the core staff early on would have probably known the intention even if they didn't make that clear to everyone else.

If Takeshi Sudo was still alive it's one of the things I'd love to see him answer, what did you actually mean by "pokémon master"? Was it an intentionally vague mystery box to later be filled in when someone came up with an idea good enough, or did you already know?

What they eventually came up with was... less than satisfying to say the least. It honestly would have been better to leave it vague than how it ended up turning out.

>>58212308
>I'd like to see someone else besides Ash having an animated adventure with Pokémon
You mean a new mary sue that gets everything handed them for wish fulfillment fantasy.

>Ash was good back in Kanto and some of the movies,
You can say that exact same thing about every long running anime characters.

>but it gets tiring following the same character for many, many, many years with how the tv anime handled its stories.
I wonder if you Horizonfags ever watched anything outside Yugioh . Majority of long running TV show remains popular because they use the same character over & over. By your logic Doraemon should replace Nobita with a girl or Dragonball should replace Goku with an expressionless protagonist like Jin-woo,

Truth is protagonist rotation fails with majority of anime, specially long running anime with iconic protagonist. Boruto itself is a proof of that.

>their journey did shake things up
Shake what up? 100 episode passed and none of you Horizonfags can say a single thing Horizons did better than Journey! If anything Horizons would have shake things up with Ash, Greninja and Team Rocket Trio.

>Funny you brought up Yugioh because GX had some great character driven SOL in its first two seasons.
Yugoh GX got worst with each season and hit rock bottom in the 4th season. YGO 5D was even worst than GX.

Also Yugioh GX still have cameo from Yugi, was mentioned multiple time and face Jadan in the final duel unlike Horizons that avoid everything from past series including a Meowth.

>>58212436
I think "pokemon master" to Ash was meant to be defined as "Im going to be someone who can make any pokemon trust them" and while MPM Ash wasn't at that level yet, he might be in the future. Sure he might find some pokemons who genuinely don't like him or are just inherently evil, but Ash is going to still try and see good in them regardless.
You can read it as an excuse Ash is giving himself so he can travel more i guess but like you said, its a cop out lol.

>>58212495
NTA but Jesus Christ what's your problem? Why are you projecting and accusing others with unrelated shows when no one agrees with you? That anon literally said he doesn't care about Liko and Roy and you scream "Horizonsfags" at every corner like they fucked your mom. Project your missing brain cells somewhere else, you sound needlessly insecure.

>>58212495
>dislikes Horizons
>does not watch Horizons
>gets called a Horizonfag

>>58212507
https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/search/text/Ash%20nobita%20goku/
Looked the post up in the archives, it's Famon screaming the same shit for years. A fucking lolcow who got evicted two years ago because he was a NEET starting those waifuwars and series catfights across the board while calling everyone else NEETs lmao. Retiring Ash got that schizo evicted from Hotel Mama.

>>58212501
>>58212507
> Points out why Protagonist rotation does not work for every anime
> Wa , what your problem!
Maybe its time for you to acknowledge Pokemon is nothing like Yugioh and Digimon that known for protagonist rotation. There are multiple factor at work and Pokemon anime is not suitable for protagonist rotation. At best the anime can have Ash step down as the MC but he still needs to be in the show in some form of way.

For example : Ash reappear as a wondering trainer with Rotom-dex & his goal is for his newly caught Kubfu to win 100 battles in a row to get the scroll of Darkness/Water to evolve and he has a battle with Roy & Uruto.

>>58212517
>There is a lunatic aggressively cocksucking Ash on this board who would rather go homeless than letting him go and moving on.
I would kill myself at this point and any form of ridicule towards that behavior is justified.

>>58212517
Ah, him again, great, now OP will have to update the filename.

>>58212556
>now OP will have to update the filename
Padt couldn't be assed to do as the filename says in its tenure and you expect this place to do better?

Why is she so cute?! How did they make the perfect Gliscor?

Is there anything you would change in SM? Drastically or not.

>>58212733
The art-style and Ash's clothes.
Also a Kalos trip arc where Ash's Dusk Lycanroc defeat Alain's Mega Charizard X.

>>58212733
Give Ash a full team and don't bullshit a Melmetal and Naganadel at the last minute for one.
Should have fought every totem, too.

So which Pokemon anime is the best and which is the worst?

>>58212877
Poketoon and Pokemon Concierge are the best.

>>58212522
>[Ash] still needs to be in the show in some form of way

He literally doesn't. You have twenty-six years worth of content with Ash that you can go through, as we in this thread are doing right now. Horizons is allowed to be its own thing. Good, bad, whatever.

>>58208114
Ashfags are mad they have to share their precious space so they made a new one.

>>58212733
>Is there anything you would change in SM? Drastically or not.

I'd make it what myself and many others hoped it would be, a direct continuation of the Kalos X&Y arc in the same way that the Johto arc was a direct continuation of Kanto. The same way that Brock and Misty continued on with Ash to Johto I would have his companions from Kalos make the journey to Alola with Ash.

Without changing anything from XY you'd have to make some small alterations near the beginning to make things work. Clemont has his gym duties but a justification to have him and Bonnie go would be with Alola looking to establish a league structure there and them inviting foreign gym leaders to help.

As far as Serena goes it wouldn't be too difficult to insert a plotline of Alola, in its efforts to open up more to the outside world, attempting to also establish a contest circuit. If you have a reasonable time skip of a few months between the end of XY and the beginning of SM she could have spent a decent amount of time in Hoenn before Palermo suggests that she go to Alola, or she might have heard about it from Ash that they're setting up a contest circuit there.

Regarding the visuals I'd keep it in the same style of XY and everything preceding it. No changes to the artstyle. No changes to the tone or writing either, I'd double down and go further in the direction that XY was taking things.

Something I'd like to see them do would be to allow the protagonists from the game to be main characters. I'd have Ash be somewhat of a mentor to the male protagonist, Ash is helping set up the league while the game protagonist is a challenger. I'd have a similar setup with Serena and the female protagonists with contests.

One of the big things I wouldn't do is get rid of what was left of the original staff like they did with the SM we got. I'd sit them down, tell them they have full freedom to do things how they please and give them a blank cheque.

>>58212877
> Best
Original Pokemon anime, DP series, Poketoon and Concierge
> Worst :
Best Wishes, XY and XY&Z, Pokemon Horizons,

>>58212916
>He literally doesn't.
Pokemon Horizon has proven he does to the point the anime tried to turn Roy into Ash 2.0.

>You have twenty-six years worth of content with Ash that you can go through,
So? We have even more content with Goku, Nobita, Superman and Spiderman but that does not mean their fans no longer wants any more content.

>Horizons is allowed to be its own thing.
You mean a wish fulfillment fantasy that disrespects the past series and the game? I would rather have another 26 years of Ash than anymore series another Liko , Roy and Alain.

>>58212961
>Pokemon Horizon has proven he does to the point the anime tried to turn Roy into Ash 2.0.

Ash needs to come back because the Horizons anime turned Roy into Ash 2.0?

>We have even more content with Goku, Nobita, Superman and Spiderman but that does not mean their fans no longer wants any more content.

whataboutism

>You mean a wish fulfillment fantasy that disrespects the past series and the game?

Okay, now I know you're trolling.

>>58212733
A few things:
>definitely change the art style, or at least how it affected older characters like Ash and Team Rocket. I seem to remember seeing some concept arts for SM that had an honestly pretty good look for Ash but can't remember if they were even real
>would give Ash a full team without Naganadel and Melmetal, or at the very least not have Poipole disappear until it was time for the league. Maybe one of the Passimians from that episode or that Wimpod he helped
>would make Kiawe a little less of a comic relief too and would give the others some more screentime to develop them some more. SM I feel was generally good at that but some still felt like some could have used some more chapters
>case in point, have more Guzma appearances, develop his backstory with Kukui and the formation of Team Skull more
>give characters from the games some more appearances and flesh them out a bit more, maybe have Acerola join the group for a while, explore Nanu's apparent connection with TR, have Hau show up more often, etc.
>have more Ultra Guardians eps or at least some more side material with them
>change the league, dunno how exactly but just change it, maybe adhere more to how it was in the games

>>58212984
I think a lot of those early images were just made by fans imagining what it might look like.

>>58212077
>are most people here not actually watching Horizons?
I'm not and I doubt I ever will.
>For those who don't, is it mainly because Ash is gone, or it's for other reasons too OTHER than Ash?
I fell out of interest from the anime ages ago, and even when I saw they were going to retire Ash (something I agreed should have happened a long, long time ago, preferably before BW and everything that followed it happened), I didn't get a single bit of interest for the anime, and what was shown for Horizons also didn't catch my attention in the slightest, and to this day I remain completely uninterested in whatever shit they put out for the PokeAni, I just don't really give a shit about it.

Here's a fun excersise:
What is the archetypical filler episode for every series?
From the top of my head, it would be something like
>Johto:
Ash & co comes across a town that is enamored with a certain shitmon and they help the town host a festival for said shitmon.
>BW:
Axew gets lost
>JN:
Ash and Goh goes to a random region to help out a Pokémon or participate in some kind of competition. Episode ends with Goh catching the titular Pokémon and ditches it in the Sakuragi lab.

>>58210639
Nice. I'm almost done with Johto. Nice watching all the episodes I missed.

>>58208109 (OP)
Has Rhydon died yet?

>>58213024
>Sinnoh
Ash and Co come across a cotd who needs help with their pokemon. during the help with that pokemon, the cotd reveals a sob story about the pokemon's past, TR then attacks and the pokemon overcomes its problem and wins against them. (Examples: ninja Roserade, missing Pikachu, Miltank and maid, Sandshrew in sunken ship etc)

>>58208463
Looks like that person grabbed the very first listed definition off of jmdict and latched on to it as hard as he could.

>>58213216
Reminds me of those retards you see every now and then that insist "Kalos League Victory" was a mistranslation of "カロスリーグ優勝", and that it was actually just supposed to be "Kalos League Championship" (as in a synonym for Kalos League Tournament) because they don't know Japanese NOR English, nor do they know how dictionaries work.

I see some dumbass make the claim that the episode title wasn't an intentional troll but just mistranslated like once a year, it's ridiculous.

>>58212978
>Replying

>>58213273
...but 勝 literally means victory

>>58213284
Well someone DID have a victory.

>>58213284
The English word championship has multiple meanings, it's being offered up there as a translation of 優勝 because it can mean "designation as champion" (which is basically what 優勝 means).
Of course, these dumbasses don't know that and only understand the word to mean "a contest held to determine a champion", and they also don't understand that the different translations offered in a single definition in a dictionary like >>58213273 are synonyms.

>>58213289
Yeah, that's the point. It's a "lol we just called the episode Kalos League Victory, we didn't tell you WHOSE victory" troll title, nips got just as angry as westerners about it.

>>58212984
>I seem to remember seeing some concept arts for SM that had an honestly pretty good look for Ash but can't remember if they were even real
I assume you're referring to picrel, it's one of those comics with occasional activities for children added in. It came out a bit before SM premiered and is clearly partially based on the start of episode 1, but has a very XY-esque artstyle.

>>58213302
Yeah here's a jap definition. Which says it means to take first place in a match.

>>58212978
>Ash needs to come back because the Horizons anime turned Roy into Ash 2.0?
Nobody likes a cheap copy of a masterpiece.

>You mean a wish fulfillment fantasy that disrespects the past series and the game?
>Okay, now I know you're trolling.
" Hey, our new protagonist would be a girl with magic bloodline who gets Terapagos handed to her though family heritage and a boy who become champion tier OFFSCREEN as they becomes heroes of justice fighting against evil forces"
This is just wish fulfillment.

>>58212077
its fucking garbage un every aspect garbage human design, liko is so fucking bland god, the artztyle and animation fucking horrible too, it's so cheap, glad new digimon is coming and is mogging it

>>58213347
its so cheap because they are not wasting money on it again, they killed the movies too cause they were expensive and the latest flopped hard, they are making shorts and other shit like concierge instead , the anime iz going to end sooner than later

>>58213024
>Kanto
Cotd wants needs a shitmon evolution to save their job and it evolves after escaping TR

Imagine Liko and Roy lose at the end of the current era and nearly get imprisoned by the Explorers until Ash rescues them. Later, he delivers a letter from Friede, assigning a new destination and naming Ash the acting captain.

How would you react?

Imagine Liko and Roy lose at the end of the current arc and nearly get imprisoned by the Explorers until Ash rescues them. Later, he delivers a letter from Friede, assigning a new destination and naming Ash the acting captain.

How would you react?

>>58213347
Amazing how digimon makes everything better than Pokemon, looks like heartbreaker is doing something similar like rising volt tacklers lmao probably works because digimon is less childish than pkmn

>>58213925
>Liko and Roy lose at the end
Good.
>until Ash
Bad.

Captcha: ASH 2 W8

Imagine Liko and Roy lose at the end of the current arc and nearly get imprisoned by the Explorers until Friede rescues them. Later, he delivers a letter from Ash, who says he needs the Rising Volt Tacklers' help with something he can't handle himself.

How would you react?

I always like gijinkas of Ash's pokemon. This design for greninja is cute af

>>58214060
>Amazing how digimon makes everything better than Pokemon,
Really? Because older Tai on Tri and reboot Tai was worst than any version of Ash. Even Hiro from Ghost Game wasn't that good.

>>58208109 (OP)
>>58208131
thank you for acknowledging the first thread,
titled
>/ash/nime general (exploratory edition)
<3
i was the one who made it
:3
picrel was the image i used

also very happy to see it having taken off. i almost didnt make the thread, i thought it would be dismissed and id get called faggot and it would die after <20 replies. but im glad i did make it.
and i'm fine with /ptsd/ as the title. it's funnier for sure.

>>58208266
>>58208346
the whole point is to respect horizons discussion and not butt in and shit all over the place with nostalgiaposting. both discussions are great to have, but they are discussing separate things. so leave room for each. everything in its right place.
and also to not shit up the board with tons of random threads about specific incidents or episodes or characters of the original series when they can all go in one comfy nostalgic general.

>>58212077
i watch it. it's fine, it's nice in its own way. it's a different cup of tea to the original. how could it not be. it's a different time, anon. different world, different culture. i do find horizons bland in direct comparison. it's very apt for zoomers and this new gen after zoomers. gen alpha? gen a? awoomers? it suits them and their 'vibe' and sensibilities. the original series, esp the beginning of it, suited us (millenials) and our 'vibe'. ash was a strong minded bratty hothead shithead in comparison to the horizons protagonists. the horizons protagonists are sissified lobotomized vaxxed SSRI fluoride stare modern youngsters compared to ash. but...it works in their overall story environment. classic ash would be totally out of place in it. they would be completely lost in the original series, like japanese tourists in 2025 paris. just don't go looking for the ashnime, just regard it as something totally different, and you'll be fine. enjoy it for what it is, i have enjoyed watching it. everything in its right place.

>>58212077
I wanted the Ash anime to end for years, so I went in with high expectations. Everything about it sounded really cool. Story driven show about a round the world adventure with a band of misfit adults on a blimp butting heads with a shady organization.
Execution is dogshit though, massively disappointed. They have so many characters and somehow barely do anything with them, and the story is just kind of junk. I want Horizons over next gen, but I never want them to go back to Ash. Try again with something else.

>>58211032
It was one of the better Journeys episodes for sure, she would have made for a cool rival.

>>58214482
>Everything about it sounded really cool. Story driven show about a round the world adventure with a band of misfit adults on a blimp butting heads with a shady organization.
Basically you wanted Pokemon anime to be a fanfic based on One Piece.

>but I never want them to go back to Ash. Try again with something else.
No thank you .
We are better off with Ash than the anime forcing another dumb idea with another set of uninteresting new OC for another Three Freaking Years. Specially since next gen going to be on 30th anniversary.

>>58214504
Fun fact: this was Gengar's second victory after 81 episodes

>>58214296
Every version of Tai is better than Ash.

>>58214504
Some anime, like Sgt. Keroro, Kobayashi's Dragon Maid, and Gundam Build Fighters, start with two characters meeting, then expand as new main characters join. I wanted the JN series to follow this, starting with Ash meeting Goh, then adding Marnie, Allister, Brock, Misty, Dawn, and Bede to their group. But some reason OLM wanted to bet everything on Goh and ignore every other potential.

>>58214525
Only hardcore Digifags would claim that, even BW Ash was more mature and competent than the entire cast of Tri series.

>>58214518
Yeah i was painfully aware of it at the time, so when he was given an arc i was quite pleased.

>>58214530
You're wrong, but it's okay to be wrong. Tai married and had kids but Ash didn't, that alone proves Tai is better than Ash.

>>58214550
>Tai married and had kids
To whom? Obvious not to Sora because she picked Matt.
While Ash already got kissed despite being 10 and has this as his love interest.

>>58214564
It doesn't matter to who. Tai had a kid but Ash didn't.
Serena kissed Ash but Ash didn't kiss back and instead he ran away from her, so this proves that Ash is not as good as Tai.

>>58208383
He's basically a ranger in everything but name iirc, his last run was about fighting evil hunters and poachers. It would be cool if they made him the next Pokémon League Chairman tho

>>58213925
>and naming Ash the acting captain.
Ash would tell everyone to fuck off like he did to Scott, Riley, Lyssandre, Rose and even Goh

>>58213925
I don't think it makes sense for Ash to be captain when he is weaker than Roy.

>>58214572
Letting Ash manage anything is a disaster in waiting. Ash works better as someone on the field. You drop that nigga in an active doomsday and he'll find a way to fix it before taking a legendary for a joy ride.

>>58214482
Frankly, I think getting a Pokémon series that's actually well-written is a lost cause. Every time the franchise tries a profound story, it always gets undermined by the writers chickening out or doing something unbelievably stupid:
>Lusamine was an abusive mother in the OG SM plot; she then gets retconned into just being protective to a fault
>Molly's mom was meant to be dead to justify how fucked up a life she had; turns out she had just disappeared somewhere
>Red goes missing for a whole year after an encounter with the Elite 4; nobody does anything about it, and Giovanni already saved him by the time they do try to find him.
>SV's plot involves school bullying (a real-life situation that can mess kids up badly), but you don't face actual bullies in the entirety of the game, and you're just told they existed at one point in the past
The fact that Spinel hypnotizing Liko is seen as this "super evil act that no one would do so dastardly" should be quite telling of the low standards this franchise has for actual intensity, stakes and harm (both physical and emotional). It's no wonder that most Pokémon animations nowadays stick to doing inoffensive SOL stuff like Concierge.

>>58214672
>The fact that Spinel hypnotizing Liko is seen as this "super evil act that no one would do so dastardly"
But Hunter J did worse shit than that

>>58214699
That's how pussified things have gotten.

>>58214699
What did Hunter J do other than steal pokemon?

>>58214672
>mogs the fuck out of every villain.
>fucking burns, explodes and then drowns
she was too based for this world.

>>58214672
Spinel did more than that though.
>Framed the good guys
>Took over the business of his boss for his own schemes
>Took the Rakurium and turned it into a Gimmick which could scar your own Pokemon in exchange for an aggressive buff in strength.

>>58214711
>had her drapion squeeze Ash with intent to kill.
>worked directly with team galactic and blew up three lakes with ultra powerful explosives
>turns pokemon into statues while keeping their minds in tact.
>has no quelms turning humans to statues either.
This woman was short of carrying an actual gun and shooting someone on the spot.

>>58214720
And they're all done in "safe" environments where nobody actually gets hurt. He doesn't even use evidence or anything to actually frame the Tacklers in an intelligent way; he just goes:
>"I'm the president and it's their fault"
Not to mention that the whole plot is a sanitized rip-off of the first climax from Final Fantasy VI, even down to the timeskip.

>>58212436
>>58212466
Yuyama has mentioned several times that "Pokemon master" was always just meant to be this undefined ideal to strive towards rather than anything concrete and attainable. It's why the series ends with Shigeru asking Satoshi what HIS personal definition of a Pokemon master would be and Satoshi coming up with HIS personal interpretation.

>>58214774
>Scarring your Pokemon physically is "safe" and not getting hurt
Jesus christ what are on earth are you doing?

>>58214672
Yeah the anime has consistently been a disappointment since its inception.
>Red goes missing for a whole year after an encounter with the Elite 4; nobody does anything about it, and Giovanni already saved him by the time they do try to find him.
What?

>>58214788
It is when the only good example of the actual harm comes from one of the villains' own Pokémon (Sidian's Garganacl, not really going to count what happened to Coral's Glalie), as it only makes the bad guys look too stupid to realize their own weapons are hurting them. Heck, the only instance of an innocent being hurt was the Stunfisk that fought Dot, and even then, its trainer broke the Strong Sphere with little consequence to it, no permanent scars, no sickness, no anything.

>>58214808
The Yellow arc from Special. Even the manga is guilty of pulling that shit off.

>>58214720
>>58214747
By the power invested in shipping, I know pronounce you husbando and waifu. You may now perform the NSFW.

>>58214849
>I know pronounce you
FUCK

>>58212436
>>58212466
>>58212500
>>58214777
The whole time growing up & watching from the beginning I and most people assumed master = league champion. It never held up to perfect scrutiny since ash had the goal of becoming a master before learning about the league, but him learning about the league didn't make sense either given he was watching it on TV in ep 1 and wears a branded league hat.

>>58214866
>but him learning about the league didn't make sense either given he was watching it on TV in ep 1 and wears a branded league hat.
He was never a smart kid so that adds up. He wanted to be the champion but didn't know there was anything else to it because his brain was oxygen deprived from choking on Gary's hog every day.

>>58214854
Too late ESL kun, now you arent invited to J and Spinel's wedding.

>>58214866
There's various badly translated/made up dub lines that heavily support this idea, so it's not that weird for dubbies to get confused.

>>58214866
>>58214933
Here's an example of a line that very clearly spells out that even defeating a regional champion wouldn't make Satoshi a Pokemon Master, but then the dub mistranslates the second line there as "Then I'll finally be a Pokemon Master" or some shit like that.

>>58214933
It's not just a dub thing, the Japanese thought this too. The games very clearly spell things out and the anime didn't directly disabuse the notion until fucking DP >>58214943

>>58214952
>The games very clearly spell things out
Pokemon Master is an anime term.

>>58215007
And literally everyone even across languages agreed that it was synonymous with being the league champion.

>>58215024
Yes, because the English translation of Red/Blue made up a line that says winning the league makes you a Pokemon Master, and other languages just translated that.

>>58215041
>because the English
It was not just the english speakers. The Japanese had the same impression. Do you not know how to read? Do you need Grok to help you?

>>58215048
I said literally everyone even across languages except for the nips were lied to by their video games and told straight up hat Pokemon Master = league champion. Of course they had that "impression".

>>58215055
You're still not understanding. Virtually everyone agreed that Ash's ultimate goal was becoming champion. There is nothing in the anime until future generations that specifies a champion is not what Ash has in mind.

>>58214911
But I'm the pastor. If I'm not there, there can't be a wedding.
It was a typo, honest.

I think Advanced would have improved if they were still a party of 3 rather than 4. But which combo would have been the best? Which the worst?
>a) Ash, May, Brock
>b) Ash, May, Max
>c) May, Max, Brock
May is non-negotiable I think we can all agree on. No one wants to watch a sausage fest.

>>58214504
Why couldnt they just use Marnie as the new MC instead of making stupid OCs? Marnie literally mogs everyone and Morpeko isn't such a bad Pikachu-like shouldermon mascot

>>58215538
>No one wants to watch a sausage fest.
Correct. Ash, Brock, Misty.

>>58214717
i still can't believe the lake trio killed all of those people

I think Advanced would be improved if this happened.

>>58215538
d) May, Brock, Brendan.
Honestly, Ash was the weakest part of Advanced. He would be better as a recurring side character.

>>58215538
May, Brock and...picrel
Imagine May and picrel arguing all the time and Brock having to constantly break it up ha ha

>>58215538
Ash, May and Brock. Max was a really pointless character - much inferior to XY's Bonnie and I don't mean with coomer shit. He just always felt like an awkward inclusion to me.

>>58215538
Ash, May, Wally

I always assumed Pokémon Master = really, really good trainer. I never had an issue with the term, desu

>>58215538
May, Brendan, Wally

>>58215550
>tags: ugly_bastard, short_male, plumber's_crack, AI_trash

I love them

>>58213318
>>58213356
What magazine is this? Is it from CoroCoro?

>>58213362
>they are making shorts and other shit like concierge instead

I think the general direction since the end of XY has been awful and an unmitigated disaster but I like Concierge

>>58214359
OP here. I appreciate you having made it. I mentioned it in one of the earlier threads, it's something I've thought about before but doubted there would have been any interest. It's a pleasant surprise that I'm not the only one and there is in fact interest.

>and i'm fine with /ptsd/ as the title. it's funnier for sure.
I didn't have a particular preference but it's the best and most appropriate one. There isn't an easy and concise way to list everything this general includes, such as the films for exampe which aren't part of "Pokémon the Series" but which are definitely included here. Maybe I'll come up with a list at some point.

>the whole point is to respect horizons discussion and not butt in and shit all over the place with nostalgiaposting. both discussions are great to have, but they are discussing separate things. so leave room for each. everything in its right place.
>and also to not shit up the board with tons of random threads about specific incidents or episodes or characters of the original series when they can all go in one comfy nostalgic general.

I think your reasoning is solid. /padt/ have made it clear that it's a Horizons general now and it's pointless to fight that. Let them have it. I see no reason to try and force it to be something it isn't.

>>58214508
>We are better off with Ash than the anime forcing another dumb idea with another set of uninteresting new OC for another Three Freaking Years. Specially since next gen going to be on 30th anniversary.

The anime bringing Ash back isn't going to magically make all the old good writers get their jobs back. If you keep all the current staff and just insert Ash then you're going to have the same shit tier trash but just with a different cast of characters. Third world IQ post.

>>58214672
>Lusamine was an abusive mother in the OG SM plot; she then gets retconned into just being protective to a fault

I dropped the anime after XY. They actually did this? LMAO total retards. I was right to drop it when I did and not waste a single minute of my life on that slop. Everything I've seen about and from the SM anime has been utter shit.

>Molly's mom was meant to be dead to justify how fucked up a life she had; turns out she had just disappeared somewhere

Didn't Takeshi Shudo want to have it that way, and he was overruled on it? I might be misremembering but I recall something like that.

What were the most bizarre pokemon that people said Ash should have caught during each region? Not necessarily bad, but just wouldn't suit Ash

Top of my head:
>Ralts - Hoenn
>Budew - Sinnoh
>Litwick - Unova

>>58214699
>>58214711
>>58214717
Underrated waifu.

I can fix her.

>>58214777
>>58214866
>>58214943
>>58214952
>Yuyama has mentioned several times that "Pokemon master" was always just meant to be this undefined ideal to strive towards rather than anything concrete and attainable. It's why the series ends with Shigeru asking Satoshi what HIS personal definition of a Pokemon master would be and Satoshi coming up with HIS personal interpretation.

>>58215813
Mesprit beat you to it Ash, tho she used a permanent solution.

Pheromosa episode should have been a Lusamine episode where instead of calling up Ash and his class, she became the "white ranger" and took matters into her own hands or something.

>>58214359
>>58215774
Thank you for this. Any stable board progression is for the greater good.

>>58215598
This is by an artist, and not GPT? What is reality anymore

>>58215830
>a statement made several decades after the anime first launched
Great, now we just need to invent a time machine and let everyone know back then that this was what Ash's goal was all along. Maybe we can warn them about the twin towers while we're at it.

>>58215811
Dunsparce. I never got the obsession with it. I get the anime's joke was "haha he cant get the jokemon", im more so talking about people genuinely giving him a dudunsparce

>>58215884
Reality hasn't changed, Pokegirl artists have always had a soulless artstyle.

'ate horizons
simple as

>>58215937
How did it taste?

>>58215970
h8 it

>>58215888
at least post the version where she gets burned

I was just watching the third movie. The Pokémon Channel posted on Youtube a few hours ago, at least in my region.

What an actual great movie. Really gorgeous and actually compelling. The somewhat grounded conflict made it feel like the stakes were very high.

Also, who else as a kid thought Unowns were really powerful because of this movie lmfao?

>>58216021
I just watched*

Fucking ESL

>>58216001
i didn't make that, anon

>>58216021
>>58216027
"I was just watching" is perfectly fine English you retarded subhuman third world ape.

The "just" part means that he recently finished doing something, and "watching the third movie" is what he recently finished doing. You retarded ape.

t. native English speaker

>>58215806
I was talking about USUM more than the anime, but they both contribute to Lusamine's being universally sanitized. Even the manga is guilty of that by turning her into a almost-mindless thug as Mother Beast and then getting her to snap out of it by showing her a picture of Mohn.

TPC just hates OG Lusamine, and the anime is but evidence of that.

>>58216120
>by showing her a picture of Mohn.
Stupid me. I mean, by showing her a picture of her past self. I shouldn't be going around with loose pages and vague memories of arcs.

>>58212077
I left /padt/ after the litten arc was done, I couldn't stand the SuMo art style

>AI-slop
>Dub vs Sub shit (again)
>ESLs dragging in non-Pokemon shows into the mix
This is just /padt/ all over again but with AI sprinkled on top of it. You could've just stayed there.
>But we don't want to disrupt
You aren't gonna disrupt anything, there are reasons why the reply chain exists and this is one of them.

>>58216036
Just implies that he may or may not have finished it and only that he was recently watching it. That first sentence on its own would be pretty ambiguous.

>>58216152
I am aware. In case you are ESL, what I said was that he finished the action of watching the film. Not that he watched the entire film to its end.

Where are korrinfags, longhairfag, mami, tiernofag and the whole band of shitppsters?

>>58216166
They grew up. Now it's just people with shit taste left.

>>58208446
>>58208435
>>58208446
Damn I never knew SOSsubs were a bunch of fucktards. I always assumed it was just an ESL group when it first cropped up on nyaa years ago. Looked at their subs, and the first thing I noticed was some of the retarded naming conventions for the Pokemon and how fucking confusing English can get when you decide to destroy the distinction between singular and plural pronouns because you randomly decided that every time a Pokemon is the subject, you use "they". There is a reason singular they only exists online and doesn't exist in real life conversation, even by its retarded proponents

Imagine instead of Charizard, Misty’s Psyduck becomes disobedient upon evolving into Golduck?

>>58216288
>Damn I never knew SOSsubs were a bunch of fucktards. I always assumed it was just an ESL group when it first cropped up on nyaa years ago.
I might be wrong and misremembering but I think their translator and subtitler Akiko is British. She (or it? I don't know if it's a real woman or a "woman) could be foreign and ESL but I don't get that impression. Just a retarded LGBTist.

>Looked at their subs, and the first thing I noticed was some of the retarded naming conventions for the Pokemon and how fucking confusing English can get when you decide to destroy the distinction between singular and plural pronouns because you randomly decided that every time a Pokemon is the subject, you use "they".
Yeah. Even putting aside the obnoxious and insufferable mental illness insertion it's just downright confusing.

>There is a reason singular they only exists online and doesn't exist in real life conversation, even by its retarded proponents
Well it does, but it has nothing to do with mentally ill gays and trannies and other LGBTxyz++! creatures. I'm a native speaker and you'd often use "they" to refer to someone if you don't know whether they're a man or a woman. For example, let's say someone tells you that the doctor at the hospital said your cousin needs to get a blood test. You don't know whether it's a man doctor or a woman doctor. It's completely normal and common speech for you to say to someone else "The doctor talked to my cousin and they [the doctor] said he needs to get a blood test".

I'm from Europe and this whole thing about "they" is really an American left wing tranny mentall illlness thing. And other Americans try to retroactively make out that it's not normal to say they ever in a sentence when referring to a singular individual which is just not true. Death to America.

It's not just in English. I speak another European language in that you'd use the equivalent of they and them to talk about someone when you don't know if they're a man or a woman.

If they made a new shounen anime series for our boy Satoshi, which artists would you pick for the OP, ED, and insert theme? For me it would be:
>Da-ICE for the OP
>Rica for the insert song
>TRUE for the ED

>>58216550
Satoshi is not shounen they are jojimuke.

>>58216157
>finished the action
That doesn't mean anything. If he was interrupted while watching the movie and then wrote the post how did he "finish the action" ?
Finishing doesn't mean stopping.

>>58215806
>Didn't Takeshi Shudo want to have it that way, and he was overruled on it? I might be misremembering but I recall something like that.
It was just a matter of accidental creative disagreement between the two writers of the movie. Shudo was hospitalized while working on the script, so it had to be finished by Sonoda working off Shudo's plot, and he inserted a scene during the ending sequence showing Me's mother coming back. Shudo got very upset about this when he later learned of it, but it's not like Sonoda would know this was a detail he absolutely didn't want in the movie or anything.

>>58215747
Nah, it's some kiddie mag for little kids that can barely read, the text is super simple and barely uses any kanji. It's probably First Grader Magazine.

>>58217147
>Nah, it's some kiddie mag for little kids that can barely read
So the average pokemon anime watcher?

>>58216935
It's funny that Ashnime was closer to Shonen than Horizons. We have a simple, goal-driven protagonist who encounters new rivals. The main difference between Ashnime and Shonen was progression and power level. Ash didn't progress beyond the league conference until the SM series, and he never reached the power level of Shonen protagonists who can destroy mountains or continents.

>>58217219
You really don't know what shonen means.

>>58216021
The third movie is easily the best movie. This movie broke so many norms that plagued the Pokemon movies that proceed it. The Opening battle in the playground is peak comfy.

>>58217219
Why are you bringing up Horizons?
Also SM wasn't a real league.

>>58215598
not size accurate though. firstly, in the anime misty is taller than ash and may is shorter than him, yet here may heightmogs misty?
and let's not even get started on the BOOBA inaccuracy.

>>58215859
A lot of the Ultra Beast episodes were misses. The only good thing about Pheromosa episode was the fight with Bewear.

>>58217248
>Also SM wasn't a real league.
By the law of the Alola region , it is a regional league acknowledged by the authority of Alola region.

>>58217248
It honestly bugs me that both PM19 and obsessive Ashtards insist that winning a hastily thrown together tournament in a region where Pokemon battles are barely a thing and 99% of the "competitors" had no clue what the fuck they were doing is somehow a bigger deal than being the first person in a long time to defeat the regional champion after qualifying for the battle by defeating four experts in their respective fields in genuinely tough tests you didn't even know what involved beforehand in a region with more than 100 years of history of competitive battling.

>>58217296
You have to remember the context behind it. Ashleys just came off one of the most humiliating league defeats ever and their new series was flopping meanwhile Naruto recently became hokage ninjajesus and Goku was competing against literal gods in a multiversal tournament.
Ash fanboys were desperate for any W they could get. There could have been no tournament at all and they still would've cheered because "By the law of the Alola region , it is a regional league acknowledged by the authority of Alola region."

The Ashime was one big monkey paw of an anime. But boy, was it a big, beautiful monkey paw. So big. So beautiful. You'd make love to it all day and all night if you could, everyone says that.

>>58217319
Didn't exactly work out for them.

>>58211032
>>58214504
That cheeky punk girl, I bet she sold the fight for a date.

>>58217516
Comparing SM to BW is an insult to BW.

80% of complaints about the JN series would have vanished if Ash had traveled with a cute girl like pic related instead of Goh. OLM screwed the JN series by catering to the BL fanbase.

Pokemon Go and Goh were a huge costly mistake

https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/search/text/JN%20series%20complaints/start/2024-01-01/
What is this called?

>>58217296
>>58217319
> XYfags still seething over Alola League.
Alola was a region without any gyms or any pre-existing league, it was obvious any league SM series hold would be disappointing compared to other leagues from rich regions. That's why Ash winning the Kalos League was absolutely necessary, as the SM series' fate depended on it. However, XY&Z failed by choosing Alain over Ash, forcing the SM series to manage damage control for the Kalos League, despite Alola lacking resources for it.

The SM series tried to succeed despite limited resources and a poor art style. XY&Z had more budget and resources but wasted them on favoring Alain.

>>58217653
The complaints aren't about the league being shit, the complaints are about the universe bending over and acting like Satoshi just did something equally as impressive as defeating a regional champion because he won some random tournament in the middle of nowhere.

People weren't shitting themselves and declaring him to be a Pokemon Master when he won the tag team tournament in DP even though that was probably the more impressive feat.

>>58217635
That doesn't fix anything if her goal is still to catch all the Pokémon

>>58217648
By the way, the pic I posted shown a girl with generic long black hair who mogged all the girl on her show in attractiveness.
Makes me wonder if the anime could have redesigned Dawn like this if she was the lead girl of JN series alongside Ash and Goh. It surprise me that Serena had a new hairstyle & clothes despite appearing for just one episode while Dawn had no upgrade at all despite having three episode and remake of her game.

>>58217668
You don't get it , do you? Can you remember any Tournament arc except Tag battle tournament where Ash won ? By the way, I am talking about arcs, not single episode tournament. BW series had three tournament arc and Ash lost all of them. The anime would rather have Iris and a racist like Trip win on a Tournament arc but not Ash unless he partner with somebody else. Just like anybody can get pseudo legendary pokemon and keep it except Ash who wasn't allowed keep Goodra for five episode.

People were cheering not because Ash won a regional league, people were cheering because HE WAS FINALLY ALLOWED TO WIN IN A TOURNAMENT ARC. They were celebrating that Ash was finally allowed to mode forward.

>>58217670
Its does as long as she is very very cute and imply to have feeling for Ash. Shipping is huge community that can carry an entire show as shown by various romcom and harem anime.

Why do you think people loves Serena so much? Do you think it because of her character?

>>58217668
>You don't get it , do you? Can you remember any Tournament arc except Tag battle tournament where Ash won ? By the way, I am talking about arcs, not single episode tournament. BW series had three tournament arc and Ash lost all of them. The anime would rather have Iris and a racist like Trip win on a Tournament arc but not Ash unless he partner with somebody else. Just like anybody can get pseudo legendary pokemon and keep it except Ash who wasn't allowed keep Goodra for five episode.
>People were cheering not because Ash won a regional league, people were cheering because HE WAS FINALLY ALLOWED TO WIN IN A TOURNAMENT ARC. They were celebrating that Ash was finally allowed to mode forward.

You don't get it , do you? Can you remember any Tournament arc except Tag battle tournament where Ash won ? By the way, I am talking about arcs, not single episode tournament. BW series had three tournament arc and Ash lost all of them. The anime would rather have Iris and a racist like Trip win on a Tournament arc but not Ash unless he partner with somebody else. Just like anybody can get pseudo legendary pokemon and keep it except Ash who wasn't allowed keep Goodra for five episode.

People were cheering not because Ash won a regional league, people were cheering because HE WAS FINALLY ALLOWED TO WIN IN A TOURNAMENT ARC. They were celebrating that Ash was finally allowed to move forward.

>>58217668

You don't get it , do you? Can you remember any Tournament arc except Tag battle tournament where Ash won ? By the way, I am talking about arcs, not single episode tournament. BW series had three tournament arc and Ash lost all of them. The anime would rather have Iris and a racist like Trip win on a Tournament arc but not Ash unless he partner with somebody else. Just like anybody can get pseudo legendary pokemon and keep it except Ash who wasn't allowed keep Goodra for five episode.

People were cheering not because Ash won a regional league, people were cheering because HE WAS FINALLY ALLOWED TO WIN IN A TOURNAMENT ARC. They were celebrating that Ash was finally allowed to move forward.

>>58217710
The anon you're replying to is a massive retard. Like how is Journeys and the universe bending over and acting like the Alola win was equal to defeating an actual regional champion?
Journeys Ash never even bothered to mention it. When they visited Alola the first time and Goh found out, Ash was downplaying it as just some random summer tournament -- which was true. Introducing himself as Alola league champion only became a thing for the Masters 8 episodes, which came right after that final Alola ep with the Alola crowd cheering him on and reaffirming his identity as "their" Champion. That wasn't the universe bending over, that was Ash's found family and community in Alola recognizing his worth, and a defining moment for Ash realizing he wasn't just some kid from Pallet Town anymore, he was representing a whole region, its culture, its people -- his family.

>>58217765
Sounds like pretty shit writing to me. Why weren't the Orange islands crowd there affirming his identity as THEIR champion?

>>58217768
Because he wasn't the Orange League champion since Orange Island is an archipelago . not a region. Also Ash never revisited Orange island after defeating Drake.

>>58217768
>Ash wasnt the first Orange Islands winner and wasnt the last
>Ash never found a family or community in the Orange Islands
>Alola was way more tightly knit as a community
>Ash was their first league champion, even beat Masked Royal/Kukui AND beat/was recognized by their guardian deity
How is this hard for anyone to wrap their tiny head around?

SM was a mistake.

>>58217800
XY&Z and Alain was the mistake.

What would be the reaction to Ash reappearing on Pokemon Horizons?

>>58218015
Too soon, he only just retired.

>>58218015
Unless there's a dimension crossing mini arc, there's just no way. I dont think they want kids to catch on and realize Roy is just a cheap copy either.

>>58218015
>>58218038
Has the time setting of Horizons been established? Are there any clues in it to indicate it is in the future from Ash's time? Or could it be at the same time?
I ask because if Ash does appear in Horizons I want him to be older. An older teen or even a young adult. I don't want a 10 year old kid Ash. We had that for 25+ years, it's been played out to death.

>>58218015
Disappointment at them continuing to be incapable of committing to something.

>>58218069
It is a completely different continuity. This isnt the same world Ash was in

>>58218069
The Tera leak exposed that Horizon in the Ashnime are in the same timeline and that the directors are open to bringing back Ash, Misty, and Brock into Horizons.

>>58217635
You must be kidding when you imply that such a large franchise would bother catering to a small sector of the fandom

>>58218069
It doesn't matter, not enough time in the real world has passed. come back in a decade.

Is it my imagination or have Maytrannys become some of the most annoying posters?

The tranime never will be good or watchable again because it’s all dei slop now thats why they retired ash lol enjoy your next black tranny protagonist for gen 10

>>58218199
But the current protagonist is paler than Ash ever was...?

>>58218069
Well it could be the Guzzlord timeline with Dia reappearing with Mega Zeraora and tells the story of a boy that came from another world and help him stop Guzzlord. Then when Spinel ends up screwing the world with Rakulium , shiny Tapu Keko combine its power with Terapagos to summon Ash again to stop him. How that's sound?

>>58218199
Ash was literally brown. It was always DEI

>>58218199
>The tranime never will be good or watchable again because
The anime tries to introduce new OCs and panders to them for wish fulfillment, as seen with Alain. In Horizons, within three months, they introduced a super special OC whose partner is a Rayquaza and is the main girl's ancestor, despite 26 years of insisting that main legendary Pokémon are too special for human trainers. They broke their own rule to favor their OC hypocritically.

If Takeshi Shudo and Masamitsu Hidaka wanted, they could have made Ash an invincible protagonist who gets everything handed to him, but they chose the opposite approach, believing no character, even the protagonist, is entitled to special treatment. The current production committee is too spineless and believes their OCs deserve everything.

>>58218296
They are making inclusion garbage now just watch the mega Hawlucha trailer lol

>>58218038
>>58218060
>>58218069
>>58218080
If Ash returns now or in 10 years, the anime will still have to give him a third legendary Pokémon. There's no excuse after giving Terapagos, Rayquaza, and Zygarde to Liko, Lucius, and Gibeon. Zygarde choosing Gibeon as its partner insults its intellect and judgment.

In the DP series dream episode, Ash and Pikachu battled Cynthia and her Black Rayquaza. Maybe Horizons should have Cynthia defeat and catch Black Rayquaza.

Yajima is working for better series now and not pokeflop

>>58218375
Well he has to follow the manga so he won't be able to shove another Alain into the story.

>>58217653
>Alola was a region without any gyms or any pre-existing league
They didn't even do the bare minimum that the games did. So no, it's still not a real league win.

>>58218391
Doraemon isn't a flop like the tranime was so there's no need to shove a chad like Alain into the story.

>>58218344
I didn't know they gave the Horizons protagonists legendaries. That's really shitty.

>>58218472
The anime writers were making fun of Ash failing to get a single legendary after 30 years I guess.

>>58212733
Artstyle but only somewhat, I really think it's only Ash who looks fucked up.
Other than that, I'd have Lana catch the Dewpider because fucking obviously, and evolve the Eevee into Vaporeon because non-evolving Eevees are the worst.
While I liked Poipole as a Poipole, and the Tapu Koko beatdown WAS really cool, I still wish he'd caught the Wimpod.
Just remove the Ultra Guardians stuff entirely, all of the Ultra Beasts could've been used without it.
Guzma should've showed up way earlier and had some sort of presence, preferably with a backstory that's not "I was secretly a fucking loser".
Finally, overhaul the league lineup entirely. Ash, Kiawe, Lana, and Gladion should've been the only ones from the main crew to make top 16. If they have to do the battle royale, then have that be where Mamane barely misses out. The E4 should've all participated, and actually show people like Kahili battling. Throw Molayne in there somewhere because he was cool and honestly would've made for a more impressive finals match than Gladion. Would've led better into Ash and Kukui's match too.
Also for the love of god, have Ash fight Lusamine right away rather than the giant flight of space-stairs.

>>58218486
But this is so retarded. It just cheapens legendaries. Are they really caught or are they just friends? Like Ash and Meloetta or Solgaleo? I can't believe it they really gave three (3) people their own legendaries

>>58218486
I usually appreciate the anime giving legendaries proper weight, but Goh catching Regieleki while Infernape couldn't beat a fucking Moltres leaves me unironically bitter.

>>58218534
Terapagos goes into the pokeball near episode 80 and it's a friend capture instead of a real capture, but from the start it was lv1ified and as dumb as a newborn child so whether than cheapens legendaries is up to perspective.
Rayquaza and Zygarde aren't on any of their teams yet, Famon is making shit up because he's desperate to justify giving Ash his first legendary.

>>58218573
Same, and you know what? I think Goh wasn’t even that horrible, like if you place the same character as some kind of data bank manager on the Horizons cast, he’d be much more tolerable. But the asinine decision of making him an “equal” and grow “equally” to the guy who’s been on TV for around 25+ years and his rival who has been a top contender for Pokémon league battles? Fuck no, how did they believe that was even an idea to be thought.

>>58218754
They also clearly realized mid-series that the "gotta catch em all" thing was a retarded idea and revamped his goal completely with the entire Project Mew thing.

>>58218582
>Famon is making shit up
Liko literally caught Terapagos with her pokeball, the literal source of Terastalization which would allow her to terstalize her pokemon anywhere and she can even use its Steller form using her Tera Orb. The only reason she got this not because of merit but due to nepotism from her magic bloodline. This anime also plans to hand Zygarde and Rayquaza to two meritless hack like Amethio and Roy because they has no character to stand on their own,

>>58218945
>Liko literally caught Terapagos with her pokeball
It wasn't earned just like Ash's weren't earned.
>the literal source of Terastalization
No it's not.
>This anime
This is a thread for the old anime. If you want to talk about Horizons since you love it so much then go to padt.

If you were to remake the OS, what are some things you are willing to change?

>>58219004
Gary as the protagonist.
>drives a hot rod
>harem of busty babes
>talented and hard working
>grandson of Professor MOTHERFUCKING Oak
>doesn't abuse pokemon

>>58219004
>retcon the Samurai out of existence
>the circus guy with the Exeggcute too
>evil Sabrina out, that shit sucked
>put a game-accurate Blaine, his anime design is trash
>erase every instance of pity badges, Ash wins all matches fair and square
>Misty stays out of the journey because she's a literal dead weight character who only made Ash's journey miserable (and because fuck Pokéshipping), Brock can stay though
>make all of Charizard's development happen in Kanto
>erase the shitty Kanto League ending out of existence
>if forced to continue into Orange Islands, Ash loses to Bruno, it's more believable
>erase the Charicific Valley episode out of existence, the lesson it taught was scummy as shit
>Ash faces Giovanni and dismantles Team Rocket, don't care if even Shudo intended to let that crook go off scot-free
>if forced to do Hoenn, Ash loses to Agatha, Harrison will only serve the purpose of telling Ash about Hoenn
I'm sure there's more, but that's what I have off the top of my head.

>>58219004
ash dies in the last episode and once per season every other protagionist sees his further decaying corpse
also he doesnt abandon primape to a con artist

>>58219070
>Misty stays out of the journey because she's a literal dead weight character who only made Ash's journey miserable (and because fuck Pokéshipping)
Based.

PREPAPRE 4 TROUBL

>>58219145
>James instead of Jessie
AND YOU FUCKED UP DOUBLE

MEOWTH THATS RITE

>>58219145
We'll never see James and Onyx bond over consistently dealing with troublesome women.

SURRENDER NOW OR BLAST OFF AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT

>>58219145
>Jessie and Meowth could have retired as shown in various episodes in being Team Rocket members
>Only James stayed consistent in being a Rocket Member

Kinda sad, when the only option for retirement is being in a one-sided marriage

>>58219004
Honestly I would want a (somewhat) game accurate protagonist. Kinda like the PokeSpe manga, but not shit.

If I had to keep the overall structure, here's what I would do:
>Not realising Butterfree, Primeape or Pidgeot and catching Snorlax and Lapras still on Kanto.
>Charizard's development before the league.
>One between Squirtle and Bulbasaur evolving. Like Smash, it should be one 1st stage, one mid and one final.
>No pity badges and Ash uses all his Pokémon in rotation.
>I would make two additions to his team. Cubone (not evolving) and Haunter (evolving to Gengar). When you think as an introduction to the games, Ash would then have all relevant Mons (Pikachu, starters, bird, early route bug, Snorlax, Lapras and Cubone) with few random additions in Primeape, Tauros, Gengar and Muk.
>Richie and the guy that abandoned Charmander would be rework as the other unseen Pallet Town trainers. That dude would just give up as a failure and Richie would be a friendly rival in comparison to Gary.
>I would make Team Rocket actually evil. I also like the trio, so I would keep Jesse, James and Meowth and would later introduce the real Rocket team. Then Ash would take Giovanni down. Jesse, James and Meowth would become travelers who would often cross paths with Ash in later regions.
>Richie's team would need some rework as he doesn't work with Wsh being competent. I'd give him Venusaur (his initial), his own Pikachu, Eevee (unevolved), Dragonite (his ace), Fearow and Rapidash, maybe Beedrill too.
>We would see Ash's battles in the league more in depth.
>Ash loses to Richie in a good fight instead of that crap. In turn, Richie would lose to Lance and we see the semifinals are the four in game elite 4: Lance, Agatha, Bruno and Lorelai. Lance beats Lorelai and is the Kantonian Champion.
>I would keep the Orange Islands. Instead of Tracy, his temporary traveling companion becomes Todd Snap. I think it would be a perfect traveling companion with different objectives.

Cont

>>58219070
>Get rid of everything that makes it unique and memorable and funny

>>58219197
>Honestly I would want a (somewhat) game accurate protagonist.
Game accurate Protagonist are just self insert with no personality that only exists for player's wish fulfillment. They works in the game but not in a TV show .

>>58219224
He meant them being a real character instead of an OC like Ash.

>>58219197
I forgot to mention Kingler on his team. Of course he stays!
The Orange League goes more or elss the same way. Fun challenges with Ash beating that Hax Dragonite in the end.

Johto
>the trio is still Ash, Brock and Misty. Ash would leave all his Mons with Oak and keep Pikachu. He would use his old ones in a pinch, like in the league.
>His team: Pikachu, Typhlosion, Bayleef, Totodile, Noctowl, Heracross, Donphan, Tyranitar and one Eevolution (I prefer Umbreon).
>Time passes. Slowly, but passes.
>Since they needed to stretch Johto due to intervention, I would make up some plot to go with the anime. Maybe the GS Ball going somewhere? Or something with Ho-oh and the legendary beasts. I also think it would be cool to see some follow up with Mewtwo and Lugia.
>Ash would become really competent here, like a real threat to win the league.
>I would make him beat both Gary and Richie, then lose to Harrison. I am fine with his defeat to him. Harrison then loses to Lance, but this time he loses to a new analogue to Red with something similar to his Mt Silver team.
>Jimmy, Marina and Vincet become actual recurring characters, though not much as rivals to Ash.
>Silver would appear in the anime as a rebel-like anti-hero investigating remains of the Team Rocket. He can have all fully evolved starters.

>>58219224
Like >>58219239 said. I would want the structure of the games, following more coosely with the Team Rocket plot, Mewtwo etc.

>>58219239
We already have them, their name are May, Dawn and Serena. Lets be honest, nobody cares about the male game protagonist.

>>58219241
Hoenn

>get rid of Max. He is annoying and useless. The trio is Ash, Brock and May.
>May keeps her same goals, but she is less Mary Sue and loses sometimes.
>Ash doesn't get interested in Contests.
>His team: Pikachu, Sceptile, Torkoal, Crawdaunt, Mudkip, Glalie and Swellow. Sceptile evolves before the league and is his ace.
>Brendan is a recurring character and local rival. I think I would make Wally a character too as a kid with a weak team that gets inspired by Ash/May/Brendan to become stronger.
>He once again falls short in the league. Instead of what's his name with the cowboy Meowth, I think I would give the win to Brendan (who could be maybe May's old friend/crush/whatever).
>Steven Stone, who is introduced as the current champion, successfully defeats Brendan and wins again.
>Team Magma and Team Aqua are more present in this game. Maybe involve Jesse, James and Meowth investigating them (in Johto, I would think of them just traveling around). Eventually the reformed Rocket trio helps Ash to defeat both evil teams.
>Ash dies the Battle Frontier which isn't in Kanto only. It is in Kanto, Johto and Hoenn, all at once. Which would be a fun way to meet some old characters.
>Ash can catch Aipom here, whatever. I think it would he fun to make Ash catch a Gligar in this part too.
>Ash beats the battle frontier first try.

Sinnoh:
>the trio is Ash, Dawn and good old Brock.
>Paul is the main rival in more or less the same vein as it is. Maybe Paul already initially respects Ash a little. Barry can be there too. I wouldn't really introduce Lucas as a recurring character, sorry.
>Ash's team: Pikachu, Infernape, Turtwig (unevolved), Staraptor, Gliscor, Floatzel, Gabite and Froslass. This Froslass would be sort of his Glalie's girlfriend.
>I was going to exclude Tobias but I think I have a funnier idea.

Cont

>>58219288
It would be better without an OC like Ash. Let's be honest, Ash is just Alain but worse.

>>58219298
>Hoenn
>Ash dies
>Sinnoh
>the trio is Ash
Ghost Ash?

Pokemon is just bad being anime, doesn’t work unlike is something cute like concierge or like those old pikachu shorts, no matter they do always will be cringe shit

>>58219311
Pokemon repeating their names is the most cringe thing ive seen in a series

>>58219311
>Concierge
>Paldean Winds
>Generations
>Detective Pikachu
>shorts
It's amazing how much better the pokemon anime can be when different writers are in charge.

is concierge actually good or it is just cute fluff?

>>58219333
It's better than all series of the anime combined at least.

>>58219298
Still Sinnoh:

>Tobias is introduced as it is and you fully get the impression he is there just to beat Ash. But then Ash BEATS him. He would move on to beat someone from the Elite Four and go to the final, where he is beaten by Cynthia.
>Now, this time I think I would make Cynthia beat him somewhat easily. So Ash can decide he has a lot to improve and travels to Unova (maybe some old rival like Gary, Richie or Brendan advising him)
>Team Galactus is a thing and Ash deals with them.

Unova:
- Ash's companions are Bianca and Iris. Now, I think they would need complete rework here.
>Iris, instead of being a cunt, can be more of an apprentice. She meets Ash after getting defeat in a Gym and almost giving up. She travels with him to prepare herself to her gym challenges.
>Bianca is just interested in learning about Pokémon as a researcher or whatever.
>Ash's team: Pikachu, Serperior, Dewott, Tepig, Scrafty, Gigalith, Krookodile, Leavanny and Unfezant.
>Hilbert, Cheren and Hilda are the local rivals. I would make Hilda the main one and she would often lose to Ash for a small margin until the league.
>Team Plasma is a constant foil to Ash. N is, like in the game, an antagonist. Though I would make him a little more asshole/villain-y and maybe perceive the errors of his way thanks to Ash and the Former Rocket trio.
>After beating her the entire run, Ash loses to Hilda in the final 4. Hilda would go on to beat Alder and become the champion.
>Delcolore Islands doesn't exist.
>Instead, we have a bit of the B2W2 plot. Team Plasma in new clothes, Colress being the antagonist. Maybe Iris would leave Ash to start her own journey and a now reformed N join him and they focus on stopping Ghetsis and Colress once for all.
>We could see in the background Iris's journey together with Rosa, Nate and Hugh, who could be introduced here.
>After defeating Team Plasma, Ash returns home before setting out to Kalos.

>>58219310
Lmao
Ash tries*

The Perfect Match | POKÉMON FULL EPISODE 8 | Season 5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiglJ_0aMg4&list=PLRcHmntfmJ8BNWmL3MICuc1Oh5Mxf2qEh&index=8

>>58219200
God forbid someone to think the OS is overrated.

>>58218534
>It just cheapens legendaries
It's too late for that bro.

>>58219171
I was going to say that I could see James becoming a Pokemon Breeder or something if he left Team Rocket, but then I realized that, unless he was constantly on the move or something, his parents would eventually find Jim and drag him back for his forced marriage.
Team Rocket really is his only choice, poor James...

>>58219362
Kalos:
>more or less the same thing.
>main group: Ash, Serena, Cameron and Bonnie.
>Serena can have her romantic subplot with Ash and maybe this fucking time he actually reciprocates
>Serena's objectives are gay and dumb. This version of Contests are much worse. Not any of that. Serena struggles with her lack of objective and ambitions. She would just sort of tag along with her boyfriend.
>Oh, yeah. Make their romance canon. It's Japan, I bet they could dribble censorship.
>Ash's team: Pikachu, Greninja, Talonflame, Chespin, Goodra, Hawlucha, Noivern and the shiny Trevenant.
>add to Serena's team: Flabébé and Pyroar (female).
>No Ash-Greninja, sorry. If GF doesn't give their starters a Mega, tough deal. I think Ash should megaevolve at some point. His Charizard, the Gengar he actually would have from Kanto, Tyranitar and Sceptile are the prime candidates.
>Team Flare's plan is related to Yvetal instead of Zygarde.
>Zygarde would still appear later. Maybe to stop a mind-controled Xerneas and Yvetal because of Lusamine's retarded plan. He would have bonded with Serena instead of Bonnie.
>Ash is at his best and finally wins the league, crowning himself as Pokémon champion for the first time.

Alola:
>Ash travels to Alola with his mom and Serena and they would stay there a while. I think it would be neat to give his mom some time in the limelight.
>Ash doesn't look hideous.
>The rest of the artstyle is passable.
>SMfags can have their SOL. I think it would be interesting that both Ash and Serena would do the trials, though. Serena finally realizes she has a gift.
>Alola's league is teased from the beginning and we have characters such as Hau, Guzma, Elio and Selene as the rivals.
>BTW, perfect opportunity to include the Team Rocket Trio trying to help Guzma redeem himself.
>Lusamine starts as a normal mom much like the anime, but Lillie isn't a cunt to her. But then Lusamine starts acting erractic because of the Nihilego's influence.

Cont

>>58219200
>constant aesops that contradict themselves and what the franchise is about
>"unique and memorable and funny"
If the best thing Pokémon can offer is telling kids that it's wrong to use your strong creatures because of the poor opponents, then perhaps it's better if this franchise never has an anime again.

>>58219415
Still Alola:

>Ash beats Nihilego and Ultra Necrozma saving the island.
>Ash's team: Pikachu, Rowlet, Incineroar, Primarina, Naganadel, Solgaleo (Nebby), Lycanrock and Melmetal.
>Ash enter the Alola league and wins. Serena participates and goes really far.
>At the end she decides to do her own journey as a trainer in Kanto. But don't worry, her and Ash remain dating.

Journey:
>Ash travels to Galar but doesn't face the gym. He learns about the World League and as an Alola and Kalos champion, he is one of the top seeds from the beginning.
>He still travels around beating opponent. Initially in Galar, where he meets Marnie, Bede, Hop and of course Leon, who beats Ash in a battle.
>his Galarian team: Pikachu, Sirfetch'd, Dracovitch, Grookey, Sobble, Scorbunny, Corviknight and Toxitricity. He JUST uses these guys while in Galar. Toxitricity gigantamaxes.
>He starts traveling around and meeting past rivals, gym leaders, champions and whatever. He starts using his old Mons too.
-Chairman Rosé plan doesn't exist. He is the guy behind Worlds. Still, Eternatus rises and Ash defeats him with the help of Zacian, Zamazenta and Hop. Ash catches whatever version got with him. I think Zacian.
>Instead of top 8, it is top 16.
>Four groups of four, with the best two of each group going forward to the quaterfinals. Then semifinals and finals. Six matches to win it all.

>>58219461
But bro it was so unique and memorable and funny when Pikachu used electric attacks against ground types successfully even though they're supposed to be immune

>>58219478
>The top 16: Ash (Kalos/Alola Champion), Lance (Kanto/Johto champion), "Red" (Kanto/Johto champion), Steve Stone (Hoenn champion), Cynthia (Sinnoh champion), Alder (Unova champion), Hilda (Unova champ), Iris (Unova champ), Rosa (Unova champ), Diantha (Kalos champion), Hau, Hop, Leon (Galar champ), Richie (champion), Gary (champion) and Paul (very importantly NOT a champion).
>Characters like gym leaders, Serena, Marnie, Brendan, Battle Frontiers and Elite4 all got eliminated. I think the last spot to me was between Hau and Marnie. I gave to Hau so we can have an Alolan guy in there.
>To explain: the league occur every year, so they have multiple champions: Hilda beat Alder once, then Iris and Rosa won after Ash left. The Red analogue (not really Red but similar) and Lance pretty win both in Kanto and Johto. Gary and Richie became champions of unnamed regions.
>Ash's first stage group: Paul, Gary and Cynthia. He loses to Cynthia in a nailbiter, but beats Paul and Gary once again to advance.
>He beats Hop in the qf with a clash of the legendary heroes. The semis are Ash v Iris and Cynthia v Leon.
>Ash beats Iris and Leon beats Cynthia.
>In the final match, Pikachu brings it home. Ash is the world champion.
>Ash returns to Kanto as a celebrity, celebrates with his old companions and friendly rivals and his Pokémon that all live with Professor Oak. Well, now Ash - a young adult - takes them to his home.
>Rocket trio fights crime with Looker around the world.
>Serena reunites with him and it is implicint they are to get married in the future.

Horizons:
>Liko is Ash and Serena's daughter
>I don't give a fuck about the plot here, have them doing whatever or maybe put Liko in the SV plot ffs.
>It is revealed that Ash became champion of other regions as well, mainly Kanto. Serena won in Kalos once too. They are still in competitive battle.
>They have Liko traveling on her own journey to find herself. She does whatever she does in Horizons. I don't watch it.

>>58219461
>If the best thing Pokémon can offer is telling kids that it's wrong to use your strong creatures because of the poor opponents, then perhaps it's better if this franchise never has an anime again.
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>58219523
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/EP134
>"As they walk, Ash mentions that with Pikachu and Charizard by his side, he could beat any opponent, but his friends mention that he uses Charizard excessively, making it unfair for opponents."
It is what it is.

>>58218983
>just like Ash's weren't earned.
You mean Goh? Ash doesn't have legendaries on his team. Melmetal may be a mythical but it started off as a weak Meltan whose unlikely bond and friendship with Rowlet led to it wanting to be part of Ash's little family.

>>58219555
No I mean Ash.

>>58218199
>dei slop
Misty is a wh*te gaijin and so was Lt. Surge.

>>58218296
>could have made Ash an invincible protagonist who gets everything handed to him
There were more than enough episodes (and movies) where this was the case.

>>58219557
Ah so you're a typical Goh and Horizonfag. Go back.

>>58219562
Those don't count according to the self inserters.

>>58219070
>>retcon the Samurai out of existence
I wish I could retcon you out of existence.

>>58219566
I don't watch floprizons or care for goh. I meant Ash.

>>58219573
Then you're nothing more than a retarded shitposter. Go back.

>>58219577
Ash did not earn Solgaleo, Meloetta, or the fully evolved Melmetal. I'm sorry if this hurts your feelings, but he's just as bad if not worse than Liko

>Meloetta
People really need to remember Ash doesn't fuck around. This alone clears Liko in terms of earning anything.

So, are these thread gonna be daily or just a "spawn on occasion" thing? Because looking at the ones so far, I can't say there's much point in making them daily.

>>58219562
>>58219569
>what was Ash getting his ass handed to him by Mewtwo?
>what was North Petalburg undermining him?
>what was the Shaymin movie?
>what was Ash jobbing to Paul to the point breaking down in tears?
>what was Tobias?
>what was the entirety of Unova?
I don't even agree with Famon, but you people have Ash's dick inside your mouths 24/7 more so than actual fanboys or "self-inserters", the latter of which I'm sure aren't even real.

>>58219580
He never caught Solgaleo or Meloetta, dumbass. Meltan capture was through a comfy bond with Rowlet and unless you skipped SM and that episode in particular, you wouldn't be posting this shit take. This is your last (You)

>>58219604
>what was Ash getting his ass handed to him by Mewtwo?
He shouldnt have even been there in the first place.
>what was North Petalburg undermining him?
Don't remember anything about that because AG was too bland to remember.
>what was the Shaymin movie?
I don't know anon, what was it?
>what was Ash jobbing to Paul to the point breaking down in tears?
Deserved. Unfortunately Ash learned nothing from it and won their rematch anyways.
>what was Tobias?
What a real trainer looks like.
>what was the entirety of Unova?
A case study on what happens when you strip half of the plot armor away from Ash. He lost to a level 5 snivy because he wasn't smart enough to tell Pikachu to use something other than electric attacks.

>>58219603
/vp/ is a slow board as it is so this thread should last several days to a week. and it's fun talking about the old anime and some fantasy what-ifs. It was far from a perfect series by any means but it's still a large part of our childhood and the fond memories are always nice to look back to

>>58219628
>He never caught Solgaleo or Meloetta
He still used them as if they were his, dumbass.
>Meltan capture was through a comfy bond
Ash didn't bond with the other hundred meltan who turned his meltan into an undeserved powerhouse.

>58219645
Take your meds and go. You don't even know anything about the anime beyond clips, wiki entries and shitposts. Not even worth another (You)

Man, you people are incapable of not responding to trolls that don't intend to discuss in good faith, not even after five years of this shit. And before anyone spins my post around, the trolls I'm talking about are anti-ashfags because they're too obvious. It's actually amazing that they wasted their time on doing this shit for so long on a series with more than 1000 episodes. Obsessed does not begin to describe it.

>>58219645
>He shouldnt have even been there in the first place.
Where was Tobias and Paul? Oh right, they never got invited because they were shitters that didn't earn Mewtwo's recognition.
>Deserved. Unfortunately Ash learned nothing from it and won their rematch anyways.
Paul lost like he deserved too. Thank god he learned from it and became a gym leader because he would've never made it far in the World Tournament.
>What a real trainer looks like.
Loses to Cynthia despite having a full team of legendaries. They're all wasted on him. It's a mercy he never showed up again, otherwise the humiliation towards him would be discussed forever.
>A case study on what happens when you strip half of the plot armor away from Ash. He lost to a level 5 snivy because he wasn't smart enough to tell Pikachu to use something other than electric attacks.
That Snivy would solo Paul and Tobias. All of the Sinnoh League trainers are nothing but country bumpkins compared to Trip.

>>58219659
I'm sorry anon.

>>58219668
This is exactly the kind of fanboy defense we were talking about.

>>58219700
This is the exact kind of defensive response used by paulfags and tobiasfags. They know they will never receive the same love as Ash does. Look how insecure they are.

>>58219704
Take a few steps back and look at your posts. You're doing exactly what we mentioned to a T and arguing against yourself in the process.

>>58219659
Just because they're trolling doesn't mean they don't have valid points. The most scathing criticism often comes from satire and poking fun.

>>58219712
This is clear desperation at this point. Unlike Paul, Ash's victories will always be celebrated by fans while the former's defeat will be the greatest highlight of his life. Tobias will forever be reviled while us ash fanboys and self-inserters will cheer for our boy becoming the greatest in the world.

>>58219715
>Unlike Paul
Who gives a fuck about Paul? That discount Silver is besides the point.

>>58219718
A discount Silver that's achieved more than the original. And they still can't achieve what they set out to be like the original failure. Face it, any flavor of Silver or Paul exists to be humiliated. If Silver were on the anime instead, his team would be put in bodybags by Ash without needing a full team.

>>58217555
Marnie as a companion would have mogged every Pokegirl before her and I'm saying this as an OG Mistyfag. Imagine all the doujins we could have gotten!

>>58219721
>If Silver were on the anime instead, his team would be put in bodybags by Ash without needing a full team.
This is the point we've been trying to get across to you. It doesn't matter if Ash loses random battles when he's still an invincible protagonist who gets everything handed to him.

>>58219757
Nah, it's a point of exposing who the real frauds are if they can't give Ash a real challenge. None of those characters from the games, the pussies, are built for the anime world. They're fucking twigs and the pokemon they raise are shitters when compared to Ash who transcends the confines of the games canonically. Ash doesn't need his pokemon to win, they would get their entire skeletons shattered from a single tackle from Ash, the guy that will throw hands with any villain on sight. Fact, game characters that are added to the anime and become a complete part of its world are upgraded versions from their game counterparts in terms of being a trainer. Lyra was the weakest of the bunch and couldn't find any meaningful way to survive as a trainer and had to live as a breeder instead. Gold, in his brief appearance in a movie was getting his team flossed by Ash's. The guy who beats Red isn't even worth the effort. Ash when he was added to MasterSex was getting the hype like he deserved and Red wanted to fight him.

>>58219645
>>what was Tobias?
>What a real trainer looks like.
Bait used to be believeable

>>58219668
>>58219704
>>58219715
Shut the fuck up, troll. You are not funny

>>58219757
I don't know if you are dense or are doing on purpose. You are arguing with a guy pretending to be an Ashfag. Don't be oblivious.

>>58219812
If you've been a trainer for 12 years and you still don't have two legendaries then who the fuck are you?

>>58219817
Where do you think we are? We're all pretending. The only genuine faggot in this thread is the ESL