Thread 58209763

Pokemon shrink to fit in the balls

my balls shrink to fit in your ass

Not in my headcanon they don't!

>>58209776
So you're saying I have a tight ass, thank you

>>58209763 (OP)
>It's a another thread where idiots try to insist that "shrink" is meant the most literal possible way. That Pokémon literally just have their bodies physically uniformly shrunk down in the literal sense and just are there inside literally with nothing else going on. Oh, and don't forget, the Pokémon is the source of the shrinking and not the ball!
The most likely thing for both the main games and main anime. Is that the Pokémon's body is deconstructed to be stored as that glowing energy-looking mass, with the Pokémon's consciousness experiencing some kind of simulated space.

For example. This very recent example in the anime of a Quaxly in a Luxury Ball.

>>58209824
But isn’t it said that the Pokemon also shrink when they are knocked out in the games

I don't care what is or isn't canon, them shrinking down is fucking gay.

>>58209824
>it's another thread when people follow canon instead of headcanon or spin offs
Yes, I'm sorry you think your feelings affect reality.

>>58209874
He doesn't care, whatever the games, the guides or the facts say is irrelevant because it makes him cry.

>/vp/ actually had a shitstorm over this
Legends Arceus really did buck break this board.

>>58209921
Never forget how the nips laughed at westerns for being surprised by shriking because they always knew, since gen 1

>>58209921
It’s just one of those things that didn’t really need to be explained and sounds weird when you think about it. It’s the same thing as why Nidorina and Nidoqueen can’t breed. Like, there’s a reason, but it’s a reason that didn’t need to exist

>>58209932
It's not weird to the Japanese, shrinking down holds an important place in their psyche and mythology

>>58209895
It seems it was their original idea. But over time have gradually went against it. Likely because they realised how bad it is and the issues with it. Like with the fancier and fancier effects when Poké Balls are used in the games as the game series went on.

>>58209905
>Yes, I'm sorry you think your feelings affect reality.
>He doesn't care, whatever the games, the guides or the facts say is irrelevant because it makes him cry.
It's funny, because those sentences fit you literal shrink believers more than me and what I said. How do you explain the image I posted? The Quaxly in a Luxury Ball It's a very recent example. But notably, unlike compared to previous examples of seeing a Pokémon inside their ball, this was during a scene directly explaining Poké Balls, specifically the differences between different kinds of balls.

Oh right, how do you explain the different kinds of balls having different effects? If every kind of ball is just experienced as a ball room for the Pokémon, with what we see inside a ball as being the same as what a Pokémon sees when inside the ball.

>>58209921
I'd say its more so people just trying to force the idea "shrink" is meant in the most literal possible way, and people pointing out how obviously stupid that is.

>>58209937
I meant it’s weird in terms of biology. Animals in our world don’t shrink down like that so it seems strange that Pokemon would (yes, I know they’re fantasy creatures, but they basically take the place of animals in the Pokemon world). Also, it’s weird that every Pokemon can do this but not all of them can learn Minimize (which is literally called Shrink in Japanese)

>>58209942
>"no u"
>"how do you explain my non-canon spin off?"
>doesn't even realize his beloved (still non-canon) sample also shows pokemon shrinking
Thanks for proving me right.

This isn't the first time this retard keeps trying to excuse his debunked headcanon with
>NOOOOO SHRINKING ISN'T LITERAL OKAY IT'S JUST A WAY OF SPEAKING
Don't pay attention to him.

>>58209955
I know some of you idiots also say the anime has literal shrinking too, as I see you sometimes uss the scenes of Dragonite and Psyduck being shown in their balls.

I like how you didn't address at all the ball differences question. As it's one of the issues with the literal shrinking HEADCANON. There's more issues too. It's question that applies to the games too.

>>58209824
>That Pokémon literally just have their bodies physically uniformly shrunk down in the literal sense and just are there inside literally with nothing else going on. Oh, and don't forget, the Pokémon is the source of the shrinking and not the ball!
That’s literally how it works tho. Why does game canon alway make you so mad?

>>58209973
Why dont you first point out how different kinds of balls is incompatible with shrinking

>>58209973
>oh fuck you are right the non-canon anime I'm using as source shows shrinking sometimes too... WELL YOU DUMB SHUT UP
Kek, you are so pathetic
>b-b-but what about the balls?
What about them? Why do you think different pokemon having different preferences for the capsules where they shrink makes shrinking ilogical, retard?
Nice redditspacing too by the way, you almost made not notice by claiming canon information from guides and games is headcanon.

>>58209979
He realized something he believed for all his life was false and instead of being amazed by the discovery like any keen mind would, decided he would overwrite reality with sheer butthurt power.

>>58209958
>image
OK let's go through it.

First as said earlier, any mention of "shrink" doesn't have to mean in the most literal possible way. Some of these have been retconned. Look at depiction of the Pokémon exiting the ball, it's from before final release of the first games, showing a now outdated design for Poké Balls with the sliding and the button at the top. The Pokémon isn't even one of the final release. Also Minimize, is a specific Move, it's a point against the literal shrink headcanon. What's the in-universe reason then that all Pokémon don't learn Minimize?

Pokémon can shrink, yes, and some Pokémon can physically uniformly shrink, but the question is what kind of shrinking is used when they go in a ball. The idea that Poké Balls just literally have their bodies shrink in the most literal possible way has issues and the evidence for it is based on old lore, retcons and interpreting "shrink" in the most literal possible way. The franchise does contain contradictions, they need to be sorted through properly to know what aspects to ignore or actually take seriously.

>>58209979
It's that image again. So, if Pokémon are truly shrinking in the literal physical uniform manner when they Faint, then think how that affects Pokémon predation on other Pokémon, which we know is a thing. Pokémon kill and eat other Pokémon, the idea that all Pokémon have their bodies uniformly shrunk when Fainting affects that.

>>58210063
>redditspacing
>first argument is "no shrinking isn't literal despite being shown and explained to be literal shrinking"
Stopped reading here. As >>58209979 said why does game canon always make you so mad, cuck?

Lol, the noshrinkfink abandoned thread as soon as xir was asked to make an argument. Why does this simple fact from the lore cause so much unbridled seething?

>>58209763 (OP)
Hot

>>58209980
Like I said earlier:
>with what we see inside a ball as being the same as what a Pokémon sees when inside the ball
That means there's no internal difference in the environment for the Pokémon, it's a ball room all the same be it a Poké Ball or whatever else if literal shrinking is to be true. If the space the Pokémon experience is identical across different types of balls, it's significantly more difficult to explain why different balls have different effects. Yet with the idea that Pokémon experience a simulated space it's much more simple, each kind of ball can just have different kind of simulated space. That is of course if Pokémon do indeed choose to stay in or leave the ball, which I do. So if all kinds of balls would just be a an identical ball shaped room to them, there's much less for them to have a preference over in regards to which kind of ball they like.

>>58210320
Are you talking about me? I'm still here! You know this is isn't exactly a fast board right? Threads on here can last hours without a new post. Are you new? It takes time to write posts, but also, people generally do other things besides write posts for a thread all day, I got other stuff to do too and can't be here all the time.

>>58210069
>what we see inside a ball
We literally never see what's inside a ball in the canon games, retardo, it's not detailed enough so we just see black, but they have NEVER implied that's how they are inside, in fact Masuda literally said the interior of a pokeball is a comfortable place for pokemon, like "the high end suite room of a fancy hotel". It's a comfortable space for the pokemon inside to live, not a machine that runs a stupid simulation for them like your deranged, debunked headcanon says.
But hey if you think your headcanon is easier to understand than canon I guess we should call Japan and tell them to change their minds right away

It's funny seeing faggots get this autistically defensive over people finding an objectively retarded lore explanation to be retarded.

>>58210400
The better balls are better at holding the pokemon in and preventing their expansion

>>58210432
Fuck I had that post quoted already idk why, but I meant to reply to >>58210400

>>58210400
Its not hard to explain, some balls are more comfortable to be in than others. Its not being claimed that the inside of the balls are identical

>>58210433
>passive-agressive OP faggot pretending he's not being humilliated left and right
You didn't even say "wow this is dumb haha" you are outright denying it. Nobody is talking about how dumb or smart the lore is, we are just reminding you it is canon no matter how much it makes you cry.
Dumb canon is still canon, cope and seethe.

Struck a nerve, didn't I?

>>58209958
Counter argument: Is what the games tell you about Pokémon mechanics to be taken literally?

Regarding breeding: We always get the explanation of a pokemon egg appearing out of nowhere, even with professional breeders having no idea where it came from. That really sounds like avoiding the talk about how procreation works, and given how most protags are children (not to mention the franchise being primarily targeted at children), they simply spare them the details.

Depending on the interpretation, "shrinking" means literally shrinking, or it's a metaphor for pokemon being converted into energy and compressed into a tight container.

>>58210433
>>58210474
>being too scared to reply to people he can't convince of his insane headcanon
>twice
Oh no no no no no no no...

>>58210488
The way pokemon lay eggs out of nowhere is canon, retard, their eggs aren't even eggs canonically, they are cradles. And you don't take a 15yo-looking teen you send to catch (what you understand as) dangerous killing creatures and instead of telling them "they become energy here" say
>haha you see the pokemon becomes very very little teeny and fits into le ball :)
As if they were 6yo, you dumb fuck. And you specially not use that to explain how amazing pokemon are, if anything you would praise the technology used for it, not the creatures. (technology that couldn't even exist in the late 1800s-early 1900s, when Laventon tells you all that btw)

>pokemon shrink to fit in pokeballs
>pokemon eggs are actually cradles
>the "clothes" that some pokemon wear is actually part of their bodies
Any other pieces of lore that non-retards rightfully ignore?

>>58210488
>maybe Legends Arceus just treats the protagonist as a dumb kid too stupid to understand "thing becomes light and light is stored in ball"!
>the way Legends Arceus treats the protagonist:

>>58210488
I'm glad Nebby and that Solgaleo/Lunala from decided to rip off the bandage for the Alola Protagonist by straight up having sex in front of them, and then forced them to stay there for however long the pregnancy period lasts and watch every single second of the miracle of life while the mother underwent each stage of pregnancy and eventually give birth to a new Cosmog.

>>58210537
Disregard the "from" after Solgaleo/Lunala, no idea how that got there.

>"wow pokemon lore is so dumb"
>the "smart" guy's alternative take of the lore >>58210488

>>58209824
It's both, depending on the era of ball.

Hisuian apricorn ball?
Literally just shrunken. They were first invented by observing an injured primeape shrink-retreating into a glasses case. Tumblestones are used to create a stimulus that triggers the shrink instinct involuntarily. They obviously do not have matter-energy conversion technology in the 1800s when people have first started researching pokemon as something other than man-eating demon yokai to be feared behind giant city walls.

Modern balls? They still trigger a shrink impulse, but now with a specially calibrated laser beam, but as the pokemon shrinks it also converts them down to their comprising pure infinity energy and stores that. We literally see pokeballs do this in the first opening theme.

In either case, most healthy pokemon are capable of forcibly releasing themself from a PokeBall (failed catch, wobbuffet, croagunk, psyduck), but a weakened pokemon is often unable to, resulting in what is effectively a submission hold, which is why a pokemon recognizes the trainer as someone who has bested them and is thus worthy to train them.

>>58209954
Every animal with lungs can breathe instinctually.
Not every animal has voluntary breath control.

And yes, while they do ecologically take the place of animals pokemon ARE fantasy creatures effectively literally made of elementally flavored magic. (no, poke world doesn't call it magic, because to them it's natural science. But to us Infinity Energy is magic, in the same way they'd probably consider our atomic technology magical because they don't appear to have rocks that glow green or blue and melt your face off, can power a steam turbine for 1000 years, or vaporized by the explosion of a chain reaction make an entire city uninhabitable for the same period.)

It might be easier to think of them as something like a D&D elemental or maybe a familiar. Or Steven Universe Crystal Gems. They have a physical tangible body, which typically contains organs (there are exceptions), but they're ultimately energy constructs.

>>58209763 (OP)
>>58209776
Regardless what's canon, pokemon physically shrinking is retarded compared to being converted into energy. Especially when concerning kaiju pokemon and legendary deities. Makes the setting feel like a joke.

>>58210752
No, redditor, it's not both, your headcanon isn't real.

>>58210784
>AIEEEE POCKET MONSTERS BEING POCKET MONSTERS IS RETARDED

>>58210784
I also hate when my pocket monsters are monsters that become pocket sized. What's next? Digital monsters coming from computers?

>>58210433
case in point
>>58210818
>>58210831

>>58210784
>kaiju Pokemon
>legendary deities
lol little bro fell for the “pokegods” meme, they are in-universe legends about powerful Pokemon that aren’t meant to necessarily be true

>>58209979
Not that anon but I hate how this vindicates the absolute most retarded Pokemon "haha the mons are forced/shoved into tiny balls and it's terrible" parodies out there. The ethical implications of pokeballs literally being tiny cages are horrific.

>>58210488
>Regarding breeding: We always get the explanation of a pokemon egg appearing out of nowhere, even with professional breeders having no idea where it came from. That really sounds like avoiding the talk about how procreation works,

Except we see an egg get made exactly once, and that is literally what happens.

Pokemon has roots to medieval and ancient pagan superstitions, things like alchemy etc.

Part of those superstitions is the idea of spontaneous generation. The idea that some animals literally just appear under the right circumstances (for instance rats from piles of soiled rags) or as a continual act of divine creation.

And that's what we see. Some species of pokemon literally just appeared when the circumstances were right (for instance Muk) and the one time we see an egg made, it is literally an act of god, Arceus wills it into existence in front of our eyes at the Sinjoh Ruins. So the available evidence suggests that whenever Arceus witnesses a pair of romantically entangled pokemon, it plays the stork and wills them a baby to then build an egg for (because remember, pokemon eggs are actually nests according to Elm. Presumably the juvenile sleeps curled inside of it in its shrunken form until it's strong enough to break out, like breaking out of a PokeBall. Which is also why an Onix egg is not 10ft tall and several hundred pounds)

It's thin evidence, but it is evidence, where as anything else is completely baseless.

>>58210813
>No, redditor, it's not both
It is visibly both.

I don't even know which one you're trying to claim is headcanon because both are objectively canonical.

>>58209958
This is all based on Gen 1 early concepts. Shrinking has never been brought up or referenced in any Pokemon media except Legends Arceus. No, Gen 4 doesn't count. There's is no mention of shrinking.

>>58210900
>This is all based on Gen 1 early concepts.
And reiterated in games as recently as SV, yes. It's been there the whole tine amerifag. Learn to subs.

>>58210871
?
Kyogre and groudon literally caused a world threatening catastrophe in gen 3. Theres literally abrahamic God as a pokemon in gen 4. So they shrink like a flaccid penis to fit into balla? This lore idea is clearly a remnant from when pokemon capped out at mewtwo and doesn't fit later gens tonally

>>58210864
>ha ha see? It's so retarded how pocket monsters are pocket sized right? Right?
You are alone in this world

>>58210900
Did you miss the OP image, retardo?

>>58210900
>there's no mention of shrinking in gen 4
You literally have the japanese text on the right which says shrinking. Also "this is only an idea that has been there since the beginning of this 30yo franchise and has been referenced literally one game ago" isn't really helping your case, buddy.

>>58210893
>it's both because... because I think that's why I'm saying okay? That makes it canon!
Redditor... the balls you buy in Jubilife Village and the balls you buy in any pokemart work the same.

>>58210950
clearly not, and you're a faggot for thinking that just because it's canon that it's good.

>>58210587
That seems intuitive and natural. Does gamefreak need to explain how pokemon are converted into data for you to accept they get put in the PC?

>>58210488
>>58210510
>>58210537
>>58210888
Actually, this is the explanation for breeding that isn't god or an extradimensional being. And even then Elm has the alternative explanation as an unsubstantiated theory so who knows maybe you're right. There's too many flowers for me to legitimately believe that, personally.

>>58210908
>Kyogre and groudon literally caused a world threatening catastrophe in gen 3
*Were fucking with the ecosystem in one region

>Theres literally abrahamic God as a pokemon in gen 4
There aren't it's a Japanese game you retard

>>58211506
>Does gamefreak need to explain how pokemon are converted into data for you to accept they get put in the PC?
Not only do they explain that for items as well in the very first town in the very first game game (“Technology is incredible! You can now store and recall items and Pokémon as data via PC!”), in some games like the Gen 7 titles they might not be stored as data in the PC at all.

>putting pokemon in balls
They are not your friends/lovers
They are your slaves.
Pokeballs are evil.

>>58211525
How can they compare the pokemon eggs to real eggs if they lack the context of what an egg is because pokemon never layed eggs in the first place?

>>58211572
>An egg is an organic vessel grown by an animal to carry a possibly fertilized egg cell – a zygote. Within the vessel, an embryo is incubated until it has become an animal fetus that can survive on its own, at which point the animal hatches
And how do you know scientists in the pokémon world haven't come to this conclusion?

>>58211576
But in the translated screenshot Elm is literally comparing the texture of eggshell to the texture of pokemon eggs.

>>58211572
>because pokemon never layed eggs in the first place?
They do. As early as the new entries written for JP Blue, we have Pokemon like Ekans who are defined in nature by their tendency to seek out bird eggs and eat them.

>>58209958
scrapped concepts are not canon

>>58209763 (OP)
>Pokemon shrink
They get turned into energy
Do literally any of you guys play the games or are you just larping for (You)s

>>58210063
>What's the in-universe reason then that all Pokémon don't learn Minimize?
With the exception of Minimize, Pokémon only subconsciously shrink when they faint. The ones that learn Minimize are simply the ones that are able shrink consciously.

>>58211710
Turning into energy is an additional modern invention, which is also how they're able to instantaneously transfer Pokemon through PC Storage Systems and the like. The Pokemon still shrinks though, it's just masked by the flashy effects.
Old Poke Balls had no such technology, and instead solely triggered the Pokemon's shrink mechanism.

>>58211689
None of that shit is "scrapped" you retarded little israelite.

>>58211870
>all taken from canon game releases or japanese official mediawork
Cry harder Desmond.

>>58211490
When did I say it's good because it's canon? Hell when did I say it's good? Never, because unlike you, I'm not some faggy smegma addict who thinks there's any correlation between canon and quality, somehting can be bad and canon or cool as fuck and non-canon, the day you understand this is when you will be able to talk to the adults, okay?

>>58211710
>do literally any of you guys play the games
Yes that's why we know that light effects or not, pokemon just shrink naturally by instinct. >>58209958 >>58209979

>>58211689
>Platinum
>Pokemon Daisuki website at the time of ORAS release
>Legends Arceus

>scrapped concepts
You are the only scrapped concept here

>>58211506
>it's intuitive and natural to send a 15yo you are treating like an adult to deal with magical killing monsters and treat it like a retarded 7yo instead of saying "yo these balls transform pokemon into energy and store it" all while explaining how incredible pokemon (again, pokemon, not the balls) are
Literally how?

>>58211710
>"they get turned into energy"
>shows pokemon shrinking and enlarging instead of simply materializing
oh no no no no no no

>>58212223
He'll just cope and say "yeah, because it's expanding/compressing from the beam of energy the Poke Ball is creating, it's all the Poke Ball at work."
All the while ignoring wild Pokemon literally shrink out of sight when you KO them, even in the most recent games.

>>58212225
dude that's just to make them disappear, it's either that, fade out, or fall through the floor lol

>>58212247
Why not have them fall through the floor like they did in the 2D games if it's supposed to be an abstracted representation of "oh, the wild Pokemon ran away because it can no longer battle!" like what you're insinuating?

>>58212252
probably just decided that falling through the floor looked worse nowadays as most games that do that end up looking janky. But there's no way to know their thought process for sure.

>>58211689
>published media is scrapped concepts

>>58211572
there are pokemon that lay eggs that are not the weird nest things. Chansey for instance.

>>58210968
The visibly do not.

Pokeballs from a pokemart do not fire off a crackle of fireworks out the top upon a successful catch for instance.

A hisuian apricorn ball is literally just weird rocks, a hollowed out apricorn, and a hinge/clasp mechanism. You can make them in the wild using just fieldwork hand tools. There's no advanced matter to energy conversion. The game literally tells you that just just shrink as an instinctual response and that's how this new fangled invention the pokeball works.

Meanwhile, whenever something goes into a modern pokeball, we literally see them decompose into a swirl of red light that is then held inside the ball, presumably using the weird reflector dish thing they have inside. and then when they come OUT of a ball, they burst forth as energy, then glow white as they rematerialize.

It is inarguable to say anything other than that both are correct, depending on the kind of ball. You might as well just be saying "nuh uh."

>>58212267
>probably
So headcanon.

>>58212223
they shrink like that in revolution and both stadiums too. it's especially pronounced in revolution.

>>58212386
autist

>>58212391
>this canon piece of lore isn't canon!
>Source?
>uh... it probably works differently I guess
It's headcanon by definition, retardo.

will all energyfags please go to the bulbapedia article on pokeballs and fucking read the "mechanics and design" section.

>>58212407
>bulbapedo
They can just read the thread with actual pics from the games and guides. That's not the problem, they just can't read, not when the text hurts their fragile feelings

>>58212403
autist

>>58210533
Pokemon being and replacing animals. I prefer them being yokai.

>>58212407
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aowzJIk5axA

>>58212361
>anime gif
Didn't even bother reading your cope.

>>58212388
Damn I never played Revolution and holy shit this couldn't be more obvious, it's like they slowed down the animation to 0.5 speed to make sure everyone saw the pokemon shrinking and enlarging
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uej4FE3-54

>>58212391
>>58212414
oh no no no no no facts mindbroke the energytard

>>58212425
you're not arguing with just one person autist. And one of those people (me) wasn't even arguing with you if you look at what you replied to >>58212267
stop being so embarrassing.

>>58212425
>Squawk! You're not arguing SQUAWK with just one person, AUTIST! SQUAWK! AUTIST!

>>58212461
literal schizo

>>58212532
>he learned a new word
Here.

>>58212223
Energykeks annihilated.

>>58210784
>makes the setting feel like a joke
dude it's fucking pokémon. it's a lighthearted adventure and pet simulator series for 8 - 12 year olds.

Shrinklords WON

>>58212361
So... they DO shrink when KO'd which lead to the invention of capture and battles, but the modern balls DO convert them into energy in order to function with the PC and trade systems.

>>58213702
Where did Game Freak ever say that's the case daughter? Animeshit doesn't count by the way, Tajiri's quote the manga was the closest representation of how he imagined his universe for nothing you know. It's because it didn't have an extra boomer tranny thinking she knew EXACTLY what the story was and misjudging the entire concept badly.

I feel like there's a couple people just taking the piss now

AAAIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>"this bit of lore is dumb as fuck and I choose to ignore it"
>genuine autist proceeds to have an apocalyptic meltdown in response

>>58214328
So uh... You going to explain the Pokémon predation issue brought up earlier that happens if that shrinking animation is taken literally? Oh and, before gen 6, the Fainting animation was instead falling through the floor.

Not to mention the fact that, it's a game, so they need to Pokémon to disappear and that uniform shrinking/growing is easier to animate than properly have a model/sprite of the Pokémon deform and undeform.

>>58213726
Its logically deduced from in game AND multimedia evidence anon. I can't even tell which side you're arguing for.

>>58209958
All of those are from Legends Arceus.
Except for the move Minimize, which kinda destroys this meme canon as it's not even learned by every pokemon

Not all Pokémon with a mouth and teeth can learn Bite, only some Pokémon use it as a fighting technique
Pokémon instinctively shrink when they're too injured to fight or when a gachapon ball is thrown at them. You can see them shrink when a ball is thrown and expand back to normal when the ball opens, either when breaking out or being thrown out.

The word "shrink" in this case is ちいさくなる (chiisakunaru). I'll break this down to remove any concerns of being lost in translation.
Chiisai is written in kanji as 小さい (ちいさい), with the part in brackets representing how to read the kanji. The kanji 小 represents "small", and is read as ちい chii (chi-i) when placed next to さい sai (sa-i). Chiisai is an i-adjective that means "small". An i-adjective is a class of adjectives in Japanese that normally end in i, and that i is the part that changes when altering your adjective. In this case, it becomes ku, followed by whatever transformative thing you do.
For example, if you want to "make small" something , chiisai becomes chiisaku-suru. That's the transitive form, to do something TO something. It uses the auxiliary verb suru, which is simply "to do". The intransitive form, the one for something to do something on its own involuntarily, is naru. So chiisaku-suru is "to make [something] small" (through intent), and chiisaku-naru is "to become small" (by itself). A Pokémon "becomes small", which in this case people translate as shrink. It is the name of the move Minimize in Japanese, so you can use that as a visual example of what's happening, and it matches up with the imagery.

It has always been like this in Japan, and it was not localized as such outside of it, much like how localized Gen I never called the region Kanto. This just took much longer to correct.
The anime is a licensed secondary adaptation with relatively hands-off involvement by the game staff. They took many creative liberties. The games and anime are two separate worldviews.

>>58214341
>still talking to yourself
See >>58210533 >>58212415
Nobody bats an eye if you want to ignore some lore for your personal headcanon, you are free to make up any fanfic, fan based stories aren't necessarily bad you know.
You get shit when you pretend your fanfiction is the real canon, which is way different.

>>58214388
>>All of those are from Legends Arceus.
I didn't know Lucian and the canalave library were in Legends Arceus
>but not every mon can...
If you could read you would note shrinking is an instinct, not a conscious decision. Every pokemon being able to shrink by instinct and every pokemon being able to partially shrink for battles are two different things. Not to mention your argument would still fail without this because you could also say
>hur hur how come bite isn't learned by each and every pokemon with jaws
Just say canon makes you cry and you will never accept it, we know that's what happens here.

>>58214362
A real issue or something objectively retarded you made up like when you said having different pokeballs with different effects doesn't make sense if pokemon shrink?
Also yeah the animation used to be falling through the floor until we got more advanced graphics and they decided to use them to depict shrinking again. Which only supports shrinking as the intended way pokemon faint.

>>58209763 (OP)
Does anyone else think its strange that the pokemon world has technology that is way ahead of our own but they still live like small Japanese villages in the 90s?

They've got pokeballs that can shirk or turn physical matter into energy or whatever and they've got pokemon centers that can instantly repair injured pokemon.

Doesn't that kind of beg the question of what else could they do with technology like that?

>>58214537
They can even store pokemon on a PC. Like how does that work? Do they transmute them into raw data and store them in a suspend animation state inside the computer?

>>58214537
Pokemon has had virtual reality and teleportation technology since 1996 in universe. The reason they don't do anything with it is because Pokemon worldbuilding is a fucking joke and most things are only in place for gameplay purposes with no regards to its affect on the lore. This has been the status quo since Masuda took over.

>>58214547
True I forgot about the teleportation stuff. Aside from tech don't they also Canonically have humans who are actually psychic? Like we dont think about it because their universe centers around pokemon and pokemon battles but their technology and abilities kinda mogs our own.

Pokémon are called "Pocket Monsters" for a reason.

>>58214537
Just think of all those war crimes they could commit with such tech.

>>58214537
It's Pokémon that are inherently odd, not the technology. The things that exist the way they do is because of Pokémon. Also, there are real life super small rural Japanese towns decades behind the rest of the world. There are schools with a handful of students that are lasting as long as they can before shutting their doors.

why didn't he just shrink?

>>58215525
Wasn't KO'd, same reason the poachers were able to wrangle Suicune in a net without it shrinking to escape.

>>58209763 (OP)
Shrinking from KOs was the idea at the start, then anime canon took over and it was forgotten until PLA needed an explanation for why low tech balls work.
Shrinking animations in games was merely a shortcut to be ignored (much like evolution cutting between two silhouettes instead of drawing inbetweens) but has since become convenient and canon.

>>58215525
No instinct to shrink there also non-canon anime shit

>>58215566
Also not helped is that neither NoA nor TPCi gave a fuck to localize supplementary worldbuilding material like the original Zukan, which went into notable depth about things that Japan has known since the franchise's inception while the rest of the world went completely blind to it or interpreted any depictions of a Pokemon shrunk down to fit into a Poke Ball as a "cartoon gag" since no dialogue ever has to actually elaborate on what's up with that.
It was ONLY when PLA came around that for the very first time ever, TPCi had no choice but to acknowledge and relay the information of "all Pokemon can shrink down to fit into a Poke Ball, small enough to fit in your pocket, ergo, a pocket monster" and subsequent outrage over a "retarded retcon" ensued despite the fact this was day zero worldbuilding, all because everyone saw the anime's "red beam of energy that converts Pokemon to and from light/data" interpretation, which literally only exists as a budget-saving tactic, as the correct interpretation.

Why do literal shrink believers have such bad media literacy?

>he came back to bump his thread after being btfo a trillion times
>without replying directly of course, or he would make even more obvious he already read (and is ignoring) the arguments that destroyed him

>>58209824
Converting pokemon to data is a recent invention by Bill

>>58217770
Having a micro fetish typically goes hand in hand with a humiliation fetish.

>but if all pokemon have the physiological ability to shrink why can't they all use minimize in battle??
same reason they can't all use growl, leer, body slam, bite, etc

>>58215566
>>58216641
The energy beam is what shrinks them, they can't do it otherwise unless they know minimize. no adaptation has them shink on defeat, its an animation in the games like puffs of smoke in other games and isnt literal.

>>58217868
>no adaptation has them shink on defeat
>its an animation in the games
literal schizophrenia

>Don't teach your pokemon Minimize
>It dies instead of being able to shrink away when in danger

>Don't teach your pokemon Bite
>It dies of starvation

>Don't teach your pokemon Water Gun
>It dies from its bladder exploding

>>58217886
The energy beam feeds them duh

Only 1% of pokemon species are able to swallow.

Even if a Pokemon can't learn Spit Up, that doesn't stop it from being able to vomit if something triggers the need to throw up involuntarily. It's just that it won't be coated in Normal Type Energy, and therefore it isn't a proper move.
Similarly, just because a Pokemon can't learn Minimize, that doesn't stop its body from being able to reflexively shrink the Pokemon when it's KO'd, it's just a matter of being involuntary.

>>58212422
>Wii game still looks and sounds a generation more advanced than the latest Pokeshit not even released yet
grim

>>58217878
>adaptation
reading comprehension, also I addressed the games

>>58212422
Not gonna lie I'm liking this a lot, I don't know why people think shrinking looks stupid, it really makes them feel more like POCKET monsters and it does make them look fantastical, just like Laventon said, I kinda wish it was this noticeable in the main games (but sadly that would be so slow it would feel like playing DP again)
Of course this doesn't matter because it's canon whether you like it or not but I'm really surprised some people hate it so much when it makes them feel like yokai or fae

>>58209763 (OP)
Would Seviper shrink with Cynthia in his stomach?

>>58217938
>Normal Type Energy
???

>>58218323
You know every move has its own elemental type energy right retard? No, "normal" isn't "no element", there's a normal type and there's lack of type, like when a Fire type uses Burn up and becomes no type or when a pokemon can't use any move and uses Struggle, also no elemental.
Using moves, these elemental powered abilities, is one of the defining characteristics of pokemon (see scientists debating whether to consider Zygarde core a pokemon or not because despite being part of a pokemon it can't use any moves)

>>58218323
Type Energy. It's the stuff that allows Pokemon to use moves, and explains why everything manifests as energy constructs, including most actions that sound physical such as Biting or Punching.
Part of the reason Eternatus was so unstoppable until the Hero Dogs arrived is because it can also nullify Type Energy, therefore meaning Pokemon that seek to oppose it literally can't use moves to fight it.

>>58211710
if you crush a pokemon that is inside a pokeball does it die? sorry if that is a stupid question

>>58218490
>and explains why everything manifests as energy constructs, including most actions that sound physical such as Biting or Punching.
.......???????????

>>58218515
What's there to be confused about? These animations aren't abstractions, when a Pokemon uses Crunch, it's literally manifesting a pair of sharp teeth with Dark Type Energy to attack.

>>58215531
>wrangle Suicune in a net
that scene will always make me howl with laughter

>>58218522
I fucking hate nuGF worldbuilding.
Tajiri said early Adventures was the closest to his vision and Bite there is a literal bite.

>>58218540
Yeah, and Pokemon stopped being Tajiri's world as soon as Masuda took over and the worldbuilding started to say "actually, any mentions of the real world are vestiges of the original direction for Pokemon. Pokemon is its own world with parallels to our own, but it is not an alternate version of our world exactly."
Them's the breaks and it's how it's been since gen 3, sorry about that champ.

>>58218512
>if you get a life form in a capsule and crush it beyond recognition would the life form be harmed????

>>58211536
Japan made Shin Megami Tensei. Arceus is the God of Pokemon. The only reason Masuda doesn't say so now is because he's afraid Christian fundamentalists won't buy his game.

>>58218540
I mean it objectively makes more sense. Why can't my pokemon with jaws and teeth and all learn bite? Why can a Zekrom try to slam my little goblin with its giant tail and do nothing? Why can Mewtwo turn a skyscraper into chopsticks with its mind but a british racoon is immune to its most powerful psychic move?
Because moves aren't just the pokemon using their physiological traits like if you made two animals fight, each move is a certain super power fueled by a certain elemental energy. Every move is basically a different spell in this jrpg

>>58218522
that's retarded as all hell, and I reject it.

>>58218656
>Why can't my pokemon with jaws and teeth and all learn bite? Why can a Zekrom try to slam my little goblin with its giant tail and do nothing?
Why can't they though? It makes sense from a gameplay limitation standpoint. Trying to justify it in-universe causes even more problems though, indeed why cannot I instruct my Pokemon to just bite instead of having to use Bite?

>>58218656
What's your take on HMs?
Like is a bush somehow an elemental entity that can only be destroyed by the Move Cut, and that it would be utterly invincible to any other sort of cutting?

>>58209763 (OP)
Pokemon are stored in the balls

>>58218744
That's what Struggle is for, it's what the pokemon uses when it has run of energy for its elemental attacks, the moves. Or do you think the Struggle of a Feraligatr is (in-universe) the same as the Struggle of a Grubbin? Every pokemon can improvise and fight without moves, it's just a suicide strategy.

>>58218763
We know moves aren't required for that stuff, partner Pikachu and Eevee learn abilities that replace the moves that would normally be used for that (in fact they learn them from humans) and Koraidon and Miraidon can do pretty much everything too by themselves, despite not learning Rock Climb or Surf, or anything like that. Pokemon can use their "spells" for mundane tasks but it's not a strict requirement, but just an old game mechanic

>>58218763
not him and not particularly related I guess but I was always perplexed why they never just made certain types of pokemon or certain categories of moves able to go through hazards. Like Fighting/Rock/Ground/Steel could all help you navigate rocky terrain or smash boulders, Flying/Fire/Steel/Ice/whatever could let you cut down shrubs, whatever. I imagine if you just added giant lists of things pokemon can do and there's only a few exceptions, like weak pokemon not being able to do most, fishmons not being able to climb mountains, needing >75 base attack to be able to crush a boulder, or whatever, then it would have been completely fine, and any time the player got stopped they'd just go "oh wow none of my team can let me through there? It looks like [boxed random mon] can do it, lemme swap my team around" and then boom, you have a much more natural way of navigating the setting while also letting your party members feel like they're actually helping you on your journey AND you don't have to handicap your team with HMs (why could we not forget HMs again, exactly?)

>>58218835
If ordering my Totodile to bite something would cause it to use Struggle why would that cause it to take a bunch of recoil damage? Moreso, why can I only use Struggle if all other Moves are used up if it is supposed to just represent normal actions?
I see Struggle as a representation of the Pokémon having exhausted itself but still pushing past its limits.

>>58218855
To encourage players not to run out of PP also no pokemon would normally beat another one without using moves

>>58218864
>also no pokemon would normally beat another one without using moves
Why not? A Marowak hurling its bone club against a Flying Pokémon should do some damage while using Bonemerang would do nothing. It would make no sense for you to eat hits while dishing out Moves that have no effect until you finally order it to actually thow the bone boomerang.

>>58209763 (OP)
Dumb as fuck lore.
Ignored.

>>58214328
debunked

>>58209824
That image is hyperbole.

>>58219379
Nah.

>>58219422
that's a depiction of charizard being turned into energy lol

>>58219487
And it's visibly shrinking.

>the Pokeball is what shrinks the Pokemon
I can accept this
>the Pokemon themselves having the ability to shrink
Kek fuck that shit

>>58219497
Too bad, the second is how the franchise has operated since day zero. You're the one that took a budget-saving mechanism from the animated derivative as gospel over the games themselves.

>>58219504
>noooo you're not allowed to think it's retarded!!! Noooooo!!!!

Shrinktranny putting xerself through an eternal humiliation ritual.

>>58219508
You can, but you have to cope that it's reality. Denying it just makes you the fool, which is exactly what happened to millions of fans when PLA gave localization no choice but to address the fact that, yes, Pokemon shrink when KO'd.

>>58219504
>nooo the pokeball doesn't shrink them and heres proof
>gif of being returned to a pokeball

>>58219520
Yes, but there's no poof or beam of light taking place. It's the Poke Ball triggering the Pokemon's natural shrink mechanism so it can suck the mon into the ball. The shrink mechanism that normally only takes place when a Pokemon is KO'd.

>>58214388
>All of those are from Legends Arceus.
reading comprehension really is a lost art these days.

>>58214447
>ashnime is non-canon
well duh.
it's not like pokemon say their name in the games either. Their cries are the actual sounds those pokemon make, as evidenced by the written onomatopoeia that accompany them when you talk directly to pokemon.

Stadium, snap, ranger, all of it.

Saying their name is exclusive to Pokespe and the Anime, which also do all kinds of made up nonsense. Pokemon is a series where literally the entire anime is filler arc.

>>58219749
>>58219525
Here's a question.

The games have shorts and promo videos now.
How do pokeballs work in those? Beam of light energy conversion, or shrinking?

>>58219749
>written onomatopoeia
A lot of those do resemble syllables of the Pokémon’s name these days.

>>58219763
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYCOc3SiU7A

Pokemon cries like in game.
Typal Energy constructs around attacks, for instance the brick break, bullet punch, focus blast, brutal swing, and air cutter.

We don't see a pokemon faint. Same for victreebel short.

In ZA gameplay footage we visibly see pokemon shrink to a tiny blue orb, then than orb jump back into the pokeball on the trainer's waist, disproving >>58210752 's theory that it's a difference of old vs modern pokeballs. Though we already knew that because of >>58212388 .

It strongly appears like
>pokeballs shrinking
>pokeballs converting pokemon into energy
>pokeballs containing literally anything other than the pokemon itself and some kind of safety lock that can be jammed
are anime only inventions.

>>58217842
Can you pirate a pokemon?

>Kid-friendly copout the size of Yugioh shadow realm bullets
>/vp/ takes it at face value and accepts as canon

>>58218512
Only one way to find out.

Also another questions:
>Is the only altered property of a shrunk pokemon its volume (so its mass stays the same)?
>If so, would it be impossible to have heavy or multiple pokemon on your team on hand?

As an example, Onix weighs 240kg, so a shrunk down Onix should weigh the same. There's no way a regular person - not to mention a child - could carry that much over an extended period of time (unless humans in the PokéUniverse are gifted with unlimited inventory strength).

Meaning if you don't want to end up immobile and crippled, you'd be limited to light and unevolved pokemon and having less mons.

>>58219890
The shrinking is magic bullshit that lightens the weight, otherwise Poke Balls would outright break from the inside at having to try and contain such an immeasurably dense mass, especially back when they were literally made with hollowed out apricots reinforced with stone.

>>58219890
Wrong format.
Become a professor who's specialized in doing that stuff.


>>58219892
Understood.

>>58219487
Nice headcanon but according to the actual canon no it's not

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ruBLEEqw_c
For a brief moment (0:36 - 0:37), you can see a small Pawmi inside the opened Poké Ball.


>>58219422
The problem is that the shrinking animation is really inconsistent over the games. Regarding fainting:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fytgqh_b36o
- All mainline 2D games show them falling through the floor.
- XY / ORAS shows them shrinking.
- SM / USUM shows them briefly shrinking as well, before being immediatley engulfed in a light cloud.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV5g_LN5Uww
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6QyNp_Pcvw
- SwSh and SV doesn't show that at all, the models turn bright and into a light cloud, which looks like they are turned into energy.

>>58219890
>(unless humans in the PokéUniverse are gifted with unlimited inventory strength).
unironically accurate, people in pokemon are way stronger than most pokemon.

>>58220718
>Source: Ash didn't get killed by Pikachu's thunderbolt I guess

>>58220708
I'm so glad this literal shrinking thing the manga has isn't canon for the main games and main anime. After all, the literal shrinking head canon has several issues with it, some of which have already been demonstrated in this thread. Not to mention it makes the idea of Poké Balls more unappealing.

Shrinking is canon. So, either seethe in silence or post macro/micro-philia lewds.

>>58220750
>Posting an image of something that's already been posted and replied to in this very thread.
Uh oh! Looks like literal shrink believers are running out of options. Sure seems harder for Pokémon to hunt and eat each other if they all naturally do this literal uniform shrinking nonsense when they Faint...

>N-n-n-no. They MUST mean shrink in the most literal possible way! Huh? What's that? A series can have retcons, early-instalment weirdness, contradictions and so on which need to parsed using proper media literacy skills? NO! MY HEAD, IT HURTS! They just LITERALLY shrink and there's NOTHING more to it!

>>58220780
If they are killed they dont shrink

>>58220795
>image
Explained already. Uniform shrinking is easier to animate for games. And on top of that the main games have used fancier and fancier effects as new ones in the series come out to indicate there's a lot more mere uniform shrinking going on. Oh, and the Pokémon fall through the floor prior to gen 5, so clearly it's because they thought falling through the floor would look stupid for Pokémon using 3D models, but you dismissed that. But didn't dismiss the games all having Pokémon growing for all the send out animations, but of course since they are send out animations they're all the result of a ball and only they are consistent. But the Fainting animations were falling through the floor and only changed with the first gen to have all Pokémon in it depicted with 3D models. Yet you claim uniform shrinking is canon, and also that it's natural to Pokémon. You claim they're uniform growing when exiting their ball, when because it's animation for games, that the uniform growing effects combined with the increasingly fancier effects are to imply something more than mere uniform growing.

>If they are killed they dont shrink
Anon... Don't you think the effort required to kill is more than that of required to merely Faint? And where's the source that they only don't shrink when when killed? What is exact the criteria to natural shrink VS not naturally shrink?

>>58220841
>>58219504
This isnt falling through the floor, its shrinking

>>58220912
The gif of the second post you linked is a send back to ball animation, not a Fainting animation. In fact, starting with gen 6, the send back to ball animation and the Trained Pokémon Fainting animation are identical, just that for the former it's only the effects and uniform shrinking but with the Pokémon still doing their idle animation, and the Wild Pokémon Fainting animation being identical to the Trained Pokémon Fainting animation just without the effects as there's ball they're being sent back to as it happens.

Take a look here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fytgqh_b36o

From gen 1 to gen 5. The Fainting animation for both Trained Pokémon and Wild Pokémon is falling through the floor. But it's changed specifically when they stared having all Pokémon using 3D models in gen 6, most likely because they thought falling through the floor would look stupid. Why didn't those Pokémon shrink in gen 1 to gen 5? With the manner in which you're interpreting the animations. That's clearly not shrinking, as by your own admission the shrinking effect has been in the series since the start with the animations as reasoning your reasoning literal uniform shrinking is canon, but claim Wild Pokémon naturally uniformly shrink when Fainting. Yet as the linked video shows, both Trained Pokémon and Wild Pokémon do not uniform shrink from Fainting, they fall through the floor, the sprite moving downwards until no longer visible. It was this that was changed in gen 6, where specifically the gen where they started using 3D models for all Pokémon in a game. So what do you have to say?

Why not say that the Pokémon are instead properly just falling over whatever they do and/or running away?

>>58210888
So, technically speaking, breeding Pokémon works the same as breeding mobs in Minecraft? You trigger some reaction, and the result pops up out of nowhere?


>>58212407
1/3
The anime section mentions pokemon turning into energy.
>https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9_Ball#In_animation

I did some digging, and I could be that the anime intentionally introduced the Energy-Theory as its own interpretation of how capturing pokemon works. It's not a translation issue, since these details reflect artistic and plot choices.

- What does a pokeball looks on the inside? Since day one, the anime gave us a technical answer: A symmetric array of plates, mirrors and bolts, which are clearly visible whenever an opened Pokéball faces the camera. In other media (mainline games, Evolutions), a Pokéball's interior shows ... nothing. It's just a blank hull, either completely black or corresponding with the hemisphere's outer color. Aside from Generations, the blank design appears more widespread, which means the complicated design is unique to the anime.
So why was this complicated design chosen over the blank one? The latter looks more like Gachapon balls and is accurate to the original concept idea, so why go the extra mile? And if >>58216641 "budget-saving tactics" were at play, shouldn't a blank interior be easier to draw? It doesn't add up.

- Next, we have this Sci-Fi theme in the earlier seasons. All this futuristic tech, including teleporters and energy rays. It's not farfetched to assume that this complicated interior design reflects this tech as well. Like, what does a mirror do? Reflect light. And what is this energy stream that pokemon turn into depicted as? Correct, it's quite simple to draw the line there. If pokemon were simply shrinking, there would be no need for all this stuff; a dumb blank container would be enough.

2/3
- Several episodes and movies revolve around past methods of catching pokemon.
https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/History_of_Pok%C3%A9_Balls#In_animation
It always some kind of magical artefact or technical solution that turns pokemon into energy, which leads to the assumption that the device itself is behind the capturing mechanism, not the pokemon itself.

- Pokeballs react differently to a pokemon escaping, depending on media. In the games, whenever a pokemon breaks out, the pokeball is destroyed in the process. In the anime, pokeballs are reusable. This would make sense: If a pokemon regrows in an explosive manner, it would cause the pokeball to violently snap open or shatter. Energy on the other hand, as fluid and consistent as it's depicted in the anime, would "leak" and flow out at the weakest opening, leaving the ball mostly intact.

- While probably a one-off gag, we have this one instance with the rice ball which was captured by a pokeball. Adding further to the idea of pokeballs being the ones turn entities into energy.

Of course, there are also hints for the Shrink-Theory. There's this one episode with the Lokoko Ball, which references the first concept idea while lacking the the inner details which all the other anime-pokeballs have. Then you have two scenes with pokemon (Misty's Psyduck, Iris' Dragonite) inside their balls; although both are X-Ray views and you could interpret it as some sort of simplistic depiction of the pokemons' consciousness contained inside the balls (it's a kids show, it's better to convey than some abstract swirling energy bulb).

3/3
To reiterate, the anime PROBABLY went with the Energy-Theory (it's my guess, I'm unaware of any interviews opposing that). Or, it was always about the Shrink-Theory, but with all these misleading hints, it was just natural for non-Japanese people to believe the Energy-Theory. And pre-PLA, most hints were so trivial that they would support either theory, or well hidden. Granted, most plot points are just one-offs, yet they still add to the overall worldbuilding.

Concluding, it is retarded to argue the games support the Energy-Theory, as they were either neutral in this regard or left clues in favor of the Shrink-Theory. But it's also disingenuous to call the Energy-Theory a headcanon, since the anime as official media hinted at it on multiple occasions. In other words, Shrink-Theory is the original concept idea behind capturing pokemon, Energy-Theory is (or was, before PLA "re-retconned" it) the anime's spin on it.

TL;DR: The anime is probably the reason why the Energy-Theory exists.

The absolute sputtering rage response in this thread from the energykeks is a perfect demostration of why they didnt address the misconception with western audiences. It triggers the jewish cute-aggression response in the gaijin. If we could just get a translation of the lorebooks it would clear all this up. Actually, the energykeks would most likely reject it and continue to seethe, like they reject the creators vision, the games, the manga, and the developers interviews

>>58220750
>falling for such an obvious bait
Really?

>"these engergytards sure are raging!'
>he says as he is getting angrier at the people calling shrinking dumb than the energytards he's accusing of being angry

>"shrinking isnt cannon"
>gets his hole stretched with facts and logic
>"well, I dont care because its dumb!
Energykeks crashing out, I love it.

>>58221135
nobody cares if shrinking was always what was intended, it's just retarded.

>>58221753
I think shrinking is cool. The creator agrees

>>58221885
My opinion is more important than yours though, tough luck!

>>58221076
>>58221085
>>58221107
Nice posts anon. I appreciate the level of detail you went into and you pointed out some stuff I'd never thought about like the Pokeball design in the anime. I agree with your take

>>58209763 (OP)
The manga is just fan fiction and isnt canon

>>58212361
Arceus lore is so out there, i wouldn't be surprised if they went with "alternate dimension lol".

Explain this:
-In the first pokemon you and the professor only know of 151 pokemon and are you are actively researching them.
-In gen 4 you have almost 500
-When you go back in time in the same region as gen 4 you DOCUMENT all the ones after gen 4 too, you can find them all around past sinnoh, yet a few hundred years after half the species around are not there anymore and the biggest professors in the world are so incompetent they can't bother searching history books to find past researcher notes.

And you're telling me legend arceus is canon.

>>58222310
Yes it's canon and yes it's stupid.

>>58222310
The "there are only 151 Pokemon known in the world" you speak of is from the Gameboy timeline.
In FRLG, "there are only 151 Pokemon known in the world" was retconned to "there are only 151 Pokemon known in the Kanto region" to futureproof the idea that there will always be more Pokemon out there in an ever-expanding world, thus Legends: Arceus doesn't cause any continuity breaks with Modern Pokemon.

Reminder shudo was a hack confused by the property he was hired to write (hence all the inconsistencies with the core games TPC had to revise when they got shot of him) AND insanely jealous as fuck a bunch of 20-something kids were more important, more well-known and richer than he ever would or could be by the time he'd met the creator of the IP.

>>58222093
>produced under contract from TPC, who themselves are overseen by Game Freak, including but not limited to adhering to any and all Game Freak directives with regards to the presentation of the series
There's also the fact Tajiri OUTRIGHT said the manga was the closest presentation of the fictional world he saw in his head than any released media to-date (including the anime and game series he worked on). Sounds like you're off your meds and think you're the Word of God about your favowite kiddy game series.

>>58209874
>isn’t it said
Post the exact quote, I doubt there is one. What people normally bring up is an animation that looks like Pokemon are shrinking, but it’s not a valid point or else every other animation would also be canon (e.g. Pokemon canonically stand still during fights)

>>58222355
This argument always comes up and never holds any water because its so vague he could be talking about anything, and probably was referring to the overall tone rather than the specific details of ball mechanics given the manga balls are different than the games and concept art.

>>58219820
That's how you get a porygon

>TPC this TPC that
TPC didn't take its current form until late year 2000. Before that they just ran the PokéCenters.

>>58222333
>The "there are only 151 Pokemon known in the world" you speak of is from the Gameboy timeline.
It's from the OG treatment of Pokémon, where they lived in the real world, alongside humans and real animals and adhered to the original timeline regarding discovery of Pocket Monsters (there were only 151 identified, because humans only started studying them in the late 1800's, despite noticing they were a thing).
There's only one core timeline, even ORAS just proves a multiverse (The events of RG and GS occur alongside the events of RS and DP regardless of version of game you play; rest of the franchise still treats Kalos as the region where ME was discovered, despite ORAS claiming it was Hoenn, then mentioning a Hoenn where ME did not exist, which was the Hoenn presented in Gen 3 and which the events of XY happen years after the events of RSE). Same with USM, which tell a differing story to SM, with some similarities (indicating this was a universe where events happened differently, like Lusamine not having a complete mental break), or indeed the rest the rehashes where they re-tread the storyline of the canonical entries but with the third legendary being the focus catch

>>58222093
So is the anime. Only difference is that shrinking is actually in the canon games, not just the manga.

>>58222310
>And you're telling me legend arceus is canon.
Yes.

>>58222393
Even then, there's a very objective difference between Gameboy Era and Modern Era.
Gameboy Era is full of references to our real world, like the Pewter Museum being full of historical artifacts or recreations, Lt. Surge being an American who served in 'Nam, Mew being discovered in the South American jungles, or Team Rocket having a branch of operations in Mother Russia.
As of LGPE, virtually every reference to the real world has been thoroughly scrubbed out, because Pokemon's world is no longer a fantastical version of our world, but its own world that happens to draw inspirations from our world, and it can be assumed that scrubbing retroactively applies to FRLG, which is still considered the "modern compliant" version of Kanto unlike RGB, at least until Kanto gets remade yet again in a compatible fashion.

>>58222370
Nah, having thought about it, the media series where pokémon are presented as shrinking down and chilling in pokéballs as true pocket monsters IS closer to Tajiri's lore of the things, than the esoteric shrink anims they put in the game as a concession to the tech OR to the anime, where shudo flat-out ignored they shrink to make it easier for his boomer brain to translate to screen.
Because that's the crux of it - Pokémon shrink. Have always shrunk since they released the first games and accompanying guide, made in conjunction with the devteam. even if that breaks your fragile little psyche, is something your peon little brain can't wrap itself around the concept, it's what Tajiri wrote. So yeah kid, a manga that showed Pocket Monsters that could shrink to pocket-sized is EXACTLY akin to Tajiri's whole concept of the world he'd created. Die in a fire, save the world your stupidity.

>>58222405
Yeah, they got scrubbed, but that doesn't mean the whole thing was. Red stopped TR, regardless you play FRLG or Blue (US). Misty, Brock and Erika all judged him worthy of their Badges. He helped out the Safari Zone warden and a bunch of thirsty guards.
It took until L: A for Raichu's electricity to be strong enough to beat a Copperajah, but it was still part of the pokémon world regardless what game you played. It's all one timeline, every Gen follows on from the last chronologically, even RSE/DPPt, as technically they happened during events of RG/GS and Game Freak just went back in the timeline to show the alt region's events.

Shrinkchads won.

>>58222333
It does though, it doesn't respect the region it's based on. Read the whole post.

>pokemon shrink when they faint
>pokeballs can also shrink
>pokemon can learn the mive minimize

Maybe the whole miniaturization thing is more of a cultural phenomena from Japan itself. I mean they do have a pretty big obsession with miniatures and making things small.

Its actually kinda horrifying that they naturally shrink because that means that at any moment there could be a really powerful pokemon that you didn't see that finally recovered and returned to full size. Like what if you are walking through the woods and suddenly a full size Ursaring pops up in front of you?

And what about the shrinking pokeballs? How deep does the shrink technology go? Like think about the ability to transport things. You could smuggle gold nuggets by making a bunch of pokemon hold them as an item then load up a bunch of pokeballs in a backpack and move huge amounts of gold or whatever easily. And you can trade pokemon over the PC so maybe that's why in universe it doesn't matter if the roads are dangerous because humans can literally teleport goods via pokemon holding items over a computer.

Because like think about it the pokemon doesn't just shrink, the items it holds shrink with it to fit in the ball.

Bruh I saw y'all postin in here this morning how the F are y'all still on this topic?

Fuckin autistic pokemon fetishists. Any matter converted to pure energy will be completely compressible. There, both of you win the argument, get the fuck off the home page. In fact, lets get /pokemon/ and /mylittleequinepornographers/ hidden off the front page entirely. You're a bad look.

>>58222635
>nooo how dare you discuss the subject matter of the board you are posting on!

>>58222635
BASED Shepherd

>>58222635
Energykeks are devolving into a primitive congoloid state after the ruthless spanking recieved in this thread

>>58222607
>Its actually kinda horrifying that they naturally shrink because that means that at any moment there could be a really powerful pokemon that you didn't see that finally recovered and returned to full size. Like what if you are walking through the woods and suddenly a full size Ursaring pops up in front of you?
Anon that's literally the idea behind "don't get into the tall grass".
If you get into an area where pokemon tend to be you can randomly encounter a pokemon you didn't see. How? How does an Ursaring pop out the grass? How can a Drudiggon go unnoticed until it wants to fight you? Why is that even a small egg can contain a fucking Onyx?
Because they shrink. Because Aggron, Gyarados, Pangoro, Charjabug, Baxcalibur and every other pokemon can be the size of a Joltik (if not smaller) and surprise you at any time.

>>58222635
>his smooth, underdeveloped brain somehow thinks this post is pro-energy
jesus christ