Thread 58210757

>the HM replacement is the phone again
At least you don't wear an ugly pajamas like in Galar but damn we are never getting another raidon are we?

>>58210757 (OP)
Just wait for the gen 10 raidon bro

>>58210757 (OP)
I have rotom fatigue.

>>58210757 (OP)
I sure do miss when Pokemon required me to use MY Pokemon to navigate the world and they had anything to do besides just be a bunch of stats to battle with...
I'd like to think most people complaining about HMs didnt like having to fit cut and rock smash into the 24 moves their team gets, but rather than getting some new system that tied overworld actions to pokemon species, we got nothing, and everything is just goofy motorbikes and phones now.

>>58210798
SM, Arceus and SV did what you just mentioned.

I miss bikes

>>58210914
Do you?

>>58210807
No they didn't. In all these cases you are given pokemon who does these overworld actions exclusively, summoned or whatever, and aren't part of your core team that you also battle with. -raidon only sorta counts but also both things are mutually exclusive.
You don't get to ride on your pokemon, or overcome obstacles with your pokemon, your pokemon are just for battling and nothing else.

>>58210944
me as the schizophrenic gyarados

>>58210944
me as steelix

>>58210944
Biking is cool, all-terrain bike is cringe. Ride Pokemon that are cool like Tauros or Wyrdeer are cool too

>>58210757 (OP)
This is retarded

>>58210798
>I sure did like having a dead slot on my team for some shitmon I only keep around to carry worthless "moves"
Do Pokéboomers really?

>>58210757 (OP)
That sandwich-inhaling mouth-breathing overdesigned trash-heap needs to be dexcut from every future game and they need to let us ride whatever Pokemon we want in bed.

>>58210757 (OP)
>we will never have traversal abilities and proper situational transportation methods ever again because ADD ridden morons couldn't manage their party

>>58210757 (OP)
>bro the phone lets you fly
this shit is so goddamn stupid

>>58210757 (OP)
this game looks so ass

>>58211209
That was also in SV and it looked just as retarded
>no no no we can't let the pc fall on their ass and get an ouchie, they need to freeze in midair like a looney toons character and pull out their phone just above the ground!!!

>>58211046
Boomer here, it was shit back then too. Yon kid's just autistic and hates change.

We should've gotten an Expansion Suit man... would've been perfect for traversal

>>58211852
>>58211046
There's no reason for "HMs" to exist, you should just be able to cut/climb/fly/surf with a Pokemon your party after getting a badge or whatever, and only have to use a generic option if you don't have a Pokemon that can do whatever thing you need on you.

Every Pokemon has running, walking, attacking and even swimming animations now, there's zero reason why we can't have this outside of typical GF corner cutting but hurrdurr better interpret an argument the worst way possible to defend the mega corp that brought in record shares last year.

I wonder how many kids will get hurt/die IRL trying to replicate this

>>58211046
>not using hms as regular moves
Lol?
Cut is shit but barely ever relevant after the very start of the game and useable as an alternative to whatever shitty move you'd have anyway at that point like tackle or pound
Flash is not required
Rock Smash has low damage but the high chance of decreasing defense while also attacking makes it a useable upgrade to something like leer or tail whip
Strength is a fairly strong normal type attack that you can get a lot of mileage out of
Surf is the best water attack in the game unless you want to risk hydromiss
Waterfall and Dive are admittedly obsolete in Gen 2 and 3 because Surf exists and does more damage but afterwards are physical alternatives
Fly deals decent damage and is mostly worth using over other moves of the same type outside of freak instances where the npc gets your ass going for bulk up or something while you're in the air (fucking Mashal)
Whirlpool blows because of low accuracy and small damage over time that nobody gives a fuck about in singleplayer but it's barely even used in Johto anyway
Rock Climb is annoying to have to slot in with all the others in SHITnnoh but is also useable due to its high damage and confusion chance

>>58211891
>Cut is shit but barely ever relevant after the very start of the game and useable as an alternative to whatever shitty move you'd have anyway at that point like tackle or pound
Cut and Slash should be the same move. Cut is unfathomably dull as a move as it is and it makes no sense that Slash can't cut trees too.

>Rock Smash has low damage but the high chance of decreasing defense while also attacking makes it a useable upgrade to something like leer or tail whip
Rock Smash should get increased damage and decreased chance of a Defense drop.

>Strength is a fairly strong normal type attack that you can get a lot of mileage out of
Strength should be Fighting type.

>Surf is the best water attack in the game unless you want to risk hydromiss
There is no issue with Surf.

>Waterfall and Dive are admittedly obsolete in Gen 2 and 3 because Surf exists and does more damage but afterwards are physical alternatives
Dive is shit because it's a two-turn move but Waterfall is a great physical Water option. Not every Water type wants to use Surf.

>Fly deals decent damage and is mostly worth using over other moves of the same type outside of freak instances where the npc gets your ass going for bulk up or something while you're in the air (fucking Mashal)
Fly is only useful because most Flying types get shit moves. It's a two-turn and that's still annoying.

>Whirlpool blows because of low accuracy and small damage over time that nobody gives a fuck about in singleplayer but it's barely even used in Johto anyway
Whirlpool could get increased damage.

>Rock Climb is annoying to have to slot in with all the others in SHITnnoh but is also useable due to its high damage and confusion chance
Rock Climb should be Rock type.

alolan games are the peak
pla would've been too if it wasn't an empty world rushed tech demo

>>58211869
ABout as many who take drugs and jump out the window, because they think they can fly. So not 0% but not 100% (most the drug-heads including myself knew even off our chops, jumping out a window higher than ground level was idiotic as fuck. Except one, who broke both his wrists in the fall).

>>58210757 (OP)
I hated how the HM moves surf, waterfall, fly, rock smash and strength were locked behind that damn battle tower if I wanted refills for in battle use for several pokemon.

the best way HMs have been done in the series so far is LGPE, your partner pokemon uses them but they dont take up move slots

>>58211949
Strength needs to stay normal type unless they either bring back return/frustration or increase the distribution of body slam

>>58212014
There's more Normal moves than just Strength, Return, and Body Slam you know. Increase the accuracy and distribution of Mega Punch and Mega Kick.

>>58211840
I mean at least that was a last resort thing only which actually makes sense in-universe, it's literally a life-saving feature. Now, being able to use Rotom to glide anytime is a little too much, too powerful for a goddamn phone

>>58212089
>Now, being able to use Rotom to glide anytime is a little too much, too powerful for a goddamn phone
I mean, is it? In any game that lets you use Fly, you can fly with a Pidgey. Or a Chatot. Or a Spearow. If a tiny bird can let you soar from city to city why can't a levitating ghost haunting a phone do something similar?

>>58212113
Those guys can hyperbeam. Rotomphone is just Rotom inside a device, not even a proper Rotom form (you can't battle with it)
It's like saying a Ghastly making a doll move should be as powerful as a Banette

>>58212128
What? Pidgey and Spearow cannot use Hyper Beam.

>>58212177
You know what I mean, they are capable or incredibly powerful feats like that. Rotomphone is just Rotom, the actually powerful pokemon, inside a god damn smartphone

>>58212185
Yeah, so? Rotom can use Hyper Beam by your definition. Even Drifloon, despite dex entries saying it does not have the strength to carry children away, can learn Fly in gen 9.

>>58212193
Read >>58212128 again. But slowly. Rotom is powerful. A phone isn't, even if controlled by Rotom.
>inb4 but Rotom fridge is???
Read it again. Slowly.

>a phone isn't
phone is as powerfull as computer doe

>>58212204
>Rotom is powerful. A phone isn't
Wrong.
>Read it again. Slowly.
I could take eons to read it and you'd still be wrong. If a Pidgey can let you fly then a Rotom-phone can let you hover. It makes logical sense.

>>58212207
>>58212209
>lalalalala I can't hear you
A Pidgey is a magical animal with super powers. A Rotomphone is a possessed smartphone that can't even battle. Even Cosmog is stronger than a Rotomphone.
Sorry you don't play the games.

Rotom is a magical animal with super powers.

>>58212219
>A Rotomphone is a possessed smartphone that can't even battle
Rotom is a magical animal with super powers.

>>58212220
>>58212222
Yeah, Rotom. Not the Rotomphone. A Rotomphone can't even fight, while the Rotom inside can. A Rotom is a magical animal with superpowers, a Rotomphone is a fucking smartphone in control of Rotom.

See? That's why you have to learn to read slowly, you dumb subhumans.

>Yeah, Rotom. Not the [Rotom]
What did he mean by this?

>>58212230
A Rotomphone hovers. All the time. Rotom is making it hover.

>>58212232
>Rotom and a smartphone controlled by a Rotom are the same thing!
So if I make my Alakazam ride my car my car suddendly has psychic powers huh? Good to know.
Also this is the third time you pathetically reply indirectly like a rat so consider this your last (You)

>>58212236
>any device that hovers should be able to glide while carrying a 15yo
Sure

>Rotom and Rotom are the same thing
Uhh.. yah.

>>58210798
bikes are fine, riding on pokemon is fine. riding on legendary pokemon is UNACCEPTABLE!.

>>58212243
>Sure
Yes. Play the games. It's clear you don't.

Remember how the Rotomdex unironically talked to the player in clear language as a sapient being with feelings and complex thoughts?
What is the moral implication of using these creatures as slaves to power zoomers' mass produced smartphones?

>>58212275
Probably similar to Meowth in the anime.
Odds are, they're plenty capable of fucking off if they genuinely don't care for the job.

>>58212262
And in what game they say or show a phone controlled by a Rotom having the same powers as a Rotom? Because last time I checked Galar and Paldea a phone controlled by a Rotom couldn't even fight, completely obliterating your headcanon and making you cry and seethe like a bitch.

>>58212319
SV. Play the game.

>>58210757 (OP)
The thread you made over at /v/ got archived despite your relentless samefagging, 'ric

>>58212319
Floating is not fighting. Why are you comparing the two?

>>58211081
This, people are fucking outraged at the notion of having to put the slightest bit of thought into traversal, as though the minute you add a Pokémon that can surf, your entire team is completely unusable (also as though surf mons don't include practically every water type and half of the remaining Big Guys)

>>58212351
>doesn't show the phone having Rotom's magical superpowers, it just floats like many devices can do
I stand correct. Play the games and learn to read buddy

>>58212375
Fighting is a way for pokemon to express their power. Rotom is a powerful being capable of lots of thing. The phone isn't.
Naturally the retard who claimed it's okay for the phone to be able to glide while carrying a person because Rotom can fly wouldn't understand how dumb his argument is but we know he's a lost cause.

>>58212006
It also had a good system of other Pokémon being useable as well, like gyarados/lapras surfing, charizard fly etc. if they just expanded this significantly and scrapped the partner shit it would be perfect.

>>58212395
You're full of headcanons. A Pokémon who doesn't fight doesn't magically lose its powers. Just like how Machoke can work as a construction worker without fighting. And several other "peaceful" Pokémon who just do some kind of job.

>>58212433
>no haha Rotom just has potentially infinite forms by possessing any electronic device, each and every single one is a legit form with types and moves and could fight, it's not just the very specific set of aparatus it actually uses, any fridge, any washing machine, anything at all is a Rotom form capable of fighting, Rotom just chooses not to fight in 99% of them!
Nice headcanon amigo, what's your favourite Rotom form? Mine is Old TV Form Rotom, type Electric-??? and capable of using Crabhammer. Too bad no dex has ever registered it as an actual form but oh well

>>58212455
What are you talking about? What does that have to do with the fact that Pokémon have all their powers even when not fighting? You're grasping for straws to make your inherently flawed argumentation work.

>>58212462
>no I swear any device possessed by Rotom has each and every single one of Rotom's abilities!
Yeah I'm sure the TV or the phone your character uses can use protect, swift, night shade, sunny day, will o wisp, helping hand... Tell us more about your headcanon.

>>58212395
>it just floats like many devices can do
It breaks a person's fall. Normal devices can't break a person's fall.

>>58212474
Again, you're comparing battling capabilities vs non-battling capabilities. That's not how it works.

>>58210757 (OP)
Wish HMs could be used in the overworld without having to taking up a move slot and brought back.

>>58211047
>spoiler
I'd rather ride a bed Pokémon around. It'd be funny.
>inb4 electric/psychic bed form Rotom

>>58212481
No, I'm comparing the super powers pokemon have. You can ride a Pidgey because it's not a real mere animal but a super powered magical-like being, because it's an actually powerful creature. A TV, phone, or any other normal electronic devide isn't like that even if it's being possessed by a pokemon, like I said earlier that's like saying a car has psychic powers if you just make an Alakazam drive it.

>>58212514
>A TV, phone, or any other normal electronic devide isn't like that even if it's being possessed by a pokemon
That's your headcanon.
>that's like saying a car has psychic powers if you just make an Alakazam drive it.
You mean if an Alakazam makes it float while you're in it. Then it's Alakazam using its powers on an object to help you out. Which is exactly what the Rotom in the phone does. The phone doesn't have powers, Rotom does, the phone being a medium it uses its power through.

>>58210757 (OP)
>we are never getting another raidon are we?
Good, I'd rather use my own Pokemon over a gift legendary.

>>58212568
>of course the TV or any device can do anything a normal Rotom can! Wait I can't prove it? Well my vibrator not being able to use Shadow Ball is headcanon, ha!
Retardo...
>the phone doesn't have powers, Rotom does
That's exactly the thing you dumbskull. Rotom has powers. The phone doesn't. The phone doesn't automatically gain any and all Rotom's powers just because Rotom is controlling the phone.
A Rotomphone is NOT a Rotom in the form of a phone, it's a phone using Rotom as OS, just like Alola's dex isn't a Rotom in form of dex but a dex ran by a Rotom or how the first instance of a MC finding the species isn't a Rotom in form of TV but an old TV with a Rotom inside.
abilities of a Rotom =/= abilities of a mere smartphone ran by a Rotom

>>58212592
The Rotomphone can break people's falls by hovering.

>>58212594
Which is far from everything a Rotom can do yeah but hey if your headcanon insists anything a Rotom can possess can actually do everything a Rotom does I guess Pokemon world's Ironman could be just an old man with a Rotom inside his pacemaker firing Charge Beam from his chest, why not

>>58212601
There's no reason to think they can't, however, they won't. The Rotoms that enter Rotomphones are specially bred to dislike battling and to find Rotomphones home, so once they enter one they rarely if ever leave. But they still have their full range of moves, like all Rotoms, and can break the falls of their owner by hovering. ZA even lets you fly upwards with them too.

>>58210757 (OP)
>another raidon
Nigga that was LAST game. And the game before that we had ride Pokemon also.

In fact we've had more ride Pokemon than Rotom bike
>Ride mons
LGPE
PLA
SV

>Rotom bike
SWSH
PLZA

So why are you acting like this is a pattern?

>>58212592
You argue a Pokémon shows its power through battle, which is obviously false.
And somehow you think "nuh uh, a phone possessed by Rotom OBVIOUSLY can't do the same things that Rotom does!" even though several media depict Rotom phones as floating or changing shape. You just think your headcanon is right and ignore all canon material that proves you wrong. You're retarded and possibly autistic on top of that.

>>58210757 (OP)
They could replace HMs with licenses, and let either ride your pokémon if you have any, or use a rental one if you don't
But this is a game from a small indie company, not Palworld

>>58210807
Are you retarded?
They had a bunch of rental pokemon foreign to your team that appeared out of nowhere
Still better than phone bullshit, but worse than just riding your own pokemon

>>58212625
>they can they just won't because are a special bred that dislikes battling and basically never want to leave!
Holy headcanorino Batman

Alola did HMs the best, but none of you are ready to discuss that.

>>58212392
Other RPGs already did HMs better than Pokemon ever did. You simply unlock field abilities that allow you to access areas you couldn't before. That's it. These abilities don't take up space in your battle moves.

Rather than HMs that hog the move space, requiring to visit the Move Deleter, they should be Medals which doesn't impact the move space, or simply giving more room for moves rather than just 4.
Yes, I want to ride my 'mons again

>>58213323
You said it before than me.

>>58212514
>You can ride a Pidgey because it's not a real mere animal but a super powered magical-like being, because it's an actually powerful creature.
NTA but it is a mere animal, because there aren't animals in Pokemon. It's just that "mere animals" can do shit real animals can't.

>>58213350
>it's a mere animal except for the fact Pokemon's mere animals are not like mere animals

>>58213359
In universe it is, because our "mere animals" don't exist in Pokemon.

>>58213308
>same as Legends Arceus but way more orthopedic, slower and uglier, which is way slower and more orthopedic than Koraidon/Miraidon
>best
hell no

>>58211081
>having shitmons sitting in your party while everything else hogs exp is le challenging and fun party management guys!!

>>58213360
In universe Pidgey doesn't have the equivalent power of a pigeon here anon, so it's not remotely comparable even if it's as common as one

>>58210798
>>58211046
HM apologists are entirely braindead

>>58213516
Literally the only problem with HMs is that they take up a move slot. That shit could have been fixed trivially in Gen 3 by tying that sort of thing to species.
>But I don't want one of the dozens of Pokemon that could theoretically be able to do certain actions
You'll accidentally cover almost all of them if you build a reasonable team. The only people who are remotely negatively impacted are people doing weird variant runs and children who can't read/yawnfag who only use their over-leveled starter.

>get what you want: no more HMs
>still complain

>>58210757 (OP)
I hated the shitty motorcycle dragons from Scarlet and Violet just let multiple Pokemon be mountable like in that new Digimon game

This game seems like it's a step back from PLA in every department besides battling and graphics

I have Rotom fatigue.

Why didn't they bring back ride pokemon?

You CAN'T top the serpent kings

>>58210944
>bikes are bad because of one (1) game that's bad, and the bike has nothing to do with its badness

>>58210798
As much as I think HM's were imperfect in practice, I really liked them as an idea.
I think in a game about catching monsters, obstacles that need to be cleared by monsters that you catch is the best way to gate progress.

>>58214339
I'm not saying bikes are bad just that the last time we had one it was incredibly awful
And yeah the bike is part of the problem, nobody liked galar pajama bike shit. I personally prefer pokerides but I would still like a good bike, it's just that this shit made me lose hope

>>58211046
>WAAAH I have to sacrifice muh perfect heckin Pokémon!

>>58210757 (OP)
>HMs are dead and in the ground
Thank god. They were the worst part of the older games (after grinding of course) and to see them gone is fantastic.

>>58210757 (OP)
Will aldith's Seviper be in X&Y?

>>58210757 (OP)
What happened to the Gogoat Shuttle?

>>58213685
Came here for this. I’m tired of Rotomslop.

>>58210757 (OP)
I hate longstanding franchises stripping out parts of their identity for a fucking smartphone, its become such a common thing now.

>>58210944
Me as the Rare Freddy Freaker

>>58216555
People have been complaining about this for years my man. I still remember the flip phones in advent children causing seething, and that's not getting into super sentai having the morphers being mobile phones since phones became a thing.

It's been 20 years.... move on.

>>58216555
>hates Phones
>Those digits

>>58210757 (OP)
Anything is better than HMs. Getting rid of them was the best decision GF has made

I don't give a shit about HMs being gone
Can they just use ANYTHING that isn't Rotom though. I'm tired of everything having to do with that stupid cunt.
When these motherfuckers remake Gen 2 they're going to end up removing the PokeGear and all of its features to replace it with a soulless rectangle of Rotom that does nothing.

>>58210774
This series really did become slop with the 3d era eh?

>>58216894
>"Shit gets better with age, goy!!! Just open your maw for another smelly diarrhea load!!!"
No

>>58219509
>Shit gets better with age
Your existence clearly proves otherwise

>>58219517
>drops his entire argument for a pathetic le dunk xD reddit moment
Fickle little femboy cuck, holy shit

When the game is shit, I look forward to memes of the trainer ACKing themselves with the phone

I'm tired of every game having to have phones just because gen alpha's addicted to them
Games are meant to get away from the horrors of what's going on out there

>>58219599
Games have always had modern technology.

>>58219613
And that's why the old pokedexes were flip phones right?

>>58219535
>Doesn't point out how i'm wrong
Typical

>>58211965
stop being a drughead its not good for you I say this as someone who never touched drugs in their life

>>58219623
What do you think was considered modern when those came out you braindead zoomer fuck

>>58210757 (OP)
Poké Rides were the perfect replacement for HMs. Game Freak love introducing great ideas and throw them out the window right after