Thread 58213023

Why does Game Freak continue to shill both Charizard and Pikachu when Gengar is more popular than both of them?

Link with all Top 10s of each region: https://johtotimes.com/issues/2025-08-14-johto-times-favourite-pokemon-poll-2025-preliminary-results
Video with the results of every single pokemon: https://youtu.be/QlXgDUBE3d4
Are your favorites in the Top 10?

>>58213023 (OP)
Despite everything, Typhlosion's still in it to win it.

>>58213023 (OP)
I thought that the Squirtle line was more popular than that.
Charizard is well...CHARIZAAAARD, Bulbasaur seems to be more popular than freaking Mewtwo, but the Squirtle line all got beaten by Gyarados...

Clearly the duck was a failure.

>>58213023 (OP)
>Are your favorites in the Top 10?
yes

>>58213042
My little fangirls haven't abandoned me! I will have to give them a nice present when I'm free from prison...

>emboar is the fully evolved starter with the fewest votes
god what a fucking mistake of a design

>>58213042
Why the fuck Umbreon has so many votes? It's even more than the shillfrog.
Is this the new NPC mon?

>>58213405
>new
It was always the edgetard choice lad. If anything, time has proven just how great a representative for edgy little tweenagers it really it.

Rillafags in shambles

>the western fanbase has been confirmed as people who love designs made for 11-year-olds
>the eastern fanbase has been confirmed as people who have no taste of their own and like whatever TPC tells them to like

>>58213023 (OP)
Why is Meganium so unpopular? Why do normies have such shit taste?

>>58213430
>Snom
But why?

>>58213440
He cute

>>58213023 (OP)
>not even in the Top 10
Feraligatr confirmed a flop. They should have put Primarina in Legends ZA instead.

>>58213023 (OP)
>shoehorned into Smash
>given everything he needed to be a VGC staple
>got the Ashnime bonus
>still the least popular Alolan starter
How embarrassing…

>>58213210
Arcanine will be dexcut

>>58213437
Like Venusaur, Meganium is a downgrade from its previous stages.

>>58213475
>Lycanroc is third
Just… why?

>>58213023 (OP)
My favorite is 11th. Higher than that Pokemon of the Year poll, at least.

>>58213483
No he’s not

>>58213023 (OP)
No but she’s Top 20 at least

>>58213023 (OP)
>no Nidoking
>Dragonite that high
Modern pokémon fans are tasteless.

>>58213475
Incineroar is a failed shillmon

>>58213148
Tinkaton should have been a shillmon

>>58213475
>shoehorned into Pokken
>shoehorned into Unite
>shoehorned into PLA
>"give it a pass" type
>(technically) shoehorned into SV's first DLC
>got the robbed underdog bonus (especially after the public was angry about Greninja's defeat a generation earlier)
>shoehorned into Friends
>lost to "my only personality is that I'm jealous of Pikachu"
How embarassing...

>>58213514
Nidoking is overrated. There are far better kaijumon designs.

>>58213475
The way I see it, the Alolan starters are all loved enough to be the best boys

>>58213475
Good the bara tiger is shit

>>58213148
Tinkaton my beloved.

>>58213435
Every Pokemon design is made for 11 year olds.

>>58213475
>poll on spergy retard website in having spergy retard tastes
>this is surprising to /vp/
For all you tards' insistence 'Roar failed, just remember (You)'re also the same spergy twenty-something retards the franchise ignores. And the failure of the Gen was the ganky looking thing that got a regional form the very next Gen after its debut.

>>58213495
It's only that high because "fast Rock type Pokemon". If it wasn't Pokefags would crucify it.

>>58213023 (OP)
>1st place in Johto is Umbreon
>1st place in Unova is Zoroark
>1st place in Kalos is Greninja
>1st place in Galar is Corviknight
>1st place in Paldea is Ceruledge
Are Pokemon fans mostly edgetards?

Comparing the Paldean species that performed best in the Eastern ranking (GameWith) with the ones that performed best in the Western ranking (this one). The ones that weren't mentioned are unknown because the Eastern ranking only had 28 Paldean species.

>>58213023 (OP)
No I don't believe this recent revisionism.
No one ever loved dragonite, he was always an absolutely ugly disappointment

>>58213023 (OP)
Don’t act like they don’t also shill Gengar
>>58213042
My boy Crobat
>>58213989
Of course, most Pokemon fans have an autist’s view of what’s “cool”

>>58214058
It was already 6th place in the Pokemon of the Year 2020 vote.

>>58213495
>prevo was teased to have something special about it in prerelease season
>multiple forms including edgelord form and special snowflake form
>big storyline in anime
Gee anon, I wonder why

>>58214058
He always was popular , stop with your bullshit

>>58213514
>Modern
Nidoking never was popular not even during gen 1

>>58213023 (OP)
Idk what are you talking because Gengar still is shilled and get merch everytime

>>58213405
Umbreon is organically popular.

>>58214078
Did empoleon flop?

>>58214091
Okay, you're talking shit now, zoomer.

>>58214124
Considering its baby form is way more popular, yeah.

>>58214124
It was 11th place and lost to Darkrai by less than 100 votes.

>>58213042
Based, the shitposters and secondaries lost
>>58213023 (OP)
What are you playing at? Gengar gets nearly the entire type’s worth of shilling all to itself, along with a mega (with the most broken ability) and a giga.
>>58213466
Weird that no member of the gatr line even made it to top ten. johto isn’t like KANTOOOOOOOO or Sinnoh where there are many shillmons to compete for the top spots. Chikorita like has the “girly defensive grass type herbivores are lame” excuse

>>58214244
Kek, nobody likes feraligayturd. Barafags lost biggly.

>>58214244
Feraligatr, just like Empoleon, is 11th place and only lost to Crobat by...5 votes.

>>58213023 (OP)
Pikachu and Charizard fans have a 42% better chance at living than Gengar fans

>>58213023 (OP)
Because Gengar is so good it sells itself

>>58213478
and Z-A will be dexcut from my wallet unless they pull a Vulpix situation

>>58213023 (OP)
Gengar had both a Mega AND a Gigantamax form. Not shill my ass. Just say you hate Charizard.

>>58214124
i think piplup is just really popular with women i always see plushies and shit of it everywhere

>>58214255
I feel like it would’ve been more popular had its design not degenerated over the years

>>58213643
>just remember (You)'re also the same spergy twenty-something retards the franchise ignores
If they did listen to us we'd have better games. They need to stop catering to kids who don't care about anything but Pikachu plushies and gacha games. We need a return to
>good, complex region design
>dungeons
>challenging gameplay
>smartly made Pokemon teams
>good postgame content
>battle facilities
>kaijumons
>dark, serious undertones
>asshole rivals
>no more tourist trap regions with signature food items
>no more infinite TMs
>no more forced EXP share
>no more useless handholding
>replace Horizons with Pokemon Origins gen 2

>>58215058
>>good, complex region design
Pokemon regions have never been complex. Play an actual JRPG for that.
>>58215058
>>dungeons
Oh boy I sure love spraying repels and needing to bring an HM slave with me.
>>challenging gameplay
Just do a nuzlocke or not use any items.
>>smartly made Pokemon teams
This isn’t smogon.
>>good postgame content
That’s what DLC is for now.
>>battle facilities
RNG facilities where your entire team is OHKOd by Sheer Cold Quick Claw Walrein are not good content.
>>kaijumons
Are Baxcalibur and Iron Thorns not enough for you?
>>dark, serious undertones
Arven’s parents were straight up murdered by Pokemon.
>>asshole rivals
Klara and Kieran exist.
>>no more tourist trap regions with signature food items
As opposed to Japan four times in a row?
>>no more infinite TMs
That was one of the best quality of life features introduced in Gen 5 and you want them gone? What is wrong with you?
>>no more forced EXP share
Just rotate your team. You’re encouraged to use many different Pokemon.
>>no more useless handholding
Fair I guess.
>>replace Horizons with Pokemon Origins gen 2
Johto is nowhere near as popular as Kanto. The anime would flop hard if they did that.

This is why fans are not in charge of the franchise.

>>58213437
You come to realize over time that your favorite being unpopular is a good thing, less likely to be ruined by shit memes and porn

>>58215202
If you tie your personal happiness to online perception of your favourite things, you're an unsalvageable mess of a human.

>>58215202
This. Who gives a fuck if a pokemon you like isn't popular?

>>58215202
>less likely to be ruined by shit memes and porn
Memes and porn only ruin pokemon if the porn is the meme, so far that's only true for Vaporeon and Gardevoir. Maybe Typhlosion if your whole circle of friends is terminally online.

>>58214078
>no lopunny
who the fuck did they poll

>>58215192
> Johto is nowhere near as popular as Kanto
The only reason Johto isn’t as popular is because it’s never been given any focus that isn’t just propping up KANTOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Everything people hate about Johto is an be summed as (too much KANTOOOOOOOOOOOO)

>>58215270
It's a bulbapedoia poll. Shit taste is inherently inbound.

>>58215270
>>58215281
It was already nowhere near from Top 10 in the Pokemon of the Year 2020.

>>58213475
let's also not forget that if it weren't for vgc it wouldn't even be on that list

>>58215295
that's insane to me, it's one of the most iconic gen 4 mons. i would've expected it to dominate the charts like gardevoir did for gen 3, only competing with lucario, garchomp, the eevees, and the starters. i'm glad darkrai made the top 10 at least?

>>58213405
>shillfrog
who the fuck is the shillfrog? politoed???

>>58215343
he means greninja

>>58213023 (OP)
Nah it should be Nidoking. I spent 2 hours on tallying up the votes of the previous top 5 thread then the thread died

>>58215445
You got a link to the thread so I can do the other regions?

>>58215448
https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/58172382

>>58215448
>>58215455
way I did it was 5 points for 1st, 4 for 2nd, etc

>>58213023 (OP)
I will never get how dragonite is a popular pokemon

>>58215465
most pokémon fans like the cute ones, like 60% of the fanbase is women

>>58215455
>>58215460
Im gonna get to at least gen 5 and up. Gonna take a hot minute.

>>58213023 (OP)
I still can't believe they nerfed gengar so hard in gen 7. I have to imagine it was sabotage. They have been known to do that, after all.

>>58213572
that's tinkatuff doughie

>>58213495
lycanroc is the absol/lucario/zoroark of gen 7 anon

>>58215274
Johto dex is fucking dogshit lmao in fact the latest tcg pocket about johto have Been the worst

>>58215571
And the floppiest packs and months too even the ultra best packs did more money lmao

>>58215324
lopunny is only popular with coomers and porn addicts, gardevoir despite the memes is popular all around

>>58215833
lopunny's porn is all garbage, its appeal is as a peak cutemon. everybody loves lopunny!

>>58215868
as a cutemon enjoyer, Buneary is cuter. Also has an anime boost

Gardevoir is so popular

>>58215918
Is it a coomer thing? A woman thing?

>>58215192
nta, but
>Pokemon regions have never been complex
true
>Oh boy I sure love spraying repels and needing to bring an HM slave with me.
the wild pokes suck but i think they work as trainer gauntlets. plus there are overworld encounters now so the first point is moot anyways
>Just do a nuzlocke or not use any items
true
>This isn’t smogon
i don't really think they need to be that put-together, at bare minimum let gym leaders have full movesets for christs sake
>That’s what DLC is for now
unfortunate but true
>RNG facilities where your entire team is OHKOd by Sheer Cold Quick Claw Walrein are not good content
c'mon, that's a LITTLE exaggerated. most of them are kinda lame since it's just battles one after the other with nothing really inbetween though i'll say
>Are Baxcalibur and Iron Thorns not enough for you.
true. but i still think bax's head looks like it got squished by a door, just a little bit
>Arven’s parents were straight up murdered by Pokemon.
true but they don't really put much focus on that beyond "yeah my parents are gone now". could just be my gay ass wanting more edge though idk
>Klara and Kieran exist.
true. don't forget bede too
>As opposed to Japan four times in a row?
i prefer either really. and signature foods are kino
>That was one of the best quality of life features introduced in Gen 5 and you want them gone? What is wrong with you?
true + i think TRs and TMs coexisting is a good compromise
>Just rotate your team. You’re encouraged to use many different Pokemon.
the option being gone does kinda suck
>The anime would flop hard if they did that.
idk i dont watch the anime lel

>>58213042
Only /vp/edos think Typhlosion is unpopular

>>58214078
>Garchomp only 7 votes behind Lucario
So thats the power of being Cynthias ace ..

>>58214124
No, its avg
But mogged by Piplup

>>58213148
Ceruledge is the most clear example that coolmons > goofymons.

>>58213023 (OP)
Gengar has always been a shillmon, I don't bitch because is my favorite Pokemon but saying that Gengar isn't a shillmon is a bold lie

>>58214078
I genuinely don't understand how people look at garchomp and think "this is a good design"
is it because of its stats? it has arguably the most absurd distribution until gen 9

>>58216791
ceruledge is too edgy, armarouge is clearly superior in every way

>>58213475
it makes me giggle. than despite all the masuda shilling, incineroar still isnt as popular as primaqueen and superior owl

incineroar, what a piece of shit pokemon

>>58215542
>I still can't believe they nerfed gengar so hard in gen 7.
Because Mega Gengar exists. Also it walks on the ground so it makes no sense to have Levitate. Froslass on the other hand should have Levitate as at least one of its abilities.

>>58216846
well I don't see Armarouge nowhere near that list, do you?

Ceruledge has been consistently the fan favorite since it's reveal, followed by Tinkaton and Gato sexo, the only thing surprising on that list is that Clodsire isn't higher.

>>58216791
>>58213989

>>58213989
If that were true Mega Victreebel wouldn't exist.

>>58216863
>it literally hangs itself
I think it is quite fitting actually.

>>58216863
Gamefreak goes against the fans' wishes every occasion they can. We could have gotten Mega Raichu, but no, it had to be a mon literally NOBODY cared about. It's like giving Dunsparce an evo only for it to be an even goofier and still lame Dunsparce instead of a cool dragon.

>>58216852
>Because Mega Gengar exists.
It wasn't nerfed in gen 6 retard lmao. They decided to make the change after when it was most important.
>Also it walks on the ground so it makes no sense
supremely dumb "logic", they've never cared about that before or since.

>>58217528
Mega Gengar being so broken and frustrating in gen 6 is why Gengar got nerfed in gen 7. Even just having EQ work on it before it mega evolves and starts using its Shadow bullshit is a huge boon to anyone fighitng that stally perish trap piece of shit.