Thread 58240298

BRUH HEEEEEEEEEEELLL NAAAAW

>>58240298 (OP)
>ZA is the first gen 10 game
It's over

>>58240298 (OP)
PKHex GODS won.
>pay $0
>do everything :)

>>58240298 (OP)
where is the official source for this information?

>>58240298 (OP)
>>58240309
Generations are dead since USUM released new pokemon within "gen 7"

>>58240310
>pkhex for post-SV games
never ever

>>58240368
GF considers megas new pokemon so based on your logic ORAS killed gens first

Wasn't the entire point of changing Home so it stored Pokemon piecemeal to prevent exactly that?

>>58240298 (OP)
that's stupid, I thought they figured this out with the HOME tracker profiles

>>58240298 (OP)
You can transfer mons from SV to SwSh though

Can't you already transfer from and to gen 8 and 9? So stupid

>>58240368
but enough about b2w2

>>58240584
THAT AIN'T DON'T MEAN NO NOTHING

Either this is just a ZA thing, or future games have completely revamped Pokemon's data structure. At least the latter has potential to be a good thing.

>>58240337
https://legends.pokemon.com/en-us/news/pokemon-home

>>58240310
I am laughing as much as the next Anon but you know ZA's all gonna come from Switch 1 right? then when the Switch 1 is done.....

Good thing I'm not buying a game just to get a bunch of power-up forms that'll appear in Champions later

Anyone with more than two braincells knows they are ditching the turns for the mainline games so it makes sense, you can update your pokemon into the Z-A real time action system but those from Z-A and beyond can't go back to the turn system.

>>58240298 (OP)
why is this still a thing? They can reset moves and everything now so there's no reason to keep them gen locked

What the fuck, that was literally the point of HOME and how it expanded on Bank.

wasn't this supposed to be one of home's few selling points

>>58240584
>>58240591
They probably had placeholder data added when they setup things for Gen 8 to account for anything to add in Gen 9. Presumably they ran out between all the stuff specific to both PLA and SV.

>>58240298 (OP)
So a reverese LGPE situation.

Wait, doesn't this mean SwSh and SV are the sane generation causr they CAN transfer between eachother freely? Lol.

>>58240298 (OP)
Talk like a human being

>>58240298 (OP)
>Play for a service to Transfer Pokemon
>There's still limitations

>>58240298 (OP)
how fucking annoying is this shit, why would they do that.

>>58240298 (OP)
this is the dumbest fucking thing i've ever heard, i swear they literally can't do anything right oh my fucking god

>>58241091
They can steal their communities money while spitting in their face so there is one thing they can do right.

>>58240298 (OP)
So we're in this period where we're kinda in a new gen but not really. Vgc is leaving SV for Champions too. I guess if you want ot Mega your current pokes you can do it in Champions. But if you want like a new ribbon or something it'll be stuck in ZA.

>>58240560
>no new dex number
nope

>>58240560
What are the Pokedex numbers of the Megas?

>>58241208
>>58241211
>they can't be new pokemon if they don't have unique dex numbers
That's a neat logic but GF disagrees, which means it's wrong. Too bad huh?

>>58240579
>>58240580
IMO they never intended to make the format last as long as possible, this just happened to be the fastest way to not have to make games compatible with each other
Gen 5 to Bank was a one way trip
Bank had a one way trip from gen 6 to 7
Bank to Home was a one way trip
If gen 9 to 8 transfers are allowed (I don't know as I don't use it), this sadly was an anomaly

>>58241227
>they can't be new pokemon if they don't have unique dex numbers
Yes.

>>58241380
>I write the rules, not Game Freak
Sure you do, schizo. Sure you do

>>58241371
The gen 8 and 9 games can have pokemon move freely between them as long as they were in the game. Each game would track the moveset it had and would return to what it had if it left the game and came back. And yea this was an anomaly and a pretty welcome one. You could get shinies in SV and get them SwSh ribbons etc. Legends Arceus worked the same way.

>>58241392
indeed

>>58240368
Should have just used Meltan and Melmetal, they are straight up considered regionless

>>58240298 (OP)
This is literally how it has always worked, you fags do nothing but complain

>>58241526
All gen 8 and 9 games can freely move Pokemon around to eachother

>>58240298 (OP)

That’s crazy. They already have an instance method where individual game versions of the Pokémon are saved as one Pokémon on Home. Why get rid of such a good system?

>>58241526
You are clinically fucking retarded, Home being able to transfer Pokemon into any connected compatible game is one of the chief selling points of the service. As it is right now I can take my Pikachu to SwSh, PLA, and SV freely. Now with this if I take that same rat to ZA it can't go back to any of the other games, even if I put it back in Home. Fucking stupid.

>>58240803
all that needs to be saved is move data, the turn system doesnt matter

>>58241562
>Why get rid of such a good system?
Because now they'll be able to charge you for the next system

the entitlement from transferfags is pretty pathetic ngl

>>58240793
>he thinks he's gonna be able to use all of the new stuff in Champions without importing from Pokémon Home
Shiggy Diggy

>>58241709
This. By the time you're allowed to use those Megas in Champenis via rental, they'll already be powercrept and irrelevant thanks to whatever broken bullshit Gen 10 DLC introduces.

>>58241708
it's literally what they sold the service to do you insufferable fucking dickrider

I mean it's fine, I almost never transferred backwards anyway. The question is why though? Is there some mechanical change that would prevent them from working in the old games? Maybe they are getting rid of IV's?

>>58241526
It's literally the exact opposite of the way home works in every other case.

apparently it's latinxs' fault

>>58241908
it's not the spics' fault that game freak is so incompetent that they cannot think ahead for something as simple as adding a new language

>>58241908
That's just centro's speculation.
Mind you, it makes some sense, we have seen such laziness prior but we can't say that's the reason.

>>58241860
We can't say for sure prior to the game releeasing.
Mechanical changes shouldn't matter because the mon is basically different each game but they've lazied out on that before. For instance, they never made Let's Go fully compatible with th rest despite the fact they have no excuse now.

>>58241908
That doesn't explain why you can't transfer old Pokemon back to their origin game after being in ZA

>>58241993
I'm willing to bet that Pokemon data structure is in fact changing as a whole starting with LZA, and our first hint was IVs being seemingly absent in Champions, which implies that the absence of IVs is going to be standard moving forward, likely a concession to minimize the amount of cheaters who have the compulsive need to inject for the sake of 0IV Trick Room mons or "muh confusion/foul play!!!!1" niche scenarios.

>>58242015
Incredible how fans have figured out multi generational transfers including from gen 1/2 to beyond AND back using Pkhex and other services and GF can't do the same

>>58240298 (OP)
This along with paid dlc being announced before release has killed any hype I had for ZA.

>>58242028
VC Gen 1 and 2 mons are converted to the RS data structure in Poketransfer.

>>58242063
But they aren't transferable back to the VC versions. Pokesav was able to convert the gen 1 and 2 mons before Poketransfer and Pkhex can transfer from and to VC games from later gens now

>>58242071
That's just laziness, not inhability.

It's most likely to prevent PKHeX abuse. ZA being on Switch 1 means you'll still be able to dump your save, PKHeX all the items and other shit. No idea why ZA, I doubt there's anything special that would fuck up the already hackable gen 9, but Pokemon ZA seems to be the very last games you can PKHeX for a long while.

>>58240378
>He doesn't know

>>58240298 (OP)
>PLA style gameplay novelty wearing off
>No actual new species to register
>A two-way street instead of "free highways" like with Gen 8 and 9
>Top it off with FOMO Ranked locked items and paid DLC day 1

My enthusiasm for this game keeps plummeting and no amount of new Megas will restore it. I'm sure they will unlock a shiny mythic for a full HOME dex reward like they did with the other Switch games but it seems that's all this game will amount for me

>>58242084
Guarantee Pkhex will be available for ZA and gen 10 within a month of release lol

>>58242173
If datel wants to figure that out, or whatever company wants to fuck with a cart dumper. Before the 3DS was easily hacked, I used a Datel powersave thing. Depends on who is eventually going to beable to dump Switch 2 saves. I hope you're right but doesn't seem likely yet.

>>58241908
FUCK THIS SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

Z-A is gen 10 confirmed

>>58240298 (OP)
Wasn't this how PLA worked with SWSH?

>>58241908
Nah, probably: >>58242015 or something similar to LGPE where they are not willing to make an effort and work things properly. Would be fine if they "update" it later (in case this is just a rush job into production) to recover complete crossgen compatibility but won't hold my breath. As always with GF's retarded logic it means it is laziness, incompetence, a mandate or a mix of all of it.

>>58242380
No. You can transfer freely with every switch game except lets go.

>>58241708
Transferring is the entire point of the service you braindead dumbass

>>58242384
>Would be fine if they "update" it later

I don't think that's gonna happen either. They didn't even bother to fix the Spinda fiasco from BDSP.

>>58242570
>Spinda fiasco from BDSP
the what?

>>58241526
>>58241708
How much are they paying you to shill

>>58241856
>>58242425
This.

>>58242632
https://support.pokemon.com/hc/en-us/articles/6425807283220-Why-can-t-I-withdraw-or-deposit-Spinda-into-Pok%C3%A9mon-Brilliant-Diamond-or-Pok%C3%A9mon-Shining-Pearl

You can google the technical reasons that people datamined as root cause but it shortens to "they didn't/wouldn't/couldn't be arsed to fix it so it was left as is"

>>58241709
You can't move items into Home.

>>58242111
there's nothing to "know", Switch 2 doesn't have a reliable dumping tool, the most you could go is SV itself but as right now no gen 10 game will be able to be "Pkhex'd"

Please tell me this means the turn based games really are dead

>>58242889
But ZA is coming out on Switch 1 as well.

>>58240560
>>58241211
I honestly wouldn't have minded if megas were just new evolutions, genuinely. Including 4th stages for random mons.

>>58242037
I'm surprised you had any hype to begin with. This series has been done for awhile. The world you loved as a child is long gone. It's time to let it go.

>>58240595
If forms count as new pokemon then platinum was the first to introduce NE pokemon mid gen

>>58240309
As if the shiny Raidons werent a signal enough in itself

>>58240298 (OP)
I'm just surprised when there's already systems in place to track stuff like where the pokemon originated from. I don't get why it doesn't pull the "it has invalid moves, delete the moves and then we'll talk" card like other gens did

>>58242889
ZA is not gen 10 and it's a Switch 1 game so it can be dumped.

This is actually genius since if Switch 1 players want to keep using their zaza mons they have to buy the new gen 10 on Switch 2

>>58242735
Hope you enjoy waiting for a "Competitive Season" to come around that actually features the Rental Pokémon you want to Mega Evolve in Champions

>>58240885
They didn't. Home stores Pokemon in multiple files. A base file, and then individual files for each of the specific games. So the SwSH file has the dynamax levels, the SV file the tera type, the PLA file its stats from that game, etc. There's no reason they couldn't do that here outside of laziness.

>>58243507
OK, we can do the cutoff point on ZA Switch 1 edition, beyond that I doubt we have Pkhex in a LONG time if ever.

>>58240298 (OP)
Bad game design.

>>58242015
Have any math nerds figured out if ZA has IVs from the trailers/demo?

>>58243879
you really think people aren't going to figure this out?

>>58243879
If IVs are getting removed with ZA & Champions then players will have very little reason to inject in gen 10 anyway.

>DLC announced before even launch
>gameplay gimmick behind paywalled season pass
>conpletely segregates content you bought for (again) by not letting you transfer pokemon (that you paid DLC for btw)
Game Freak has entered late-stage greed, Pokémon has officially been fully enshittified. Yeah sure, they were fat, lazy and greedy before already. But now they know they can get away with anything, literally anything. They'll just keep pushing the coin further and paywalling more and more because they know they can get away with it.

>>58244291
Inject tards don't play the game
Catching pokemon??? Erm that's WAY too much work, chuddy...

>>58240584
After thought gimmick that they couldn't monetize on and it was only for that generation

>>58244308
The main reason for injecting has always been the extreme time-devouring annoyance of obtaining mons with specific stats.

>>58241708
transfering was the coolest thing about pokemon if you were an actual fan that eagerly followed every release, now you're just punished for it lmao

>>58244341
Game Freak could basically add their own Pokehex and people would still inject

>>58241908
That could be the "cause", but not the actual *reason*, because you KNOW these fuckers can find a solution, they just don't WANT to

>>58240298 (OP)
Say it with me folk
Bad. Game. Design

>>58244341
The main reason for injecting is not wanting to play Pokemon and yet participate in tournaments to get cash prizes with an injected team

Faggots will defend this.

>>58244357
You can still fucking transfer, you troglodyte cunt. It even works as it did back in Gen 3 > 4 or 5 > 6. No backsies, just like the old days. You cunts need to go back to school and learn how to read.

DEXIT 2.0

>>58244364
In my case I don't inject mons, I inject stuff like apriballs because is criminal all the hoops you have to go through to get a fucking consumable item that doesn't even has a 100% catch rate.

>>58244307
Modern-day Pokemon is a manifestation of everything wrong with the game industry, for it is Legion of greed and laziness.

>>58244307
I just wait to see the predatory pay system on Champions, is going to make look >>58244308
FUT like a joke.

>>58244391
And it's scummy as hell when they've shown they don't have to do it that way. God your such a bootlicking retard. Not like anyone will transfer to this dogshit game anyway.

>>58244409
Anon, you were fucking graced to even get inter-gen transfer. Mind, I'd bet all Switch 2 games get cross-transfer too and this is just another povvo filter, in the great tradition of Game Freak filtering povvos. Progress marches onwards, ain't gonna care about you cunts on Switch who can't cross-transfer, the kids playing L: Z-A on Switch 2 will be able to bring their shit to Gen 10.

>>58244406
It's going to be so Jewish that "Jewish" won't be enough to describe Champions.

>>58244451
Maybe for f2p mobile shitters. I can't imagine it being that bad if you transfer your battle-ready mons from Home.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXht78qQ1E8

Once again they look down discontent at corporate greed

>>58244392
3.0. Remember the Gen 2>3 Jump.

>>58241908
Its okay Skyla I still luv u

I got a lot of my collection backed up
>Gen 5 ~ 2013
>Alpha Sapphire ~ 2016
>Ultra Moon ~ Early 2020s
>hacked switch with save backups of my mons too spread across gen 8/9 games, with all the legit home ids, should probably update that backup
I get the feeling Game Freak hates that I can do this and wants to end transferring one day so can sell DLC on new games to get special mons that I've had since the 2000s, they are already locking mega stones behind online in ZA
We all miss the days when we can have all our Pokemon in one game

>>58244999
To be fair they already try to do that with Region Marks (Do they even still do the NATIVE BORN MONS ONLY thing Or is it only year one?) and No-Marks not counting to Home-Dex completion for games, you NEED the Mark for shit like LGPEdex,BDSP Dex, Etc.

t. Also has backups of whole Living Dexes since Kalos.

>>58240298 (OP)
Stupid, but understandable if they developed the game as Gen 10
I mean, we're ggettinggg shinylocks as events, the generation is done
BTW what's the limit date to get those?

>>58245025
And you need to do that to get the Home event mons
I've only bothered to get Original Color Magearna back in 2020
Haven't felt like getting pic related

>>58241908
How would one reach thisidea? Language values are, at best a fucking numerical value that the actual game sees and uses it to define the language of origin. Unless you're telling me that for some odd reason GF didn't code in an error handler that shows the system language just in case.

>>58245057
>Shiny Meltan
>Not Mew
>Not even Melmetal

I'm still mad

>>58245057
I did Meltan cause LGPE is kinda easy cause KANTOOO is small, Im working on the others The real FUCK YOU is PLA, not because of PLA itself (catching is easy) but because it counts the Save Data Mythics, so you either have the save datas or gotta try trading for a Sinnoh caught one, and they are mythics so people value them kinda high. Darkrai is my sole missing slot.

>>58245101
Wait isn't Darkrai only obtainable if you have a save file of BDSP?

>>58245108
Exactly, but yo need it for the Dex, Note that the OTHER Dexes generally avoid this pitfall. BDSP is just the 150 Pre-Natdex, SwSh doesn't require Zarude (But is still a FUCK HUGE Dex), i think Walking Wake and Iron Leaves aren't in the Paldea+DLC count.

>>58245101
>>58245108
>>58245138
Aren't mythical's needed for Home rewards?

>>58245147
IIRC for Shiny Magerna it was FULL DEX including Mythicals up to Gen7 (Not including Meltan IIRC) but any/no marks work, i completed it Day1 so i honestly don't remember.

Switch games depends from game to game, as said, No mew or Meltan/melmetal needed for LGPE, Savdata mons needed for PLA, No Zarude for SwSh Dexes, only SinnohDex for BDSP (No mythicals or "post-game" mons), No WW/IL or Pecharunt needed for SV.

It is more lenient then people think.

GO Dex has no reward (Thank fuck!)

You can trade for the mons on GTS for the entries, but it is a hassle since you can't as for/filter marks, the best you can do is know the level ranges in the case of legendaries.

>>58245231

>GO Dex has no reward (Thank fuck!)
As long as they don't fix Spinda it will remain forever incomplete

>>58245231
>Shiny Magerna
It's actually a different variant of Magearna completely, like how the Rockruff that evolves into Lycanroc-D is a different variant.
Both regular Magearna and Pokeball-colored Magearna have different shiny palettes, and you get the Pokeball-colored one from completing the Home dex.

>>58244866
Pumping to Skyla.

>>58245299
Can't transfer Zygarde or Eternatus either.

>>58243879
Nintendo consoles are always hacked, give it time. Took until XY until the 3DS started having particularly meaningful advances in its modding scene and then rudimentary box exporting and importing followed by PKheX came out around the time of ORAS.
Necessity gives rise to innovation, anon. Pokemon modders aren't exactly going to start cracking the new system over DK Bananza.
Even then you still have the Switch 1 version which we all know will be leaked a week ahead of release and have PkheX compatibility shortly or after release (the latter assuming the way stats work has been changed). In which case you could just edit the Switch 1 version of the save and then transfer the save to your Switch 2 locally.
We'll also have a trade bot rolling around so if nothing else, you'll be able to get Mon and items to your game from the Internet since those have compatibility with every game released on the Switch so far and still work even if the games are being played on the Switch 2 (as well as letting you upload PKheX .pkm files). You can probably get around the Kalos starters mega stone bullshit that way.

>>58245101
Use genpkm to just trade yourself a Darkrai. Traded Pokemon still count. I traded mine from a hacked Switch that eventually got banned to my legit one since I never actually bought BDSP and it still counted, even for the ingame dex thingy for Encountering/Capturing.

>>58245773
Why did skyla do this?

>>58245768
my clockwork wife

>>58241709
>I won’t acquire them in a game for transfer
>I’ll simply pay to rent them in another game later on
Okay dude.

>>58241227
Game Freak is wrong. Anyway the 'Megas are new Pokémon' shit was only in the English marketing and in some early development stuff. Later development files and the Japanese marketing as well as most modern day media either refers to them as new forms of old mons or don't really classify them at all.

>>58240298 (OP)
>there's mons who are unavaliable in one(two) generation.
Lel

>>58245777
Those are just temporary FOMOesque locks but Spinda's situation is different

>>58244166
Yes, it works exactly like in the normal games, not like Arceus.