Thread 58382566

>>58382566 (OP)
>malamar
Grim

>>58382566 (OP)
Do we have the moveset yet?

Scolipede really lost some speed and some went into its still useless SpAtk stat

>>58382566 (OP)
>Starmie gets 140 for some fucking reason
These fags should check Mawile and Medicham megas stats

>>58382566 (OP)
The fuck is up with Stramie gaining 140 base stats?

Lol Chesnaught

>Starmie gets 140 for being the mememon
It's so fucking over

>>58382566 (OP)
>shitnaught gets less speed, ensuring that it's completely useless
DEAD ON ARRIVAL SHITMON
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>58382613
>wait turn with protect
>speed boost
>go mega

>>58382679
+1 62 speed is still really bad
no matter, it's fairly tanky i guess

>>58382679
>Still too slow to do anything
Mega scolipede is DOA without leech life

>>58382656
? Less speed is better you retard, 64 is already uselessly slow and it being slower just means it will be better in trick room

>>58382566 (OP)
Excadrill seems pretty solid.

>>58382762
That right, it will be trickroom beast + slow belly drummer

>>58382566 (OP)
Megaphox got too many Special Defense points to my liking but it didn't really waste stats. I wish it had 139 or 144 speed though, 134 is one point slower than a lot of things. It has more Special Attack than base 135 mons have in their attacking stat however.

>>58382566 (OP)
None of these outspeed Astral Barrage...

>>58382566 (OP)
Why did they do this to my boy Eelektross...

>>58382614
>>58382627
Mega Mawile has 145 ATT (instead of 125) and Mega Medicham 140 (instead of 100).

>>58383143
Gave it decent boost?

>>58382703
367 speed after +1 for a moveslot, plus INSANE bulk to easily SD afterwards, make it a crazy threat. Not in VGC maybe, but given that it could setup on fatter mons with SD, it's very dangerous. Glad they didn't boost its spA. Having a speed boost mon as base that can also setup means that you need to nerf speed a lot or it's automatically broken

>>58382588
snarl

>>58383198
It's useless. Not fast enough, not strong enough, not bulky enough. Bro needs wonder guard

>>58383143
Went from shit to ok

>>58383239
Given that it's a Mega that takes your slot and cannot hold an item, it's probably the worst one. Victrebell has recovery at least

>>58382703
It's faster than iron valiant if it doesnt have a speed booster energy

>>58383197
It's fucking huge power oh my God

>>58382762
It was nice being able outspeed Kingambit and some faster defensive mons but yeah, it's a small price to pay for a massive defence boost

pointless question, but did any old mons get stat buffs? SM gave me eternal copium for some reason.

Is Starmie's physical move pool big enough to justify Attack overtaking its Special Attack

>>58382566 (OP)
So many slow fuckers lol, reminds me of Alola all over again

>>58383355
as far as i know, just mega medicham and mega mawile getting the same +40 attack as starmie

>>58383383
No. It pretty much only has stabs with return being gone.

>>58383383
Rapid Spin and Tackle are the only existing Level Up moves that benefit from it. idk what it's new Level Up moves now.

>>58382566 (OP)
>Delphox doesn't get Levitate
Dead on arrival

>>58383413
It gains Liquidation and Aqua Jet in its learnset. So I'm assuming its getting more within TMs and the eventual push into Champions.

>>58383355
Base medicham did, but that is more like a compensation for no huge power.

Gave eeleectross a fucking gen 3 ass stat spread. Fuck this. Probably keeping levitate as well when actual abilities are avaliable

>>58382566 (OP)
sucks to be eelektross, clefable, meganium, dragonite, starmie and especially pyroar

I wonder what Zygarde's gimmick is gonna be, if it changes to 100% stats when megaing. Having to Mega while in 100% sounds a little silly?

>>58383425
Retard

>>58383559
Dnite will be broken and Meganium surely decently viable. Clefable depends on ability, Eel is doomed unless insane ability

>>58383425
What does it get then

>>58382566 (OP)
and uuuuuh.....uuuuuuuuuuh yeah add +20 attack to pyroar, his already shitty and worse movepool than manectric really doesn't need extra sp.atk

>>58382566 (OP)
I'm not a comp guy, how's Emboar?

>>58383781
Better at tanking, but should've lost some speed. Definitely, a more physical attacker.

>>58382628
Chesnaught has based stats

>>58383559
>dragonite
-10 attack is a slap on the wrist and its special movepool is excellent. This thing is strictly an upgrade.

>>58383559
Only starmie and clefable aren't improvements over the originals.

>>58383781
Should have lost speed and not gained it. Sp. Atk isn't all that useful outside of a playthrough, but it can help it deal with physical walls maybe?

>>58384014
Starmie is moreso a sidegrade. Clefable I don't see what's wrong unless it loses Magic Guard on Mega Ala Champions, if it does then yeah base Clefable is shitting on this thing hard.

>>58382566 (OP)
>216 SPECIAL ATTACK ZYGARDE
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS LOOOOL
How strong will this guy be compared to mega rayquaza?

>>58382566 (OP)
Overall the stats are very disappointing compared to the new meta.
>No Choice Scarf/Band/Specs
>No Sash
>No Rocky Helmet
>No Heavy-duty boots or any other item

Mega Barbaracle seems very good with Shell Smash. Mega Emboar it's OK, probably with Supreme Overlord. Mega Feraligatr with Dragon Dance it's OK. Mega Meganium just sorry, if this thing have a bad ability RIP. Mega Chesnaught, actually very good and that bad with that Speed. Mega Greninja very mid. Mega Delphox, if her has Psychic Surge OMG.

Mega Pyroar, why the Stats are very bad.
Mega Malamar, sucks. Mega Drampa will see. Mega Chandelure very good but the Speed it's a problem. Mega Dragonite, hmm 100 Speed, Mega Charizard-Z confirmed.

Conclusion. Old megas>New megas

>>58382566 (OP)
>Clefable
Viable
>Victreebel
Dead on arrival
>Starmie
Viable
>Dragonite
Viable
>Meganium
Dead on arrival
>Feraligatr
Viable
>Skarmory
Viable
>Froslass
Viable
>Emboar
Viable
>Excadrill
Viable
>Scolipede
Dead on arrival
>Scrafty
Dead on arrival
>Eelektross
Dead on arrival
>Chandelure
Viable
>Chesnaught
Dead on arrival
>Delphox
Viable
>Greninja
Viable
>Pyroar
Dead on arrival
>Floette-E
Viable
>Malamar
Dead on arrival
>Barbaracle
Dead on arrival
>Dragalge
Viable
>Hawlucha
Viable
>Zygarde
Viable
>Drampa
Dead on arrival
>Falinks
Viable

>>58383781
He is fine.

>>58383837
Technically speaking they do touch Zygarde's HP

>>58384085
Relax bro, I don't see something crazy. Big number means nothing if doesn't have a good movepool or ability. Mega Mewtwo X has 190 Attack. It's broken? Never, lol. Neither Mega Mewtwo Y.

>>58383425
First, this is exactly like PLA, the abilities are just those of the base forms as placeholders because this game doesn't have abilities. We won't know the actual abilities until Champions
Second, not getting Levitate is exactly what Delphox wants because it means it can keep abusing Psychic Terrain

>>58384151
It also has 216 hp. Everyone is going to need an ice type move on their team or they're getting ass rapes

>>58384085
It is worse than complete zygarde. Slightly better speed and making core enforcer usable is not worth the tradeoff of weakening what is by far its real best move (thousand arrows).

>>58384085
Mega Ray could hold an item, effectively making its SpA 290 with Choice Specs

>>58382566 (OP)
My puppy is neither fast nor bulky... Why?

>>58382566 (OP)
129 isn't very high, I hope Pyroar has some interesting abilities. Contrary + Overheat, for example.

>>58384352
God I wish

>>58383991
I could see Hurricane Dragonite being a menace.

>>58384352
Pyroar is literally inferior to plenty base form mons

>>58383781
mid. Probably better in doubles.

>>58384479
The speed is great at least and the design is cool

>>58382566 (OP)
>skarmory loses defense and becomes an offensive mon
lmao

>>58382566 (OP)
>they killed scolipede
sad

>>58382566 (OP)
>emboar
>eelektross

>>58382656
oh no!!! its speed went from useless to equally useless but with the points transferred over to stats that aren't useless!!!!!1

>>58382566 (OP)
>Worse than sheer force + life orb regular feraligatr
>The worst looking design possible

Humiliation ritual

>>58382566 (OP)
god mega malamar looks terrible, which is a shame because its design is cool

>>58384706
Not really considering that it has a contrary (probable)

>>58384100
>>Barbaracle
>Dead on arrival
no way. it's got great attack, a STAB combo that can hit 95% of the dex with at least neutral damage, and good enough bulk to pull off a shell smash without issue, and that's before we even know what its ability is

>>58384503
How?

>>58384694
>p-p-please guys, p-please like my toilet joke i worked really hard on it!
Irrelevant already, Mega Gatr is based now
>ability: unknown until Champions
Also. Lmao.

>>58384769
shell smash isnt a move any pokemon gets in ZA

>>58384773
keep coping gatrfag. you and i both know it will get strong jaw. the design screams it
and no they wont add water crunch to fix it

>>58384715
The only good Contrary mon it's Serperior. Why? Has a good Speed. Mega Malamar is not fast and it doesn't learn any other contrarian move especially STAB.

FACT. U-Turn you 24/7

>>58382566 (OP)
>216 SpA Zygarde
Excuse me but what the actual fuck

>>58384772
More speed control.

>>58384783
if we're talking exclusively about ZA, then it's still perfectly decent for all of the other listed reasons, plus they'll probably give it swords dance anyways which will let it melt through damn near anything
speed is important in ZA but doesn't matter as much when you're dealing with something with enough power to oneshot with unresisted type coverage

>meganium
Exactly what I expected, EXACTLY.

>>58382566 (OP)
>Mewtwo Y has been toppled as the Special Attack queen
Mewtwosisters how do we respond to this???

>>58384896
how many times is he going to get BTFO?

>>58384100
>Meganium
Overreacting
>Chesnaught
Overreacting
>Barbaracle
Overreacting
>Drampa
Overreacting

>>58382566 (OP)
how does MGren compared to AshGren?

has the movepool data leaked yet?

>>58384100
>Feraligatr
>>Viable
Largely depends on the ability. If it’s strong jaw it’s over

>>58382566 (OP)
>More than half of Starmie’s increased BST goes into Atk
>Dragonite loses Atk when its best attribute is Extreme Speed
>Greninja gets worse stats than Ash Greninja which could hold an item
>Those Malamar stats
Absolute humiliation ritual.

>>58384935
Worse in every way. No Scarf/Specs, Focus Sash, Life Orb even the underrated Z-moves. Speed for Mega like Greninja is bad.

>not higher speed
>bulk gains are minimal
Unless mega gatr has sheer force or something better it will be worse than the original

>>58382566 (OP)
Guaranteed top tiers:
>Starmie (assumed base 100 atk huge power)
>Dragonite
>Excadrill
>Greninja
>Chesnaught
>Zygarde-100
Unlikely to be bad:
>Hawlucha
>Skarmory
>Clefable
>Scolipede
>Dragalge
>Falinks
>Floette
Everything else is highly dependent on getting a new and good ability.

>>58384935
Doesn't matter when Ash Greninja literally no longer exists.

>>58384964
https://pastebin.com/raw/VrR8BRLf

>>58383608
power construct is silly

Why are you guy caring about mega stats? This game wont be competitve at all and megas are never touching a main game again

>>58385178
>implying stats matter in the campaign

>>58385178
Literally confirmed to be in champions

>>58385178
Did you forgot about Pokemon Champions?
Also isn’t that what you said before ZA too?

>>58385030
thnx

>>58385237
>>58385241
Champions is not a main game. No one gives a fuck about a phone game

>>58385292
>Stats don't matter for what is set to be the competitive game going forward
Here is your (you)

>>58385292
Where do the stats matter then? Against the piss easy NPCs in a campaign?
Oh no, I can't beat Gym Leader 5 because my mega doesn't have 180 Attack! Woe is me!

>>58382566 (OP)
What type is Meganium

>>58385292
He doesn't know.........

>>58385380
Grass-Fairy

>>58383425
>Delphox should lose the ability to abuse it's best move, Expanding force, because it's no longer grounded.

>>58384800
Nah. Disguise

Why would they make Scolipede slow?
Being a fast wrecking ball is its entire identity.

>>58385397
Predictable but finally holy shit, mono grass is so ass

>>58385432
yfw it gets weak armour and is doing a darknut shtick

Competitive Chad here. This is how good these are:
>Doesn't matter you will never use it outside the story because banned everywhere
Zygarde
>Will be good
Skarmory
Delphox
Excadrill
Barbaracle
Starmie (only one with basically confirmed ability)
Dragonite
>Could be good, depends on ability
Clefable
Hawlucha
Scrafty
Dragalge
Chesnaught
Meganium
Feraligatr
Greninja
Scolipede
Floette
Falinks
Drampa
Chandelier
Froslass
>An attempt was made
Victreebeel
Pyroar
Malamar
Eeleektross

>>58385486
cuck

>>58385432
>get speed boost for a turn or two
>then mega
Your mega is fast now

>>58385486
>Doesn't matter you will never use it outside the story because banned everywhere
>Zygarde
Just like mega ray, right :smug:

>>58382566 (OP)
This chart is obnoxious to read.

>>58384479
Stats are shitty for a mega but he is basically a regional catmon, movepool wise too, dark pulse, hyper voice/beam, fire move, unless they give it boomburst he is mid BUT he can nasty plot (i think) and in pre-DLC ZA the dex is very shallow so even this shitmon can shine. It can also Plot + Fire Charge, well if it will be alive by this point.
There is no Chansey or Blissey, right?
And Game Freak finally nerfed stall by reducing recovery PP and removing some moves.

>>58384100
>Chesnaught
>dead on arrival
Pick one brainlet, it's a great bulky tank and will likely be used in doubles spamming seeds and team protection.

>>58384097
>hurr durr this defensive pokemon with offense capability is le bad because uuuuuh speed or something
>whaaaat? noooo! you can't just use trick room to rape my hecking shonen fast mixed attackers with wet paper bulk

>>58385486
>starmie
>good
>when his only phys moves are liquidation, zen headbutt and double edge and has 0 coverage

>>58385708
Pokemon can get new moves anon. We already know movepools have changed in ZA

>>58385759
We also know Z-A has a drastically reduced list of moves, just like PLA. All of these mons will get new moves come Champions

>>58385486
Dragonite is dogshit.
On its own, it might be good, but since its Mega DRAGONITE, there is no point running it when you could run regular Dragonite with an Item + Tera + Extreme Speed.

>>58385519
No because it won't be banned from Ubers.

>>58384100
>Feraligatr
>viable
It didn’t even get a speed boost
>>58384868
I was expecting it to be on the more defensive side instead of having most of its additional stat points spent on SpAtk.

>>58385870
Regular Zygarde 100% is already banned from Ubers by default.
It also has 216 SpA and still has its 216 HP. And still learns Draco Meteor too.

>>58385708
Starmie also gets Bulk Up now.

>>58385486
Pyroar isn't that bad

>>58385708
It has a good special attack, you can make a mixed set like it's sometimes done for m salamence

>>58385992
Pyroar is jack shit. +20 across the board on a Pokemon that shit stats and really needed a more minmax mega.

>>58386022
Now he has good coverage with earth power, maybe the ability is good, he is weird enough to have contrary

>>58386004
It will just be pick either liquidation or flip turn and the rest is a regular starmie moveset.
>>58385992
maybe if it had a more specialized spread and didn't share its debut with Delphox and chandelure.

>>58386004
There's no reason to make a mixed set if your phys moves are worse than the special ones. Something like hydro pump, psychic, close combat, flip turn COULD be good but it doesn't have CC for example

>>58386101
No investment liquidation hits harder than hydro pump and won't miss. Assuming 100 attack for when it is in champions.
0 Atk Huge Power Mega Starmie Liquidation vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Arceus: 157-186 (41.2 - 48.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Mega Starmie Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Arceus: 154-183 (40.4 - 48%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

>>58385916
>Regular Zygarde 100% is already banned from Ubers by default.
no it fucking isn't you absolute retard

>>58384106
no? unless any form of Zygarde can Mega evolve into it.

>>58385866
>tera
Anon wtf are you talking about. At least for the first comp season of Champions it's megas only, no other gimmicks.

>>58385916
did you mean OU? because 50% is also banned from that anyway.

>>58382566 (OP)
this chart is arranged horribly

>>58386174
It is.
And not only is 100% form Uber, so is the 50% form.

>>58386190
Regular Zygarde 100% as in the 100% form without Mega Evolving, which is what the stats for Mega Zygarde are based on.

>>58386185
Champions literally shows Dondozo using Tera.
Even without Tera, regular Dragonite is likely going to be miles better because of Extreme Speed.

How are we feeling about Mega Lure? 175 SPA seems pretty promising...

>>58386509
Worse than Delphox because 90 speed means it gets blown away by Mega Drill.

>>58386509
100% depends on what ability it gets

>>58386509
90 base speed without the ability to hold a choice scarf is cuestionable...
But if Kyurem could get away with running specs then I don't see an issue with Mega-Chandelure

>>58382566 (OP)
Predict the ability.
I'm afraid Scolipede will have shell armor.

>>58386359
>banned from Ubers
Your words, not mine. Retard.

>>58384977
40 of Starmie's attack is fake, placeholder for pure power ability.

>Fanfic meta
No one cares

>>58383261
eelektross gets coil + drain punch. it's a solid statline.

>>58383208
What? 367 after +1 is terrible

>>58382566 (OP)
Fake. Where's raichu?

>>58386750
in the DLC

>>58386665
It’s a free +1.
It’s way slower than non-mega evolving, but it’s still outspeeding base 117 Pokemon. And that’s pretty good for a Pokemon with those stats and only needing to waste 1 turn with protect.

>>58382566 (OP)
>Victreebel it's a SFMA
RIP my dream of a bulky Corrosion Pokémon

Mega Emboar

>>58386791
>Announcing a DLC before the game launch
Why are they like this?

>>58386873
>>58386885
wow it goes from trash design to trash design

So can only male Pyroar mega evolve?

>>58386928
no, mega always ignored gender differences

>>58386928
both mega evolve into the same design, the mane looks like a fusion of male and female

i really hate how hesitant they are to minmax pokemon that really need it. ideally this'd be offset by abilities but realistically they're just going to be shitmons because they'll have shit abilities and no new moves

>>58382566 (OP)
Zygarde's unquestionably uber material and 216 special attack is atrocious, but is it going to be that good in context? You'll absolutely need to hit Power Construct range to even click mega in the first place, and until then you've got no item only special moves to work with (or you're running a mixed set without mixed stats). I'm not into competitive though so please tell me I'm wrong. I don't want Zygarde to be another potential mon

>>58386981
pyroar's stats are genuinely pathetic
it's bad enough that it's somehow a more boring mega design than the fucking starmie with longer legs, but then they just slapped 20 points on everything and called it a mega

>>58382566 (OP)
>they reduced scols speed by 50

Why

Whyyyyyyyyyyy


whhhhhyyyyyyyy

>>58387585
Bulky mega with shell armor or algo

>>58386070
>Now he has good coverage with earth power
Don't pay too much mind to Legends movepools. Scyther got Calm Mind in Arceus.

>dude just wait 1 or 2 turns for speed boost on scoli-
No one is fucking doing that on a bug/poison type are you fucking high LMAO

They really thought Scolipede being fast would be too op, aahahahahahahaha

my last cope is that they'll redistribute some of these stats for champions

>>58387679
Blaziken kept Speed Boost tbf

>>58387679
Scolipede has literally been doing this for years why would it be any different now

>have some extra (not used Atk stat) instead of at least some bulk
Classic GF pulling that shit for 12 years

>>58387679
>on a bug/poison type
bug/poison is actually pretty good defensively. x4 fighting resist, fairy resist, resist u-turn, x4 grass resist, neutral to ground, etc.

>>58387746
I mean Blaziken is just an overall better Pokemon though. Scolipede really could have used a better ability after getting a Speed Boost. It's even worse that half of that cut speed is being wasted on sp atk.

>>58387801
we don't even know what ability the mega has yet

>>58387679
It’s not that hard to do.
>Use Protect
>Switch into a Choiced resisted attack
>Switch in something that gets KO’d by your STABs and is slower
>Use Follow Me/Rage Powder, Fake Out, Wide Guard, etc. in Doubles
>Use Friend Guard support
>Weaken the foes’s offenses

>>58387825
you're not going to be able to all this shit in a row idiot

>>58387794
Your only weaknesses are Flying and Fire, which arent super prevalent in regions outside the starter and a bird or two, which, just bring a fucking rock.
Or, switch in on the resist, protect for the second turn of SB, Mega and sweep

>>58382566 (OP)
Unbalanced as ever, megas am I right

>>58387862
also weak to rock to be fair, but still, not bad. Very easy to get +2 with bug/poison, agreed, not sure what the other guy (>>58387679) was smoking.

>>58387878
>>58387836

>>58387836
>>58387927
you are a fucking retard

>>58387836
Protect has a chance of procing twice in a row, and in Doubles you could Follow Me then Protect Scolipede.
Depending on your opponent’s team and what happened previously in battle, you can switch into a Close Combat and survive another hit.
The other stuff only guarantees you 1 Speed Boost, which given rest of Mega Scolipede’s stats should be more than enough to sweep a weakened team.
Even if you don’t get the Speed Boost, you’re still a strong and bulky wallbreaker.

I think they see Scolipede more as a Baton Passer than a sweeper

Their abilities (probably?).

>>58388021
Those are their regular abilities.

>>58382614
>>58382640
Starmie has Pure Power as its ability. It has the long legs to do yoga with. (No, not Huge Power. It's not a rabbit, no mochi/muscleman pun)

Anything with Pure Power/Huge Power/Fur Coat got it added into the stats because there's no abilities.

>>58388021
those are their non-mega abilities. We don't have any confirmed abilities for the megas.

>>58388021
Mega Starmie supposedly has a Huge Power clone or something with its real attack being 100.

>>58388021
Good as Gold Skarmory or Hawlucha

>>58388086
Nah, give it sharpness and new moves. It's already got weak armor and swords dance in the base stage.

>>58388021
Contrary for pyroar because it's weird

What the fuck is the point of the megas if abilities aren't in the game?

>>58382566 (OP)
>Clefable
Eh maybe broken in Doubles if it is just better Togekiss
>Victreebel
Shit
>Starmie
Huge/Pure Power basically confirmed so will probably be pretty broken like Mawile and Medicham
>Dragonite
Maybe useful on rain teams but pretty disappointing
>Meganium
Shit
>Feraligatr
Shit
>Skarmory
Shit
>Froslass
Slow and frail, 130+ speed is too common now
>Emboar
Shit
>Excadrill
Good
>Scolipede
Shit
>Scrafty
Shit maybe useful in Doubles
>Eelektross
Shit
>Chandelure
Unfortunate speed with bad typing
>Chesnaught
Body Press hits hard, probably will be better for Doubles
>Delphox
Insane stat buff but it's shit typing might hold it back
>Greninja
Good but broken if you manage to get a Battle Bond boost before mega
>Pyroar
Complete garbage
>Floette
Good but no good coverage
>Malamar
Complete garbage
>Barbaracle
Banned if it keeps Shell Smash
>Dragalge
Shit
>Hawlucha
Eh base with Unburden probably better
>Zygarde
Ubers so don't care
>Drampa
Shit. Could be good on Trick Room in Doubles maybe.
>Falinks
Probably shit but it does have a reliable omni boost move
Of course all the shit megas can actually be broken depending on ability and movesets in Champions.

>>58388340
>120
>slow
Power creep is a disease

>>58384977
>>Dragonite loses Atk when its best attribute is Extreme Speed
VS Hurricane and draco meteor? At least it now the only Special Flying dragon