Thread 58408407

>Era where no one could oppose him
Good games
>After he left
Shitty games

>Good games weren't made by him, just picking up the pieces of his shitty games

>The shitty games now don't ever actually get finished because they don't make third versions anymore

>>58408413
>Game without BF
Shit.
>The exact same game but with BF
Incredible masterpiece
Why are hoenn/sinnohfags like this?

>>58408407 (OP)
>villain is trying to keep an even greater evil contained
>defeating him frees that evil and causes the situation to get exponentially worse
Kino

>>58408407 (OP)
genwar bait thread

>>58408407 (OP)
Pokemon’s Hironobu Sakaguchi

>>58408426
They don’t want you to point this out.

>>58408407 (OP)
I like how everyone pushing this narrative ignores that this also gave us some of the shittiest stories (RSE) and games (DP) in the series too and most of the the BEST ones (Emerald, Plat, BW2) weren't directed by him.
The fact that his output was inconsistent shows exactly why there being a sole director guy is a BAD idea, if his ideas are fucking bad it tanks the whole project. The fact that Ohmori was doin the same shit for years and now he's suddenly being ousted post-Z-A after they saw the signs forming again is a good thing.

>>58408502
>DP is the wost
>Platinum is the best
see >>58408426
i know it's not just BF, but still

>>58408528
Platinum didn't fix DP's speed or HM spam issues (for the most part), the story's better even with the smaller changes (Cyrus being introduced earlier, the Lake Trio plothole being corrected, etc.) and the BF IS a huge factor, even if it is postgame. Sinnoh was always a really good region at base, it just needed the flesh on top to be refined some more

>>58408407 (OP)
mesuda is like the george lucas of pokemon

he is a great ideas guy but needs someone to tidy the games up

>>58408426
>Why are hoenn/sinnohfags like this?
Because you touch yourself at night

>>58408543
Yeah that's what im saying, DP and Platinum aren't so different to justify calling shit the former and amazing the latter

>>58408407 (OP)
Truly he was the Abraham Lincoln of Pokémon.

>>58408407 (OP)
>>58408447
if you actually read the document it's clear that Masuda and Sugimori were regarded as a duo within Game Freak. To the point that they mostly worked on Pulseman together while RBY were being made, and occasionally on Pokemon. So them falling out during XY was probably a big turning point for Game Freak, allowing newbies to come into management positions and them moving on. Hence why there's a new director, new people working on music (Masuda's wheelhouse) and new people working on art like Take (Sugimori's wheelhouse).

They sometimes pop in to supervise (recent credits for Masuda on directing and music, plus credits for Sugimori for art prove this) but they're mostly in different roles now.

People are sensationalising this.

I would like to issue a formal apology to Junichi Masuda.
I now see that it was only under Masuda-san's genius vision that the franchise was able to reach the heights that it did. After you were unjustly usurped from power everything you built fell to ruin.
I was a fool. Please understand.

>>58408407 (OP)
Sorry but I’m still contrarian and think gen 7 is better than gen 6

>>58408583
Nah the changes to plat were way different. Sure it's doesn't change slow engine and hms but that's more core issues. Expanding the sinnoh dex, upgrading npc teams, new story/dialogue and other things put it way ahead.

It is in fact justified even with RS to a lesser degree. Everyone remembers the rayquaza parts vs the story is RB just like how everyone remembers giratina vs DP.

>>58408633
That makes sense
see >>58408634

it was obvious from the start that masuda always was a genius with his masterful compositions

>>58408413
gen 3 and 5 were good

the only gen this applies to is 4

>>58408407 (OP)
Thank you Masuda. I will not buy more pokemon games anymore. You were the GOAT.

>Sugimori caused the downfall of the series

how could he do this?

Authoritarian game directing is better than democratical.

>his magnum opus Gen 5 got dragged by genwunners
>next gen a chatty coworker purges him from his role

Masuda... he suffered.

>>58408548
the kojima of videogames

>>58408407 (OP)
RIP

>>58408777
I'm not sure about that wording, but one person with a vision (a visionary) is better for an artistic project than too many chefs.

>>58408612
Anyone who paid attention to the teraleak knew this

>>58408865
>waah scawy words bad :(
Holy fuck I forgot how Reddit this board is

>>58408865
Yeah, “authoritarian” is a meme. What you mean is probably authorial, like, a game that clearly reflects the vision of a single creator or a small group vs a collective game that doesn’t have a strong unified vision.
Pokémon has pretty much always been in the second category, so I don’t even know what a truly authorial Pokémon game would look like.
BW is probably the closest we’ve gotten, since Masuda called it his magnum opus, but even there it clearly doesn’t break out of the series core conventions.

>>58408941
>but even there it clearly doesn’t break out of the series core conventions
Maybe it's because the series core conventions are Masuda's ideal vision?

>>58408502
Retards like you with your "super original totally not parroted" brainless hivemind takes like "le 3rd versions are le best, let Morimoto/Iwao/Unno make every Pokemans game!!1!!" are the ones that make this board, and community as a whole, unusable.
I'm not acquitting Masuda of his lackluster game design and aversion to content-rich games, but glazing third versions for being the penultimate Pokemon games shows how low-brow you pseuds are.
Like, fucking hell, you mean to tell me that what's essentially a RomHack that's edited to have more areas/encounters/whatever and extra content is THE definitive way to play a Pokemon game? No FUCKING way lmaooo. Thank you, Captain Obvious.
Let's just ignore the fact that these fabled god directors spent a year editing pre-existing assets, code, a narrative- hell an entire fucking game that took 3-4 years to makem
Of course them tacking on extra shit while addressing any problems of the originals would make it a better experience. It's the fact that you insufferable mouthbreathers spend every opportunity to voice these opinions like it's some unprecedented gotcha is what is shitting up any and all discussion in this community

>>58408502
Wow I wonder where Emerald and Plat came from?

>>58409521
Not from Masuda that's for sure.

>>58408939
>Thinks using authoritarian for a shitty video toy company isn't peak niggit
>Forgot how niggit a board branched off from /v/ was. The board known for reddit spacing
Geglmao at ur life

Whoever is responsible for the Legends series is good in my book. Pokemon got boring after Ruby/Sapphire.

>>58408426
Third version fags aren't really fans of the region. I don't pretend to be a Hoennfag just because I like Emerald's content. I enjoyed playing DP though.

>>58408413
>Good games weren't made by him, just picking up the pieces of his shitty games
RS was fine and BW1 was good, it's just DP that had serious issues because of the engine.

>>58408407 (OP)
I'm acutally starting to believe this

Left? Where did he leave anon? Can someone answer where did he leave?

>>58409670
Mid XY development ;)

>>58410701
Where?

>>58408426
RS & DP > every other baseline game

>>58410708
Yeah, and Miyamoto presented the new mario movie

>>58410793
Yeah so where did he go?

>>58410739
Scarf ass post

>>58408407 (OP)
rs and dp were fixed by third versions
Bw was mediocre and a flop
XY was made with so many kanto pokemon because bw disappointed fans

>>58408548
both statements are false

>>58410824
*rs and dp were improved by third versions
they were still great without a third version

*Bw was terrible and a flop

>>58408777
The truth of human existence is monarchical. Most people are cattle followers incapable of leading and can only breed disaster when unyolked.

>>58408407 (OP)
What about Tajiri?

>>58410842
>they were still great without a third version
they were worse than previous games

>>58408426
>Emerald
Vastly improved story, slightly improved sprites, battle frontier was a good bonus
>Platinum
Greatly expanded regional Pokédex, improved story, improved dialogue, improved sprites and character designs, added new story elements/arcs, and battle frontier was a nice bonus

The only games of his that you could argue were good right out the gate are BW. XY maybe (better than vanilla RS and DP, at least), but it had tons of room for growth. It’s not just about the battle frontier. If anything, that’s the least important element.
>>58408583
Expanding the regional dex by over 50 additional species and greatly improving the story, dialogue, player character designs, and gym progression are all factors in how DP and Platinum are worlds apart. DP has good bones, but that’s all they are: bones. Barebones. DP feels like an unfinished beta. I don’t put Plat in S and DP in F, but I do tend to place Platinum in A tier and DP in C tier. The things that most affect my personal player experience all changed vastly even if the most fundamental structures underneath did not.
>>58410739
RGB, GS, and BW (and arguably SM) are all better baseline games than RS and DP

>>58408543
>Platinum didn't fix DP's spe—
myth

>>58410862
RS > RB > GS
DP > RB > GS

>>58410854
>What about Tajiri?
Directed RGB, with lots of help from everyone else
Began directing GS, but quit before it was even finished and handed the project over to Junichi, who completed it and formally directed Crystal

>>58410864
>Greatly expanded regional Pokédex,
it still sucks
>improved story
it still sucks
>improved dialogue
it still sucks
>improved sprites and character designs
some of the sprites are WORSE than DP
>added new story elements/arcs
it still sucks

>>58410884

>>58410864
BW is trash borty

>>58410895
>parroting youtuber's opinions
>twitter screenshot
opinion discarded

>>58410928
kek true

>>58410929
you're such a retarded toddy (redundant) that you don't realize the youtuber in that scrot is saying johto is good

>>58410895
>[Objectively] prefacing the most retarded opinion ever expressed
A timeless classic

>>58410908
nobody agrees with you, deluded contrarian

>>58410895
>hates gen 2
>site mascot is still celebi
how retarded is this "man"?

>>58410959
>"noooo you can't just say gen ii sucks it was my heckin' childhood"

>>58410940
youtubers made the gen 2 being shit thing popular
no one thought that in 2008 for example

>>58410884
Wow thats actually faster than I thought. Ig plat did fix the speed. Though recently I did go back to play FRLG and i felt that it was immensly slow.

Gen 3 i feel gets this repuation for feeling fast because most people play it through emulators these days on speed up. Playing it with speed up off feels liek any other pokemon fame speed ngl

Masuda is based, and everyone who has a clue about the franchise recognizes this.
His music is, at least externally, totally underrated to Pokemon's success.
Hopefully this leak will do him more favours than harm.

>>58410964
Toddies when they have to try to discredit the man who was more conscious than they were during Pokemania, created one of the most important and longest running websites in the community, did it during Gen II, made his mascot a Johto Pokemon, and still says Gen II / Johto / GSC sucks:

>>58410978
They succeeded because it's never reverting back ever again.

>>58411001
>posting jaks
grow up

>>58410978
>when toddies were the bulk of netizens discussing Pokemon they weren't saying gen 2 was shit back then!
no shit fag
when half of kantykes saw the writing on the wall for the series, of course their annoying little brothers would be free to astroturf their childhood gen as the best ever, until everyone else was able to come online and start calling out their bs

>no opposition until after BW
>BW flops
>golden age of pokemon begins (XY-ORAS-SM)
>somehow directs let's go
>also flops
>codirects bdsp
>is widely hated
lol

>>58411028
>SM
restarted the decline of Pokemon BW initiated

>>58410978
Yes, it was all those damn dirty Youtubers' fault that Crystal was the worst-selling mainline game in the series years before Youtube existed.

>>58411045
third versions sell less

>>58408407 (OP)
i say gen 2 is shit for attention
It works every time!
same thing with gen 5
the others don't work for some reason

>>58411074
>say gen 2 is shit
pretty much everyone agrees, so johtods have to rouse themselves to defend against every single point made
>say gen 5 is shit
pretty much everyone agrees, so johtods have to rouse themselves to defend against every single point made
>say any other gen sucks
either everyone agrees or nobody agrees, so there's nothing more to say

>>58411074
Only the best gens have adamant fans that will defend it's honor from slander. Lesser gens' fans have to be humble and take it up the chin as usual.

>>58411139
>HGSS+BW zoomer is an esl

>>58410928
Actually Sapphire was my first Pokémon game. By the time BW came out, I’d already played every entry prior to it.

>>58408407 (OP)
His depiction of Kyushu as Hoenn based on a childhood vacation (iirc), is more soulful than any of the tourist attraction inspired regions. You could tell how much he was inspired by nature, that he still had artistic passion back then and could go all out for the first time without Tagiri's supervision.
I remember he mentioning gen 3 production as stressfull, but that was because he gave a shit.

>>58411279
>Actually Sapphire was my first Pokémon game
And Red was a toddy's first Pokemon game, newfag zoomer

>>58410895
Joe merrick was so based for this. Gen 2 is genuinely so fucking dog shit. I firmly believe that GF went out of their way to make gen 8 and 9 as bad as possible just so no one could say Gen 2 was the worst anymore.

>>58410708
The claim that Masuda was blacklisted is definitely an over-exaggeration, but LGPE is not a core Pokémon title, and Game Freak had no involvement with BDSP. Masuda was likely only assigned to those projects because they were stretched thin in the development process of multiple games at once and had no one else with experience to direct. Masuda was seemingly hands-off with BDSP too.

Game Freak definitely seems like they don't want Masuda involved with major projects, as XY was his last major core title project, and that's when the drama started.

>>58409474
>Retards like you with your "super original totally not parroted" brainless hivemind takes like "le 3rd versions are le best, let Morimoto/Iwao/Unno make every Pokemans game!!1!!"
What, you want me to lie because opinions hurt your feelings, pussy? Yes, the third versions are better because they take their bases and refine them into something truly great and frankly make it seem like there's no reason the first versions should've released in the states they did given the bulk of their changes consist of doing shit like swapping encounters and updating major and minor fights. This doesn't make the first versions worthless and I never said as such, but it doesn't mean I have to sit there and pretend I'd play them again after having a version that batter in most regards either.
>Let's just ignore the fact that these fabled god directors spent a year editing pre-existing assets, code, a narrative- hell an entire fucking game that took 3-4 years to make
And maybe if they'd taken another year they'd have actually come out as the best they could be the first time as shown by the aforementioned Third Versions. Kinda just sounds like you're saying GF's always rushed these things to shit so cut poor wittle Masuda some slack for not delivering on its full potential, honestly.

>>58411774
Imagine being Masuda, the guy who came up with the idea of Pokemon remakes, and being forced to watch the Pokemon Home devs give a game you directed a new coat of chibi paint and shit it out into the world instead of turning it into a proper remake. It probably felt like watching his daughter being raped or something.

>It's another "DP are the most horrible games ever made and Platinum saved them even though it's 95% the same game and nearly everything I liked about Sinnoh originated in DP" thread
>It's another "Emerald is the greatest game ever made and let's NOT talk about RS, they were full, fine games with no issues and whatever issues they have can be fixed by trading with later games so they're not a problem" thread
>It's another "my butchered English Crystal is truly the greatest Johto game ever, it easily destroys GS in everything, but it doesn't have Mareep so that evens them out, also none of the Japanese-only features like the GS Ball or online trading and battling were noteworthy" thread
Pokémon fans in charge of ever having an original thought in their life and not regurgitating the same drivel into each other's mouths

>>58411074
based attention whore

>>58411990
it's just braindead zoomers parroting those narratives

they saw millennials recognizing platinum and emerald as improvements and mistakenly took that to mean dp and rs weren't already good

>>58410895
joe TRVKE
lets look at the facts
>[insert gen] story sucks!
gen2's plot ends with an anticlimactic battle against a literal who admin who doesn't even get a name until the equally as shit remake 11 years later
>[insert gen] gameplay sucks
gen2 undoubtedly has the most retarded design decisions
>dogshit pokemon and type distribution; at least a third of the new mons are inaccessible until the very end of the game, also enjoy having exactly 1 dark type before kanto lol
>worse elite 4 starts at level 40, not only making it the lowest elite 4 start by 6 levels, but meaning that you wont be able to use some of your favourite pokemon (ex Dragonite) until half way through the postgame without sweeping every gym
>worst evolution item distribution; enjoy getting your stones through postgame or rng phone calls because they removed the ability to buy them
>worst rematch system, enjoy waiting for random phone calls
>worst level curve, enjoy fighting level 12 zubats at the 7th gym
>still fighting level 25 shitmons in the grass all the way through the postgame kanto
>[insert gen] has too much kanto pandering!
meanwhile gen2 purposely neuters itself to cocksuck kanto
>rehashed the fire starter stats
>rehashed the league
>even elm is cucked because the first professor you see is fucking oak
>rehashed the encounter tables from beginning to end; enjoying seeing pidgey as your first pokemon and level 25 raticates outside of what is supposed to be the last area of the game lmfao
>rehashed kanto pokemon for the gym leaders and elite 4, some johto mons like the larvitar line are used by 0 NPCs
>rehash kanto but somehow gutted it of all content and made it a third of the size because johto is too dogshit to on its own
>rehashed team rocket but made it lame as fuck with the most boring plot and midgame hideout in the series; didn’t even update the pokemon they use at all, still spamming level 10 zubats the entire game

Gen 2 is objectively the worst in every conceivable way.

>>58412038
Johto has the best setting/music and atmosphere.
National Park is Ichinose's masterpiece.
Bring me back.

>>58412038
lie lie lie lie lie all you fucking do is lie

>>58412045
>Johto has the best setting/music and atmosphere.
wrong, and that's not the majority opinion at all >>58410963

>>58412038
fact fact fact fact fact all you fucking do is drop truth nukes

>>58412038
no lies detected

These are all made up quotes from a twitter spic. You’re all retarded

>>58411835
>And maybe if they'd taken another year they'd have actually come out as the best they could be the first time as shown by the aforementioned Third Versions.
You mean the versions that were based around bugfixes based on player feedback? Third versions aren't "finished" games, they're just tweaked versions with some sprinkles and some big, mostly separate mode duct-taped to the end. I think the third versions are generally better than their bases, but I don't subscribe to the idea that a third version "fixes" a game. If you hated DP, you aren't going to like Platinum because it's basically the same game but with some more stuff and tweaks. Emerald is also not going to fix RS's biggest problems because it's more or less the same game with some more stuff and tweaks. I've played RS and I've played Emerald. I've played DP and I've played Platinum. All on real hardware when they came out in English. I don't think the people saying third versions are godly while base versions are awful actually played those base versions. They played a ROM of the third version and are just repeating each other ad infinitum.

Also we can see from leaked material that not even Game Freak knows what they're going to do for a third version, they come up with a vague idea near the final few months of development of the base games and throw in some seeds, and then they actually have to flesh it out later. Rayquaza didn't look like Groudon or Kyogre, it was last minute, same with Giratina and even Kyurem to a degree. They made Zygarde and they thought "Oh, this will be Z, and we'll probably make a Z", but they didn't have many plans beyond what fans knew when those games came out. Even USUM, which came out less than a year after SM, was still being figured out. So many of these games have narratives that are looked at as definitive because they're being compared to a base game. Your game can always come out better, you have to release it at some point.

>>58412070
hoenn and sinnoh sound like shit same 5 instruments the whole game

>>58412070
We did it Reddit!

>>58412119
Maybe Hoenn, but Sinnoh's soundfonts and quality were immediately distinguishable to me. I still remember hearing Kricketot for the first time.

>>58410864
>>Emerald
>Vastly improved story
No, not really, it's pretty much the same story except both teams are the bad guys, you only get slightly more interactions with both of them, and their teams were practically interchangeable anyway (it's just Numel/Camerupt vs Carvanha/Sharpedo). Maxie and Archie still walk away scot free
>Slightly improved sprites
I'd argue that giving animations to all 386 Pokémon and forms was pretty significant. Sprites for items too, but that was a FRLG addition. Doesn't change that most overworld sprites are still just placeholders of Gen II Trainer designs. Some of the Trainer sprite alterations seem superfluous.
>>Platinum
>Greatly expanded regional Pokédex
You say this but it's just moving 56 Pokémon from post-League to pre-League. Platinum only adds 9 new Pokémon to Gen IV, 3 of them being to the regional Pokédex. Making the starter something that's given on Route 201 doesn't make the game better if it means you're no longer getting it at Lake Verity. I also don't like Platinum's Gym progression. It's more linear and boring and they make the world railroad you to accomplish it while not even changing the order of the badges in the badge case. Fantina's Gym puzzle is better in Platinum though.
>Improved sprites and character designs
The poses are a bit more dynamic, but I wouldn't call the spritework better. Base games are supposed to present the Pokémon in a standard state while third versions have to liven them up a bit. Lucas, Dawn, and Barry are the only updated character designs, and I wouldn't call Dawn or Barry's outright improvements, they're just different.

>>58412119
>hoenn and sinnoh sound like shi—
https://youtu.be/lRi40DEfZ5w
https://youtu.be/7sCPV1mTZIs

>>58412038
It's not the absolute worst generation, but you're not wrong about the rest. Sadly, nostalgiafags don't want to hear it and will continue to blame gen 3 for gen 2 nearly killing the franchise.

>>58412111
>Third versions aren't "finished" games
I find that exceedingly hard to believe with shit like Fantina's gym puzzle being a math quiz and the Tangela line not even being catchable natively in DP, sorry.
>If you hated DP, you aren't going to like Platinum because it's basically the same game but with some more stuff and tweaks.
I hated DP because the plot was boring with a nonexistant big bad and a blatant plothole at the end, the game's pace was fucking glacial in every facet, dogshit NPC teams, HM use was excessive in the latter half which was especially grating with the sheer amount of times you had to confirm their use, and the postgame was mediocre. Platinum appended the plot (it's not high art now but bare minimum it makes sense, gives Cyrus more presence, and has a far better if overrated climax to the villain), sped up the game (even if not enough), fixed up the bad NPC teams, and GREATLY expanded the postgame. DP was bad but it wasn't bereft of merit an Platinum proved that-you seem to think I called everything about it absolutely irredeemable when I simply described it as shitty.
>I don't think the people saying third versions are godly while base versions are awful actually played those
Good thing I simply said RS had a shitty story and didn't same the games themselves were bad? Good thing I didn't lump BW in there because I think it's good regardless of BW2's existence (yadda yadda "sequels not third versions" you know what I mean)? Sounds you like made a bunch of assumptions and then wrote a paragraph based off of them buddy.
>not even Game Freak knows what they're going to do for a third version
Maybe they would've come up with an idea and then implemented those into the base game if they'd taken more time. Also, given they had the idea of Giratina even if it wasn't wholly complete, I don't believe we can just say "Well it was totally last minute!", especially with the whole year delay the games had.

>>58408407 (OP)
If nothing else, he's probably the greatest video game composer of all time.

>>58411630
>Gen 3
>newfag
Retarded boomer detected

>>58408407 (OP)
KantoCHADS....
JohtoSAMURAI...
HoennTITANS...
SinnohGODS....

Do we know if any of this is actually real or is centro making shit up again

>>58408729
It was troo cooru, so i give furanchaizu fraw.

>>58412535
arguably
inarguably Top 3

>>58412464
>nostalgiafags
let's be clear that this means 'johtoddlers' here

>>58412478
>Fantina's gym
The math quiz is dumb and patronizing, even if this is a game for kids, but did her Platinum gym really take more resources to the point that her gym is "unfinished", or was it simply an underwhelming idea in the vein of Blaine's or Norman's gyms with choices/quizzes and a penalty where you face a Trainer, while also wanting you to try out the Pokétch?
>I hated DP because the plot was boring with a nonexistant big bad and a blatant plothole at the end
Like every Pokémon game before it where the villains disappear for no reason. Cyrus in DP isn't too different from your typical misanthropist JRPG villain, Hikawa from SMT III is the exact same character several years earlier. But what made DP's story intriguing was that Cyrus wasn't inherently wrong in his assessment, he knew what he was doing, he knew how to do it, and the scale of his actions was far greater than before. Maxie and Archie do something highly destructive, but their utter failure surrounding the situation and lack of common sense paints them as incompetent and lacking any real point. Platinum ends Cyrus' story in a poetic way. The only thing Platinum sped up was surfing speed, and surfing isn't done enough to the point I never even noticed the difference until I read it was a thing online. HM use is "excessive" in every pre-Gen V Pokémon game, but I still use two slaves in any game with HMs. I don't like the removal of inconvenience for HMs, I think it removes the point of having optional obstacles.

Platinum also didn't greatly expand the post-game unless you spend most of your time in battle facilities. Its actual post-game additions were nice (Spear Pillar legendaries, Gym Leader rematches, roaming Articuno/Zapdos/Moltres, a bit more Galactic story at Stark Mountain), it really wasn't that much extra over what DP already had. In fact, the moving of 56 post-game Pokémon to the regional Pokédex partially reduced Sinnoh's post-game in a way.

>>58412478
>>58413129
I would argue that Emerald's non-BF additions were more substantial, like the Safari Zone expansion. There's a Great Marsh expansion in Platinum, but it was in DP too. Platinum has mythical events, all of which were in DP. Emerald's updated trainer teams are great, especially Gym Leaders, but Gym Leader rematches in Emerald are marred by poor RNG being required to unlock them. RS and DP both only had a Battle Tower, but DP had a Tower Tycoon with a character connection. Emerald had animated Pokémon sprite entries like Crystal, but it didn't revert with DP, they also animated sprites. DP kept just about everything Gen III introduced or discarded from Gen II, like an expanded day and night cycle and mechanics, or online trading/battling/events.

I don't think BW's story is good or even better than most of what came before it (I think it's actually worse in a number of ways), I just think it has more focus and is more dramatic.

>Maybe they would've come up with an idea and then implemented those into the base game if they'd taken more time
Yes, and if they released HGSS in 2008 and Platinum in 2009, then Platinum would have had even more content than it did and HGSS wouldn't, but you can say that about anything. DP are pretty full games that get some improvements in Platinum, I remember being impressed by a lot of the decisions made in it like being able to see the entire regional Pokédex. I didn't like how the Hoenn Pokédex at 202 was so much harder to see and complete than in Gen II. Not only do you not see the third starter line, you don't even see your rival's final starter. DP were designed so you can see everything in the Sinnoh Pokédex without trading or events, even Manaphy, and then let you go far beyond any of the previous Pokédexes unlike Gen III which locked 180+ Pokémon behind trading. Platinum is generally better, but DP were such a step up from Gen III for me, they felt closer to what Masuda was touting as the ultimate Pokémon.

>>58413129
>>58413217
Uhhhh essay much? I ain't readin' all that
If I'm gonna be real I can't respond in full because I've got other obligates tonight+tomorrow (which I was preparing for throughout the day, hence the long breaks between responses), but I will say that you bare minimum seem passionate about the subject rather than just starting shit to start shit on an anonymous Tibetan croqueting forum. I'll concede on this topic and leave it at that

>>58408407 (OP)
Can we all agree gen 6 fans and onwards should all be genocided

>>58411128
kek

>>58410895
The post-game is Stadium GS and it is fucking amazing, you'd think serebii would understand that.

>>58415006
says the bort

>>58415446
>you have to buy a different game on console in order to get the full experience
i thought toddies said they hated this about gen iii

I apologize... sorry for doubting you, Masuda. You are the best director of Pokemon.
Fuck you, Ohmori.

>>58410982
Gen III is the only game until SV to play consistent 60FPS but that's mainly because the engine is so basic and empty it was easier to optimize. FRLG feel much slower than RSE and I'm not sure why, it feels like they intentionally nerfed the movement speed to emphasize the running shoes which makes it ridiculous you don't get them until after Brock. I never feel like I'm not making progress in RB so the movement speed feeling sluggish in FRLG is very noticeable. The maps being slightly altered to be wider doesn't help either, let alone the absolutely gross, generic tilesets

It's like the worst of Hoenn + the worst of Sinnoh set in Kanto

>>58410864
>Emerald
>Vastly improved story
It's the same story except there is no Courtney and Rayquaza solves the problem instead of the player. ORAS unironically did it better. And also a worse champion, replacing Steven with Wallace is criminal.

>>58411961
Given this was BDSP concept art, it's more likely Masuda wanted "faithful" remakes given those are the only kind of remakes he's ever made. FRLG and LGPE are pretty on-par with BDSP in quality, especially since FRLG likely was produced in the same time frame as BDSP as a way to make up for Hoenn's lack of oldmons

>>58410928
Incredible how wrong this picture is, you don't even fight the Elite 4 until post-game, you're not even declared Champion after beating N, but rather Alder.

>golden age of pokemon begins (XY-
bait used to be believable

>>58412119
Hoenn's soundtrack is too unique but you can still do amazing things with it by simply adding instruments from the Pinball game to it. We are talking recreating entire Sinnoh, Unova, Kalos tracks in the game.
https://youtu.be/-FSncUB-KtU

>>58415487
you can probably pump out a remake in a year like back in the day but definitely not possible post 3ds era. If they wanted to make BDSP they should've given them 3 years instead of less than a year that they had.

>>58415518
"gen iii has a shitty soundfont" fags btfo

>>58415526
Let alone for a studio that had NEVER made their own game. Imagine plucking a studio that only supported making mobile games and going "you're making remakes in a year because my old dev team don't want to and delayed the game despite the fact we need Holiday slop"

It's genuinely insane, even a game like BDSP could've done with just a little bit of polish so they didn't fuck up basic shit like keeping the clock glitch or reversing Spinda's code. Pokemon games in general were all doujin products that just happened to sell well thanks to Nintendo pushing them so them being not as impressive as bigger budget games didn't matter much back then by when they made that 3D leap yet kept their old design practices it really was over for the franchise. Like it's no wonder Masuda got kicked out, the type of games he makes just don't cut in in the modern era

>>58415450
I don't know what anyone else says about things, but the pipeline in nipland was GS->StadiumGS and it makes a lot more sense when you look at it that way. Shit like Elekid makes more sense when you have Little Cup, the "postgame mons" make more sense when you aren't yet at the postgame, and official Nintendo events in Japan were held on StadiumGS using the rules and mechanics on that game. It feels like they moved away from that half-heartedly in Gen III (you still had console side games to fill out the content but the intended postgame moved back to cartridge with Contests, Battle Frontier and tournaments being held on handheld), then they tried to go back to console postgame with Battle Revolution but it was a bit of a damp squib, then they went back to cart postgame and stayed there.
I'm not saying you have to like Gen II postgame, but at least acknowledge what it is as intended.

>>58410884
Ehhhh, I love Gen IV it's my second favorite in the series after III, but show me a webm of you OHKOing a mon in an Open Level facility in Platinum or going through a 100 text boxes vs OHKOing a mon in an Open Level facility in Emerald or going through 100 Gen III text boxes. Don't think anyone's complaining about battle entrances.

>>58415555
I think it's even more insane that they bought ILCA as a whole despite BDSP, and they have done HOME and are in charge of doing Championships

I've said for years that Masuda kept the ship afloat, whatever his faults.

>>58410853
Based

>>58408777
TRVKE and jackpot

>>58408407 (OP)
they kicked him out because they wanted to have yes men

Do you think masuda has a hard-on for XY cause it was the last game he directed?
>twitter banner is still from the XY era with kalos starters iirc
>it's the only game he recognizes the anniversary for through tweets
>pretty sure his pfp was or still is the eiffel tower

>>58408407 (OP)
>He's good because he
>Made gen 1
>Made gen 1 remake
>Made gen 1 (gen 5)
Wooooowwww

/vp/ used to shit on this guy so much back in the day.

As much as I disliked some of his choices, I can't argue. Masuda saved Pokemon, made it into an evergreen game franchise in his own image, and provided some of the most memorable moments for fans.

I always bought the "punished Masuda" theory where he gave up after BW were rejected and that's why XY were rushed and the series turned over to Ohmori. LGPE is a terrible game because of the GO shit, yet it's a beautiful, detailed, intricate love letter to the Kanto region, and you can tell that's where Masuda's heart was.
And since I dislike the new games so much, it feels appropriate to leave the series behind with its architect, much like I will never play Metal Gear without Kojima.

Tajiri = Jesus Christ
Masuda = Simon Peter
Sugimori = John
Ishihara = Judas Iscariot
Rest of the RG dev team = the other Apostles
Miyamoto = Constantine
Ohmori = medieval Papacy

>>58417524
Teraleak disproved that theory though, he was as ambitious with XY as he was with all of his other projects. It needed more time in the oven though but unlike with D/P, the Big N wouldn’t allow it due to the 3DS having a botched launch, so we got 2 Pokemon games back to back, a year before they were supposed to come out.

>>58417638
.... Wait.