Thread 58409680

What smogon tier will Mega Delphox be in? Also I think it’s real ability will be levitate.

>>58409680 (OP)
Iron Moth at home

it'll definitely be in one of the higher tiers, but how high exactly depends entirely on its ability, since it's sacrificing an item to get there

>>58409680 (OP)
I hope not. Can’t psyspam expandingforce with Levitate

>>58409680 (OP)
>sucker punch
lel

>>58409680 (OP)
assuming levitate, this thing is probably not making waves in OU. sure it's fast and strong, but it's also a psychic type which is really fucking bad these days and 134 speed just isn't gamebreaking enough to carry it on its own. OU has a ton of answers to it as-is, like gambit, pult, ceruledge, and booster energy mons like moth and valiant. hell, even zamazenta gives it trouble because it outspeeds and does massive damage with crunch.
i'm gonna say BL because it's probably too much for UU, but i just don't see why you would run this thing as your mega. even with a nasty plot up it's trivial for offense to revenge it, and stall simply doesn't care because skeledirge handles it with ease.
and if you're running a 4 attacks set, there's really nothing it has over iron moth.

>>58409680 (OP)
I'm gonna say UUBL.
Too strong for UU, but not strong enough in OU to be worth your mega slot.

>>58409680 (OP)
what are the stats for all the megas?

>>58409680 (OP)
Will be joining mega Alakazam after it gets banned. If it wasn't for the speed, Delphox would be a straight upgrade to it.

>>58409680 (OP)
>worse speed and spatk than MAlakazam
It will be used as a special tank

>>58409680 (OP)
Levitate is extremely unlikely, then it can't benefit from Expanding Force, which is the sole reason Psychic even has a foothold in VGC (the primary meta that GameFreak designs viable mons for).

>not as fast and doesn't hit as hard as Mega Alakazam
>no sun boosted Fire Blast
Grim. Will be usable but get out-shined.

>>58410721
My guy this stat spread was UU two generations ago. This is an RU shitmon.

>>58409680 (OP)
mega alakazam if he
>weaker
>slower
>weak to rocks instead of magically guarded
lol

>>58409680 (OP)
UU if Levitate due to not benefitting from terrains, OU if Magic Bounce/Guard

>>58409680 (OP)
Give it Psychic Surge. Expanding Force with these stats would be kino

>>58410892
nigger

>>58409680 (OP)
>fanfic meta

>>58410721
Heatran is UU (or was until very recently). Mega-Delphox gets stuffed just as hard as regular Delphox by Heatran

>>58409680 (OP)
Pretty decent stat buff, but since it's competing for a Mega slot with a bunch of other Megas, and Delphox is already a shitmon, it won't be seeing much use unless its ability is godlike.

To put it into perspective, Mega Beedrill is notably faster and hits notably harder and it was UU last time it was seen.

>>58411065
>Mega Beedrill is notably faster and hits notably harder and it was UU last time it was seen.
to be fair, that was mostly just down to its moveset and coverage being shit
beedrill had little in the way of actually high-power moves or coverage and bug/poison is far from an effective STAB combo even with adaptability powering it up
Delphox has a significantly better STAB combo and solid coverage with moves that actually go above 80 power, and that's even ignoring factors like potential sun support

>>58409680 (OP)
NU

>>58409680 (OP)
Levitate seems obvious but I wouldn't think it's certain, lots of things that look like they would have Levitate don't get it nowadays. I don't think Speed Boost because it's already fast enough that it'd be overkill. If anything, the ability will be something minor because the stats are already super good.

There's no way to know until we get abilities.
That's what makes or breaks a mega, it has to be something that compensates a lack of item, raw stats only go so far.

Gen 9 smogon is a clown format. The real question is how good would this be in gen 6 OU?

>>58409680 (OP)
I think smogon will have to rethink their tiers. At this point UUBL can be it's own tier and UUbers is already it's own tier.

>>58409680 (OP)
Paradox mons have irreversibly powercrept most of the mons. RU

>>58409680 (OP)
UUBL. Good in VGC too for psyspam + Torkoal TR teams, but that one stat point slower than Flutter Mane is unfortunate.

>>58411221
Honestly Mega Beedrill is still probably better in large part because it actually has a pivot move it can exploit.
>and that's even ignoring factors like potential sun support
I can't imagine a sun team that would run this over Mega Zard.

>>58409899
I always hypnosis over kingambit with my phox, "always" works lmao

Metafaggotry has done severe irreversible damage to Pokemon.

>>58414731
Blame the franchise for EVER humoring it with VGC. If not for that, the autists would've stayed in their little corner with their battle sims, while everyone else could play nice together on the actual games.

>>58412562
To be fair, most UUBL mons aren't bad, they're just outclassed.
None of picrel mons are bad in OU. They're all just either outclassed or only exist on niche teams that don't make up enough usage.
There's nothing wrong with UUBL existing or a mon being in UUBL.
It's very rare for a mon to genuinely slip through the cracks and be stuck in BL hell where it's banned from the tier below but too weak for the tier above.

>>58409680 (OP)
Banned because anything that's not stall completely kills singles, the shitty broken format even GF knows it just doesn't work competitively

>>58409680 (OP)
>looks at OU list

Competitive pokemon really is pretty shit right now, isn't it? When exactly did it go to shit? Probably gen 5 with weather wars, which is a shame because without them it had a really solid collection of pokes overall.

>>58415941
It was fine until Gen 4 where the first cracks appeared and they got really in love with their arbitrary rules and bans. Nowadays, Smogon singles is essentially a fan game somewhat based on the real game. Trying to make singles competitive just doesn't work anymore.

>>58409899
Psychic Terrain!

Tell me about the yuki-onna. Is she just one Technician away from being good, or am I just doomes in an incredibly gay post-Flutter Mane world?

>>58409680 (OP)
if only that speed were an extra 20

>>58409680 (OP)
If Levitate then OU, UUBL at worst

If say Magic Guard then OU proper

If it’s Psychic Surge, Ubers no questions asked

>>58410949
and has Fire STAB so that you’re not hard walled by Steel and Dark types not named Tyranitar, Chi-Yu or Incineroar

>>58410949
Mega Alakazam can't set up for fucking shit. He's too frail.

>>58416758
So is Delphox, look at that defense it fucking melts and it doesn't have the speed to tank at least 1 hit unlike Alakazam

>>58410949
>fire stab
>ability could be MG
I agree that speed is a big factor but couldn't save Mega Aero while Mega Lucario got banned

>>58411065
>hits harder
>80 BP adaptability =160 @ 150 atk
VS
>110 BP STAB = 165 @ 159 spA
huh

>>58415845
>What are wallbreakers?

>>58416720
i was really hoping her mega would lean physical and be technician-based, froslass was always a mixed attacker and technician triple axel would absolutely hard carry her to relevancy by virtue of being a fucking z-move at 180BP.
but maybe she'll get snow warning, that could be enough.

Where do you think Eelektross will land if it gets Electric Surge?

>>58409680 (OP)
UUBL is my prediction. Fire Psychic as a type means you are incredibly dependent of the surrounding meta. Too many good waters and darks and you're getting sucker punched and aqua jetted into the stratosphere

>>58418240
h-samurott is everywhere and that thing always carries sucker or jet.

>>58418218
If the paradoxes are staying, then OU.

>>58418200
Technician Frost Breath + Nasty Plot is still pretty nasty tho

>>58411029
but delphox can know scorching sands now....

>>58418218
RU, UU at best