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Anonymous No.58452161 [Report] >>58453850 >>58456059
Let's Play ZA Together #12
Share your finds and ask questions.

Rentry with some pokemon/item locations please post things you find so they can be added: https://rentry.org/4qmyxp7w

Previous thread: >>58447901
Anonymous No.58452171 [Report] >>58453528
how the fuck do you get down here?
Anonymous No.58452189 [Report] >>58452198 >>58452737
The days go by so quickly. I barely have enough time to do one single thing, let alone catching, grinding, item/shard hoarding, exploration, side missions, etc.
Anonymous No.58452198 [Report]
>>58452189
yeah it is annoying would be fine if they didnt do the cutscene that resets the map
Anonymous No.58452273 [Report]
Wild Area 8 definitely proves we could have a Pokémon Warriors game.
Anonymous No.58452285 [Report] >>58454188
The Megas for this game specifically feel very Japan-focused, from looking at a few streams the Japs seem to pick up on all the references immediately (like Pyroar's Mega turning the kanji it's mane makes into a different one) and appreciate them while the English audience just think they looks dumb.

Not to say I think just because you get the reference it magically makes something a good design but it feels like there's a bigger gap here than there usually is.
Anonymous No.58452299 [Report] >>58454166
Lost to Taunie at the end and the plot continued but since Gamefreak isn't the type to make two final bosses. I assume there's a quick line to have her go up with Floette even if you win.

Also lost to the final boss, dumped all my rare candies on Emboar, then barely used it because I didn't find out you can open the menu and heal if you stand still until round 2.

Onto post game now, I don't see myself going full autist on this game though, will just complete the Pokedex, clean up my team a little for the DLC, then try just enough PvP to get the mega stones.
Anonymous No.58452387 [Report] >>58452436 >>58452635 >>58453079
Guys I have a question:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAKrf2JoGBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQwCJxcJYXQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CS32kuOHsU
Various sites have mentioned that there’s a fixed alpha Camerupt spawn inside wild zone 8 and even these 3 videos all show that it’s there, but it’s never shown up for me no matter how many times i check wild zone 8; and i’ve already caught all the mons in wild zone 8 too, can anyone else not find the alpha Camerupt?
Anonymous No.58452436 [Report] >>58452630
>>58452387
It's been there every single time I go to the zone
Anonymous No.58452487 [Report]
I don't understand why they have your rival job in the first round of the tournament then 5 minutes later they pretend like the rival is top 2 trainer in the city
Anonymous No.58452488 [Report] >>58452521
>Wild Aggron in post game
>Beat
>Throw heavy ball at its back
>It escapes
Catch rates be fucked.
Anonymous No.58452521 [Report] >>58452565
>>58452488
Should have simped and bought more Canari dolls that increases catch rate anon
Anonymous No.58452565 [Report]
>>58452521
Bought 3 of those before anything else.
Anonymous No.58452584 [Report] >>58452605
Seeing Mega Skarmory animate and stuff definitely makes me like it, that original leaked image of an unshaded imported 3D file definitely didnt do it justice. When the talons are actually facing forward and grabbing it looks a lot more threatening rather than goofy. Feels like one of those mons that would benefit from a really dynamic sprite rather than modern game idle poses.

Still think it should have had bigger wings though.
Anonymous No.58452605 [Report] >>58452621
>>58452584
I'd like it more if it wasn't gold
Anonymous No.58452611 [Report]
>spend 4 hours rerolling a zone for shiny gastly
>after another 30 minutes not got a single shiny except the weedle nearby
>finally give up and reroll one last time to be sure before bed
>two shiny gastly, male and female and an alpha shiny Patrat
I fucking hate the desire sensor
Anonymous No.58452621 [Report]
>>58452605
The gold really feels like a "we didnt change it enough so lets change the color to make it feel more different".
IMO bigger wings (not crazy, like 50% bigger) and the big talons together could have justified keeping it silver.
Anonymous No.58452630 [Report] >>58452634 >>58452635
>>58452436
No matter how many times I check wild zone 8 the alpha Camerupt isn’t there, I don’t get it, I’m pretty sure it’s supposed to spawn outside that stall with the blue tarp but it’s just not showing? I want it
Anonymous No.58452634 [Report] >>58452678
>>58452630
cant you just reroll for an alpha numel? Probably be faster
Anonymous No.58452635 [Report] >>58452678
>>58452387
>>58452630
it wasn't there for me when I first unlocked the area, it only showed up later when I was further into the game
Anonymous No.58452657 [Report]
Where are inkays in zone 11?
Anonymous No.58452668 [Report] >>58452680
So which pokemon you absolutely cannot get without trading?
>Scizor
>Slurpuff
>Aromatisse
Is that all of them? Or can you get them somehow?
Anonymous No.58452678 [Report]
>>58452634
>>58452635
Maybe I should just progress the story to see if it appears later (i’m at rank F), but it’s weird if this Camerupt is the only fixed alpha so far that doesn’t appear until you progress the story, every other fixed alpha I’ve seen so far, including ones higher level than it like Manectric, Sharpedo, Watchog and Arbok in wild zones 9 and 10 I’ve already found and caught just fine
Anonymous No.58452680 [Report] >>58452684
>>58452668
I hate that my favourite two pokemon Scizor and Gengar are always locked behind trade mechanics
Anonymous No.58452684 [Report] >>58452692
>>58452680
you get 2 Gengars as part of the story at least
Anonymous No.58452692 [Report] >>58452703 >>58452716
>>58452684
yea but I got some shiny gastly I wanna evolve
Anonymous No.58452703 [Report] >>58452725 >>58452769
>>58452692
too bad gamefreak still hasn't figured out a way to evolve trade evolutions without trading...
Anonymous No.58452716 [Report] >>58452725
>>58452692
Can't you find someone to trade with and trade back? I'm sure there are people who still need the trade evo missions.
Anonymous No.58452725 [Report]
>>58452716
My friend is coming over in a week to do some trades, I dont trust anyone online lmao, there's always one cheeky fucker

>>58452703
I would put money on the greedy bastards locking this shit behind the dlc
Anonymous No.58452737 [Report]
>>58452189
Where is she at in the postgame? Do I need to finish Infinite Royale 15 times to see her again?
Anonymous No.58452747 [Report]
Dumb question, how do you cancel a mega evo without waiting for the gauge to run out?
Anonymous No.58452755 [Report]
>Litwick quest
pure SOVL, unironically
Anonymous No.58452763 [Report] >>58452774
Does Lebanne say something different depending on whether you take her offered heals or not? She mentioned something about me being a battle master who doesn't need to heal his Pokemon or something, when I refused both offers to heal.
Anonymous No.58452769 [Report]
>>58452703
My guess is PLA only had this because some early version of it wasnt going to have any online features at all.
Anonymous No.58452774 [Report] >>58452874
>>58452763
She does, yeah. I took the first but denied the second and all she told me was that I shouldn't make it harder for myself than necessary
Anonymous No.58452788 [Report] >>58452953
>Get to psot game
>Check E.V's.
>My Starmie has half in attack
Ew, wiped that shit ASAP and slapped on the Power Lens. Do Pokemon gain E.V's outside power items when not used in battle?
Anonymous No.58452806 [Report]
Decided to replace the MZ jacket
Anonymous No.58452810 [Report] >>58453094
Is there any disadvantage to using evo stones to evolve mons as soon as you can in this game?
Anonymous No.58452825 [Report] >>58452836
These restaurant gauntlet quests are tough as balls, my mons are averaging late 50s early 60s and my team was still banged up by the end of the 2 star one. If there's one for every star ranking I can't imagine how long those'll take me
Anonymous No.58452836 [Report]
>>58452825
Theres one with 10 battles
Anonymous No.58452837 [Report] >>58452843 >>58453135
Did I miss something or do I really have to grind out 500 more battles just to get the 100 points I need to lv 50?
Anonymous No.58452843 [Report]
>>58452837
Should have done that first have fun i'm 670/1000
Anonymous No.58452856 [Report] >>58453056
The Alpha Size Difference is just crazy
Anonymous No.58452858 [Report]
God my team fucking SUCKS it's all glass cannons and they melt when they have to fight longer than 5 seconds, the restaurant shit is impossible since I can't heal with items. Need to rework it from the ground up.
Anonymous No.58452874 [Report] >>58452894
>>58452774
I meant at the end, once you beat her. She says even if you’re a trainer who doesn’t need to heal, she’ll keep wearing you down.
Anonymous No.58452894 [Report]
>>58452874
Oh, yeah I didn't that dialogue either, all she said was that she can go again and just needs to heal her mons real quick before being interrupted by Taunie
Anonymous No.58452953 [Report]
>>58452788
Ever since SwSh, yeah, everyone always gets EVs even if they dont fight.
Either max out EVs early on / as soon as you have access to a power item, or use the berries to fix mistakes.
Anonymous No.58452956 [Report] >>58452971
Without abilities, do pokemon that should levitate avoid ground moves?
Anonymous No.58452960 [Report]
>do pointless attacks
>dodge projectiles
>go mega
>do normal attacks
>rinse
>repeat
Why yes, I don't like boss fights. Also why they don't have Scolipedite right away.
Anonymous No.58452971 [Report]
>>58452956
No
Anonymous No.58452979 [Report] >>58453015 >>58453112
What happens if you don't do everything you're supposed to do by the end of the day? Like a rogue mega or a story event
Anonymous No.58452982 [Report] >>58452987
Help, how do I get rid of a mega evo so i can send the mon to a box
Anonymous No.58452987 [Report]
>>58452982
Let it outside and wait until the timer runs out
Anonymous No.58453015 [Report]
>>58452979
Nothing ever happens. They will wait day and night for you, anon.
Anonymous No.58453022 [Report] >>58453032 >>58453067 >>58453365
I haven't made much progress yet, once areas are converted into wild zones, are all the interactable NPCs inside removed?
Anonymous No.58453032 [Report]
>>58453022
I don't think so? You can't talk to them while in battle tho
Anonymous No.58453037 [Report] >>58453055
how do spawns actually work? I cant get a respawn even after spamming day and night at the bench
Anonymous No.58453047 [Report] >>58453063
she saved their marriage what a good girl
Anonymous No.58453055 [Report] >>58453089
>>58453037
Real time, like 5 minutes or so
Anonymous No.58453056 [Report] >>58453066
>>58452856
it was better in plza
Anonymous No.58453063 [Report] >>58453065
>>58453047
I've always wondered what it would feel like to fuck a shuppet, like a silk onahole perhaps
Anonymous No.58453065 [Report]
>>58453063
Do not the shup
Anonymous No.58453066 [Report]
>>58453056
Anonymous No.58453067 [Report]
>>58453022
I find it funny how you can get chased by a berserk alpha one moment, then take a seat on a bench mid battle and turn on the photo mode like nothing happened. Why are there people chilling on a bench in the wild zones anyway.
Anonymous No.58453079 [Report]
>>58452387
Evolution Alphas aren't fixed they can just spawn. That camerupt can spawn but you need to first to catch all the pokemon regular pokemon that can be caught in the area, then you just have to reset the zone until it spawns. Quick traveling actually works despite claims, that's what I've done.
Anonymous No.58453089 [Report]
>>58453055
oh makes sense
Anonymous No.58453091 [Report] >>58453097 >>58453100
Rank E currently, are there other Exp candies to trade mega shards for later or is it just S candies?
Anonymous No.58453094 [Report]
>>58452810
None known so far, unless it makes it move slower.
Anonymous No.58453097 [Report] >>58453110
>>58453091
M and L post game
Anonymous No.58453100 [Report]
>>58453091
You can get all of them eventually
Anonymous No.58453104 [Report] >>58453111 >>58453116
Is false swipe just not in this game? i'm going through hell trying to catch Alpha Mawile in a luxury ball and could really use some false swipage, but scyther doesn't seem to learn it.
Anonymous No.58453110 [Report]
>>58453097
Lame. Thanks anon.
Anonymous No.58453111 [Report] >>58453148
>>58453104
Every move is a false swipe basically now
Anonymous No.58453112 [Report]
>>58452979
You can do quests day or night, it doesn't matter. The dynamics of Night transition are there just for the money gathering check and ofc assorted pokemon spawns
Anonymous No.58453116 [Report] >>58453123
>>58453104
I thought you're supposed to knock them out, then catch.
Anonymous No.58453123 [Report] >>58453125
>>58453116
You only get one chance after you knock them out and then they despawn
Anonymous No.58453125 [Report] >>58453148 >>58453270
>>58453123
manual save before fighting them
Anonymous No.58453135 [Report]
>>58452837
I'll be doing a billion infinite royales to get balls for my balltism so it works for me
Anonymous No.58453148 [Report]
>>58453111
except they die if you don't catch them in one go, and Mawile's catch rate is bullshit
>>58453125
Might actually speed things up, but still not as good as just having false swipe in the game. I'm seriously considering trying to use super fang to get as close to 1 HP as i can.
Anonymous No.58453156 [Report] >>58453221 >>58453222 >>58453264
>when you rush the story
Anonymous No.58453179 [Report] >>58453202
>hop on online battles to see what's up
>Season 1 for Greninjaite is like 2 weeks long
Yeah okay gamefreak you're boned if you didn't start day 1
Anonymous No.58453184 [Report]
Hoping they add another way to get Galarian Slowpokes. My Living dex autism refuses to evolve mine.
Anonymous No.58453194 [Report]
Does Leaf Blade keep missing for anyone else?
Anonymous No.58453202 [Report] >>58453211
>>58453179
im not even gonna look at the online i like not evolving my my mon because 2nd stage is usually nicer so ill just get raped
Anonymous No.58453206 [Report] >>58453247
is there a way to map the satchel items to different buttons

not having that in battles feels like an oversight
Anonymous No.58453211 [Report]
>>58453202
It's a point based system, you can still rank up albeit a little slowly.
Anonymous No.58453212 [Report] >>58453227
I miss picnics, ngl. Interaction with your team is awkward in this game.
Anonymous No.58453221 [Report]
>>58453156
I still only have 6 wild zones, spent way too long hunting shinies to use throughout the story
Anonymous No.58453222 [Report]
>>58453156
I did all the sidequests until D rank so my post game map looks like that. I might do some clean up but the current plan is to call it a day once I get the legendaries and Floette until the DLC hits.
Anonymous No.58453227 [Report]
>>58453212
True. You can't even press A to interact with your Pokemon anymore.
Anonymous No.58453235 [Report]
How's the online on switch 1, does the 30fps put you at a disadvantage?
Anonymous No.58453237 [Report]
>Reached rank K for the mega stone in under an hour
That was easier than expected.
Anonymous No.58453247 [Report]
>>58453206
GF's a young developer, they're still learning.
Anonymous No.58453264 [Report]
>>58453156
What was the point of skipping to rank F if the story is really short? I wouldn't have minded climbing all the way while doing missions in my free time.
Anonymous No.58453265 [Report]
Just beat the game, I realized I can no longer farm Mega Shards from the tower, where do I get more shards I need to get rest of the stones
Anonymous No.58453270 [Report]
>>58453125
thanks for this suggestion, that sped things up a ton and I finally caught it.
Anonymous No.58453286 [Report] >>58453303
How do you beat the strongest Pikachu quest? Is there a tm for dig somewhere?
Anonymous No.58453292 [Report]
So is the best moveset for every pokemon Protect/any other "invuln" move + whatever
Anonymous No.58453303 [Report] >>58453751
>>58453286
There's a Raichu only battle later so I taught my Pikachu surf, did half assed E.V training on it, and am leveling it to 60ish, at which point I'll evolve it for the Raichu fight after the Pikachu fight.
Anonymous No.58453365 [Report] >>58453372
>>58453022
Why does it matter?
Anonymous No.58453372 [Report] >>58453452
>>58453365
I don't want the world to start feeling dead
Anonymous No.58453399 [Report]
I can respect the hustle.
Does the Spewpa you get out of this always become a blue pattern or is it random?
Anonymous No.58453426 [Report] >>58453590
Is EV training Speed even worth a damn in this? It doesn't seem like it helps with cooldown at all.
Anonymous No.58453452 [Report] >>58453462
>>58453372
>start
Anonymous No.58453462 [Report] >>58453500
>>58453452
There are people fucking everywhere
Anonymous No.58453467 [Report] >>58453530
>the literal only discussion I see about her before playing is her design so I expect her to be a boring girly girl rich kid
>turns out she's self-absorbed to a genuinely hilarious degree, throws around her money to get what she wants constantly, and has one of the best battle themes in the game
Her entire section of the game was great and barely anyone talks about it because she's fucking black
Anonymous No.58453470 [Report]
>start online match
>one of the long arenas that you would think be a setup for 2v2 team battle since you start really close to one person
>start fighting the guy next to me
>both of the people on the other side ran over to attack me
Anonymous No.58453477 [Report] >>58453517
It's the year 2049. The Switch 5 has finally produced a Pokemon game where every city is the size of ZA Lumiose.
Anonymous No.58453500 [Report] >>58453504
>>58453462
who stand around in a default pose
Anonymous No.58453504 [Report]
>>58453500
You mean like most real people
Anonymous No.58453505 [Report] >>58453514 >>58453531
>here we have a 10 course meal
>never subwayed or towered in my 20 years of pokemon

holy shit
Anonymous No.58453507 [Report]
Why is Urbain so cute…?
Anonymous No.58453514 [Report]
>>58453505
You had 20 years to prep. This one is on you
Anonymous No.58453517 [Report] >>58453523
>>58453477
and you still can't enter the buildings
Anonymous No.58453523 [Report]
>>58453517
Small indie galacticorp
Anonymous No.58453528 [Report] >>58453788
>>58452171
Go through the wild area that's close by. I also almost believed that an NPC clipped through the ground.
Anonymous No.58453530 [Report]
>>58453467
The vast majority of people who didn't start with the leak haven't reached her yet.
Anonymous No.58453531 [Report]
>>58453505
The towers and subway at least heal your team in between. This shit is just brutality.
Anonymous No.58453590 [Report] >>58453618
>>58453426
Speed doesn't directly affect cooldwon, but it affects how quickly moves come out. So Thunder from a Jolteon with max evs will come out faster than Thunder from one without. Cooldowns are fixed, but obviously the one that does the move quicker will have to wait less in general.
Anonymous No.58453603 [Report] >>58453712
The only starter I like here is Chikorita but she was complete ass in HGSS and I don’t think I can do that to myself again.
Anonymous No.58453618 [Report] >>58453630
>>58453590
dead ass they make cast animation faster??
Anonymous No.58453630 [Report] >>58453641
>>58453618
Yes, this makes load times for heavy attacks less jarring.

In another topic, pokemon can double KO like in the anime. Amazing.
Anonymous No.58453641 [Report]
>>58453630
>pokemon can double KO like in the anime.
I actually had this happen and it was absolute cinema
Anonymous No.58453650 [Report] >>58453656 >>58453679 >>58453689
Does confusion even do anything? My Pokemon don't seem to be affected by it.
Anonymous No.58453656 [Report]
>>58453650
I think it slows you down?
Anonymous No.58453665 [Report] >>58453719 >>58453901
Where do you guys grind/power level in ZA? My main team is fine but I want to swap out some members and get them up to speed quick.
Anonymous No.58453673 [Report]
>This Jacinthe arc
this woman is a menace
Anonymous No.58453679 [Report]
>>58453650
It makes them move in non straight patterns, meaning it becomes much harder to dodge. Not like that was easy to do to begin with.
Anonymous No.58453689 [Report]
>>58453650
Screws with movement, so you get hit more and hit less
Anonymous No.58453709 [Report]
do I get more main quests if I do the infinite battle shit? I already got yveltal and xerneas
Anonymous No.58453712 [Report] >>58453786
>>58453603
I've been using Meganium and it unironically pulls its weight more often than not. Its Megas' stat spread is basically perfect for the game (very bulky, high offense, not too slow so Cooldowns aren't egregious), Fairy coverage goes surprisingly far for it, and Screens are busted as shit.
Anonymous No.58453717 [Report]
Does anyone else counts the amounts of times you dodge or even move your character during battles? Around 8 hours in and I only moved around like two times. Them adding that with that little need to make use of it blows.
Anonymous No.58453719 [Report] >>58453789
>>58453665
Not worth power grinding for the campaign. Maybe if you want to mess around in battle royals, sure, but even then it's really not to be competitive like the core games.
Anonymous No.58453742 [Report] >>58453758 >>58453773 >>58453809
I got absol and man, my match with Urbain afterwards really showed that I need to start learning how to stop targeting pokemon and getting them to start moving out of the way of attacks because their cooldowns are much faster than mine, poor Absol got one shotted

I've got 3 things I wanna do
Train up to level 40
Catch a Shiny Dratini
Find Blue Floette for the quest I haven't been able to complete

Need tips for all of them namely the shiny dratini should I wait til I have the shiny charm?
Anonymous No.58453751 [Report] >>58453784
>>58453303
At lvl 50 his pikachu one shots you with dig, which you can't protect against, so that may be not be enough
Anonymous No.58453758 [Report]
>>58453742
Shiny´charm is really late post game so i would say hunt some before
Anonymous No.58453763 [Report] >>58453780
this nigger cheats
Anonymous No.58453773 [Report]
>>58453742
>Shiny Dratini
There's one on a roof right next to Restaurant Le Nah. Warp there, take the nearby ladder, and swing your camera around to see if it's shiny, if not warp again. It's basically half a minute per reset.
>Blue Flabebe
Rentry in the OP has Flabebe color locations, look there
Anonymous No.58453780 [Report]
>>58453763
>teleports behind you
Anonymous No.58453784 [Report] >>58453823
>>58453751
Got to level 60 and he one shot me with dig. Have to win 15 infinite royal prize matches for Floette so will grind Pikachu up that way. Starter is over leveled and I caught Xerneas and Yvetal so it will get the rest of my team caught up for Lysandre while I await the DLC. I just don't care enough to do all of Mable's shit.
Anonymous No.58453786 [Report] >>58453813
>>58453712
Which moves does your Meganium currently have?
Anonymous No.58453788 [Report]
>>58453528
great got it thanks, the sewer area is actually pretty comfy sucks there wont be a reason to come back though lol
Anonymous No.58453789 [Report] >>58453798 >>58453901
>>58453719
I just meant in the sense of like, leveling up a mon quickly to get it up to speed. Like getting a Lv6 shitmon to Lv40 relatively quickly
Anonymous No.58453794 [Report] >>58453820 >>58453982 >>58454004 >>58454073 >>58454595
How are you guys enjoying the battle system?
Should it become the main one, or was turn based better?
Anonymous No.58453798 [Report] >>58453843
>>58453789
probably just the night battles
Anonymous No.58453803 [Report] >>58453852 >>58453861
Anyone using Mega Dragonite in their playthough? It seems kinda awkward to use since it goes from being a physical to special attacker after mega, so if you build say modest with all special moves you're kinda gimped until you mega evolve. Been considering using Garchomp instead for my Dragon mega since Chomp doesn't have this issue...
Anonymous No.58453804 [Report] >>58453852 >>58453864
anyone got the dlc uploaded for emulators yet? any emulator bros figure out how to evolve trade only mons?
Anonymous No.58453808 [Report] >>58453842 >>58456077
>dex says mega meganium can shoot solar beams fast
>try it
>no charge time versus a long one without mega
huh
any other pseudo abilities like that?
Anonymous No.58453809 [Report]
>>58453742
blue flabebe is in the rentry, theres also a dratini alpha spawn there which isnt always alpha an anon got a shiny alpha dragonair maybe try that
Anonymous No.58453813 [Report] >>58453847
>>58453786
Giga Drain, Dazzling Gleam, Reflect, Light Screen. I basically use it as a super bulky self-sustaining boxer by setting up screens and then cycling between the moves (neither Giga Drain or Dazzling Gleam have long wind-up animations because they're short range). If it's against an opponent it has a neutral matchup with, I'll instead set up screens, MAYBE top off with Giga Drain, and then swap out to the teammate with the good matchup.
Anonymous No.58453820 [Report] >>58453938
>>58453794
It's extremely fun in the rouge mega battles, but I think it needs a lot more polish before/if it becomes the new regular battle system.
Anonymous No.58453823 [Report]
>>58453784
Try some items like sash or soemthing idk
Anonymous No.58453826 [Report] >>58453980
When can I get Drampa? Also how much harder does the game get? I know it’s Pokemon so it’s not gonna be hard at all but I beat Canari by spamming random bullshit and the only challenging stuff so far is when I try fighting alphas 10+ levels above me without scolipede toxic infestation trolling.
Anonymous No.58453828 [Report]
bought the game today award. i probably shouldn't have, im broke. i regret the hold this series has on me but i want to have fun
Anonymous No.58453842 [Report] >>58453855
>>58453808
Mega Gren's water shuriken behaves differently too, instead of being 5 projectiles it just tosses the big-ass shuriken and frontloads all the damage.
Anonymous No.58453843 [Report]
>>58453798
Thanks, was wondering if there might have been a different way but it didn’t seem like it. I still haven’t upgraded my plush either
Anonymous No.58453847 [Report] >>58453874
>>58453813
That actually seems like a fun build. Have you tried the online Battle Club? I’m curious how well Meganium could fare against multiple opponents.
Anonymous No.58453850 [Report]
>>58452161 (OP)
The TM for dragon claw is on the long building to the right of wild zone 3, you have to get on the roof and then do some tricky stuff with the rotom glide to get where it is
Anonymous No.58453852 [Report]
>>58453803
You do not have to worry about EVs/nature in your playthrough it's piss easy
>>58453804
DLC isn't out til next year
Anonymous No.58453855 [Report]
>>58453842
Mega Greninja is so strong you can just kite opponents and go pew pew, pew pew.
Anonymous No.58453861 [Report] >>58453891
>>58453803
Taurus and any other lame-o in Kanto was a Hyper Beam enthusiast. Dragonite's Mega is just taking it's crown as the king of Hyper Beam. Lance had it and eventually brought in TWO dragonite's for TWO hyper beams
Anonymous No.58453864 [Report]
>>58453804
the current DLC activator is some some clothes so far. I don't think trades work yet.
Anonymous No.58453874 [Report]
>>58453847
Not yet, I actually need to get into that because I haven't gotten Greninjite yet. It may be less effective there depending on the popular mons though, Grass does have quite a few weaknesses
Anonymous No.58453882 [Report] >>58453892 >>58453904
how did people fail to catch these gengars i got both with great balls single try
Anonymous No.58453891 [Report]
>>58453861
Talking about hyper beam. Man this is so stupid, when the rival throws out their pokemon the cooldown after attack (not the recharge) is negated so you can one shot and then oneshot again. My Pyroar is spamming Hyper Beams just fine, make it a plus move and add in the normal boost item for some extra buff in damage.
Anonymous No.58453892 [Report]
>>58453882
It’s called luck
Anonymous No.58453901 [Report] >>58454074
>>58453665
>>58453789
This is just my method. If youre just leveling a shitmon to get its evos or doing a quest like showing an npc a mega camerupt or medicham, just do night battle and put the fucker in your party.

If its something you kind of care about using, my method is to do attack EVs and levels at the same time. I'm still not finished with the game. Rank F currently. There is a Wild Zone that had pinsir, heracross, weepingbell (day), and Scyther and Phantump (night). These all give ATTACK Evs, and the only other pokemon in this small zone is Vivillon (day) just run on the left side with the ATTACK mon, they spawn quick, there are a bunch of them, and theyre all mid to high 30s so decent exp for little mon while also getting a bunch of atk EVs.

Havent found a good zone like this for Sp attack or speed yet.
Anonymous No.58453904 [Report]
>>58453882
>medicham
i can’t wait to get close combat on mine because power up punch is so fucking bad even the mega can’t save it
Anonymous No.58453922 [Report]
Found Alpha Dedene randomly on a rooftop fine this will be eas-HYPERBEAM
he's chasing me down with Hyper beam please stop
Anonymous No.58453938 [Report]
>>58453820
I hope they consider expanding upon the combat in future games. The foundation to me is really good and there's a lot of open design space to expand it further in future iterations. I think core issues that need to be addressed is just the responsiveness of giving out commands, the pacing of general battles (and for the love of god give the option to give attack commands without the lock-on active). While quick and easy wild mon battles is fine, I think battles vs trainers need to fleshed out to better differentiate them from wild mon battles. Trainer battles feel too quick and there's not much really about them that make them stand out compared to wild mon battles. I think it would also help a lot if you had commands outside of just pressing moves to do things like commanding your pokemon to come to you or to travel to a point you designate. Adding the layer of more agency over what the trainer can do beyond just giving attack commands I believe would help flesh out the form of player fantasy they seem to be wanting to go for with the new combat. I think adding those layers and taking on the challenge of contextualizing how abilities work within the new combat system would help a lot.
Anonymous No.58453941 [Report]
I wanted to use Spicy so bad but I really don't want to lug around something with Slowpoke stats for hours just to be able to use GSlowbro in-game.
On the plus side I found a Shiny Litleo just walking around.
Anonymous No.58453943 [Report]
Can you catch Mewtwo and Diance?
Anonymous No.58453955 [Report] >>58453971
How does catching work in this game and why was False Swipe removed?
Anonymous No.58453960 [Report]
Anonymous No.58453968 [Report] >>58454375
I reached online rank K in like 15 minutes, that was easier than I thought. Are there bots in these matches?
Anonymous No.58453971 [Report] >>58454007
>>58453955
Catching works like it always does except after enough failed catch attempts the mon gets angry and you need to either wait for it to calm down or KO it to get another chance. When you KO the mon you have like 5 seconds of it being dazed to toss a ball to get another attempt at catching before it runs away. Getting the chance to catch upon KO is probably why False Swipe was removed for this game.
Anonymous No.58453972 [Report] >>58453994
Charizard X or Y...?
I can't decide, they both look cool (and I know nothing about their strengths vs weaknesses)
Anonymous No.58453980 [Report] >>58454002
>>58453826
Drampa is in one of the last wild zones.
Trainer battles keep being ultra easy but there are mega fights and the three star restaurant which are a different story. Also some side quests that require you to use a specific pokemon. I've just started the postgame.
Anonymous No.58453982 [Report] >>58454043 >>58454350
>>58453794
I still think you should’ve directly controlled the Pokemon. I feel like special attackers play to the advantages of the new system way more than physical attackers do and it wouldn’t be that way if you could just control the mon itself. When I use physical attackers I’m basically just playing a gimped version of the mainline games now.
Anonymous No.58453985 [Report] >>58453998
do you have any non-megas on your team?
Anonymous No.58453994 [Report] >>58454015
>>58453972
Y is generally superior because it focuses on what he is good at. X is "le why isn't he a dragon????" meme but just put in the game
Anonymous No.58453998 [Report] >>58454020 >>58454022
>>58453985
shiny Pangoro
Anonymous No.58454002 [Report]
>>58453980
Alright I’ll just go in the WiFi general and trade one of my shinies or something for a Drampa. I wanna use that old man and I’m tired of them making it late game all the time when it’s not even overpowered or anything, just a chill old guy.
Anonymous No.58454004 [Report]
>>58453794
I think it would be really cool if you could press a dodge button for your pokemon, i like this iteration of combat. it's neat. if it was refined just a bit more it could be really fantastic
Anonymous No.58454007 [Report] >>58454057
>>58453971
Do status conditions still increase the catch rate or nah?
Anonymous No.58454014 [Report]
damn lol i had no idea that the guy is lysandre
Anonymous No.58454015 [Report]
>>58453994
I like X more because the dex descriptions for the line always mentioned how its flames become blue and white when it gets serious and that’s actually visualized in the X form.
Anonymous No.58454020 [Report]
>>58453998
excellent choice
Anonymous No.58454022 [Report]
>>58453998
i only have 1 mega i prefer second evos
Anonymous No.58454023 [Report] >>58454037 >>58454039
So the most important part of the combat is how long a move's animation takes to execute, not recharge duration or whatever. Also moves like phantom force or fly are now seemingly extremely good as you can't protect against them, am I getting this right?
Anonymous No.58454037 [Report] >>58454059
>>58454023
Yeah those moves are great. U-Turn is also good again, especially on special attackers which sounds weird but it puts your mon next to your trainer so you can u-turn -> ranged move for a great combo.
Also double team MIGHT work on those moves, but it’s so trash otherwise. It takes forever to come out, even if you pre fire it before other moves.
Anonymous No.58454039 [Report] >>58454086
>>58454023
>as you can't protect against them,
can you switch out pokemon, can probably still dodge if you learn the timings too
Anonymous No.58454043 [Report] >>58454206
>>58453982
I feel the opposite, I feel like physical mons with the right move pool can just rush down other mons for quick KOs while special attacks can just feel too slow at times while the faster moves are much weaker compared to the fast physical moves. Like I've been using a Dragonite that is trained to be specially offensive with the intent to eventually use the mega and even with special EVs right now I'm just using physical moves and like nothing can really beat the combo of extreme speed, dragon rush, fly, and thunder punch for coverage with the amount of invuln frames the attacks give. I think it comes down not just on the move potency but the way they behave as well, getting kitted is less of an issue when you have a move specifically for gap closing.

It's interesting how people can land on different sides of the discussion but I think just having the option to at least command where you want your mon to be outside of just from attack commands would just help both sides feel better to use.
Anonymous No.58454057 [Report]
>>58454007
I believe they do but honestly I haven't bothered with status on a mon I want to catch in so long I can't give that answer with absolutely certainty because I don't remember.
Anonymous No.58454059 [Report]
>>58454037
might be good to do uturn + 1 ranged move and quick attack + 1 close move youd be moving back and forth constantly at high speeds
Anonymous No.58454073 [Report]
>>58453794
>Should it become the main one
With a few refinements I wouldn't mind it as long as they preserve the OG style in Champions for multiplayer.
Anonymous No.58454074 [Report]
>>58453901
Thanks anon, honestly surprised they have evs in this game, I guess I’ll have to get on that for online later.
Anonymous No.58454086 [Report] >>58454103
>>58454039
Perfectly timing a switch to avoid an incoming attack feels so good when actually executed well. If this combat system is explored again in another game I honestly would be fine with putting switching on a cooldown like with items and letting AI trainers switch as well. The limited switching they have in the PvP is fine tho.
Anonymous No.58454091 [Report] >>58454107 >>58454111 >>58454149 >>58454200
So is there any point in using anything outside of alpha pokemon? Their stats always seem to dwarf non alphas. I know what IVs are but EVERY Alpha I catch is so much stronger.
Anonymous No.58454103 [Report]
>>58454086
>If this combat system is explored again in another game
im hoping they have it in gen 10 its the best change theyd made imo, dont see why they couldnt add it and also have an option or the traditional battle style, well the switch does have a cool down you cant switch or attack after your new pokemon comes out for a few seconds
Anonymous No.58454107 [Report] >>58454165
>>58454091
Alphas will have better IVs than the regular pokemon, yeah
Anonymous No.58454111 [Report] >>58454153
>>58454091
you dont need to minmax stats its not a hard game just use things you like lol
Anonymous No.58454122 [Report] >>58454158 >>58454195
Do you like how ZA clearly reinforces the whole pokemon can shrink fact? All wild mons shrink to get away if you fail to catch them after you KO them, and trainer mons also shrink when you KO them
Anonymous No.58454149 [Report] >>58454165
>>58454091
Non alphas can be trained to have the same stars as alphas, and have a smaller hotbox for avoiding ranged attacks.
Anonymous No.58454150 [Report]
Why are all the NPCs default-posing? Is this a bug?
Anonymous No.58454153 [Report] >>58454164
>>58454111
Uhh. I want to beat people online though.
Anonymous No.58454158 [Report] >>58454189
kek double battling one guy with 1 pokemon is kinda cringe why did they do that he had 4 mates behind him they shoulda done 2 v 5
>>58454122
oh i didnt even notice this will keep an eye out
Anonymous No.58454164 [Report]
>>58454153
oh thought your talking about for single player lol
Anonymous No.58454165 [Report] >>58454219 >>58454256
>>58454149
>>58454107
Oh so Alphas is just max size + a better chance for high IVs? Does size change the size of the AOE size? Or does just your hitbox change?
Anonymous No.58454166 [Report]
>>58452299
Yeah that was retarded, I won and she was like "huh actually I'm still going because you're better down here (wink wink) for reasons", it was really convoluted
Anonymous No.58454188 [Report]
>>58452285
It's just the usual japanese company developing things for japan and nobody else gets the ref
Anonymous No.58454189 [Report]
>>58454158
That moment made me consider what a 2v2 PvP mode could have looked like. Obviously traditional doubles doesn't work with the new combat but I think there's room to explore a team based PvP mode if more support moves could be added.
Anonymous No.58454195 [Report]
>>58454122
its just a game mechanic to show the pokemon is leaving battle. Do you want Game Freak to just show the 10 wild pokemon you knocked out laying on the ground with swirly eyes? The game cant even handle 10 npcs on screen without pop in. Or do you think it also means a 16? ish teenager can take a hyper beam from a mega dedenne and not die on the spot? It's just game mechanics bro.
Anonymous No.58454200 [Report]
>>58454091
Alphas are useful early and shit later due to size.
Anonymous No.58454201 [Report] >>58454234 >>58454372
>get call that the Yakuza want their money back
>”Oh shit actual villains,”
>on cue I start seeing clips of them being lovable goofs online
Now this is just getting ridiculous lmao
Anonymous No.58454206 [Report] >>58454297
>>58454043
Well with that I feel like it’s because Dragonite, alongside those moves which gives him iframes, is pretty tanky in base and especially so in mega. The glass cannon physical attackers really don’t have much going for them in comparison, currently my physical attackers Emboar and Mawile are very powerful but Medicham, even in its mega, I gotta play super safe or it’ll get fucked over. Meanwhile with Greninja and Raichu I can just run all over the place, shooting from afar. I’m still having some success with Medicham, it’s not a hard game and even online I can get some kills with it, but really I could probably just swap it out for Gallade and be way better off because Gallade is better than Medicham.
Anonymous No.58454213 [Report]
>All these post game quests that are all training up one specific Pokémon to a high level
Fuck that.
Anonymous No.58454215 [Report]
I’ve just been sitting around all weekend trying to decide which starter to choose…
Anonymous No.58454219 [Report]
>>58454165
I don't think they even have good IVs. Is the less opaque graph on the second stats page the IVs? Mine don't show anything special. They just start with maxed HP EVs, which is arguably a bad thing. They also start with a move they can't learn otherwise, I've got a Gyarados with Hydro Pump it tells me it can't learn again if I delete it
Anonymous No.58454234 [Report]
>>58454201
still their missions have been the best from the main story up to this point would have loved it if thats all this game was
Anonymous No.58454236 [Report] >>58454243
Reminder that Urbain is based and Taunie is cringe.
Anonymous No.58454243 [Report]
>>58454236
urbain doesn't exist in my reality
Anonymous No.58454256 [Report]
>>58454165
the attacks that are physical at least have a wider range. Gyarados Alpha with Waterfall is like a fucking train
Anonymous No.58454257 [Report] >>58454270
anyone seen an alpha litwick

im running around the sewers and found everything alpha but litwick
Anonymous No.58454260 [Report] >>58454293
just noticed the size section on summary

dont think anything can be xxs
Anonymous No.58454266 [Report]
>failed to catch both gengars on mission 20
c'est fini
Anonymous No.58454270 [Report] >>58454303 >>58454321
>>58454257
yes, I have caught it in the sewers, for me it spawns in the area where there are litwick and patrat. It has even spawn both at the same time.
Anonymous No.58454286 [Report]
>Actually lost to Lysandre
Excellent.
Anonymous No.58454287 [Report] >>58454368 >>58454414
a lot of the negative feedback this game received swayed me at first
actually playing it, it's fun. still not sold on some of the new megas, but others are great. combat is good.
i think modern pokemon could be improved, hire some new artists, really hone in on animation, reduce the sheer amount of cutscenes etc, but the outroar over it had me assuming this was the biggest shitheap of all time. it's not
Anonymous No.58454288 [Report] >>58454310 >>58454317 >>58454319 >>58454328
I saw that in order to get Fennekin you have to use water moves on obstacles. So I was thinking of picking Totodile even though I don’t like Totodile. Can you just use a Bincale or something instead?
Anonymous No.58454289 [Report]
is this the only pokemon game where i can have 5 empty slots and 1 ko pokemon while walking around?
Anonymous No.58454293 [Report] >>58454339
>>58454260
If it's the same odds as S/V then a xxs should be about 1/10 chances, and xxxs would be one i 256.
Anonymous No.58454297 [Report]
>>58454206
Yeah I think it's more a problem that fast and frail mons are harder to use compared to bulky mons. Within the context of real time combat, I feel like bulk is just so much stronger than fast but frail mons when there is no longer rules dictating that the fast guy will 100% assuredly attack first before facing retaliation. Frail mons are just harder to use without more systems to better appreciate their speed. I think it's important within the context of a pokemon game to still primarily control the trainer avatar commanding the pokemon (which is why I'm not keen on the idea of just giving player direct control over the pokemon) but I think with more level of control of where you command your pokemon to be could at least make a playstyle of using a fast mon and baiting and kiting out the dangerous attacks and then coming in to strike when they're on cooldown something that's easier and more viable to do.
Anonymous No.58454303 [Report] >>58454321 >>58454352
>>58454270
To expand on this: Noibat, Inkay, Gastly, Haunter, Litwick, Patrat, Klefki, Skrelp and Dragalge have all spawn as Alpha in the sewers. Goomy might spawn too but didn't want to bother with it yet.
Anonymous No.58454310 [Report] >>58454345
>>58454288
All you need is water moves, doesn't matter
Anonymous No.58454317 [Report] >>58454345 >>58454367
>>58454288
You can use any pokemon with water moves, psychic works too, but it's not like the pokemon in question has to be a fixture of your team anyways, it's a non-issue.
Anonymous No.58454319 [Report] >>58454328 >>58454345
>>58454288
the only time ive used a water pokemon is to break those sludge things only need to do it like twice just swap them out when youre there not like you gotta run back to the pc lol
Anonymous No.58454321 [Report]
>>58454303
>>58454270
ok thank you
guess im stuck down here for a while still
Anonymous No.58454322 [Report] >>58454329 >>58454330 >>58454335 >>58454361 >>58454367 >>58454627
Switch 1 performance okay to you guys? I'm not spending 400 on a new console
Anonymous No.58454327 [Report]
pkhex update when
Anonymous No.58454328 [Report] >>58454336 >>58454367
>>58454319
>>58454288
>can use water moves on sludges

this is news to me, ive been using Confusion on it but found myself confused when Psybeam never worked
Anonymous No.58454329 [Report] >>58454341
>>58454322
It’s better than SwSh wild area and ScVi. Install onto an SD Card if you get it digitally cause the drives on the 2017 & 2018 switches are getting to that point.
Anonymous No.58454330 [Report] >>58454341
>>58454322
runs completely fine on switch 1
up to you to decide whether 55fps is worth 500 bucks
Anonymous No.58454332 [Report] >>58454344
I think im done with it. 30 hours played, did every side quest until I reached C-rank. I dont like the infinite loop of teleporting to battle zones and then back to rank tower. Caught the legendaries and most of the dex. The combat is too broken in both ways, and some pokemon are just useless. I hope they never do this again or go back to Arceus style. Mega Barbaracle is cool as fuck tho
Anonymous No.58454335 [Report] >>58454341
>>58454322
im on a switch lite, i have not had one game play performance issue like i did with SwSh / SV. its very smooth compared those
Anonymous No.58454336 [Report]
>>58454328
Same. I have an Espurr who only comes out to remove sludge. He’s my hero.
Anonymous No.58454339 [Report]
>>58454293
Never mind, just saw on Serebii that there are less categories now, XS is the smallest.
Anonymous No.58454341 [Report]
>>58454335
>>58454330
>>58454329
Good to hear, thanks anons
Anonymous No.58454344 [Report] >>58454349
>>58454332
Since you’re quitting can I have your shiny Drampa?
Anonymous No.58454345 [Report]
>>58454310
>>58454317
>>58454319
Okay, thanks.
Anonymous No.58454347 [Report]
People complaining about the new mega designs in particular baffle me. Mega designs have always been really hit or miss. There is not a single new mega design worse than mega Salamance
Anonymous No.58454349 [Report]
>>58454344
I used cheat codes to get it so its tainted
Anonymous No.58454350 [Report] >>58454376 >>58454447
>>58453982
>I still think you should’ve directly controlled the Pokemon
as if dodging isn't easy enough already...
Anonymous No.58454352 [Report]
>>58454303
I got an alpha goomy spawn in sewers while farming litwick.
Anonymous No.58454361 [Report] >>58454622
>>58454322
The Switch 2 is worth it regardless. I’m not sure why people are so stingy when the Switch is the worst console for Pokemon anyway.
Anonymous No.58454367 [Report]
>>58454317
>>58454328
wtf had no idea psychic moves worked i tried a tonne of move type on these only water worked weird
>>58454322
its fine i played on my switch1 from sunday until the game came out them moved over to switch 2 textures are a bit nicer and the game feels way nicer at 60fps but switch1 is perfectly playable
Anonymous No.58454368 [Report]
>>58454287
I feel like so much of it comes down to the visuals, and while I think ZA is the best looking switch era pokemon game out of game freak, that's more because the bar has been dragged that low, the games still fail to reach the level of visual polish other 1st party Nintendo games which where I feel like the criticism stems from. That being said, I think it's also important to consider that so much discourse is coming from screenshots from youtube videos and streams and people being too stupid to realize that crusty video compression is going to make a game look worse. I don't think the visuals are incredible, but I was surprised when the switch 2 version in-person looked noticeably better than footage I watched pre-release, at least on my 4K HDR TV. I wish people were at least tech literate enough to realize when they're watching a 720p youtube video they might as well be watching footage at a native 480p resolution after compression, this problem has only gotten worse the deeper we've gone into the bitrate hellscape that is video capture of modern video games since the era of UE4 particle effects.
Anonymous No.58454369 [Report] >>58454383 >>58454420
Trapinch is on area 14, but what conditions? because day or night and walking over the traps it isn't appearing.
Anonymous No.58454370 [Report]
Caught a shiny Machoke, now if only I could trust you people to help evolve it.
Anonymous No.58454372 [Report] >>58454393
>>58454201
it is pretty weird to have a group that's just doing a ton of community service, but also giving out exploitative loans with insane interest hidden deep in the fine print.
Anonymous No.58454375 [Report] >>58454422
>>58453968
How do you get your mons to pose with you for pictures? Mine only have like 1 short idle animation.
Anonymous No.58454376 [Report]
>>58454350
In online battles if everyone controlled their mons directly then it wouldn’t matter cause the entire system would change.
Anonymous No.58454383 [Report]
>>58454369
are you sure i have 100% in area 14 no trapinch though is this a post game thing?
Anonymous No.58454387 [Report] >>58454398 >>58454423 >>58454433 >>58454440 >>58454464
I'm doing a permadeath pseudo-nuzlocke and this is fucking with me so bad. Why is the x button menu so unresponsive in battles? I'm pressing x, expecting it now, getting nothing and mashing for 3 whole seconds to open my menu to heal. I know the satchel has a cooldown, but so does the x menu??
Anonymous No.58454393 [Report]
>>58454372
With how quick they were to forgive the interest it makes you wonder if it's just a scheme to rehabilitate people down on their luck through effectively forced community service.
Anonymous No.58454398 [Report] >>58454439
>>58454387
>healing with items in nuzlockes
I thought that was banned. Wait, are players in this thread healing mid-battle? I think I put a mental block on ever doing that in these games.
Anonymous No.58454401 [Report] >>58454575
i hope he wants to hire me for my womanly services
Anonymous No.58454414 [Report] >>58454471
>>58454287
It's literally better than the other switch games people are just getting tired of the low quality games overall.
What doesn't help is:
>People are more accustomed to shitty grain and repeating textured than flat cube buildings in terms of graphical compromises
>People have been conditioned the entire last decade to judge a game entirely off of how big it's empty green fields are and nothing else
>People still in denial that pokemon is a jrpg.
>People who think it's a switch 2 game.
And probably some palworld and digimon discourse.

Reality is less the artists themselves (design wise, worse artists would probably create more appealing designs, a real artist is the exact kind of person who will create the exaggerated lopsided designs we see in modern Pokemon) and moreso budget, engine, and hardware issues.
These games are budgeted to break even at like 300k copies sold, the flat buildings are clearly some compromise for performance since the beta had modelled buildings and interiors/the sewers look great.
Anonymous No.58454415 [Report]
can you get hisuian avalugg in the game without trading or transferring?
Anonymous No.58454420 [Report]
>>58454369
Holy shit it was Aron's Shadow. I swear I had already catched one ages ago. I'm fucking blind lol
Anonymous No.58454422 [Report]
>>58454375
L/R (or LR/ZR?) in camera mode allow you toggle between three different settings that effect the expressions of the people and Pokemon around you
The settings are something like happy, sad/angry, and sleep I think
I could just check to verify but my Switch is charging...
Anonymous No.58454423 [Report]
>>58454387
>Nuzlocking this game
I wish you luck with the final gauntlet.
Anonymous No.58454433 [Report] >>58454583 >>58454595 >>58454686
Can someone whose played more recent games explain my pic? Is the greygreen the IVs and the light green EVs? This is an alpha meowstic I just caught, do all Alphas have max HP EVs? Is the greygreen in the back IVs? Just trying to figure out how to read this stat screen. Thanks.

>>58454387
>but so does the x menu??
yes
Anonymous No.58454439 [Report]
>>58454398
Pseudo nuzlocke. It's my first playthrough of the game, and Legends can absolutely rape your health bars way faster than mainline turn based. This way my guys only die if I truly fuck up and it's totally deserved.
Anonymous No.58454440 [Report]
>>58454387
Try the full course meal side-quests and report back
Anonymous No.58454442 [Report] >>58454448 >>58454456
hey guys, does anyone know if its possible to change the pokeball of a pokemon once its already captured?

if so, how?

thanks!!
Anonymous No.58454447 [Report] >>58454535
>>58454350
People want every single game to turn into souls rollslop and it's utterly exhausting to me.
People can't understand the value in unavoidable damage, without it any game will inevitably drift towards twink ninja dodge every attack never get hit only damage matters.
Anonymous No.58454448 [Report] >>58454456
>>58454442
pkhex when it updates
Anonymous No.58454456 [Report]
>>58454448
>>58454442
sucks you cant they should let you release your pokemon infront of you and recatch it
Anonymous No.58454459 [Report] >>58454490 >>58454500
Bros... is Malamar actually just shit in this game? It feels like the weakest member of my team and barely pulls its weight before getting knocked out.
Anonymous No.58454464 [Report]
>>58454387
you must complete all available side quests before progression. when all side quests are complete, continue the story. when new side quests pop, you make them a priority.

enjoy your 3 star fine dying
Anonymous No.58454471 [Report] >>58454529
>>58454414
I wonder how much of it also comes down to needing to resort to simplified geometry in order to keep mons from getting stuck all the time on weird objects with the real time combat. Even within the interiors like the sewers the actual level design itself is very flat and basic, likely to similarly facility smoother real time battles. Improving the pokemon's AI seems to be a focus for Legends 3 with the AI x Physics mission statement from the teraleaks, so maybe if they can further improve the AI more complex environments came come with it.
Anonymous No.58454474 [Report]
kek was just wondering who this ugly pokemon is in my party but my medicham is megad
Anonymous No.58454490 [Report]
>>58454459
aegislash is much worse
Anonymous No.58454495 [Report]
Is the 119th mission with Jacinthe the last mission for now?
Anonymous No.58454500 [Report]
>>58454459
>Special Attacker
Lol
Lmao even
Anonymous No.58454523 [Report]
The DLC will require us to finish the main story to do, but what do you think that entails? Just roll credits? Win the Infinite Z-A Royale 15 times and get Floette? Catch Zygarde at the end of the post-game storyline? All of that?
Anonymous No.58454529 [Report]
>>58454471
That's still mostly cpu limitations for pathfinding. Switch 2s cpu is it's bottleneck but still miles better than switch 1, of course simplified collision geometry is the norm even if you have more detailed buildings, no reason not to its not like you need pokemon colliding with window trim. Not that we'll need to worry about that since by the sounds of things legends 3 is going to be empty pre-medieval fields.

Really though, if they keep the current battle system I think the main thing they need to do is:
>More consistent rules on where pokemon will stand after issuing orders, perhaps even some amount of player choice on the matter like it's based on what direction the stick is pointing when the command is sent
>Something to make each attack a bit more impactful / make the game a bit less spammy and button mashy
I almost feel like they need to half the damage everything takes too.
Anonymous No.58454535 [Report]
>>58454447
Souls is more fun than this game doebeit. Anyway you could remove the dodge button from controlling the mon and just have evasion be based on the speed stat.
Anonymous No.58454544 [Report]
>Rank C in story
>nighttime
>YOU WERE SPOTTED
>mega evolves their lopbunny
Anonymous No.58454552 [Report] >>58454560
What a cool looking shiny. It's just a shame it's such a weak pokemon.
Anonymous No.58454560 [Report] >>58454617
>>58454552
Take that back, put the walls + veil on it and then swap it out. Don't trash talk about my bro ever again
Anonymous No.58454564 [Report] >>58454572 >>58454576
>B-but you must sneak to catch trainers and Pokemon off guards
>Barely any places to hide so you always get spotted
What were they thinking?
Anonymous No.58454572 [Report]
>>58454564
someone here spoke about smokescreen and i thought it might work in Royales.
Anonymous No.58454575 [Report]
>>58454401
You literally look like Malva's child if she had one Kek
Anonymous No.58454576 [Report]
>>58454564
Let them turn around.
Anonymous No.58454582 [Report]
I have encounted 3 shinies without the charm.
Anonymous No.58454583 [Report] >>58454686
>>58454433
i showed you my pokewaifu, please respond!
Anonymous No.58454587 [Report] >>58454592 >>58454602
>41,000 points for challenge ticket
>get to 40,950
>dawn is approaching!
This shit is annoying, day/night should be longer.
Anonymous No.58454592 [Report] >>58454614
>>58454587
who cares just sit on bench and go to night again
Anonymous No.58454595 [Report] >>58454608
>>58453794
I actually really like the idea. They translated a surprising amount of turn based mechanics to DOT (I was surprised to see Perish Song) and I think it does a good job of retaining a lot of familiarity with existing Pokemon mechanics while effectively not being turn based. It goes a long way to really marry the world itself and the way you battle, without entirely dropping the series core mechanics, and that impressed me.

I've not done online, which may colour my opinion, but as of right now I would honestly be interested in them exploring this more and building on it, which is more than I expected to be saying. If I had to specify, it would be nice if move details gave more info on how the move works in terms of area (range length, homing or not, AOE size etc.)

>>58454433
The one that is spiking on HP is your EVs. The one that is more balanced is just a visual representation of your stat total (the values on the outside).
Anonymous No.58454602 [Report]
>>58454587
I somehow did Canari’s 0-32,000 and her entire quiz show and promotion match in one night.
Anonymous No.58454608 [Report] >>58454843 >>58455130
>>58454595
>The one that is more balanced is just a visual representation of your stat total
Oh. fuck okay. I assume theres no way to check IVs then? Mints to change nature stats, visual EV representation and EV items. But no breeding or IV info? Damn. I found a lady to tell me about my friendship level, but it seems kinda pointless since drinking 4-5 coffees seems to max friendship.
Anonymous No.58454614 [Report]
>>58454592
No shit, but I'm not gonna defend that I gotta see that scene, find a bench, see the scene again, then fly to a new battle zone just to get my points.
Anonymous No.58454617 [Report]
>>58454560
>veil
What.
Anonymous No.58454622 [Report]
>>58454361
it's just too much to spend frivolously right now in my case, i'll probably wait until next year to get one
Anonymous No.58454627 [Report]
>>58454322
Switch performance is perfect on my OLED
Anonymous No.58454640 [Report] >>58454651 >>58454658
So how many pokemon are there in total? I swear i keep seeing the same 3 shitmons in every street corners
Anonymous No.58454644 [Report]
>steel and ground are two of the best types in the normal format
>steel and ground are the best type in this new format
all hail the kings
Anonymous No.58454651 [Report]
>>58454640
230
Anonymous No.58454658 [Report]
>>58454640
Like 230. You need to unlock more Wild Areas and explore rooftops to get the good shit.
Anonymous No.58454668 [Report] >>58454689
Finished Canari’s arc, that was so cringe
Anonymous No.58454669 [Report] >>58454691 >>58454776
Who works better on a team with Delphox, Meganium or Feraligatr?
Anonymous No.58454686 [Report]
>>58454433
>>58454583
I think the light green pointing towards HP is EVs and the darker yellow-ish(?) blob is base stats. You apparently have to unlock IV judging but I'm not sure how.
Anonymous No.58454689 [Report]
>>58454668
it's not that big of a deal
Anonymous No.58454691 [Report] >>58454705
>>58454669
get a ground-type, Excadrill is a great choice
Anonymous No.58454705 [Report] >>58454712
>>58454691
Alright. Bench the starter?
Anonymous No.58454712 [Report] >>58454736
>>58454705
Get meganium so it can just setup screens.
Anonymous No.58454715 [Report]
>both electric specialists of gen 9 are fucking streamer trash
Anonymous No.58454734 [Report]
Are Xerneas and Yvetal worth using? Mainly concerned for DLC and it seems like anything that can't mega evolve is useless against Rogue's.
Anonymous No.58454736 [Report]
>>58454712
Are there better screen users in this game though?
Anonymous No.58454737 [Report] >>58454744
How do I get mons to respawn? Just wait at a bench?
Anonymous No.58454738 [Report]
what's the fastest way to reroll spawns in a wild area?
Anonymous No.58454744 [Report] >>58454766
>>58454737
quicktravel or bench. It's the same.
Anonymous No.58454766 [Report] >>58454811
>>58454744
does this also reroll the alpha in the zone?
Anonymous No.58454768 [Report] >>58454783 >>58454804 >>58454898
bitch what did you just call me???
Anonymous No.58454776 [Report]
>>58454669
Oddly, I found that the first two work quite nice even on their own. Grass+Fairy and Fire+Psychic, so maybe get an Electric type.
If you decide to ditch one or both of them, get a Pidgeot, a Pyroar and a Diggersby. They have the necessary move type coverage.
Anonymous No.58454780 [Report] >>58454788 >>58454793
are some pokemon just blocked from spawning as alphas until some arbitrary story progress is met? i just got to zone 19 and really want an alpha kangashkan, but i've reset the zone dozens of times and haven't seen any alphas besides the scripted furfrou.
Anonymous No.58454783 [Report]
>>58454768
She's a gamer? 100% chance it was a slur
Anonymous No.58454788 [Report] >>58454797
>>58454780
You need to complete the zone dex
Anonymous No.58454793 [Report]
>>58454780
100% the wild zone (catch everything once) and then everything there can be alpha. Some will have static alphas like the litleo and fletchinder in that one zone (3? I think) or Houndoom in 6
Anonymous No.58454797 [Report]
>>58454788
i have the zone dex done already, but i'll try restarting my game in case it bugged somehow.
Anonymous No.58454804 [Report] >>58454812
>>58454768
You refight her?
Anonymous No.58454811 [Report]
>>58454766
yes ofc. If it doesn't spawn you just do it again. It will also reroll the random alpha any pokemon can take inside.
Anonymous No.58454812 [Report] >>58454835
>>58454804
oh, spoilers I guess
Anonymous No.58454827 [Report]
Curious to know if moves like Heavy Slam or Heat Crash do more damage coming from Alpha Pokemon. Logically they should, but they might have the same weight as their regular counterparts.
Anonymous No.58454834 [Report]
>got my first story blackout from Mega Dragonite doing Hyper Beam into landing its fat ass on my head
I shoved three attacks up its ass (one of which was an Ice move) while charging and it STILL pulled the move off, what the fuck? I bat it second try but even then I never got it to cancel Hyper Beam, I just dodged the Dragon Rush it did right after
Anonymous No.58454835 [Report]
>>58454812
Nah I don’t mind. I need to get revenge cause she’s the only fight where I used my entire party on and that kinda makes me autistically upset since I had more than her. None of them even got knocked out.
Anonymous No.58454841 [Report]
100 MORE FIGHTS
Anonymous No.58454843 [Report] >>58455130
>>58454608
There is usually an alternate way to check IVs, that changes by game. Your best bet is to check Serebii to find out what it is. In some games it needs to be unlocked and it's common the unlock is tied to post-game.

Also you may have obtained bottle caps. Those can be used to increase a Pokemons IVs to the max.
Anonymous No.58454848 [Report]
no luck with the kangaskhan yet, but after restarting my game and resetting a few times i did see an alpha drampa spawn.
if anyone else has issues getting alphas to spawn even with the zone dex complete, try restarting.
Anonymous No.58454854 [Report]
Are there any guaranteed Alpha Riolu/Lucario spawns or just the luck of the roll?
Anonymous No.58454856 [Report] >>58454877 >>58454892
Where's the shop with the mints? I walked by it once and now I can't find it
Anonymous No.58454873 [Report]
How do I get onto the rooftop area of the Zone 15? The elevator is busted.
Anonymous No.58454874 [Report] >>58454966
Canari why are you smiling at me like that..
Anonymous No.58454877 [Report] >>58454896
>>58454856
they are flower stalls around the city they are everywhere but speed mints are separated from the regular stat mints for some reason.
Anonymous No.58454892 [Report] >>58454896
>>58454856
heres a map with all the stalls.
Anonymous No.58454896 [Report]
>>58454877
>>58454892
Thank you. I didn't notice they were stalls like that, probably why I was running right past them
Anonymous No.58454898 [Report]
damn so much money lol
>>58454768
definitely called you a nigger
Anonymous No.58454918 [Report] >>58454941 >>58454953
Meganium is so unfun. You don’t get Light Screen until level 50.
Anonymous No.58454926 [Report] >>58454964 >>58454980 >>58455011 >>58455052 >>58455083
Im not one to bitch about shiny rates usually but as a casual player just exploring the city Ive gotten
>two shiny fletchlings
>two shiny patrats
>one shiny pidgey

It just seems a bit much
Anonymous No.58454938 [Report]
does any NPC ever use a full team of 6?
Anonymous No.58454941 [Report] >>58454953
>>58454918
You get a Light Screen TM less than halfway through the game, though I don't remember from where. Mine's been rocking double Screens since, like, mid 30s early 40s
Anonymous No.58454944 [Report] >>58454961
this nigger wiped me his gyarados jsut dodges everything first battle i lost. also really gay how when you die you spawn right infront of him instead of at the pokecenter you might aswell just not get knocked out at all if you start there lol
Anonymous No.58454953 [Report]
>>58454941
>>58454918
Wait, nevermind, it's the Level 11 Research Reward. You should have it by the time your team's cracking the late 20s honestly
Anonymous No.58454955 [Report] >>58455001
So are physical attackers just generally better than special attackers in this game?
Anonymous No.58454961 [Report] >>58454995
>>58454944
I also got destroyed by his Gyarados because I only brought ground and psychic types, how the fuck was I supposed to know a poison-specialist would have a fucking Gyarados?
Anonymous No.58454964 [Report]
>>58454926
Yeah
Anonymous No.58454966 [Report]
>>58454874
>cvck posting
>female character
tell me how i know you're trans
Anonymous No.58454980 [Report]
>>58454926
Shiny rate is normal, if you've ever played Pixelmon, PLA, or SV, you'd know shinies are more common with overworld spawns since you don't have to enter into a battle with a pokemon to have an encounter, meaning you're passively having dozens of encounters every minute as you roam the world.
Only difference here is they don't respawn once spawned.
Anonymous No.58454995 [Report]
>>58454961
i had nothing too gave my medicham thunderpunch after
Anonymous No.58455001 [Report]
>>58454955
It depends I think my Pyroar is amazing because it run fast and attacks ranged
Anonymous No.58455004 [Report]
I just became Rank B and unlocked Wild Zones 18 and 19, am I close to the end of the game?
Anonymous No.58455011 [Report] >>58455025
>>58454926
Meanwhile I just reached the credits and have gotten 0 shinies.
Anonymous No.58455025 [Report] >>58455038
>>58455011
this happened because you skipped the mandatory shiny encounter at the very start of the game.
Anonymous No.58455038 [Report]
>>58455025
I wasn't counting the Mareep because it was guaranteed I just forgot honestly
Anonymous No.58455052 [Report]
>>58454926
i'm at rank B and only found 2 shinies (one was a pidgey who i scared before i even noticed it)
Anonymous No.58455083 [Report] >>58455093 >>58455125
kek this is the msot disappointing part of the whole game

>>58454926
fucking how i have 40 hours and havent seen a single shiny other than the side mission mareep ive spent most my time on roofs and have been to wild areas a fair bit
Anonymous No.58455088 [Report] >>58455146
So can pokemon found outside wild zones spawn as Alphas too? I found a larvitar on a roof outside a zone and I want to try to get an alpha version to spawn.
Anonymous No.58455093 [Report] >>58455098 >>58455141
>>58455083
no, the most disappointing part is skipping from rank V to F
Anonymous No.58455098 [Report] >>58455109
>>58455093
yeah that too it actually made me mad lol
Anonymous No.58455109 [Report] >>58455132
>>58455098
Did you really want to do 26 minimum mandatory battle zones
Anonymous No.58455125 [Report]
>>58455083
how can you be retarded enough to think its possible to get disappointed over it
Anonymous No.58455130 [Report]
>>58454608
>>58454843

https://veekun.com/dex/gadgets/stat_calculator still works
alphas seem to have maxed HP EV's btw so the calc will be off for that.
Anonymous No.58455132 [Report] >>58455154 >>58455339
>>58455109
yes i like pokemon
Anonymous No.58455141 [Report]
>>58455093
I knew they weren't going to make you do one for every letter, but I didn't expect a huge jump like that
Anonymous No.58455146 [Report]
>>58455088
yes, they can. Just caught a rooftop Alpha dratini
Anonymous No.58455151 [Report] >>58455169
I've finished the main story.
At this point, I usually like creating my perfect Pokémon.
Is it easy to create competitive Pokémon in ZA? I've already found some mints, but no caps.
Anonymous No.58455154 [Report] >>58455208
>>58455132
Apparently not if you think that pacing would go over well you'd be crying about how padded and repetitive the game is
Anonymous No.58455169 [Report]
>>58455151
no cap? fr fr?
Anonymous No.58455193 [Report]
Just caught Zygarde. My team had a massive weakness to his typing so I did competitive autism on Xerneas who soloed him until he got to half health on 100%. Now for 11 more Infinite Royals and I'm done with the game until the DLC hits.
Anonymous No.58455208 [Report] >>58455228 >>58455257
who am i missing here ive wiped this area multiple times in day and night and not had them spawn

>>58455154
i dont mind pacing they could easily space the side and main mission out more between the other levels
Anonymous No.58455228 [Report] >>58455242
>>58455208
florges (very rare, day) and starmie (very rare, night)
i had a hard time getting starmie to spawn so i just evolved a staryu
Anonymous No.58455242 [Report]
>>58455228
okay thanks might just evolve both lol
Anonymous No.58455257 [Report] >>58455320
>>58455208
I've seen people say they already find the battle zones tedious after the first couple because they don't like the stealth aspect to it. I think they did just the right amount without it getting too much for some people.
Anonymous No.58455261 [Report]
I just unlocked wild zones 11 and 13 and they are kicking my ass, wow
Anonymous No.58455320 [Report] >>58455344 >>58455412
>>58455257
they're tedious because they're essentially zero challenge since the NPCs are so underleveled and they way overstay their welcome. if they took half as long but the trainers were on-par with the storyline trainers it would be way better.
Anonymous No.58455339 [Report] >>58455386 >>58455393 >>58455479
>>58455132
Why does no one like Gwynn? She's one of the best.
Anonymous No.58455344 [Report] >>58455355
>>58455320
>they're essentially zero challenge
yeah it's pokemon
Anonymous No.58455355 [Report] >>58455435
>>58455344
no shit retard
that's why making you fight 15 trainers back to back when you just one shot their mons and have to sit there through the tedious animations and tedious stealth segments is, you guessed it, tedious
Anonymous No.58455385 [Report]
where do you get the power lens
it's been ages since i got a power item from a mission
Anonymous No.58455386 [Report] >>58455418
>>58455339
shes my favourite
Anonymous No.58455393 [Report] >>58455514
>>58455339
dumb hat
Anonymous No.58455412 [Report]
>>58455320
They have higher ranked trainers before you hit top rank. I feel like they should spawn more if you’re on par with the level cap of whatever point in the story you’re at.
Anonymous No.58455414 [Report] >>58455420
WHY ARE YOU MALE?
Anonymous No.58455416 [Report]
how many side missions are there and is there any reward for doing all of them
Anonymous No.58455418 [Report]
>>58455386
she's your personal stalker, nothing to hate
Anonymous No.58455420 [Report]
>>58455414
he's chilling leave him alone
Anonymous No.58455435 [Report] >>58455493
>>58455355
>you just one shot their mons
yeah it's pokemon
Anonymous No.58455469 [Report]
Anonymous No.58455479 [Report]
>>58455339
I find her design a little boring
Anonymous No.58455493 [Report] >>58455509
>>58455435
if you want to continue to be intentionally retarded and blindly defend what is easily the worst part of the game, go right ahead.
Anonymous No.58455495 [Report] >>58455601
How do you get XS Pokemon is it just luck
Anonymous No.58455509 [Report]
>>58455493
where did i defend anything
Anonymous No.58455514 [Report]
>>58455393
The hat is cute
Anonymous No.58455564 [Report] >>58455579
>grind for alpha drampa
>buy the mega stone for it
>use it in battle
>turns out alpha mega drampa is literally 100% fucking unusable
>it just shoots over the enemy pokemon's head and misses every single special attack since the retards at gamefreak did zero playtesting
wow
this really fucking sucks
i hate gamefreak so much it's unreal
thank god i pirated this game
Anonymous No.58455579 [Report] >>58455584 >>58455698 >>58455705 >>58455736
>>58455564
>it just shoots over the enemy pokemon's head
no fucking way can you record it
Anonymous No.58455584 [Report]
>>58455579
He won't
Anonymous No.58455601 [Report]
>>58455495
i think they're all XL now. i haven't seen anything else.
Anonymous No.58455636 [Report] >>58455681
>please bring a XL Pumpkaboo :)
>but not an Alpha >:(

absolute hell
Anonymous No.58455681 [Report] >>58455732
>>58455636
It's a jumbo Pumpkaboo, not an XL one. Check your Pokedex it has a different cry
Anonymous No.58455698 [Report]
>>58455579
someone claimed the same about Alpha Gyarados and turned out to be bullshit

I think the implication of that Shuppet quest is that his wife was planning to kill the policeman. Oh well...
Anonymous No.58455705 [Report]
>>58455579
not him but my alpha victreebel does something similar so I don't doubt it
Anonymous No.58455732 [Report]
>>58455681
based, i had a full box and one as you described made the call
Anonymous No.58455736 [Report] >>58455794 >>58455801
>>58455579
here's a clip
it happens with most things that use close-range moves, even reasonably large pokemon like gogoat
if they gap close during the attack animation it just whiffs over their heads
non-beam attacks like heat wave are fine and hyper voice's hitbox starts on the ground so it's not AS bad as i thought, but it's still fucking stupid
the attack also doesn't even pretend to be shot out of the mouth so i really don't get why it can't just go straight down
Anonymous No.58455794 [Report]
>>58455736
this shit makes fucking stunfisk the most op pokemon in the game

literally can not hit that fucker with a ranged attack ever
Anonymous No.58455801 [Report]
>>58455736
This happens with alpha scolioses too. You gotta back up some with the ranged moves. Really though it’s not too much of a problem compared to their large size just making them bigger targets which mostly matters for the gank zones.
Anonymous No.58455818 [Report] >>58455844
Where do I get a metal coat? I really want my mega scizor it’s the most reliable mon of all time and I barely ever get to use it.
Anonymous No.58455835 [Report] >>58455846 >>58455955
I'm doing the postgame, and there's a side quest where you have to give berries to a girl. She asks for Occa berries, but for some reason I haven't gotten a single one in the entire game, and the berry vendor doesn't sell them either. Wtf do I do?????
Anonymous No.58455844 [Report] >>58455867
>>58455818
funny you should ask, i literally just got one from mission 101
doesn't let me use it though so i assume you have to trade it which is a pain
i'd just wait and see if there's wild ones at some point honestly
Anonymous No.58455846 [Report] >>58455907
>>58455835
There's multiple vendors
Anonymous No.58455867 [Report] >>58455870 >>58455880
>>58455844
Mission 101??? How far into the game is that?
Anonymous No.58455870 [Report] >>58455896
>>58455867
the post game
Anonymous No.58455880 [Report] >>58455896
>>58455867
pretty far, i'm doing the storyline stuff for the promo match to rank A and it unlocked during that
no clue how much of the game is left but i assume not a lot
Anonymous No.58455896 [Report]
>>58455870
>>58455880
I guess I’ll just keep using Mawile then. She’s good but I also need her mega soon.
Anonymous No.58455907 [Report] >>58455927
>>58455846
None of them have it. I think they only sell the berries that you have already found
Anonymous No.58455927 [Report] >>58456067
>>58455907
Nope I got a bunch of berries from them that I have never picked up and I have picked up a lot. What about the berry tree outside the hotel? that one has to spawn all berries because before hitting the vendors I got rarer berries from it
Anonymous No.58455955 [Report] >>58456067
>>58455835
You can get new berries from sidequests, did you try that?
Anonymous No.58455967 [Report] >>58456006
new thread?
Anonymous No.58456006 [Report]
>>58455967
make it pleaseeeeee
Anonymous No.58456031 [Report]
well

>>58456026
>>58456026
>>58456026
Anonymous No.58456059 [Report] >>58456088
>>58452161 (OP)
How does NPC trainers in the Z-A Royale getting the first hit work?
Anonymous No.58456067 [Report]
>>58455927
It's weird, there is a video that shows that the vendor inside zone 8 sells occa berries but when I go there she doesn't sell them. I totally forgot about that tree outside the hotel
>>58455955
Already did all the other sidequests
Anonymous No.58456077 [Report]
>>58453808
this isnt specific to meganium thats just what plus solar beam does
Anonymous No.58456088 [Report]
>>58456059
you get stunned for a few seconds if they see you from behind,