Thread 58465038

In Pokemon Champions you can use Dynamax, Mega Evolution, Z-Moves and Terastallization. But you can only use 1 of the 4 and only once per match. Which of the 4 will everyone be using?

>>58465038 (OP)
Lol even the stadium looks gay as fuck compared to pokemon stadium 1 and 2

>>58465038 (OP)
Twinkle Tackle is all you need

>>58465038 (OP)
>crossworlds comes out
>everyone uses extreme gear because they finally give people what the want
>champions comes out
>everyone uses mega evolution because they finally gave people what they want
>sometimes z-conversion porygon-z
>sometimes eeveeium-z for the animation and baton pass
>dynagigatamax always loses
>tera sees contrarian usage
>mega starfish ruins early rank because reference
Yeah, I'm thinking National Dex for me.

If you want to be sweaty, there's basically no reason not to Dynamax. If I Dynamax, what's realistically going to stop me except another Dynamax?

>>58465038 (OP)
I'll use Mega even if it ends up not being optimal because it's my favorite. I'm a shitter anyway so even if I make a super meta team I'll still get my shit kicked in regardless.

>>58465160
This and it's not even close. You are doubling your hp, all your moves become z moves and they raise a corresponding stat

>>58465183
funny thing is doubling hp alone that can be used on any mon alone puts dynamax above the other three.
Max Moves are a bonus. Chances are they'll buff/nerf to keep balance.

What fucking reason is there to use Z-moves? Most of the time it was just to power-up a coverage move and Tera just does that better.
Even niche set-ups like Z-conversion are probably worse than Dynamax.

>>58465038 (OP)
They really need to cut Dynamax and leave just Gigantamax.
That would solve its brokenness since only a dozen Pokémon could use it (and no pseudo or legendaries/mythical besides Melmetal)

This game looks like pure shit and I know people say that for every poke game but this literally just looks like 3DS games did online with less pokemon than those games

>>58465065
>animations are the same bland shit we've seen for over a decade
>ugly stadiums
>ugly and clunky ui
>on mobile
How did things get worse than PBR?

>>58465238
It just looks like BDSP but the UI makes it even worse

>>58465160
Something bulky enough to stall out your dynamax for three turns and switch in a mega. A large hp pool is not enough to offset a properly set up sweeper and I'm sure nobody wants to see the return of Zacian.

>>58465038 (OP)
Gmax because it's retarded strong and removes scarflocke.
But more importantly, RIP Showdown.

>>58465038 (OP)
Is there even gonna be a Nat Dex? Doesn't seem like it.

>>58465101
>>mega starfish ruins early rank because reference
kek

>>58465038 (OP)
>also releasing on mobile
How pay to win is this going to be?

>>58465323
Yes

>>58465259
No need with huge power behemoth blade Smeargle

>>58465038 (OP)
good, otherwise Rayquaza will be as OP as he is in SuMo+Ultra.

>>58465293
I don't think so.
The wording on the website is vague, but it makes it sound like not every Pokemon is going to be usable at once, more like it'll go through different seasons like VGC.
Doesn't even seem like every gimmick will be available at launch, seems like it'll only have megas at first, though that could just be coy wording since it's the gimmick being marketed right now.

>>58465323
It's pay to win in the sense that if you don't play enough games to fill up your Home, you're going to be at a massive disadvantage in terms of roster.
Otherwise, they explicitly say the ingame currency can't be bought, so that's something.

>>58465293
....Yes and no; Yes as they future proofing this for new titles (like WiWa and others), but no as each season have a restriction of which pokemon can be used.

>>58465038 (OP)
chatgpt says these are the power rankings

1 Dynamax / Gigantamax

Power Ranking: Most powerful in raw battle strength

Pros:

HP doubling massive survivability

Max Moves / G-Max Moves high damage + secondary effects (weather, terrain, buffs/debuffs)

Universal access many Pokémon can Dynamax

Huge impact on team momentum

Cons:

Temporary lasts only 3 turns

Can be countered by opponent’s Dynamax

Less strategic subtlety; brute-force mechanic

2 Terastallization

Power Ranking: Highly versatile and strategic

Pros:

Tera Type change surprise factor; opponent doesn’t know your Tera Type

Dual STAB potential keeps original STAB while adding new Tera Type STAB

Universal any Pokémon can Terastallize

No item needed frees item slot for other benefits

Flexible timing use whenever it suits you

Cons:

No direct stat boost only a type-based boost

Effectiveness depends on prediction and matchup knowledge

3 Mega Evolution

Power Ranking: Strong, but species-limited

Pros:

Huge stat boosts can change the outcome of battles

Ability / type change possible adds tactical advantage

Visual impact gives “signature” feel

Permanent until fainting reliable

Cons:

Species-specific only certain Pokémon can Mega Evolve

Item required locks Mega Stone slot

Predictable opponents know what Mega forms exist

4 Z-Moves

Power Ranking: One-time burst; situational

Pros:

Extremely powerful single move can KO threats instantly

Can surprise opponents if timed well

Works on many Pokémon holding the correct Z-Crystal

Cons:

One use per battle short-lived impact

No stats, type, or ability changes doesn’t alter long-term strategy

Less versatile compared to other mechanics

>>58465344
>>58465368
That kinda sucks. I guess Showdown will still be the best battle simulator.

>>58465385
granted, this is an extension to current and future titles. Showdown is more or less anything fucking goes at this point.

They should allow custom rulesets
SM let you use Z Move and Mega on the same team

>>58465385
>He thinks Showdown isn't getting a fuck off DMCA around Champion's release
AAAHAHAHA, what's next, game freak and pokémon are around for your best interest?

>>58465426
You vil eat ze 10mn limit time.
You vil have ze animations always enabled.
You zil pay up or farm gems for 6 months to build a team.
You zil pay switch online and bank to import your favorites.

>>58465038 (OP)
Mega Salamence specifically

>>58465038 (OP)
They need to reduce Dynamax to 2 turns. And Z-Moves should be allowed along with whatever else you pick since its so weak. Then thats a real decision.

>>58465038 (OP)
Megas.

>>58465221
I feel like the benefit of Z-Moves would be that its essentially similar to a nuke button with specific benefits.

It would essentially be the middle ground between Dynamax with D-Moves and normal set up moves. You use the nuke for one turn more for set up and can still switch in and out the pokemon with specific strategies with the lack of items being there.

>>58465446
It's open source

>>58465038 (OP)
All of them. If you can keep them all in your back pocket, even better.

>>58465038 (OP)
>have to choose between Z-moves and megas
Why? You could have both in SM. Z-moves aren’t even going to be worth it compared to the other gimmicks, so they shouldn’t be exclusive.

z celebrate umbreon my beloved

Will these bros be OK with no gimmicks?

>>58465038 (OP)
Teras because I like the mindgames of shifting types to cover for a weakness

>>58465544
Empoleon used to be such a goat.

>>58465038 (OP)
Everyone is going to use dynamax. That shit will be the only good one of the four.

>>58465377
>ChatGPT says-
Yeah well Wigglytuff says you're a retard.

>>58465252
>How did things get worse than PBR?
Genius sonority imploded in on itself and the only developers left working on pokemon are mobile shovelware devs like DeNa/niantic and gamefreak

>>58465252
False, dumb retard. The animations ARE from Battle Revolution as many people have proved it. The thing is the camera work doesn't focus on the mons for the same of pacing. Empoleon and Leafeon are shown having them.

>>58465544
infernRAPE

>>58465666
Yay or Nay

>>58465709
Starmie fodder

>>58465038 (OP)
>90% of the background characters are black
>3DS Graphics
>Ugly UI

I'm so tired...

>>58465555
Will the Sinnoh Trio even be able to make good use of Dynamax?

>>58465544
>hey let's alienate an entire fucking gen of starters of any gimmick in a Legends title
>also let's add 2 of the shitters from johto because JOHTOOOOOOOOOOOOO
(AVGN voice) what were they THINKING?

>>58465252
They started designing the games for people who actually play PvP and not zoomers who watch the game once on youtube

>>58465038 (OP)
dynamax is going to be the only viable option. ditto is going to be on every team, as it's far and away the best counter to broken dynamax sweepers.
enjoy your 5 pokemon meta.

>>58466184
At this point I'd like to think GF sees that Sinnoh is a glaring ommission. They literally have nothing. But I just have no hope for them anymore, mainly my bro Infernape. At least my OG Blastoise will be always guaranteed to get something new, but I'd gladly sacrifice that if it meant Empoleon gets something.

>>58465038 (OP)
realistically if its something like 6v6 singles then anything with last respects is going to be better then any of the gimmicks

>>58465038 (OP)
>dynamax
Increased base HP
Increased base power for every move
Every move also increases a stat for all allies or sets up weather
There's also Gigantamax but it's actually worse lmao
>mega evolution
Hyperbuffs one Pokemon and that's it
>z-move
You can use 1 nuke. wow
>tera
Changes the type of something which can be really fucking broken
Also brings back Hidden Power sorta

If you're really free to use whichever gimmick you want then I can't wait to see how much of a shitshow the next VGC will be. (Also Dynamax clearly wins)

>>58465830
>90% of the background characters are black

kek is true, wtf GF. I've been thinking about it since the SV npc designs, but activists have really infiltrated deep into GF, huh.

>>58465038 (OP)
Dynamax is both more flexible and even more busted than Tera and Mega Evolution could ever be. Z Moves arent even in the discussion

>>58466280
Fucker its future france, I think you gotta be delusional to say its activism to properly represent a nation

>>58465221
>Z splash Gyarados with wind support can wreck

>>58465368
>WiWa
retard

>>58465038 (OP)
Whichever is the one(s) are allowed in that ruleset.

>>58465544
What gimmick do the Paldea starters have? Terastallization isn't unique for them.

>>58465038 (OP)
they really should have just stopped at megas and focused more on gameplay mechanics in gen 8 onwards and giving 1 & 2 stage shitmons better evolutions because having all of these gimmicks available at once is fucking stupid

All the sweaty tryhards would gravitate towards the tryhard shit that's most effective in fucking over casuals and people who have actual lives so Dynamax.
Unless the Pokemon you used Dynamax on is one that everyone is suddenly clairvoyant over and has their third eye open for to sodomize with a coverage move that conveniently appeared in their shitmon's moveset.

>>58465038 (OP)
I'm gonna use Gen 10 gimmick.

>>58466480
Procedural generation?

>>58466310
>Pokemon Champions
>France

Eh?

Should I start training a GMax Snorlax?

>>58466505
Super Weather

>>58466554
Maybe wait say 5 years for Legends Galar

>>58465038 (OP)
do you choose before entering, or do you have all 4 options available until you choose one?

It matters, because if they can be used as 4 different forms of pivot that's huge.

>>58465160
Dragon Tail.

On one hand dynamax is busted, on the other hand you have shit like pick related avaliable. Hard to say who wins.

>>58465038 (OP)
Dynamax is so much stronger than the others that it's not even funny.

>>58466903
>>58466941
Dynamax without the Dymamax Candy boost is only 50% more health.
I wouldn't imagine pokemon pulled from Let's Go would get to keep their candy AV boosts. So I don't expect candy Dynamax boosts from Galar to work either.

And Max Moves aren't actually all that much stronger than Tera-boosted moves. Last Resort and Hyper Beam don't even gain power and Self-Destruct loses some. I'd say max moves basically always get a +50% boost or less, which is what Tera gives, 1.5 STAB, or 2x STAB if already STAB.

So between a lvl0 Dynamax and a Tera, you're choosing between 3 turns of 50% health and a type specific effect on your moves vs the moves normal secondary effects and potentially resisting a common threat or getting stab boost on coverage.


>>58465426
they were originally from the same game before they cancelled Z.
Z moves would have been presumably the answer to not every mon getting a mega. Like how Plus Moves are in PLZA.

Of the four, I think they're the most balanced to allow together compared to the other two because megafug aside they both require item slots on any mon you want the option to use it on. Megas are like a Soul Dew or Griseous Core you have to activate in battle.

>>58466448
Hopefully they have tighter control with a dynamic ban list, if certain legends/nonlegends have gorillion usage rate then outright ban them next week or something

>>58465038 (OP)
Little Jimmies around the world are going to flood low ranks with cool/edgy megas.
Sweaty high ladder nerds are going to abuse Dynamax strats to set up easy sweeps.
You'll sometimes see meme Z-Moves, mostly as an anti-meta option to beat oppressive mons
Tera is a singles meme to get a free sweep going in the right matchup.

>>58467092
>they were originally from the same game before they cancelled Z
Source: your ass. There isn’t a single thing in the teraleak backing up your claim, even with what we actually know about the Kalos follow up games (which we know for certain were a pair, rather than a singular “Z” version). We also know for a fact they didn’t even come up with Z-moves until much later in SM’s development, and that originally their plan was just to do a summon type feature.