Thread 58484837

So just this week I got to learn some people thought ORAS was some weird alt-universe story with shoehorned megas (kinda like what Let's Go was) instead of the canon version of the Hoenn games in the current universe where mega evolution is known by the public. For some reason, people (if you can even call them people) thought RSE was the canon Hoenn story years before XY, instead of the revised, remade Hoenn story they made specifically for XY's generation, with references to XY and an expansion of the mega evolution lore with primal reversion and the natural energy.
Why? I'm honestly trying to figure out the reason but I don't understand how could anyone be this stupid. It's like if you assumed Legends Arceus was a what if prequel too and in canon the first pokedex ever was still Oak's.

>>58484837 (OP)
Forgot to mention Team Rainbow Rocket isn't an excuse either because those are all from different worlds, the Maxie and Archie from the mega universe (ORAS) never appear in gen 7.

>some people thought ORAS was some weird alt-universe story with shoehorned megas (kinda like what Let's Go was) instead of the canon version of the Hoenn games in the current universe where mega evolution is known by the public.
I honestly wish this were true. (That ORAS was an alternate universe and that non-mega Hoenn was still canon.)

>Why? I'm honestly trying to figure out the reason but I don't understand how could anyone be this stupid. It's like if you assumed Legends Arceus was a what if prequel too and in canon the first pokedex ever was still Oak's.
Picrel. Let people have fun/enjoy what they want (even if it isn't "canon.")

>>58484837 (OP)
>in the current universe where mega evolution is known by the public
In XY, mega evolution isn’t known by the public. The entire plot concerns the fact that no one knows about it, and they even state outright that it only occurs in Kalos.

Ohmori fucked up when he made ORAS, and didn’t understand Masuda’s continuity. He shoved his alt universe bs in there too, so people who played XY assumed he meant that ORAS was just its own universe all together, rather than a retcon to the XY lore.

>>58484948
I have nothing against picking one version or the other based on your tastes. Calling it canon is an entirely different matter, it's not longer about taste, just denial of reality.

>>58485054
>mega evolution isn’t known by the public
The most impresive construction in France's coast is a giant tower with a giant Mega Lucario statue and the Champion is a famous actress with a Mega Gardevoir. Megaevolution has always been better known in Kalos than in Hoenn

The only trve canon is that Marley is the best waifu and is happily in love with me and we make passionate love every night. Conflicting opinions are discarded.

>>58484837 (OP)
Please understand, hoennbabies had to sacrifice a battle facility most people only played for 30 minutes and never again and a shitty bike minigame as build up for a legendary, all for rivals with non-joke teams, the best catching mechanic ever implemented, free flying in a fucking Mega Lati@s, improved villains in both look and personality, a Pokemon League with rematches, actual lore for Rayquaza and plenty QoL improvements the franchise had been adding years after RSE release.
They obviously couldn't accept the remake, they had to pathetically cling to the outdated original game and pretend it wasn't replaced by the literal re-do of Hoenn.

>>58484837 (OP)
It literally was stated to be an alternate universe Hoenn in the games though, multiple times in the Delta Episode as well as the Pokedex Completion certificate

>>58484948
In ORAS non-RSE Hoenn is canon. The issue is since then they've never acknowledged it again

>>58485502
>reading comprehension
We know RSE and ORAS are different universes, the question is which one is in the same universe as XY. Anyone sane knew ORAS was the one, but some retards thought it was RSE and ORAS was a one time thing separated from everything else.

>>58484837 (OP)
ORAS made it clear that both it and RSE are canon.

>>58485189
People don't know what mega evolution is, generally, not until the player character reaches Shalour. If you read what the NPCs say and the character dialogue you'll learn that. NPCs mention not knowing mega evolution are alao scientists.The only reason Professor Sycamore knows of it so well is because he actually trained for a short period at Shalour. All because it's an impressive building doesn't mean that everyone knows what it's for. Mega Evolution in XY is a myth until Shalour.

>>58485539
>it's a myth when it's the ace of the strongest and most famous person of the entire region
Nigger, people not knowing all logistics and shit doesn't mean mega evolution is a myth, it's a documented phenomenon many can see with their eyes, it's as much of a myth as in ORAS, if not less

>>58485533
Read the post above yours.

>>58485581
No, it's not. Few characters in XY has access to mega evolution and you only see them mega evolve anything after Shalour, the first of whom is Korrina, who is the successor of mega evolution. It isn't known, and the people that do know about it only know about it because of the myth of the Lucario. It isn't a documented phenomenon until the player character starts mega evolving. That's why Professor Sycamore calls it the mystery of mega evolution, because it's not known. Once the player unlocks mega evolution in Shalour, only then does Professor Sycamore meet them in Coumarine and inform them more about mega evolution appearing in Kalos more frequently.

>>58485646
How the fuck does Diantha have a Mega Gardevoir then?

>>58485615
I replied to OP which said otherwise, not to that post.

>>58485646
Diantha is close friends with Professor Sycamore, as is Lysandre. She calls him 'Dear Augustine' and mentions he speaks about your endeavors often. You actually meet Professor Sycamore in Coumarine who is with Diantha at the time he talks about mega evolution in Kalos. You also might notice that he meets Lysandre in Lysandre cafe as well, and Lysandre is also capable of mega evolving. Lysandre mentions when you initially meet him in the professor's lab that he learns much from Professor Sycamore, and he also contacts the player character via the HoloCaster to congratulate them on mega evolution since Professor Sycamore told him about it. You are giving Sycamore the information about mega evolution and he is telling others about it as you find out.

>>58485690
>>58485735
I'm sorry, I responded to the wrong post.

>>58485712
That post gives you the context you are missing like a dumbass, this isn't about which universe is real, but which one happens in the same world as XY, retard

I thought the understanding was that ORAS and XY took place in an alt universe from the other games, which is why they have the mega phenomenon and the previous games didn't.

>>58485753
>thought RSE was the canon Hoenn story years before XY, instead of the revised, remade Hoenn story they made specifically for XY's generation
If you were speficially refering to JUST the story before XY AND knew what canon means(impossible in this fanbase) then the word "canon" wouldn't have been needed at all.

>>58485758
That's "the understanding" in the sense that its the headcanon people go with, yeah.

>>58485646
Nigger Diantha and Lysandre megaevolve. Even if Lysandre didn't have a keystone at first, Diantha did. Kalos has a giant mega tower with a giant mega Lucario and a gym leader with a key stone and a Champion with a mega ace. Not everyone knows about it but it's not a myth, it's not a legendary thing yet to be proven to be real, it's a tangible thing many know of, just like in Hoenn.

>>58485758
That's what everyone with more than two braincells understood, yes, but some retards lost their shit when they got OP line while playing because they somehow thought ORAS and XY were in different universes

>>58485792
If you have more than two braincells you'd actually be able to read the text instead of parroting retarded theories.

>>58485390
Doesn't help there's that massive retard who cries everytime someone mentions the Pokemon multiverse and posts pic related because his pea brain thinks Matsumiya was trying to say these specific versions and only these specific versions were canon, the retard genuinely tried to shill RG and RS sharing universe, instead FRLG and RS.

>>58485823
Ah, yes, the FiredRed and LeafGreen kanji.

>>58485777
The Tower of Mastery is built on a myth. The myth is that the Lucario is the first mega evolution that happened thousands of years ago. Mega evolution is quite literally a myth in Kalos. You might also notice that Korrina doesn't actually mega evolve or utilize Lucario at all in her gym battles, and that she is the granddaughter of Gurkinn, the mega evolution guru: he's the man who lives in the tower and safeguards the keystones because he is protective of this legacy. The only reason the player character gets a keystone to begin with is because Professor Sycamore(who is familiar with Gurkinn) contacted him ahead of time, the player character is properly vetted by Korrina and Gurkinn and the Lucario himself. And again, Diantha doesn't mega evolve her Gardevoir until the end of the game.

>>58485823
It's probably this >>58485801 clown, he loved to say the multiverse was a youtuber theory parroted by their fans. He's mad his retardation was exposed and RSE was confirmed to have nothing to do with the XY universe.

>>58485847
>he loved to say the multiverse was a youtuber theory parroted by their fans
Could you please quote where did I say that?

>>58484837 (OP)
>the first pokedex ever was still Oak's
Oak INVENTED first electronic Pokedex.
Thats why HE ASKS YOU to fill it.

>>58485839
>LITERALLY proving me right, he does think listing the first editions somehow means only those are canon instead of just being a simplified timeline like the one you see every time anyone makes one
Thank you very much, I really appreciated that. Good boy.

>>58485858
>LITERALLY proving me right
Anon, I was being ironic. There's no "FireRed" and "LeafGreen" kanji. Sorry for the confusion.
>somehow means only those are canon
I never said that.

>>58485845
>the tower of mastery [headcanon]
Lucario being the first pokemon to megaevolve in Kalos is a myth there's no way to confirm. Mega evolution existence isn't. And Diantha doesn't mega evolve her Gardevoir until the end of the game BECAUSE YOU DON'T FIGHT HER UNTIL THE END OF THE GAME you dumbass, she still has a keystone since the beginning and makes zero alusion at learning the phenomenon recently unlike Lysandre. All other depictions of Diantha also show her having her mega already, all depictions of Kalos show megaevolution is rare, but not a literal legend nobody knows about.

>>58485866
Anon, that's exactly what my post meant, you are so stupid you think a list of the first editions (Red and Green, without mentioning Blue, Pikachu or the remakes) means only those are canon. Sorry for the confusion, retard, but RS will never be in the same universe as XY.

>>58485885
> means only those are canon
I literally never said that.
>RS will never be in the same universe as XY
I never said otherwise.
Seriously learn to read and maybe then the lore of a game or kids wont filter you.

>>58485866
>>58485851
>>58485899
>I-I didn't say that!
I have been in mega universe discussion for years and I've seen you post that shit a hundred times you pathetic cuck, you always repeat it's some youtuber theory out of nowhere because you can't cope with everyone agreeing you are a retard filtered by a children's monster collector videogame's writing. Don't run away now the new game confirmed you are full of shit

>>58485909
>you always repeat it's some youtuber theory out of nowhere
No, I said a specific understanding of the multiverse is a retarded theory.
Not that the idea of the multiverse itself is a theory.
Its the billionth time you tried this strawman.

>Don't run away now the new game confirmed you are full of shit
Every single gen after debunked your theory though.

>>58485878
I'm not talking about "all other depictions". I'm talking about the XY games, what happens in them, and what the characters say and do, and mega evolution is quite literally a myth until Shalour, when we meet the weird people surrounding the myth. For Diantha, she is present in the room when Professor Sycamore talks about the player character's capacity for mega evolution. Why would she need to allude to learning about it when she was literally in the room when it was being discussed? You should also keep in mind that the mechanics of mega evolution aren't well known either, even if she has a keystone prior to Shalour, it doesn't mean that she can mega evolve. The player character has a mega stone prior to Shalour and they clearly don't know how to use it or how it works until they arrive there.

>>58485899
>heh not me
lmao the audacity of this bitch

>>58485925
Quote where did I say those things then. It should be easy if I did actually say those. But, somehow, every time this is asked you never answer.

>>58485823
The way the retard derailed the thread as soon you posted this just confirms it. This is the level to expect from people who thought RSE was canon to XY kek

>>58485390
>>58485823
>Hoennbabies when the Hoenn remake that changes stuff to add mechanics and lore that ties with XY's is the one connected to XY instead of the original Hoenn game that lacked all those

>>58485980
By headcanon you mean what they just confirmed, that ORAS, XY and ZA share continuity? kek

>it's really just one retard mad RSE was replaced by ORAS
yikes, worse than I expected

>>58484837 (OP)
Not only does ORAS contradict XY with its Mega stuff, it takes place after XY despite Gen 3 being before XY in the timeline. Not to mention they literally tell you its a different dimension in the first place.
t.zinnia

>>58486205
I get at least three layers of shitpost (if intentional) or retardation (if not) from this. Did I miss a fourth one? You seem to be able to pull off something like that

>>58486205
>it takes place after XY
we finally found it
the most retarded /vp/ user

>>58486082
No one said otherwise.

>>58484837 (OP)
Some retards are still in denial over the multiverse despite being a thing in gen 5, 6, 7 and 9 and can't accept the games stopped taking place in RSE universes long ago