Thread 58496989

ONE CITY

>>58496989 (OP)
oof it went down again

1 (one)

P*lworld, 'tendo overcharging for most of their stuff, and Digibronies creating a billion sockpuppet accounts to inflate Time Strangers' average and dock Z-A's average

>>58496989 (OP)
Oh no no no no no no noooooo ZABros

>>58496989 (OP)
Review bombing because the city is just one model (oops it actually isn't but it's too late now because I wanted to get pointless internet clout)

>>58496989 (OP)
Nothing really. I do think Arceus is better but ZA is way overhated its an 80 at least

>>58496989 (OP)
PLA FUCKING WON SO HARD HOLY KEK

>>58496995
>>58497029
I don't actually think that's the problem. I personally like Lumiose City as a setting and am content with it.
The problem is that people expect more than one city for a game that costs $70. Arguably even $60 is too much, ideally I think this would be a $40 game at most, but I feel like even if the game was $60 people wouldn't be so hard on it. In any case I didn't pay for it and my opinion is that it's one of the best Pokemon games in years because the bar was set so low by SV

>>58496989 (OP)
>Lower than Digimon Time Stranger now
G R I M

>Muh reviewbombing!
Bad games getting low scores is how reviewing is supposed to work. The only reason there's any confusion on this is because of how paid off and corrupt the "professional" reviewers are.
The only reviewbombing I see there is fanboys inflating PLA's score, since that game wasn't any good either.

>>58496989 (OP)
The fact that You Bought It Anyway, that's what.

>>58496989 (OP)
>78
YIKES

>>58497064
Naw it's definitely being review bombed, people are seething at Nintendo for the $70 price increase, that's honestly what this is all about. It doesn't help that leaks revealed the games budget to only be like $15 million at most

>>58496989 (OP)
The thing is, PLA wasn't even a good game. It was an unfinished, unpolished tech demo with the price tag of a fully realized game, but people gave them a pass because they were excited that the games were finally evolving after 20 years. Additionally, people assumed PLA was more a "proof of concept" (see: tech demo) that the sequel would build on, so they were even more lenient.

PLA is laden with objective flaws, though. No other franchise could release such a flawed game and actually be praised for it.

>>58497052
The complaints about muh one city don't make any sense. Nobody complains about Vice City only being one city. What matters is the density of content and the explorable area. And Lumiose surprisingly has a lot to explore. The alleyways and rooftops make it a lot more than just a few streets to walk down.

>>58497052
I don’t think the one city is the issue, it’s just a lazy city. Arkham City is 15 years old and dwarfs ZA

>>58497061
Digimon won.......................

>>58497090
There ain’t shit to do on the rooftops or alleyways

>>58496995
fpbp, what a bunch of lazy faggots, God I hate Game Freak doing the absolute bare minimum

>>58497085
>it's impossible that people could genuinely dislike my favorite game!!! the negative reviews are just sock puppet accounts reviewbombing!!!!!!
Jesus fucking christ you people are insufferable. You're no different than the people who insist anyone who bought ZA is a mindless Nintendrone who will eat up anything they shit out, and you're too retarded to realize it.

>>58496989 (OP)
It's a nostalgia trip for the generation which ruined the franchise, of course it was gonna be shit.

>>58497103
The game isn't a 4.6 dude, you're acting like it's wild to think that people would be review bombing over a bullshit price, who's the shill again?

>>58497085
Why isn’t that negative scores with reasons must be review bombs, but 10s with no reasons are valid

>>58497061
Deserved, Time Strangers is actually good

>>58496989 (OP)
Deserves it just for locking so many good mon behind end/post game

>>58497119
>but 10s with no reasons are valid
I don't think I've seen anyone call the game a 10 though, the low scores are definitely bullshit though, I don't really get what you're struggling to understand here

>>58497116
I don't think ZA is a good game. I don't know where that rating aligns in the 0-10 score, but I don't think the game is good.

>>58497134
Did you pay for the game? I didn't and I think it's way better than PLA (which I also didn't pay for), what's your particular issue with it?

>>58497090
>nobody ever complains about Vice City only being one city
>comparing Vice City's world (released in 2002) to ZA's world
This is so insanely retarded that I don't even know how to respond.

>>58496989 (OP)
PLAchads Get the Fuck in Here!

>>58497119
Unreasonable 10s are gay too you faggot

>>58496989 (OP)
pfffffffffffffffffthahahahahahahahaha

>>58497052
>The problem is that people expect more than one city for a game that costs $70.
yeah exactly it's $70 for a game with one city

>>58497160
Was never in doubt

>>58497116
>The game isn't a 4.6 dude
Yeah, 4.6 is an overly generous score for this shit.

>>58497090
>The complaints about muh one city don't make any sense. Nobody complains about Vice City only being one city.
You're genuinely fucking stupid if you think this is at all a valid comparison. If you go to basically any location in Z-A you see the same thing. There's zero variety in the city. The entire thing is copy/paste. The scenery in the first hour is exactly the same as the scenery in the thirtieth hour. It almost never feels like you're making progress because everything is the same. Vice City and any other game that has actual effort put into it does not suffer from this problem.

>>58497338
NTA but I think they kinda designed the city like that on purpose since a lot of those alleyways and plazas literally become wild areas as you progress through the game

>>58497052
This. Thy are charging a premium price for a budget game. For $70 on the Switch 2 I expect something on the tier of DK Bananza. This game should be a $30 game with $10 dlc.

The only major difference is Legends Arceus released under the Biden administration

>>58497087
PLA's battle system was complete dogshit (something people overlook because the game is unfinished so you barely ever battle anything) meanwhile ZA completely revamps in a way that is, while very jank, incredibly fun. And then people say the game doesn't try and innovate at all. I think both PLA and ZA are bad games for different reasons and it's weird seeing people try and act like one was the best thing GameFreak ever made while shitting on the other.

>>58496995
this is why i also hate assassin's creed revelations
i hate getting stuck in cities, it's such a bland environment for games
if i wanted to see city architecture i'd leave my house
truly pathetic, i love kalos a lot and i really wish the world was either fully open like sv or at least tried to be like pla

>>58497087
>le tech demo meme for the 500th time

>>58498428
ZA's battle system is boring as fuck. Real-time doesn't work when everything is so squishy in Pokemon compared to other games.

>>58498393
The mistake is that you think the price video game companies charge is proportional to the effort they put in, when thats not the case at all. They charge you what they think you'll pay for the brand. Hence why Mario Kart is $80 despite Nintendo also selling Xenoblade at $60 with about 50 more hours of game length

OH NO.......

A storm is coming

>>58499596
ZAbros I'm starting to feel sick to my stomach

grifters

>>58499596
>2,608 user reviews

>>58499596
DigiChads Stand Proud

>>58499596
>600 vs 2500
insane review bombs

>>58499691
I want to fuck the hell out of Lilithmon

ZA lost so bad

>>58496989 (OP)
It's a decent game, but not at that price. I might be more forgiving if it were truly a small independent studio (yes, like the meme), but it's the richest IP on the planet; they've already proven how they can deliver quality with other studios.

Mass sales will only perpetuate this mediocrity. Why bother when they have a loyal herd that will devour any crap you throw at them?

>>58496989 (OP)
Scarlet and Violet went wrong.

>>58497087
PLZA feels more like a tech demo then PLA did. I didn't once get the feeling of tech demo from PLA. PLA felt like a game gamefreak actually cared about when working on.

I'm like 90% Nintendo didn't care about PLA and let gamefreak do what they want with it and it came out great.

Once nintendo saw what gamefreak did they demanded they put lightning in a bottle again with PLZA, but you know with less time and money. Because profit profit profit.

I think I reached my breaking point with this IP. ZA ooking like Wii/Mobile game in 2025 is just straight up annoying, Pokemon deserves a fucking better developer.

>>58497064
"Reviews" left by "users" who do not put their money where their mouth is are functionally useless. It makes what is written no longer a review but merely an opinion. Unless the review is hosted on a platform that demands a verifiable purchase, even if it that purchase is eventually refunded, it carries no weight. This is why something like Steam user reviews are actually useful (to a certain extent) because it both demands the user put their money down first to have the privileged of having their opinion displayed as a review, and it informs the reader exactly how much time the user put into the product before writing their review. Anyone who puts any genuine weight behind crap like Metacritic user reviews are just as terminally online as the people who waste their time writing them.

But honestly, from my perspective. If you're the type of person who either needs to feel validated about how you feel about the media you choose to consume based on the opinion of others, or the type of person who can't already come to their own conclusion on how they anticipate how they'll feel about a game from just looking at pre-release footage, you have bigger problems going on in your life.

>>58500857
So explain why PLA has a green userscore, while PLZA has a red one?

>>58496995
I KNOW WHY

>>58496989 (OP)
Nothing, it's overhated by NPC drones who review bombed it because their favorite eceleb said so

>>58500869
GIVING 10/10 TO WEAK GAME IS just a valid opinion bro
GIVING 0/10 TO WEAK GAME IS REVIEW BOMBING AND BAD

>>58500869
PLA came out before Palworld is the real answer. Not that Pokemon had a great reputation at the time but Palworld's release and then the lawsuit is what really kicked the hate train into high gear and made it very profitable for influencers to pile on.

>>58497353
>they make their games dogshit on purpose
We know.

>>58500869
I think the popular sentiment over what general audiences want out of Pokemon as video games is that dream of that open world BotW-lite Pokemon adventure that you can find a literal infinite amount of fan concept art for. Within that context, PLA resonated more with general audiances because while it was incredibly flawed and a very visually ugly game, it was at least an attempt towards that concept. While I believe between the two titles that PLZA is the more engaging and overall better title, the aspects about it that make it so came at the expense of concepts and ideas that people liked out of PLA, primarily the sense for exploration and adventure. Even if that sense of exploration was surface level, and the adventure existed with far more ugly environments. I think if PLZA did a better job at expressing a sense of compelling urban exploration this would be a different story.

Honestly however, I think what we're seeing here is just a general trend. (not to say that there isn't valid reason for some of the criticism that fuels the trend.) SV's launch made it trendy to shit on Pokemon again, and it's being further emboldened by the greater trend of people hating Nintendo for X, Y, and Z superficial reasons. This happens once every generation when the kids growing up playing Nintendo games reach that age where they start to no longer be the target audience for those Nintendo games.

>>58499520
And I'm not willing to pay $70for the Pokemon brand, so instead of getting a sale from me, they got nothing. I have plenty of other good games to play; if they want me to buy their game, it needs to be good and value is a part of if something is good.

>>58501005
>mind broken by Palworld
Pokemon has been shit for over 12 years. It didn't start with Palworld or the Switch games. At this point it's like the Simpsons, it's remembered fondly for its 11/10 golden age, but it's been so bad for so long no one has faith in it to deliver anymore.

>>58496989 (OP)
The game is just shit

>It's ok that it's just a city because there's a little bit more than a city
Do you guys play other games? Picture related was 60$ on launch.

>>58496989 (OP)
I like how this destroys the "Pokémon is getting targeted!" cope. No, it's clearly about game quality and fan expectations, otherwise PLA would've gotten "review bombed".

>>58501050
The sense of exploration in Arceus is not even remotely surface level at all. Next to ZA it has the best exploration the series has had since BW2 easily. The mere fact that unlocking new skills allows you to revisit old areas and find new stuff with those skills counters that idea. The game has actual design and thought behind the Pokemon placements unlike say SwSh

>>58501280
Anon you could easily still argue the series is getting targeted since PLA was before BDSP and SV soured people on the series

ZA and SV might be some of the worst games in the series

>>58501340
There's nothing wrong with Pokemon getting targeted. If they don't like it they can just make a better game. Fans don't owe the billion dollar corpo any goodwill. It's them who owe the fans.

The story is unbelievably boring.
The only interesting thing is like two loose ends from X Y being tied up, but I was never losing sleep over that shit anyways.
There's so much fucking dialogue from your annoying hotel staff buddies but so little of it has any weight.

>>58496989 (OP)
Pokemon went tumblr coded and every ozempic-guzzling character in this game looks like they were designed by a tranny, and probably were.

I'm glad this piece of shit game is getting targeted

>>58497157
You don't know how to respond because you don't have a real argument at all. Video games were at their peak in 2002, lil zoom.

>>58497052
>>58498393
Yea the pricing and timing being too late really soured the perception of the game more so after how the games from SWSH to SV and to an extent games even as far back as XY (though personally I think ORAS was when the inklings of problems started to show itself and USUM being the catalyst that truly began the series decay).

Had ZA released during the early days of the switch 1 or as the first switch 1 game instead of lets go then people would me more forgiving of its faults.

>>58501329
I appreciate that you can more deeply enjoy those aspects, I didn't find the exploration of PLA that compelling. To me it felt like a surface level facsimile of what exploring wilderness, caves, and ancient ruins should feel like, just like how I view PLZA as a surface level facsimile of what the sense of urban exploration should feel like. For something as iconic as Mt. Cornet is to Sinnoh as a region, the form of Mt. Cornet players got in PLA is almost an insult compared to the absolute labyrinth of a cave system Mt. Cornet existed as within gen 4. For comparison, PLZA similarly fails to fully realize and express what urban exploration, and just how interesting and dense a massive megalopolis like Paris actually is.

There's another thread going on right now speculating about the PLZA DLC, with some people expressing hopeful wishes that maybe the DLC could let them explore some of the areas immediately surrounding Lumiose. To me, I don't think wishes like that are coming just from the fact that PLZA exists within just 1 city, it's that the 1 city it exists within fells more shallow and lifeless than any actual city that exists within our reality, just like how the ruins, caves, and forests of PLA feel more lifeless than any actual ruins, caves, and forests that exist in the real world.

>>58499596
The Weak should fear the Strong

>>58501261
>heres your game bro

>>58496989 (OP)
The 0 score User Reviews on Pokemon Z-A are definitely from people who played the game and who definitely speak english as a first language.

>>58501411
agreed, the long tutorial at the beginning really didn't help

>>58501479
That's entirely fair. I agree fwiw. I think I'm just more coming at it from a mindset of being grateful for at least having more exploration after how much they gutted it in SM and even more in SwSh

>>58496989 (OP)
Far too many blacks
People have fatigue and game devs refuse to aknewledge it

Is this the designated SEA shitposter thread

>>58496989 (OP)
PLAChads stand Tall

>>58503404
That art is kino wtf