Thread 58546070

Come here for talk about all things Pokémon Mystery Dungeon.

Previous thread: https://arch.b4k.dev/vp/thread/58449870/ >>58449870

(DOWN) PMD Catalog (read Branches.txt for MEGA navigation): https://mega.nz/folder/gi5k2DBL#wVscYMtiXMuAeWDvKYyfmw

(DOWN) Pokemon Mystery Dungeon ROMs and Emulators Catalog: https://mega.nz/folder/ciVjBRoD#5vICIpkn16o-i1co11yFFg

(DOWN) PMD Fangames Catalog: https://mega.nz/folder/Yyk3gQaI#NNSyFhuoa2Cg5HuL2oEyTg

Romhacks Overview/Reviews: https://rentry.org/pmdglph

PMD Fan Fiction Archive: https://rentry.org/pmdg-ffarchive

PMD Guides: https://pastebin.com/Dbq61R5u
Explorers of Sky Romhacking Guide: https://rentry.org/skytempleguide

Everything about the Clover Guild: https://cloverguild.com/
Drawing Board: https://magma.com/d/vE8xMGVGRh
Mobile Drawing Board: https://magma.com/d/VKX3y9Ud61
Drawing Request: https://rentry.org/DrawReqPublic

Questions:
>What newer gen Pokemon could you see working as a shop NPC?
>Are there any types that get shafted more than others in PMD's gameplay?
>How would you make traps less frustrating?
>If you could have one item from PMD in real life, which would you choose and why?


Recap of the previous thread:
>Glaceon-anon posted an intro story, Named at Last: https://rentry.org/namedatlast
>Sceptile-anon's daily halloween art prompts continued
>Various pieces of art were posted

Reminder that the "Boo! Haunted Guild!" writing collab is still ongoing
Rules: https://rentry.org/BHG_Rules
Intro: https://rentry.org/BHG_Intro

>>58546508
Writing is hard, just hoping what I have in store doesn't seem too short.

>>58546070 (OP)
>>What newer gen Pokemon could you see working as a shop NPC?
probably eldegoss or alcremie
>>How would you make traps less frustrating?
a more subtle indication of where they could be at would probably make them less frustrating. pmdo has it to where traps are technically seen but a more subtle thing, like a specific part of the tileset to where it isn't so blatantly obvious might make it more tolerable than having them jumpscare you.
>>If you could have one item from PMD in real life, which would you choose and why?
tunnel wand, because barricades go byebye

>>58546070 (OP)
>How would you make traps less frustrating?
Are traps really that frustrating?
Maybe it is just me being used to the level of BS from roguelikes, but I've never felt like traps were that big of a deal.

>How would you make traps less frustrating?
Just reduce their usage. Traps are at their best when they're actually surprising. They shouldn't feel like HP or PP taxes, they feel like unexpected events that you have to adapt to
>>58547973
A lot of people get upset because it is RNG thing that cannot be predicted. That is the nature of traps, though. If you could see the trap coming, it wouldn't be a good trap

>>58546070 (OP)
>>What newer gen Pokemon could you see working as a shop NPC?
Not a fan of the mon but if they still had chest opening NPC's, Gimmighoul seems like an obvious pick.
>>Are there any types that get shafted more than others in PMD's gameplay?
RT electric and fighting types have it pretty bad, but I'd say electric's got it the worst here. This is before Discharge existed, so the best they have is Tbolt, but even then almost no electric types have any kind of coverage.
Even in Sky, Thundershock is for some reason one of the weakest attacks in the game with a base power of 1. For context, something like Water Gun is I think 4 base power.
>>How would you make traps less frustrating?
Remove PP Zero traps. It's far too punishing for something you basically can't play around outside attacking every tile you step on. Apple Traps are also heavily punishing and if the wrong item gets hit, you might as well just reset.
>>If you could have one item from PMD in real life, which would you choose and why?
It's gotta be Mobile Scarf. You could just walk through walls and over water like it was nothing.

>>58546070 (OP)
what a piece of shit "art"

>>58549984
what's wrong with it? I'm almost certain it's not ai, if that what you're implying

>>58546070 (OP)
Why is Master Chief in Treasure Town?

>>58550853
The artist plays really shitty shooters

>Glaceon-anon posted an intro story, Named at Last: https://rentry.org/namedatlast

>A giant spider friend that is also a huge ball of yarn
2/3 of Team Petal-Purr are going to adore her
The other one is absolutely terrified

attention this is blogposting of the faggoty kind!

This october challenge was fun but it also led me to rethink on what i did has a creative for the guild in 2 years.

i am considering a soft reboot but i also want to hear people's opinion on it here so i may adjust my scope to not fall in the same situation i am right now, dragging on because i no longer feel the spark.

>>58552721
I suppose it's fortunate that your Inn is so separate from the rest of the guild- you could restart without harming many other stories.
I have enjoyed your comic but if it's not giving you the spark, it might be worth putting down. It wasn't ever, like, extremely good. The art was what carried it for me. It introduced a ton of characters I couldn't possibly care about, and didn't really feel like it had stakes in the grand scheme.
Jung as a character I like a lot, though. If you still like sceptile, I feel like there's potential to keep him, even if solo. The coolest part of clover imo is drawing from a pool of community made characters for stories and art, so making just one or two characters and then mingling them with the guild might be more interesting than the lax inn. Maybe that's not relevant to the soft reboot you proposed, but it's I think worth considering.
Whatever you decide to do, I hope it fulfils you.

>>58553775
that's was indeed what made me rethink it, i boasted a lot of character in the get go without proper idea what to do with them and makin interaction that could be explored in collaboration with other guild members.
I've started all this in a very bombastic over the top way with shit ton of character but not many ideas what to do with it.

>>58553799
Chatot can't do shit about it, either.

>>58552721
>>58553833
>falling for the shonen trap of introducing too many characters to juggle
But yeah if you no longer feel the spark to continue then there is not much point in pressing on with it
If you decide on a soft-reboot rather than a full one I think just keeping Jung, Sara and maybe Mama Lax would be enough

And congratulations on completing the October challenge! Lots of good stuff there

>>58552721
first, congratulations on finishing your month of horror. we love jung around here and i dont think anyone would think less of you if you did a reboot for the sake of bringing your work closer to the guild.

>>58556901
please please please be a new clover guild character

>>58557426
please god no more eevees at the clover guild. They're practically infested already

>>58557509
and yet there's still no Jolteon, objectively the least feminine of the eeveelutions...
hmm...

>>58558007
There's one in the Makuhita's stories if I remember right. That's close enough

Separate from the Eevee conversation, has Moonlit Thicket been used in any stories? I see it in the locations reference, but I don't believe it's been mentioned anywhere. If there were plans to use it for anything, I'd like to know because I considered using it in my current story

>>58558313
Deepest lore

>>58558313
I'm doing my part!

need more vees

>>58560816
No we need more Riolu OCs

>>58560888
We actually don't have one unless you count Riolu and Eevee who are barely characters. Can someone make a riolu for the guild already?

>>58561024
>Riolu joins the guild for real
>relentlessly bullied
wish i had the comic of beast shittalking a riolu still

I'd make a Riolu solely to make Clover look more schizophrenic than usual since they wouldn't have an in-character reason to hate him.

>Captcha: P8KMN

Listening to the fugitive music from BRT again. Feels like it'll be impossible to capture that emotion again. Going through that game as a kid was something different, man. I feel very lucky to have experienced it.

>>58562007
Almost none of the natives would. Only the humans might care and it would confuse the fuck out of everyone

What is your opinion on having PMD final bosses not be Pokemon?

>walk into solar cave
>encounter mr mime
>he substitutes me
>kill him, he joins
>substitute doesn't end
>partner and mr mime attack and kill me
Excuse me, fucking what?

>>58564586
>In the Rescue Team, Explorers and Adventure Squad series, Substitute targets the Pokémon in front of them, ally or enemy, and inflicts the Decoy status condition on them. The Pokémon with this status will be preferentially attacked by allies and enemies. The status lasts for 21-50 turns. This move is affected by Snatch.
I can't be too mad I guess, but this is a hell of a reinterpretation of the move.

>>58564121
The threat itself doesn't have to be a person like the comet from RT, but the bosses should be proper characters (pokemon or human), otherwise it feels like a disconnect from its own world, or like a fanfic.

Is there a way with IQ or tactics to stop party mons from spamming boost moves in RBRT?
I have my guys on "Go After Foes", but half the time they just spam boosts or agility.
I don't really mind the latter's effect, but the animation and shit takes a long time and it's annoying
>inb4 unset them
I would, but they're moves I do want them to have access to

Idk, help

>>58565200
As far as I know, not really unfortunately, they have a bad tendency to spam buffs like that. Your best bet is pretty much to just set/unset their moves when needed, which is tedious, but there's not much else to be done. I think setting their AI to "Let's go together" or whatever it's called in RT, might have them spam buffs slightly less, although i never use any of the other AI types so i wouldn't know.

>>58565264
>I think setting their AI to "Let's go together" or whatever it's called in RT, might have them spam buffs slightly less, although i never use any of the other AI types so i wouldn't know.
I've been keeping them aggro because it helps during escort missions, but that's been annoying me a bit in its own right
>see new recruitable poke
>head over to try and grab
>partner pikachu launches a shock wave from 3000 yards away right before I reach there

Bonk

Is there a recommended order for those playing for the plot? Didn't see anything in the FAQ.

Is it just:

Red + Blue -> Explorers of Sky -> Gates to Infinity -> Super? Or does one play DX instead? Are some of these bad?

>>58558604
I created Moonlit Thicket for a story that I tried writing two years ago. I wasn't satisfied with the outcome of the story, so I never published it.
As far as I know, nobody else has used the dungeon yet. But Petal-Purr was thinking about using it, and I may revisit my story idea at some point.
As long as you don't do anything too crazy with your portrayal of the dungeon, like burning the place down or something like that, I don't think it'll interfere with anyone's plans. But if you want more feedback, feel free to put your ideas in spoilers here or talk about it in the magma drawboard chat.

>>58567578
Plot-wise Rescue and DX are the exact same which is disappointing, so just pick whatever.

As for the order, playing in release order is fine and my only recommendation is to leave Super for last. Not because of its bad story quality, but because it has a lot of little easter eggs in the form of NPCs from the same species as a character from the previous games making a small reference to them.
Sky is generally considered to have the best story, so I guess you could give that one a try first to see if the series click with you.

>>58569522
Female mons with eyelashes, yes or no?
I like it, even if it doesn't make sense on every species

>>58571559
Depends on the art style - it's good for more cartoony/animesque works as a tertiary sexual characteristic, especially for species that don't otherwise have dimorphism.

How are bounty hunters expected to restrain criminals and bring them all the way back to the authorities? Seems like it'd be difficult to do in some cases, especially if the crook is a powerful or large species of Pokemon, or if they're in a dungeon that's far away from town.
Are there items that can be used to reliably restrain Pokemon and make them unable to break free, no matter what moves and abilities they have? Would it make more sense to have an item that summons the cops to your location so the crook can be arrested on the spot after they've been defeated?
As far as I know, the games always gloss over it, and just cut from you defeating the target to you being back in town and talking with the cops while they have the crook in custody.

I just learned there was a third promotional video for GTI in addition to the anime shorts with Oshawott and Pikachu. It seems like it was Japan-exclusive.
I can't find much info about it. This tumblr apparently has some clips from it, and this wiki page has a youtube archive link, but the video doesn't load.
Does anyone know more about it, or know if the full video has been uploaded and preserved anywhere?

https://fuckyeahoshawott.tumblr.com/post/53380455292/dewott-pokemon-mystery-dungeon-pv3

https://mysterydungeonwiki.com/wiki/Draft:Meta:Pok%C3%A9mon_Mystery_Dungeon:_Gates_to_Infinity_-_Part_3

>>58572487
If you restrained them to begin with you already beat the shit out of them, you just continue to do so until you lug them cross country and hand them over to the useless cops.
>Would it make more sense to have an item that summons the cops to your location so the crook can be arrested on the spot after they've been defeated?
Now the crook has the same item that summons more crooks to their location when you show up.

>>58572487
I thought they just teleported them back to the town using the badge just like you do with rescues and yourself when you faint.

>>58573513
That'd make sense, but I never knew if the badges just bring you to the dungeon entrance or all the way back to town.
Also gotta wonder if the badges work outside dungeons, and can be used to go right back to town anytime you want.

>>58571559
Yes. I like it as well. Not every single work should do it but I don't have a complaint when they are put on mons that might be struggling to showcase femininity. I hate it when some try to subvert it by (also) putting it on males though, those can piss off.