Thread 58592543

I wish they would be retconned out of the franchise, Ohmori’s retarded decisions need not plague future legends games

same, but only for dynamax, but also the dance parts of the z-moves

>>58592543 (OP)
>>58592558
You lost

>>58592560
And what did you win?

>>58592560
nah, i won.

>>58592543 (OP)
Why did Ohmori make these again?

>>58592543 (OP)
Nah, they should retcon Megas instead.

Pokemon going super saiyan pushing through the pain thanks to our unbreaking bond >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ohmori's Inflation fetish

>>58592543 (OP)
>>58592558
They are weird.

I think dynamic forms should just be like mega evolution but for an HP boost.

Are they going to have an x and y and dynamax version of every Pokémon some day? I feel like they should have released many many more megas with ZA to at least get lots of the mons a mega form.

>>58592593
I unironically agree with this. Although I dislike megas as a concept, it is cool to say it simply. GF realized their mistake and immediately pivoted to universal gimmicks with a new select ones that make certain mons special but it was already too late.

>>58592543 (OP)
this but for Paradox Pokemon & Convergent Evos

>>58592543 (OP)

Z moves were lame, but dynamax as part of world building is retarded.

>>58592589
He wanted to "fix" Mega Evolutions, but completely failed to recapture their appeal.
ZA improves on Megas by simply giving them more presence.

>>58592764
>He wanted to "fix" Mega Evolutions, but completely failed to recapture their appeal
Yeah, because he designed the newer gimmicks for people who actually play PvP instead of mouth breathing campaignshitters who just want to clap at shiny new designs and post them on twitter.

>>58592782
>mouth breathing campaignshitters who just want to clap at shiny new designs and post them on twitter
Literally the crowd he appeals to by making a new dumb flashy gimmick for every new gen

>>58592805
Yeah, but at least all 1000+ Pokemon can hypothetically use those gimmicks instead of being gatekept to GameFreak's shillmons and various developer favorites.

>>58592543 (OP)
This but for Terastal.

I feel like they could have just made it so all pokemon can get a mega boost, but they just get a basic stat buffs and an aura if you really want every pokemon to be capable of using the gimmick. Like have mage stone just called megaite or something that's universal, while stones exclusive to a singular pokemon are stronger and undergo physical changes and type changes.
Really this feels like throwing the baby with bath water approach, when they simply could have tried to refine what they had.
Also held items are fine you are trading a pokemon's utility for more power in a sense you should question if having mega is truly needed.
The best megas in my opinion are the ones that don't want mega evolve instantly into battle, Soclipede has speed boost, and when it megas it loses speed, so to make up for that you'd want to hold off a bit to gain those speed boosts so the stat cut isn't as brutal.
I feel like that's conceptually more engaging.

>>58592764
The thing is, he'll never fix mega evolution. Its entire concept is flawed but that's also what makes it the most popular gimmick. Giving new, often edgy designs to popular pokemon was the reason why its so popular. This success simply cant be replicated. It can only be fixed if they commit to giving megas to every single mon in the dex but that is simply not feasible.

>>58592543 (OP)
A gimmick based around evolution is a better fit for pokemon than a nuke attack or pokemon becoming land whales.
It's one of the main reason it stone ck while these can't, they feel like a desperate attempt for relevency, not helped by Z moves trying to rip off yokai watch.
They should have just tried to rework the pre-existing gimmick they had instead of making inferior ones that clearly had no real thought behind it and thusly no staying power.
Or remove all gimmicks to focus on the fundamentals of the games.

>>58592543 (OP)
>IT'S NOT MEGAS SO IT'S BAD!!!!
Retarded faggots. They good at what they provide. Especially in the their own setting.

>>58592543 (OP)
I also hate Gen 7 and 8

>>58593724
There is nothing good about dancing like a faggot and inflation porn. Megas weee the only good gimmick which is why only game freak’s favorite pokemon get them

>>58593763
or their most hated pokemon like feraligatr

>>58593767
and pyroar

Tera is ugly but mechanically interesting and makes some fucking wonders in competitive. Megas are simply cool super modes with neat lore and a cool "this is my ace, let's go all out" anime kino vibre.
Z-moves dances are ridiculous and made up 50% of the mechanic because it's just one nuke and then are gone, literally zero presence whatsoever, the most forgetable mechanic ever, and Dyna is cooler than Z and Tera but its presence is also limited by the three turns thing and it's so op it's genuinely not even funny, just press the button to win (precisely the problem Mega had incl gen 6 campaign but more and worse looking) so it ultimately becomes cancer to anyone who actually wants to get into battling.
I honestly wish they stopped with the new gimmick thing, just give me a key stone around the sixth gym and keep introducing a few megas every gen, then give me the tera orb when I beat the game so I can do some crazy type mixes shenanigans in post-game and online.
Maybe make a gem-like item that turns a move into a Giga move once so those designs aren't lost and let Necrozma's Z-crystal act as a mega stone so it can go Ultra, but that's all, we don't need full cancermax back and nobody cares or wants Z-moves back

>>58592543 (OP)
I hope one movie involves a terracrystalized mega gigamax doing a Z move to defeat the boss.

>>58592543 (OP)
Z-Moves were ok. A way of giving pokemon a unique gimmick without another special form or ability. Some of the animations were fun too
Dynamax was boring

>>58592565
Dynamax is the biggest victory for macrofag gooners such as myself, as it implies there's a non-zero percent chance that in universe I can be crushed under a Dynamax Raichu's tummy. Conversely New Pokemon Snap's Secret Side Path is the biggest victory for microfag gooners such as myself, since in universe I can be shrank and then crushed under an unaware Ribombee's butt.

>>58592764
Megas are popular because they essentially create "new" Pokemon out of existing Pokemon and all people give a shit about are the Pokemon themselves. No one cares about faggy flashy explosions, scale x100 or sparkling hats that every mon gets the same of. Pressing a button to make your mon explode into a suped up, more evolved looking version of itself when needed is far more interesting

>frenchies get powered up forms
>hawaiians get traditional magic dances
>spaniards get type changing
>brits get… macro porn

>>58593971
At least until it happens to a mon who you'd rather see get a natural evolution instead, now you're forced to seethe forever because your mon has been deemed "no longer eligible to evolve further in a future game" and only sometimes gets to play with its Mega Evolution outside of Champions.

>>58593975
>brits get… macro porn
it's still a monkey's paw act at the end of it all, absolute shit fetish and megas are still the best thing this franchise has produced in terms of gimmicks.
T. macrofag

>>58592543 (OP)
this plus tera

>>58592830
The thing is if you start thinking about what it would actually take for a generic Pokemon’s “mega stat boost” to be able to compete with a proper mega getting a new ability and potentially typing it becomes immediately obvious something like a +20 boost to the 5 non HP stats would be pretty useless and any efforts to make it compete with the proper megas beyond that would risk breaking the game

>>58592805
>he appeals to people who don’t care about gameplay by making the gameplay different each gen
Huh?

>>58595026
mix-and-mega would be a good place to look at for starters

>>58595051
Yeah no they’re not letting you apply any megas stat boosts and abilities to any Pokemon lol

>>58595165
Ok, sure, but why not? If there were weaker variable mega stones - say a 60 or 75 BST boost with a specific ability (Adaptability on one, Filter on another, Prankster on a third, maybe one of them just gives something basic like Defiant but changes your type to Fighting...) and the stat boosts were meaningful but not OP (like, +20 to atk/def/spdef, or +35 to def and spdef at the cost of 10 speed) would it really be that crazy? I mean it really wouldn't be that bad imo.
>+30 Atk/SpAtk, Refrigerate/Aerilate/Pixilate
>+40 Speed, Volt Absorb, +Electric
>+15 Atk/Def/SpAtk/SpDef, Adaptability, -secondary type
>etc
Would probably be really, really interesting.

Hoping my favorite starter doesn’t get into a legends Galar game. Its chance at a new form being wasted on gigantamax, fuck no

>>58592543 (OP)
I liked Z-moves for the alternate secondary effects that a lot of status moves got.
Dynamax deserves to be forgotten.

>Remove the stupid Z-Move dances.
>Remove Dynamax and keep Gigantamax.
>Remove the crappy hats from Terastal.
It's finally starting to look right.