Underrated. Muh Scorpion and muh kung fu fantasy fags hated it, but for me robo Smoke and urban locations were just as good if not better.
Ultimate was fine but clearly unfinished.

>>11791267 (OP)
/vr/ iconoclasm needs to die

>>11791292
I was 11 years old in 1995. Everyone knew this game sucked even back then. You’re not fooling anybody!

>>11791307
I've never met someone over 30 who likes modern gaming more other than casual gamers who would never be nerdy enough to even know what 4chan is. You're not that rare diamond, you're a zoomer faggot complete with wokeness

>>11791351
Oh man we have
>tranny
>zoomer
>wokeness
Maybe call me a cuck next? Because your shitty pet game sucks? You know the only reason we have UMK 3 was because the reception to vanilla was so lukewarm right? It’s not a great game, sorry!

>>11791267 (OP)
Agree, MK3 was based. Also lol at the bot replies

>>11791267 (OP)
>muh "Kung fu fags"
Explain how that particular demographic hated it when both Liu Kang AND Kung Lao were playable in vanilla MK3. I could understand if one or both were excluded in favor of some more Stryker-tier characters. (And I like Stryker, so no insult implied.)

>>11792135
Ask any MK2fag who calls MK3 "not my MK".

>>11791267 (OP)
(U)MK3 >>> MK2

I remember not hating it. Mk2 was better, but 3 was certainly more mid nineties. The "no Johnny cage and Scorpion" was a hard sell for me since those were always my favorite MK characters, but guys like Kabal, Cyrax and unmasked Sub zero made up for a lot.

>>11791267 (OP)
The gameplay itself was decent, you could do way more things and actually have a an ok 1v1. But the goofy fatalities and the explosions of thousands of repeated mannequin parts ruined it for me.
Kintaro and Goro were way cooler than Motaro too.
Trilogy was really the culimation of 2D Mortal Kombat (I wish it was included in the new collection)

>>11791267 (OP)
ngl the contrast is hot

>>11791267 (OP)
>Ultimate was fine but clearly unfinished.
the fuck? mk3 was the clearly unfinished version.

>>11791267 (OP)
>>11792664
Sonia's boobs are bigger than Jax. no hate. don't censor her sexboobs!

Was UMK3 always planned to be made? The short release time between MK3 and UMK3 just feels too suspect. It also feels like they were filming the female ninjas at the same time as the MK3 characters based on behind the scene footage.

>>11791267 (OP)
>Jax with flesh arms
False advertisement!

>>11793178
Almost definitely. They were pushed both to deliver on 3 to arcade operators, then the home versions of 3, and then Ultimate to make arcade operators happy again. The hype was huge.
>>11791385
Where would an 11 year old be plugged in? Cuck.
All I recall is some grumbling that Scorpion was missing and the kode gimmick falling flat. Smoke made up for the former.

>>11793178
not planned at all. people just hated mk3 so much that midway had to shit out umk3 just to keep arcade operators happy

>>11792156
I frankly don't care enough to hear them out. I literally already explained why it was unreasonable for "Kung Fu" people not to like it. Kang and Lao are BOTH there, no excuse.
>but..but..but every single stage didn't look like the courtyard from MK1 so it lost that "mystical" feeling!
Yeah my guy, MK3 didn't copy Enter the Dragon 1:1 like MK1, so that's a disadvantage. Alright then .

>>11794204
>>11791385
MK3 was disliked initially because no ninjas, that's literally all there was to it. If you weren't a kid from the 80s-90s you just won't understand how or why ninjas were such a fixation but they were.

The MK ninjas were by far the most popular MK characters, excluding them would be like excluding Ryu/Ken from SF. You can say the "Ryu/Ken" of MK is meant to be either Liu/Johnny, or Liu/Kung Lao, but that didn't matter because popularity wise, it was Scorpion/Sub Zero, and ninjas in general were just very "cool" to kids of the day.

>>11792664
Jax looking zesty.

>>11795828
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tWE7G1WLEY&pp=ygULbWsgamF4IHJhaW4%3D

>>11791385
>Journos complaining about 2D graphics
This was typical but just like today, nobody gives a fuck about journo sensationalism as they are obsessed with consooming new shiny things. Film, game, music, comic books, whatever the medium the critics/journos are always trend obsessed short sighted retards who don't represent "the streets" of the hobby but rather their greater interests in the industry trends.

Nobody has much nostalgia for pre 3 Tekken, or VF at all in the West, but these guys swore it was more popular just because it had polygons, polygons that didn't age acceptibly compared to the 2D games of the time.

Meanwhile, it mentions some fan detraction of MKIII which is exactly this >>11795807 just like the real reason SFIII was a bomb wasn't just that 3D fighters were taking over (they actually were, by then) but because the SF loyalists themselves didn't want a brand new cast of nobodies
>but the competitive hardcores don't care about characters, they just want gameplay with any designs at all!
Competitive scene never amounted to sales

>>11795851
>>but the competitive hardcores don't care about characters, they just want gameplay with any designs at all
marvel vs capcom infinite crashed and burned pretty spectacularly, proving this to be utter bullshit

>>11795921
True, and wasn't that the main excuse from Capcom?
>Look nobody cares if theres Magneto because Captain Marvel plays the exact same way!

>>11791267 (OP)
why are all their teeth so weird? sonya looks like she has shark animal teeth, kung lao looks like he has horse teeth, and kano looks like he has tiny chicklet teeth

>>11795807
I preferred Raiden. I'd argue I've seen about as many Raiden players as SZ and Scorp.

That being said... no, no one cared about the Ninjas for MK3. MK3 didn't do as well because MK was a novelty game and not a very good one overall. It was basically an improved gorey version of fucking Pit-Fighter. And once you've seen it once, twice... the third time is just... kind of there. The new babilities and animalities added little novelty but again was about finding out secretive finishing moves and practicing them and in 1995... arcades were starting on their way out losing visibility. If you enjoyed MK series before 3, you had 1/2 at home to play... so again, you could get your Pit-Fighter fix on while shit like Tekken and Tekken 2 and Virtua Fighter were starting to take root. Tekken 2 was the fucking hotness in 1995...
MK was just past it's prime as well as arcades. Some people latched on... picked up MK3 on cheap. It wasn't bad... but it simply didn't have the pull. Similar with Street Fighter - even though they manage to ride the funk wave out a bit... it was a common joke to say Street Fighter 8 EX-Alpha Challenger Omega Turbo Edition because they kept re-releasing the fucking game in so many forms... die-hards latched on to 3rd strike scene especially on dreamcast with it's early release... but everyone... stopped fucking caring about Street Fighter, at least until SS4, basically giving a small shot of life after 10-11 years of no-one caring and SF is sort of having a resurgence... but let's be honest here - it's largely because 3D babes holding that game up. Like Juri and Cammy are doing a lot of work for that game. And like the one thing people know about SF6 is cammy had redesign and Dat ASS 2 phat, woop woop. Though there has been a resurgence of fighting scene players with new players because of all that and Smash etc...

>>11796002
Really, I'm actually kind of amazed Capcom hadn't Sega'd out on Street Fighter or that MK games are even still made.
Did you know there are 25 fucking MK games? Or like 36 or 40 Street Fighter games depending on how you count the vs shit... I doubt really anyone knows or fucking cares. Both of those series are such watered down resold shovelware shit and still have problems that existed thirty years ago for all the new kids to re-discover why fighting games were largely fucking ass. But at least they get more realistic titties for those hormones this time around. I would have been in love with that shit as a kid if I had that shit growing up... just finding lewd shots in gaming magazine was a treat until Iron-mouse Shrines.

>>11795986
Makes you double look.

>>11796002
Stopped reading after the first line. MK was one of the biggest media trends of the 90's, you're either GenZ or not American.

The MK ninjas were definitely the most popular, in either case. Raiden comes in below them along with the more iconic other characters, but the ninjas were always the most popular.
>kept reading
Oh it's the Tekken LARPer, had this argument too many times. Tekken is still nowhere as big as SF and MK in popular culture/memory, there's a reason any casual gamer can mimmick a "HADOUKEN" or "GET OVER HERE" but only hardcore fighting game fans can name a Tekken character other than Jin or Yoshimitsu, because Tekken 3 was when the franchise was mainstream casual, and pretty much the only time.

>>11796056
>never mimicked roundhouse to triple spin kicks

>>11796078
I mean I did but I'm a "fighting gamer" and was a retarded kid, I'm talking more about the casual sphere. Tekken 3 was definitely the closest Tekken was to being a trend/phenomenon in gaming but I feel like by Tekken 4, it became pretty much just fighting gamer fare as FPS took over the entire "casual vs" market

The thing is the MK movie was really successful, SF was just the first so it always had that recognition/jus about anyone with a SNES or Genesis had a copy of SFII laying around, and those were firing and established during the prime of the genres popularity, while Tekken was just starting up, hit it's stride at T3, and after that the arcade era was over and every little shithead and dudebro was playing Halo or CoD. SF and especially MK which I feel like was as much a 90s trend as shit like TMNT or Power Rangers, were like larger parts of "kid culture" than Tekken was, I have a lot of nostalgia for the Tekken OVA and hunting down those awful action figures they made....but not many else I talk to seem to even remember it, but I also had all the Fatal Fury animes on tape and was borderline obsessive about the genre as much as I could afford to be, my experience isn't that of the average, who tend to have a lot of fond memories for Tekken 3 the most of all

>>11796056
No one's saying Tekken was as big. But fighting games got kind of tired and 3D fighting games were the vibes. Were they "AS" big or loved in that regard, no, but people still played them because like MK, they were the new hotness.
They however also tended lack memorable lines... like they just didn't. I don't know why, no one gave a fuck. No one had any dialogue or memeable shit in DOA, Tekken, Soul Blade/Calibur... anything.
The point was... when Tekken came around it was the fad. People were playing SF2 still or Tekken really. SF2 was the big one, it's still the go to for old gamers. Shit I remember back in 98 we had a tournament in my school during our Christmas... thirty people. Everyone knew how to play the game and had played at least some Tekken game before. I doubt you could ask any of them to remember shit about it today or how impact it was though. I gurantee everone can do a fucking hadouken or hurricane kick - because yeah... SF2 basically launched that shit and set the standards. No one gave a shit about playing MK or variant of SF in 1998.. because SF2 was old and no one cared about the 5th version released in two years of a remade game with a couple new characters.

>>11795807
MK3 was less popular because it was played out already by 1995. Taking out the most popular characters didn’t help which is why they had to cobble together an upgrade later that year.
The digitized graphics and gore which felt cutting edge 3 years earlier now felt cheesy and out of date. 3D fighters were becoming the mainstream option and hardcores still had Capcom and SNK stuff. MK was a fad at this point and cracks were showing.
This isn’t a new or contrarian opinion gotten from Youtuberrrz people have felt this way about the game for decades.

>>11795851
If this is the same magazine im thinking of they gave a really good RPG like a D rating because it wasn't Final Fantasy VII. They're like the original Kotaku and they went bankrupt first.

>>11796056
Okay look at this fucking mess... look how many fucking games no one fucking cared about from Capcom... they couldn't stop shitting SF games and the only time people cared was the arcade X-Men one because that shit was tight at the arcade. At home it was barely a thing.

Capcom couldn't help shovelwaring their best fighting game so much that people got tired of that shit... it was fucking ridiculous. And unlike you GenA babbies.... we didn't pre-order that shit... we let it fucking die.... largely because most people barely knew what the internet was and it wasn't something you'd typically do barring FF7's crazy marketing.

Like nothing touches SF2... but also... outside of the shit no one cares. Everyone knows cammy from porn - but she's not even considered a proper OG character because OG's didn't give a fuck about the New Challengers shit. It was considered a fucking joke tacking on random ass extra characters to the same game to resell to people for the fifth time in two years and no one was fucking buying who already had SF2... which was everyone. SO ironically... despite coming out so early... Cammy is more of a 'modern' character if anything and is more popular with newer street fighter than older street fighter outside of the niche hardcore fighting scene... no one fucking knows who the fuck T.Hawk. I couldn't find you a single old gamer I know who could tell you what the fuck a Fei-Long and Dee Jay is. No one knows them or how to play them or that they exist. All people know about Cammy is dat ass, and it's more prevalent from again shit like SF4 and SFV now more than anything outside of porn based on spritesheets.

>>11796165
So yeah... both SF and MK are two of the most horrifically handled series in history and both developers should have bit the dust long before Sega... but here we are.somehow these series are going until they have 50... 100... games no knows about....

>>11796153
It doesn't really add up with reality though because MK3 came out the same year as the MK movie, which was a huge year for the brand. MK didn't really dwindle in popularity until the time of MK4/MK Annihilation, both of which weren't very well received.

I understand and know how magazines and critics were all anti-2D being blinded by polygons the same thing happened in animation once Toy Story and all that shit came out, but it just doesn't add up to me because I never saw MK become less popular until MK4, which coincidentally, is also around the time of Tekken 3, which is the first Tekken game I remember anyone really caring about on a big level, which is to say not just the arcade scene but casually.

>>11796150
In my experience, SF was never as popular to casuals as MK, like in my entire life. Even post childhood I always noticed a direct discrepancy between SF having more fandom online within like gamer communities, but MK being way more popular in real life amongst "normies".

Even in the 3D era, I'd be playing like MvC2 or Capcom vs. SNK still with the couple hardcore fighting game fans I knew locally, but going over to Joe blows house to get drunk or w/e, only fighting game options always seemed to be MK Deception or Armageddon, maybe a Tekken or Soul Calibur, but always MK because the branding and nostalgia was just so much greater

Even the weeaboos I knew like the real dorky kids didn't seem to care about SF or other Jap fighters, they wanted to play shitty DBZ games or Smash Bros. This is getting deep into anecdotal ranting but in my experience the SF/SNK enjoying crowds were like the most hardcore by late 90s-00s, and least casually enjoyed of all, while 3D fighters were more novel 6th gen for the few people still playing fighters casually and MK got by just because it was so near and dear to peoples hearts as a brand who grew up seeing the movie and shit

>>11796174
>>11796165
Tekken was the only 3D fighter anyone cared about stateside at all. Soul Calibur did come close around the time of like SC2 but it died when SC3 died. VF and DoA have always been b or tier popularity in the US.

>>11796174
Since you’re prone to using anecdotal personal evidence I will too - MKII was a fucking EVENT. There would be lines at the machine, a crowd would gather if a kid was good enough to get to the bosses. My birthday was around the game’s home release and we had a kid bring over his Genesis with his copy and we set up my SNES in the same room with a rental copy of MK2 and we had a dozen kids playing the game and fighting over a copy of Gamepro that had the moves. EVERYONE talked about it.
By contrast, 3 had a lot of hype…until it actually came out. None of my friends talked about the game, machines were more rare and never drew crowds like 2 did. It was over.

>>11796234
Again, MK3 disappointed a lot of people initially because they didn't have the fan favorite characters in it. It can't be understated how much the MK ninjas were/are beloved by a huge chunk of the fandom.

I'll even go this far, and say theoretically, if SF had more actually cool shotoclones, they'd have the same phenomenon. Everyone already loves Ryu/Ken/Akuma.....people didn't care for Sean cause well he's not cool and SFIII had the "no familiar characters" problem itself, plus coming out late in the genres tooth. But I guarantee if they had like two or three more shotos who had their own cool factor, they'd also be fan favorites. People love that "same template different flavor" shit, it's why Sonic is so popular among other things like Mega Man, colorful donkeys, etc.

>>11796268
Also just ranting, I like both the ninjas and the cyber ninjas. If I could do without any of them, I say Smoke is useless in either form since he just copies Scorpion, but Cyrax and Sektor are both cool and unique, just wish they gave Cyrax a different color since Scorpion was already yellow

As for the "new ninjas", I like Rain a lot and Noob idc about but I think it's a cool way to bring back the OG Sub Zero, and works in a kind of poetic way with the whole reborn specter thing since he dies by one and is reborn as one.

Ermac, to me is the one who felt like filler, I always could have done without him personally. His powers lacked a theme, the story they eventually came up with felt tacked on/lame, and the "telekenisis" moves were done better by Kenshi in Deadly Alliance IMO

>>11796268
>muh ninjas
i don't many people bought the Subzero spinoff either?

>>11796293
MK Mythologies was a pretty horrible game though and I remember it having that rep even back then, it too also came out in 1997 though alongside MK4 and MK Annihilation, so it was just another thing that year that soured people/already soured people weren't gonna bother picking up. Personally, I didn't even really know about it, I had bought MK4 but didn't know about Myhtologies till I saw it for rental (I didn't keep up with gaming magazines much then, bought occasional ones for codes and thats it) and I played it and knew it was shit aside from the storyline that I didnt get much of back then since the game was fuckig aids level frustrating

>>11796174
I'd say it sort of depends on area overall. The more ghetto the area, the more Sega Genesis'. They were cheaper or whatever and had sports games for the normies and arcade hits... then you combine that with the fact that MK was the better of the two on the Genesis, and SF didn't play well with three button controllers so only people who bothered to get a six button wouldn't really bother... and you have a bit of demographic divide. Poorer areas will have a love for MK more than SF because it was accessible, like soccer and the rest of the world. Other areas where the SNES did better or equal or in the arcades - SF was more or less ran the show. Not that people didn't do that and get a six button controller... but it was much smaller percentage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Sega_Genesis_games
MK sold 4.3 million on genesis. MK2 had a decline in sales even and was close to SF at like 1.6 mil. and 1 mil for MK3. So all three combined was 7 mill.

Compare to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Super_Nintendo_Entertainment_System_video_games

6,300,000 + 4,100,000 + 2,000,000 = 10 mil. Like twice as many units sold. Again, not really a quality argument - just how popular by sales. And Street Fighter on the SNES was like THE fighting game of it's era. But again, it's going to have a wider dispersion. If you were raised near a city... cities and urban areas would have had a higher density of MK players over-all, whereas SF was dispersed... so in a way, you feeling like SF was "online" which it definitely also was for sure... like it had a multiplayer community as well online even early on that MK didn't.

It's arguable that as many normies had second hand exposure to MK simply by being over their friends house to play some NBA/NFL/NBA games and their boy tosses in MK for a bit. Whereas SNES people had no friends... I had both. I had cousins with it. I regularly played Genesis with friends and occasionally SNES.

>>11796625
Also anectodally... despite having a SNES and multiple Genesis systems on multiple TVs hooked up at once.... and arcades for two SF games near me and two MK cabs, all in back of corner stores where the kids would play... literally two of them at the end of the block from a school.

No one played a MK tournament over my place. Everyone always got in on the SF2 action, always. People definitely played the arcade MK of course... but SF cab was always packed and harder to get a go on and competition was fierce.MK was just sort of silly shit everyone loved and played and made meme noises at copying raiden's gibberish or yelling "get over here!", no one took the fighting seriously... so definitely something normies liked to see and hear by extension. A likely nostalgia bomb for them. SF cabs were like - you're in the wrong neighborhood, we're gonna rob yer quarters son. Course guile ruined everything... once guile's broke ass shit got around... that game fell off hard. Wasn't even worth the quarter for some fucker to cab reset on your ass if he was losing, costing you both a quarter and the moment you got hit with that initial shock, you weren't risking even playing a guile, and people played it... and it snowballed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx0mBow9zjE

>>11796002
you were not there and you don't not know what you are talking about.

>>11796002
>in 1995... arcades were starting on their way out losing visibility.
lol fuckin wut??? no they absolutely were not
>Tekken 2 was the fucking hotness in 1995...
lol fuckin wut??? Tekken wasn't hot until Tekken 3
>die-hards latched on to 3rd strike scene especially on dreamcast with it's early release...
ok, you're a fucking moron
3rd strike was not latched onto in any way, people generally preferred alpha 3 over sf3 in general, and the DC port of 3s was widely panned by players
you are 100% just making shit up

>>11796690
>>11796696
Zoomies stayin mad.

>>11796721
nigger i'm 37
everything you're saying is just pure fantasy, like you couldn't make it more obvious that you weren't there

>>11796727
Explains it. You were a babby.

>>11796727
I just wanna point out of course that 1993 - 1988, means you were a bed wetting 5 year old who given 4chan, likely didn't even know how to read or count yet, as you're still learning to form coherent fucking thoughts.

Anyone who isn't a dumb fuck would of course not find a fucking five year old a reliable source of examining social dynamics and demographics as "being there" there as much as being more interested in sticking whatever lead painted toy you found in the sandbox in your mouth.

And it makes sense if you're the one saying it wasn't about the arcade, cuz your 7,6,,8, and 9th birthdays at chuck-e-cheese's and shit must have seemed like a fucking ride playing the decade old games.

But as you'll notice in the graph... arcades were getting the squeeze... they were popular in the 80s, then had a small resurgence and by the time you were five, they were on the downslide which was noticeable... if you were... you know... there as you said... you noticed less machines, less new games, less arcades... not huge at first... but by 2000... shit was effectively largely gone, barring a small handful of known bigger places hanging on with what they had.

>>11796721
Third Strike killed SF for a decade,bit wasn't popular.

Arcade nerds in 1999 is like saying the people still holding onto hair metal in 1994 meant it was largely popular. You can wish, but it's not true

>>11791385
>IMG
how to spot the iphone poster

You retards are pathetic
>"this game sold more 30 years ago!"
>"that game was more popular 30 years ago!"
Who the fuck cares about your shitty childhood? It's 20 fucking 25. We play these games now. MK3 still plays great and is enjoyable in this year by the way, regardless of what your 5yo asses thought about it back then.

>>11795807
>redditposter

>>11795807
As a kid I thought Cyrax was supposed to be Scorpion, since his net was basically the spear. At the time it made sense since Sub-Zero was "modernized".

>>11796286
>Smoke is useless in either form since he just copies Scorpion

You've got that backwards, Smoke is a faster Scorpion so he makes Scorpion useless, while Cyber Smoke is basically a better version of Sektor.

>>11791267 (OP)
ok..ENOUGH, give me all your old classic Sheeva slingkini images or else..

>>11797924
Well they could have just buffed Scorpion, but they were never gonna make a character people liked as much, Scorpion has too much a good backstory and gimmick

>>11797932
Her sweaty ass

Why is the debate always MKII or UMKIII

>>11799380
Because there's literally no point in playing MK3 when you can play UMK3 instead, the former has no advantages over the latter whatsoever.

The original Mortal Kombat is too primitive to compare to MKII, and MK4 is... well, MK4. Gross.

>>11799380
MK2 was the most popular among casuals, UMK3 was the most popular among competitive players
>>11800098
>literally no point in playing MK3
Unfortunately, UMK3 removed a lot of presentatiom details, like story screens, bios, endings. It doesn't matter from the comp point of view but still makes the game look rushed or unfinished

>>11796002
>>11796007
How to spot a zoomer
MK was fucking HUGE in the 90's, not even KI dethroned MK at its lowest in MK4

>>11800579
KI died way before MK4. It was Tekken 3 that dethroned MK.

>>11800118
So just play MK3 for the single player and UMK3 when you play people . Just like home vs arcade version of SFA3

>>11800098
MK3 has a bunch of stuff that they didn't put in UMK3
og MK is the best game in the series and has BDE
>>11800616
>Tekken
>dethroned MK
you don't know what you're talking about
>>11800746
So just eat shit

>>11800829
MK was dead in 1998-2002, everyone were playing Tekken 3.

>>11791385
3d meaningless hype.

>'some players'
good to know journalism hackery was already on the way down 30 years ago at least

how did this game release with kabal? literally anyone could immediately tell you he is overpowered.
>but sub-zero
yeah he had infinites but kabal just playing as intended was ridiculous
>what if we gave you an instant move that beats everything and grants a full combo every time

>>11800852
I remember magazines were clowning on MK4 PS1 port. Arcade version was decent but it was clear that MK was done for. At least until the PS2 era.

>>11800898
Magazines thought VF was popular , nuff said

Just like rock critics or film critics, journos are always wrong and not part of the real community. MK4 was goofed on even by fans, but it still got played more than any polygon fighter OTHER than Tekken3

>>11791267 (OP)
Vanilla had the best box art

>>11801276
VF is so fucking bad, it’s the ultimate testament to SEGA of Japan’s arrogance that they killed Eternal Champions to push that deathly dull slop.

>>11800852
>everyone were playing Tekken
you fucking idiot
shut the fuck up

>>11801276
We're talking about 1998 here. VF was basically dead too. Dreamcast port of VF3 was too late.
I actually liked Tekken 3 and MK4 both almost equally but only Tekken got a good looking port. MK4 looked like total shit on consoles and PC. Which was a shame because the arcade version graphics were insane for its time.

>>11801283
This

>>11797859
What's your fucking problem bitch? This is the official mk3 thread you bitch.
You can't do this. This is brutality
>>11800875
>kabal
They gave him the pass. Kaball sack.

>>11793347
>>11793475
So was it planned or not? what the fuck

>>11802738
it wasn't planned at all

>>11802761
are you fucking serious?

>>11802948
UMK3 was largely made because of fan backlash about the ninjas being missing.

Yes, it was that big a deal. Despite some people saying MK was done by 1995, it's not true, that was the year of the movie, and probably the peak of dedicated fanbase considering the brand was riding high off two games, establishing pretty much two generations of fans between older kids and little kids, and the ninjas were by far the most popular characters despite not being the "main heroes", ninjas were just kinda the rage, plus this was the age of anti-heroes, people generally liked the more dangerous, anti-social, shady etc characters in things so it's not that surprising people loved ninjas more than Liu and Johnny etc

>>11803184
>some people saying MK was done by 1995
the fuck? those people are retarded and weren't there. MK wasn't done until MK4 at the earliest

>>11803184
i fucking love reptile and all of his retarded vehicles

>>11803184
It's interesting to me how back in the original MK era, Scorpion got sidelined as a villain or rogue in most media never really getting much attention, but his intertwined plot with Sub Zero was well known by everyone. He really didn't get much spotline until starting with Deadly Alliance to the modern era, which normally would feel odd but Scorpion's importance was always held by the fans even if not the media, so it didn't feel weird but more just like "finally".

I'd say it's gone a bit too far in humanizing him though, like he's not interesting unless he's the vengeance bent specter forever grieving his family. When he's just "Hanzo" it's like, ok whatever.

>>11791267 (OP)
It was the only version I had. Playing as a Shokan was pretty badass, and Kabal was the shit.

>>11791385
>the gameplay hasn't changed much

Is this guy an idiot?
>added combos
>added run button
>added kombat kodes that let you change the rules of the fight

>>11803591
cooking with scorpion

>>11803591
>When he's just "Hanzo" it's like, ok whatever.

Still better than Kuai-Liang being Scorpion, that still doesn't sit right with me.

>>11803184
It's not JUST because the ninjas were missing (Scorpion being absent makes no sense, I know Daniel Pesina left/was fired/gone but they could have just as asily dressd someone else up in a Scorpion costume, as John Turk eventually did) but the new cast just didn't really reasonate much with people. Stryker was fucking boring, Sheeva didn't carry the weight everybody wanted to experience playing as a Shokan, the cyber-ninjas were obviously substitutes but weren't intresting, aside from bringing back Sonya and Kano it was mostly a miss.

>>11804019
OP here.
Missing ninjas didn't bother me a bit. Robots were cool. Having ninjas back in UMK3 was cool though because John Turk and Becky Gable were 10 times better than Pesina and whoever did female ninjas in MK2.

>>11804019
only gamers with big meaty cocks play Stryker in MK3
>>11804091
don't talk shit about my Pesina you son of a bitch

>>11804309
Pesina sucks

I don't think UMK3 was planned, at least not initially. Part of their marketing for MK3 is that they were not afraid to move up in numbered sequels and weren't going to release a Super Mortal Kombat 2. Seems stupid to say that if you're releasing an upgraded version shortly after.
I think they felt the pressure of early feedback with prototype versions of not liking the direction of the urban setting and the upcoming released that had arcade owners ordering less, so they came up with "oh no no no, we're adding ninjas later" and quickly started working on it.
The Ninjas all feel hastily put in together, don't fit the theme at all and feel like they don't belong there story, theme and even gameplay wise.
Notice how the only added characters were the male/female ninjas, so they just had time to quickly add two new characters and changed their colors to add 7+ new characters. Sure it's something they had done before but they went overboard with it

>>11804819
Idk why ninjas would fit less than Shaolin monks or the dark fantasy monsters from Outworld, it's not as if MK3 took a hard turn into urban sci-fi or anything, it still had supernatural elements etc

I think they just thought they could replace the ninjas with cyber, but underestimated their popularity. MK devs have always been keen on new characters replacing old, but they never count on how loyal fanboys are and I think it annoys them lol

>>11804345
fuck you bitch, you're wrong

>>11795807
>and ninjas in general were just very "cool" to kids of the day
cringy boomers

>>11806005
kids of the day were millennials and late gen xers you fucking retard

>>11806013
cringy poor bastards with porn induced erectile dysfunction

>>11791267 (OP)
That's exactly how I felt. MK3 had it's aesthetic and direction nailed down flat. UMK3 felt like a complete mess of ideas thrown at a wall.

>>11791307
Okay zoomer.

Was this ever explained?

>>11806078
crazy how nature make dat

>>11791267 (OP)
MK3 is when the series started to look like a cheesy American straight to video movie, instead of a cool older Asian martial arts film.

>>11806178
For me, MK1 is cheesy and MK3 is cool

>>11806078
It's kinda lazy how they just re-used a cool fatality as his animality, but in general most of the animalities kinda sucked. I don't think characters turning into animals is supposed to be canon. Maybe Shang Tsung could, idk, if he really tried hard enough maybe he could.

>>11806693
I loved MK3 animalities. UMK3 ones were weird though.

>>11806078
>>11806693
>I don't think characters turning into animals is supposed to be canon
Animalities were explicitly referenced in the second Mortal Kombat movie, and I'm pretty sure it's been referenced elsewhere as well, albeit with characters were it makes more sense.
As to what moves are canon is all open to interpretation, we rarely see characters do fatalities in "official canon", hell in official canon there aren't even that many deaths if you really think about it, at least not in the original timeline.
The few that we got were all undone by the next game basically.
But yeah if you want to argue if they can turn into animals, can they turn them into babies? does scorpion have all those toys from his Friendship? Did an arcade machine really fall into the opponent in canon?

>>11806019
You're talking about zoomers. Zoomers are so fucking dumb how they think because THEY grew up with cell phones and porn that we did.

We played outside in the 90s, you cringey little incel faggot. And stop LARPing as us, you were 1 years old when Slipknot/Korn were popular, this was our adolescence not your era whatsoever, stop dressing as adult versions of us when we were 12 with your "in this moment i am euphorically early 00s" bullshit. You also don't really remember 5th and 6th gen gaming, so stop talking about it.

>>11806835
it is a funny accusation considering this is a thread for an arcade fighting game, aka when gaming was still social and people went outside to interact with others, while zoomers only play online from their NEETrooms

>>11806078
In MKII, it was just Liu Kangs fatality, and fatalities were already becoming a little over the top then, though not to the extent of 3. When they gave everyone an "Animality", they went with that mystical neon look to make it look like a spirit animal or something so they just changed Liu's to match everyone elses.

Though it's hilarious to imagine Scorpion's spirit animal is a penguin who plays explosive eggs or whatever crazy shit.

>>11806846
whoever heard of a penguin named Scorpion

>>11806825
> second Mortal Kombat movie
the one that said Shao Kahn and Raiden are brothers? and that Shinnok is their father?
you think that shit's canon?
you're retarded.

>>11806960
didn't they make this song for the movie?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sr1bLLvsbh0

>>11806980
so?

>>11806907
They gave Sheeva the scorpion animality so Scorpion got penguin, must have been a joke

>>11806835
>when Slipknot/Korn were popular
cringe

>>11807470
Yeah, so idk why zoomers are obsessed with claiming it as their culture, prob cause they're cringe and can't even like rock music unless it has cheeto hair and "urban influence"

>>11806980
No actually, that song was used in the first movie as the theme but it was made for "Mortal Kombat the album" which aside from that, has techno songs based on all of the characters.

>>11806835
Millenials literally did grow up with cell phones unless you were a poorfag

>>11807485
Late Millennials maybe....no little kid had a cell phone in the fucking 90s, in the first half of the 90s they were usually attached to cars or the size of bricks you fucking retard. Cell phones didn't become available for kids until the 00s, and not common until mid.

Late Millennials are just Zoomers who remember slightly more Millennial shit.

>>11807519
and the bigger point in this context, 90s brick cellphones didn't have internet and social media didnt exist lol

>>11807020
what do you mean so? go fuck yourself
>>11807479
they should've made it for the movie
>techno songs based on all of the characters
they any good?

>>11807580
>what do you mean so?
I mean, so what? who cares? what's that got to do with anything?

>>11807479
>Yeah, so idk why zoomers are obsessed with claiming it as their culture,
we got post Malone, much better musician and lyricist

>>11807605
post malpne is a drooling moron and only a complete fucking retard would consider what he does to be music

>>11807631
jelly bastard >>11807631

>>11807580
>they any good?
I guess that depends, I greatly enjoy it because 90s eurotrash techno with black women singing about how Kano is a real cool guy amuses me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdKHXOaDj-A&pp=ygURbWsgdGhlIGFsYnVtIGthbm8%3D

>>11807661
luv me kano
>>11807598
what a prick. fuck you

>>11807707
>wah someone was dismissive to me on 4chan
ultra soft

>>11807738
who are you quoting.
yeah, when you act like a cunt, it annoys people. if you were raised right you would know that

>>11807748
you have to go back.

>>11803184
why did the ninjas have cat ears sometimes, in the games they only looked this way in mk4 too

>>11807751
no :)

>>11797921
Why did they change him like that anyway? I hated Sub-Zero's new look as a kid.
To me the ninjas were the coolest looking characters. It did seem really weird that they went from basically including too many to cutting the main characters.

>>11807945
>Why did they change him like that anyway
because he left the Lin Kuei in protest of the cyborg ninja initiative

>>11807945
storywise, this >>11807952
but i also thought it was just because he was very popular, thus younger sub zero being a good guy unlike the first, and eventually unmasking to look more heroic, basically to push him more as one of the earthrealm heroes

>>11807952
>>11807986
Did they say this stuff in the game or was that just in comic books or something? It sounds vaguely familiar, but I think I'm remembering it from one of the newer games.
(I actually saw Mortal Kombat in the theaters and I'm pretty sure that was the same day I got a GameBoy Pocket, which was extremely new at the time. I remember being in the theater and being wowed at how I could see the screen, even in the low lighting of pre-dimmed movie theater)

Can we have a MK without fucking redditposter?
>>11807519

>>11808023
yes, this was in the games

>>11807043
Kinda makes sense Sheeva was a scorpion, since they have six legs, and she's got four arms and two legs. Closest thing otherwise would be spider and I think Kano got that one.

>>11808114
Ohhh I think I might kind of remember. MK3 is the one that would show the character and have loads of text during the insert coin/attract mode sections, I think...

>>11808081
you sir win le 4chan

>>11808168
How fucking dare you. Show some respect!

>>11791267 (OP)
Best lore in the series

>>11791267 (OP)
We had a playground rumor about Kabal. We believed that he was Johnny Cage who was disfigured either by Baraka or Reptile.

>>11808238
I mean you're not that far off from what they decided his backstory was in MK9

>>11808081
>newfag zoomer who only got "into" fighting games because they're a soiboi /co/ transplant and likes the marvel bullshit
go away, recognizable fag. you haven't been on 4chan longer than five years

>>11808360
Fuck off newfag, I'm on 4chan since 2004

>>11808362
your posts are obvious, you're the same retard who used to shit on SNK and MK while crying about "white trash" so it's obvious what you are. in 2004 4chan was a neo nazi site, you wouldn't have been here trust. you're the "reddit" that killed the site

>>11808370
Go redditpost somewhere else, newfag.

>>11807485
>00s baby acts like they know the 90s
Why is this shit so rampant, you were born in 1999 you don't remember the 90's.

>>11808370
>4chan was a neo nazi site
It was an anime imageboard you dumb zoomer

>>11808386
>doesn't know we posted kkk propaganda as memes all day like around blacks and the greedy merchant, and that was 4chans sense of humor
newfag who would have literally cried at how hateful we were allowed to be on the real 4chan, go back wokester

>>11808386
You really are a zoomer aren't you, pretty much all weeaboos back in the Millennial days were neo nazis lol. Where do you think the "Japanese are honorary whites" shit comes from, pretty much this website.

>>11808393
>>11808396
Why are you samefagging, redditposter?

>>11808393
>we posted kkk propaganda as memes all day
You weren't even born yet

>>11808396
>it's a "some teenage shitheads posting about happy negro 20 years ago actually means all of 4chan was neo nazis on some culture warrior crusade" episode

>>11808370
>being white and anti woke is neo nazi
Leftie propaganda. Why are you here in the first place?

>>11808393
none of that is true, newfag
people said nigger and faggot and made swastikas in the habbo hotel raids for the lulz, it wasn't ideological and it wasnt sincere
you were never there in the old days, you speak about it like some faggot tumblrite from 2014
a real oldfag would be talking about duckroll, LOIC, and the jailbait board

>>11808117
None of this shit makes sense. Niggas popping up to say "Toasty!" during kombat. Nobody notices. Nobody stops fighting, nobody fucking turns around and is like "Hey, who's this fucking guy that says 'Toasty!' every time we uppercut somebody?" They too focused on saving Earth realm. Here kids can go to school--it's good school! God bless you, Earth realm!

>>11806980
That one is from a techno album made for the very first game in like 1993. They reused the theme song for the movie because it was a fucking baller theme.

>>11807580
>they any good?
The people behind the moniker 'The Immortals' were basically the group Lords of Acid. So if you enjoy that kind of trashy Euromusic it's fun.
Give Scorpio and Goroh a listen.
>fowh ahms off terrah!

>>11808454
>>11808479
>>11808489
Same butthurt zoomer.

Btw, Street Fighter is a beta male franchise. Only MK was popular to American(not minority) chads in the 90s.

>>11808381
Yeah this retard expects anyone to believe they're a 90s kid when they just said "every kid had a smart phone in the 90s".

Another zoomer bladee/100gecs fag LARPing as a 90s kid when they were born in 2000.

>>11809542
Fuck off, roodypoo.

>>11809679
everybody already knows multiple ways to fake that shit, you ain't slick

>>11809549
You're the most anti MK retard here because you actively ruin every MK thread with your schizophasia.

>>11810086
>blah blah blah
i'm not even that guy you're bitching at but here's my AI Rain redesign that's actually cool, idc shut up guy

>>11809549
Fuck off, redditposter

>>11808772
>Goroh
I fucking love that shit bitch,

Robots are cool and Sal Divita is cool. I don't get the hate. He's no John Turk but better than Pesina.

>>11810454
MK3 roster is great in general except Sindel who isn't athletic

Lol vanilla MK3 was so bad I returned it and asked for MK2 instead.

No ragrets.

>>11810474
>returned the arcade machine
Dummy

>>11810474
Why? Are you stupid?

>>11810454
>better than Pesina
fuck off, /vr/ is a pesina positive board
>>11810474
what a little bitch

>>11810839
You mean Carlos Pesina. Daniel sucks.

>>11810718
what the fuck are you babbling about?

>>11810474
Based.

MK3 had actually good gameplay, choreography and character designs, three firsts for the Mortal Kombat series. Utterly based game.

>>11811160
It had more advanced gameplay due to addition of dial-a-combo, that's about all I'll give you. MK1 was janky as hell desu, but MK2 fixes it and plays fine, whether you like that gameplay style without a focus on long combos is irrelevant to whether it's executed well or not, which it was.

As for choreography and character designs, big time subjective. I like how it's differnet, but how is it different? The choreography in the old games is more stiff, but more "realistic" martial arts based (generic, but yes more realistic than stylized superhuman takes on martial arts). MK3 had more over the top animations and poses, and it was cool.

As for costume design, this is the most subjective brah. MK3 went in a more comic book direction than b-martial arts, some like it more some don't, I don't really care either way, it's all cool.

>>11811207
>It had more advanced gameplay due to addition of dial-a-combo, that's about all
It's less stiff, less clunky, and has a lot more moves that can be comboed into other moves even if you don't count chain combos.

>>11811214
This is how I always felt. In MK3 Smoke can combo from jump kick into teleport into spear and finally into uppercut. Good luck doing the same with Scorpion in MK2. Also MK2 has that nasty movement bug where forward and back taps stop working correctly in the middle of the fight and the character does full steps before changing direction.

>>11811207
there was a transition, ninjas for comparison. original mk ninjas full cloth outfits, mk2 was still cloth but added those motocross mouth guards that maybe unintentionally made them look more stylized or "modern", and then mk3 gave them full like spandex/leather looking superhero type outfits. i like them all

>>11811241
Turtlefags don't like MK

>>11810940
Shut up you bitch.
>>11811247
>there was a transition
Did it go well for you?
>>11811430
You take that back.

>>11795807
I don't know a single person who ever gave two shits about liu kang. Even my friend who didn't play them much but always knew about them thought scorpion was the main character

>>11811247
And then they started using different versions in MK4 rather than everybody using the same costume.

>>11811430

>>11812446
You'r really gonna diss my boy liu Kang like that

>>11791385
>UK video game rag "criticism"
>ever valid
oh, man. oh, boy. oh, geez. oh, no.

>>11812893
Don't you fucking talk shit about my EGM you bastard!

>>11812893
BLOODY ELL MATE, MEGA MAN IS A FUCKIN POOF ME LAD SWEAR ON ME MUM. THE TOSSER IS BLUE AND SMILES, RUBBISH
>90s Brit game review

Is it true that Jax is broken in this game?

Am I the only one who really enjoyed MK4?

>>11814494
why would you think that?

>>11814509
it seems to be the most hated one

>>11814513
why would you think that?

Am I the only one who really enjoyed MK4?

>>11791385
EGM was notorious for having dogshit opinions, but I can't say MK3 was well received. UMK3 was the one everyone liked.

MK2 is still the best/second best in the franchise though.

>>11803591
Ed Boon was infamously known as a contrarian. He hated Liu Kang, then he briefly had a period where he hated scorpion, then he hated Mileena and Baraka, and now he hates Cyrax and Sektor.

>>11815232
I wish MK2 didn't play like stiff shit.

>>11791292
>>11791351
Vanilla sucked. Get over it everyone thought it sucked back then, if it were good Midway wouldn't have had to shit out UMK3 so quickly.

>>11815243
Stop playing it on Genesis/SNES

>>11815330
I am talking about the arcade. MK3 plays so much better.

>>11815380
MK3/UMK3 is so much better it's not funny. MK2 is preferred by people who don't play fighting games

>>11815398
Dial a combo isn't loved in the fgc

>>11815460
>one of the tools that you may or may not use
vs
>the whole game being busted

Yup, UMK3 still wins over MK2

>>11815460
>Dial a combo
They do such tiny damage that they are essentially no different than dialing a fireball up close except that you get damage per every button hit. Juggle combos are still the bread and butter of MK3. At least you could complain that it's easier to juggle in MK3, that would make you look as a legit MK player, though many consider it an improvement.
Dial-a-combo is such a non-issue that only a complete retard who can't dial a sequence of button presses would complain about having them in game.

>>11812513
Man MK4 was such a stale piece of shit even back then, the awkward cartoony 3D models and the ridiculous animations, the weird voice acting that sounds like a badly localized game dubbed in japan by whoever could barely speak english, BUT DONE IN AMERICA!

>>11815563
Dial a combo is the only thing that makes MK3 different from MK2
>but running
Irrelevant other than to into dial a combo

>>11806078
>Was this ever explained?
Midway needed a new type of finisher and thought of animalities. Problem is that clay models are time consuming to create and animate (can also fall apart like the Goro model did), so added a shitty filter over the models to hide the imperfections and speed up development time. Also doesn't help that the finisher sound is slapstick to fuck.

https://youtu.be/Jw54jqwn8AY

I really dislike MK3 as the quality of the series took a massive nosedive with this entry. At least with MK9 even with its major flaws brought the tone of this story in line with the previous two.

>>11815692
>Dial a combo is the only thing that makes MK3 different from MK2
You haven't played either at a high level. MK3 has better inputs and framedata has been tuned for consistency, i.e. you are less likely to drop a juggle because of your screen position which happens all the time in MK2.
>running
>Irrelevant
Run jabbing is one of the main competitive mechanics.

>>11816323
you really gonna hate on my boy MK3 like this?

>>11814565
why would you think that?

>>11799380
MK4 isn't very good (only valuable for memes), and MK1 is considered antiquated. It's the same reason why no one talks about Street Fighter 1 ever...Like, at all.

>>11810454
Sektor is still MY GUY. I'm pissed his only proper representation by NRS was in fucking MK9.

>>11811160
>three firsts for the Mortal Kombat series.
Character designs and gameplay were top tier in MK2, you little shit.

>>11811207
>>11811207
>It had more advanced gameplay due to addition of dial-a-combo, that's about all I'll give you.
Ignoring the run button, combo chaining, stage interactions, and air juggling are we?

>>11815380
>>11815398
MK2 is slower paced and doesn't rely on memorizing complex combo chains. It relies strictly on neutral game and footsies, which makes it more dynamic in a play-by-play sense. Saying it "plays like shit" is just an outright lie. It plays great, even today. The only one I will concede that doesn't play well is MK1.

>>11817795
>memorizing complex combo chains

>>11817990
Never played as Smoke, Cyrax, Kitana, or Ermac, I take it?

>>11817990
Yes, complex, as in "difficult to pull off". The timing window, and even execution order speed, is far more punishing than most other fighting games.

>>11817752
Yeah as much as I love MK as a series, the original entry has become kinda pointless aside from the nostalgia factor. Like MK2 is literally just a better version of it if you like that gameplay style.

MK4 I don't hate as much as others, it looks silly, the voice acting is hilarious, and the gimmicks like throwables and weapons/impaling make it feel less serious, but I will say the CORE gameplay isn't bad itself, it's still very "classic mortal kombat" even with the sidesteps, but the goofiness of it and gimmickyness make it an odd duck entry

>>11817795
Speaking of this, general question.....how does anyone feel about dial-a-combo vs. like chain combos like that of Darkstalkers and Marvel? They're pretty similar ideas executed differently

>>11818118
It was executed horribly in UMK3, then in Deadly Alliance and Deception it was worked on to work better, but still awkward. MK9, 10, and 11 unironically handle it the best.

>>11818118
>how does anyone feel about dial-a-combo
It was executed horribly in UMK3, then in Deadly Alliance and Deception it worked better, but still awkward. MK9 made it work, 10, and 11 unironically handle it the best.

out of the 3d era, i feel deadly alliance had the best look. deception is kind of better as a game in some ways, but that and armageddon were where the art style got too cartoony for lack of a better term

I don't know what you guys are talking about, og MK is the best and has BDE

>>11817780
Cyrax mogs him.

>>11818570
The only time Quan Chi didn't look like the biggest nerd in the game. Other iterations of him look too big headed but skinny, too old manish, etc etc. Somehow only this design looked right to me

>>11817990
>difficult to pull off
For a kid, maybe. Reptile combos is not the gameplay of MK3.
MK2 is too sluggish and gets boring quickly on player matches. It's not dynamic at all.
I still prefer it solely for the art and that the fatality logo bleeds.
>>11818118
At the end of the day MK4 isn't a good game.

>>11818570
Yea, sure, but what the fuck were they thinking when they made Bo Rai Cho, Movado, Nitara, and fucking Hsu Hao?

Drahmin, Frost, and Kenshi were cool though.

>>11818570
I definitely noticed that the graphics in Deadly Alliance felt better than Deception, for some reason. I guess because they had to make much larger environments for Deception, so they had to skimp on some of the smaller details?

>>11820046
Don't talk shit about my Bo Rai Cho, Nitara and Hsu Hao you little bitch.
Movado does suck though.