Thread 11807436

It felt like a work of art while other action games just felt like quarter munchers and toys.

It's okay. When it comes to beat em ups I prefer Captain Commando, Ninja Baseball Batman and Turtles in Time.

>>11807436 (OP)
It’s the music, it makes you understand that something special is happening

They captured the tone of those 80s action thriller movies. The modern equivalent would be something like Sifu, a game that's basically kung-fu movie in video game form. Most of the best games ape movies.

if sor2 wasn't so generous with lives it would absolutely feel like a quarter muncher at certain points

>>11807548
Mania is brutally difficult while still very fair. A far cry from Capcom's dogshit AI and balance

I think the first two games taking place mostly at night gives them a unique feel as I remember most beat em ups taking place during daytime, at least their first levels. Which is kinda weird when you think about it. Also another reason the third game feels off aesthetically (I'm one of the weirdos who loves the soundtrack though).

>>11807436 (OP)
It's basically Temu Final Fight

>>11807436 (OP)
>print mags like diehard gamefan hype this like no tomorrow
>rent
>its total garbage

>>11809104
The thing is, it's a really good game... by Sega standards.

>>11809109
Streets Of Rage II sparks no joy. About half an hour in, the sheer flood of completely uninteresting enemies and drab backgrounds really does me in. Every single time. The game is garbage. Even jaleco did it better.

>>11809145
You lost.

>>11809215
sega lost

>>11807436 (OP)
The first game was better.

>>11809015
>It's basically Temu Final Fight

thats SOR1. SOR2 is very much its own thing
>>11807476
definitely most catchy soundtrack of all time besides megaman 2 and street fighter ii

>>11809015
The things SoR 2 does better than Final Fight are
>Maneuverability/environmental interaction via smaller sprites and more roomy backgrounds
>Intricacy of attack inputs and variations
>Not suffering from the genres "slog syndrome" by making strong enemies or bosses take 10000000 of the same hit over and over to beat, which is not fun, this isn't a fighting game, the combat is meant to be brief

What Final Fight does better
>Graphics and spritework

Sorry but at this point, it's clear the FF brigade are just Capcom fanboys or Nintendies who can't give up their brand loyalty in favor of objectivity based on actual experience playing these games individually for hours on end. SoR2 has a rep for good reason, as an underdog USUALLY a Capcom or Nintendo port would have all of the mainstream favor but this genre doesn't, and it drives your little consoomer mind mad.

woefully inferior to river city ransom

It was awesome back then, but now with every arcade game on my finger tip it's not that good anymore.

>>11809809
It mogs the shit out of those shitty quarter munchers. Those beat em ups were only fun with friends in the arcade. Playing them alone on your computer, you see how shitty they actually are. SoR2 on the other hand, timeless masterpiece work of art.

>>11809703
>jarpiggy upgrading crap
no, fuck off

>>11809810
Games need to be challenging to be fun, otherwise there is no strategy in it when you have infinite lives and can just do whatever you want.

>>11809838
Streets of Rage 2 on mania is a far better challenge than any shitty Capcom quarter muncher. There is like one person on earth that has completed it deathless, and then went on to complete it deathless with no food and with multiple characters, after thousands hours more of practice.

It's by far the most challenging and technical beat em up in existence.

>>11809842
All I can remember from this game was that you had like 10 lives. Maybe it's different on other difficulties, never played them.

For me, it's Knights of the Round. But really, Capcom always made the best belt action games. Nothing else truly compares.

>>11807476
There are at best three good tracks

>>11809851
Capcom always made mindless quarter munchers for retards. Their shmups sucked ass too.

learn how to 1cc arcade bmups and you'll never be able to go back to shites of rage and will see all its abysmal flaws, the only thing good about it is the music. It's clunky, overlong, eats inputs on higher modes, has absolutely no balancing so they just chucked lives at you like candy to get around it on higher difficulties, and teaches you bad habits whilst starving you of having to learn proper skills which are necessary to 1cc arcade bmups. It's passable by console standards and nothing more, can't hold a candle to the top 15 arcade bmups.

>>11809702
>this isn't a fighting game,
???
it's literally a game where you fight people

>>11809896
it's a beat em up, which is a game where you sidescroll through stages fighting hordes of enemies with hand to hand combat opposed to a hack n slash, which is weapons based

a fighting game, is defined by a vs. game where two opponent on a screen fight through rounds where combat is the core focus and has much more complex fighting mechanics than simple beat em ups, which fit broadly under the "action game" genre as a sub category

>>11809907
>fighting hordes of enemies
thus, a fighting game
I've literally never heard anyone use the definition of "fighting game" you're insisting on, like not once ever

>>11809892
>and you'll never be able to go back to shites of rage and will see all its abysmal flaws
Which is why people spend thousands of hours mastering its intricate systems to execute a deathless Mania run. Cope shitter.

No one gives a fuck about copy pasted Capcom quarter muncher slop

I hate Nintendies and their extreme inability to enjoy games released outside of their platforms. May you kill yourself video game haters.

>>11809874
You're not only retarded but shit at video games if you thought they were "quarter-munchers".

>>11809874
Sega always made shitty knock-off games and cheap hardware for brown third-worlders and autists who wanted to play sports games and sanic.

>>11809943
post your full 1cc.

>>11809941
Try that post again without sounding mad.

>>11809941
The Streets of Rage games were released on Nintendo platforms, multiple times. That's entirely thanks Sega shitting the bed because they were retarded and didn't know how to run a company.

>>11809958
no they weren't

>all this talk of clears
>no actual clears posted
Bunch of phony balonies.

>>11809959
https://www.mobygames.com/game/6633/streets-of-rage-2/releases/
Yes they were.

>>11809969
>trust me bro I saw it on this off-brand pajeet website nobody uses

>>11807436 (OP)
it's good, considered a classic for a reason
i do enjoy alien storm, and hyperstone heist too
>>11807456
i'm a lover of the capcom beatem ups as well, captain commando, king of dragons, knights of the rounds, dnd mystara series
you should try out cowboys of moo mesa, it's not a beat em up but it's sunset riders with anthropomorphic animals, arcade only, it's pretty fun and goofy

>>11809909
>I've literally never heard anyone use the definition of "fighting game" you're insisting on, like not once ever
That's a lie but I'll humor it. Go to youtube or google, type "top ten fighting games", and see what the results are.

There will be no beat em ups, because they're different genres and this is well known, even to you and your doofy troll, but go ahead, I indulged you.

>>11807436 (OP)
>It felt like a work of art
This is normal for Sega, the universal choice of patricians.

>>11810074
>trust me bro everybody knows it!
mhm. I think I'll just use common sense and call games where the object is to fight people, fighting games.

>>11809702
Agree

they got the details right
your movement has weight, and varies based on who you play as.
you've got a variety of moves, including lots of grappling options that vary based on whether you're in front or behind an enemy. and Max's most powerful moves are grappling from behind but you can't just flip over like the others can.
the hit detection and animation feels right. it avoids jank
and the presentation is off the charts for the Genesis. I'm not talking about pushing hardware limits. More like art direction and use of color specifically. It's gritty and vibrant at the same time.
and of course the music.

>>11809907
if a non-video game publication uses "beat'em up" or "fighting game" wrong, I can't get mad. you can't expect People or GQ magazine to know anything about video game genres.
anybody into video games should know the difference.
now I pose a new question:
if somebody uses the term "brawler," which of the two genres do you think they mean? I have my answer but I want to know yours.

>>11809958
>Sega shitting the bed because they were retarded
Sega was an arcade developer. It was obvious that they couldn't compete against the Nintendo toddler crowd. That's like saying all arcade developers are retarded because they all died out.

>>11811323
I don't really know, I've heard "brawler" used in a more casually descriptive way than as an actual genre, but my first instinct is to equate it with beat em ups more than vs. fighters.

Sega had awesome arcade games like Afterburner, Super Hang-On, Sega Rally, Daytona USA, Panzer Dragoon, Virtua Cop, Virtua Fighter, etc.
They were making great games, but those kind of games simply couldn't compete with Zelda, Super Mario, Donkey Kong Country, and all the RPGs the Super Nintendo had., because most gamers are casuals.

>>11811369
Sonic did compete with Mario and Donkey Kong, in fact, I believe DKC was a direct response to Sonic
>make him have furrowed attitude eyes, make it more Western! Mario is too cute to compete
Is all I see looking at this. And yes I know Rare is a Western developer, but they were developing for Nintendo, and they gave them the Donkey Kong IP for a purpose

But aside from that, I mean yeah, Segas arcade games are gonna be lost on anyone but the nostalgic, and in general that had more of a focus on multiplayer stuff given their arcade roots, Nintendo had a lot of the nerd favorites

>>11811323
brawler, beat em up, and fighting game are all synonyms

>>11811396
>beat em up, and fighting game are all synonyms
>two different genres are the same
that's like saying goth rock and goth metal are synonyms despite being totally unrelated, just because of theme. language doesn't work the way you think it works.

>>11811416
Rock and metal aren't the same thing though. they're characteristically different.
brawling, beating up, and fighting are all the same thing. in final fight you fight, you brawl, you beat people up. any of those terms is a proper descriptor.

>>11811417
Now some real autism can begin.

Rock and metal are in some contexts, the same thing. Specifically phase 1 heavy metal which is fairly synonymous with hard rock, only real hair split you can make is by segregating bands who have more danceable music with themes about women, sex etc to "hard rock" and bands with darker themes, less overt blues feelings, and some minor classical influence to "heavy metal". Of course, as the genre of metal expanded into many different sub genres of it's own, the distinction becomes more clear from other rock genres evolving beside the path of the metal genre.

Gothic rock and gothic metal aren't the same despite similar themes, because the roots are different and the "rules" are different. Gothic rock is evolved out of post-punk, on the opposite side of the coin as metal, and gothic metal is evolved out of metal be it nwobhm, doom, death, black etc, just with overt gothic themes and style.

Beat em ups and fighting games come from different roots and have different rules/playstyles to be defined. Beat em ups come from shit like Double Dragon, you need to sidescroll and fight horded of enemies with short health bars to get to a final stage, co op is the main purpose. Fighting games are vs. round multiplayer based on SFII rootaly, and the goal is simply to beat the other player, vs. is the main purpose.

>>11811381
>Sonic did compete with Mario and Donkey Kong
Yea, I also really liked the Mickey Mouse games Sega did back then. They wree excellent platformers. But it simply wasn't enough against all the casual games Nintendo consoles had.

>>11811428
>Rock and metal are in some contexts, the same thing.
this is already completely false so I didn't bother reading the rest of that shit

>>11811440
I mean...He's right though. The line between genres is usually pretty blurry and sometimes completely arbitrary.

>>11811443
>He's right though.
wrong. rock and metal are not the same. "he" (obvious samefag) is incorrect.

>>11811428
>vs. round multiplayer based on SFII rootaly
Holy ESL

>>11811452
Nah just made it up cause it's funny

>>11811447
Paranoid by Black Sabbath or Living after Midnight by Judas Priest could be Ted Nugent or KISS songs, and Stormtroopin' and Parasite by those bands could be Black Sabbath or Judas Priest songs. Separating heavy metal and hard rock is purely a post 80s standard and usually by the casual fan who doesn't have in depth knowledge of all metal genres like I do, but one nonetheless.

>>11811470
you don't know what the fuck you're talking about lol

>>11810227
>I think I'll use the wrong term and get frustrated when nobody understands me
based

>>11811473
I do, if you don't know every album in my topsters you don't though
>Hard rock, heavy metal, glam metal, speed metal, nwobhm, thrash metal, us power metal, euro power metal, death metal, black metal, groove metal, Doom metal.

All present here with noteworthy albums, you need to know all these. That's the majority of the hard rock and metal spectrums represented. Only things not well represented in my top 101 are nu/rap metal, post grunge, alt metal, industrial metal, and grindcore/metalcore/deathcore so if you're gonna bitch about that it's worth pointing out that fans of those fusion mashup genres who don't know about the majority of the genre, are the pleb casuals

>>11811497
>Winger

>>11811495
I've never had anybody misunderstand me yet. I think you just want to feel special like you have all this knowledge or something. but really nobody talks like you do.

>>11811497
anyone can click over to /mu/ and save someone's chart and pretend to know about it, but you kinda already made it clear you don't know what you're talking about so its not gonna work here

>>11811512
Sssshut up beavis

>>11811323
while being closer to bat-'em-up i honestly feel "brawler" is best used to describe what is now classed as "character action" games like dmc, which, to be fair, definitely have a lot of beat-'em'-up dna in them

>>11811539
It's my chart. Last.fm/user/galvawave

You clearly don't know the facts I've stated. In the 70s and 80s heavy metal and hard rock were synonyms, same roots, same fans. The distinction between the two is modern, and that's fine, but nobody on this website knows more about rock and than me

>>11807456
>when it comes to this genre, i prefer worse games
ok, tastelet

>>11810227
no one has ever referred to fighting games (like street fighter) as the same genre as beat 'em ups. you're being an obtuse retard.

>>11811597
i'm sure your big blustery act fools a lot of people but you haven't said one true thing this whole time so i'm sorry, but i'm not fooled. it's obvious you don't have the first clue what you're talking about

>>11811678
I've never in my life heard anyone complain if someone calls street fighter a beat-em-up, since the whole point of street fighter is to beat people up.
i'm pretty sure you're overestimating the importance of your little board culture here, in real life most people use the terms interchangeably because they clearly both fit. any game you can call a beat-em-up is also a fighting game, and vice versa.
that's just how it is in real life. try not to confuse 4chan with the real world

>creem magazine
You may as well cite Christgau.

Such a great game all around. I don't even like Electronic or techno, what have you but I have the sound track ripped for my car.

The combat is really satisfying, everyone's play style is offered. You can play how you want and do well.

The rest of the audio is great, I love how smoothly it plays and the art.

Just a great beat em up and the best of it's series.

>>11811702
>I've never in my life heard anyone complain if someone calls street fighter a beat-em-up
I have. They're right desu
Legend of Zelda is not an RPG by the way

>>11811323
When I think of brawler I think of Smash Brothers

>>11811714
I think you're lying quite frankly

>>11811417
>Rock and metal aren't the same thing though
cope

>>11811721
I assume the same thing with you. I do not think we will change each other's mind.

>>11811443
the line isn't blurry, and not "sometimes completely arbitrary." you just don't know the difference because you're dumb. so is he. rock is not the same as metal.

>>11811724
>anon gives sensible opinion
>retard sees it and responds with a soundbite he heard some other moron say on 4chan first

it's not "cope," you fucking moron. rock and metal are categorically different, that's just a fact.

>>11811709
>>11811709
Creem poked fun at hard rock and metal but it was tongue in cheek and they still covered artists fairly, hence it being a magazine of choice for Headbangers, before the 80s exploded with all the metal mags. Rolling Stone Magazine notoriously was the anti-metal mag, even shat on now revered acts like Zeppelin, Sabbath, and then big breakthrough acts like Boston, ACDC, Van Halen etc....anything related to metal or gard rock at all got slagged by them, Christgau is more in line with those journalists with his hatred of most hard rock, heavy metal, and prog

>>11811737
You don't know metal, obviously a Slipknot fan. Had better hopes you weren't a poser but just dumb

>>11809941
Based console warrior

>>11811497
>Blue Blood
My nigga

>>11811536
baséd

>>11812103
Yeah bro that's some good Japmetal