Somehow, the NES feels underrated today. Can't really explain it, but there's definitely been a vibe shift.

>can't really explain it
It's pretty obvious, there's been an avalanche of zoomie faggots who think that it has no good games and have never played it

>>11814206 (OP)
Apart from the big name games the library is largely forgotten which I agree, it's sad.

Atari syndrome. Gen Alpha will still gush over the N64 and later, but the SNES, Genesis, and TG16 will be forgotten and ignored. And so on and so forth.

>>11814241
Kazuma Kaneko's first video game art btw

>>11814229
This. I understand hating certain nintendrones (mostly oot cultists), but I love the nes, GB/gbc/GBA/ds. SNES is awesome too and the 64/gc are nice. The nes has so many good games, it's hard understand the zoompinion of it being asstastic plastic crap. Some of its lesser liked games are in my top 10, like sf2010tff and idinana Jones attod

Definitely underrated. Same number of Castlevanias as Genesis and SNES combined. More good Megaman games than SNES. Better version of Ninja Gaiden. 10 trillion ok to good platformers and shoot em ups.

>>11814206 (OP)
Its RPGs are too old and actually have a semblance of difficulty so it scares off a good chunk of nerds that only play that genre. Remember that next time you see a SNES RPG thread.

>>11814206 (OP)
>most overrated console of its generation
>"feels underrated"
kys

>>11814206 (OP)
I think because it's millennial-core and the retro window has moved on, but it's actually worthy of its praise beyond mere nostalgia.

>>11814318
It isn't. It is gen-xer core.
Millenials just like classic games and play NES.

There is an increase of people saying that the NES suck because outside capcom and konami titles (and by this i mean Megaman and Castlevania), all it's games are shit, too primitive or aged terribly, even Nintendo's games are seen like this outside a few ones like Mario 3 or Kirby's Adventure.
I kind of blame it on the AVGN for reviewing so many bad NES games that make people believe the entire NES catalog is nothing but awful licensed games or frustratingly difficult games.
Sucks because the NES is still the best plug and play console ever.

>>11814206 (OP)
This, I was playing through FAXANADU the other day.
Nes is goate

>>11814320
Ok, well gen-x /millenial cusp. But in 1990 the oldest millennial was 10 years old, and the .

>>11814318
Millennial here, I didn't have one growing up. Only got interested in it recently after spending a few years with the Sega Genesis. 2 great consoles that feel more related to each other than the SMS does to the Genesis or the SNES to the NES.
t. enjoyer of Jackal, Twin Cobra, Contra, Tetris, P.O.W and more

>>11814335
>*blocks your path*

>>11814206 (OP)
Kids today don't understand how maintain a NES to keep it working reliably.
They just slap in a dirty game they just bought on ebay for the lowest amount possible and then wonder why now it's hard to get their other games to boot.

>>11814252
OP doesn't have any evidence of any "vibe shift".
NES has too many timeless classics thar are still revered today to be forgotten. It's not generational.
I'm sorry NES haters. You will die, and NES games will still be topping best-of-all-time lists.

>>11814206 (OP)
Late Millennials drove it into the ground in the late 2000s-early 10s and now no one cares.

>>11814206 (OP)
I grew up with it and honestly it fuckin sucks. Even the good games are barely playable.

>>11814335
You fall for the meme you're describing and you don't even realize it.

>>11814583
I remember around that time, the Internet was full of AVGN clones reviewing NES games they grew up with. Nowadays people talk about growing up with games like Minecraft.

>>11814638
>they grew up with
And also, didn't. That's why it was so overexposed.

The Famicom/NES is probably the more arcade feeling console (with Neo geo of course)

They are just so fun,hard without being overwhelming difficult to grasp

Even the bad NES games are better than bad game on other consoles

It's so fun and comfy!

>>11814206 (OP)
The first Youtube reviews of bad NES games are now older than the games themselves were at the time
So the nostalgia now is less for the games themselves and more for people calling those games ass. I'd bet the vast majority of gamers haven't even seen an NES or played any NES games outside of maybe dicking around with the Nintendo Switch Online service for a few minutes

>>11814206 (OP)
Good.

That means all the nostalgiafags, trendchasers, and other "I just want to belong!!" people are now gone and all the people left to talk about NES are people who actually enjoy it.

>>11814206 (OP)
Zoomers like smw but hate 3. I think it’s just the general dislike of old stuff, smw gets modern romhacks, 3 not so much.

>>11814206 (OP)
>ragebait thread
>"can't really explain it"
>200 replies
What the fuck is wrong with this board.

NES games have timeflopped. They've moved into the unplayable category beside Atari and Amiga/Commodore stuff. They are just too basic and limited. It's like trying to play pong. Gaming pretty much started at 4th gen.

>>11814806
What an absolute garbage take. Go beat Castlevania 3 you retarded zoomer nigger bitch

>>11814206 (OP)
zoomers never fail to impress with the retarded takes

I believe NES is the first thing people most people think of when they hear "retro games"

nes has more a fun game feel than snes

>>11814206 (OP)
Ever increasing number of available games

There's too many classics to play, no time to waste on surpassed NES games.

>Somehow, the NES feels underrated today.
Nice fanfic

>>11814893
>go beat [overrated boring nostalgia slop]
Sorry, I'm busy blasting aliens in Turrican 2.

>>11814970
Auster...

>>11814806

>>11814583
LMAO
No

>>11814806
Never happened. Never going to happen.

>>11814806
ok faggot do you genuinely think that NES gradius 2 is unplayable dogshit but SNES gradius 3 is somehow a whole other universe and actually good?

>>11815643
LifeForce is so fucking good.

>>11814206 (OP)
The tastes of early millennials are slowly fading away from the zeitgeist. AVGN and that era of early 2000s was all about 8-bit nostalgia, can't beat Air Man, Horse the Band and stuff. Now the people who grew up with NES are in their 40s or close to it, have job/family and probably slowly drifting away from gaming.
People who are in their 20s and early 30s today didn't grow up with NES, or even SNES. And while SNES remains pretty accessible, NES can easily filter anyone, especially the players spoiled by modern games.
I just think people will be more critical of NES and won't have the same reverence for every single NES title like Jackal, Bayou Billy, etc..

If what you're comparing it to is the 16 bit era I think I would actually disagree with you. nes has had a stronger revival in the modern era than the snes and genesis.

>>11814638
>Nowadays people talk about growing up with games like Minecraft.
I mean sure but the elder nostalgia content has centered on late 5th and 6th gen

>>11815835
I’m one of these guys. And it kills me sometimes. Setting aside an hour to play an NES game start to finish just feels like a huge commitment and even then my skills are starting to fade. I got a game over at Double Dragon the other day - something I used to be able to beat in my sleep.

>>11814687
If you’re under 30 maybe

They make fun of you if you still care after 35, they use it as an excuse why you’re not making money because they don’t want to ever punish or investigate corrupt bosses, that would take actual time and effort and they’re all too fat and lazy to do that

>>11814638
how come every zoomer youtuber only grew up with shit like minecraft, skylanders, wii shovelware, and other kidslop? apparently not a single zoomer with a quasi-successful youtube channel was allowed to play m-rated games until middle school at the earliest despite the overwhelming majority of kids playing gta before learning to read

>>11815940
Except NES games are actually good unlike boomer Atari games with 5 minutes of gameplay where the only replayability is high scores

>>11815608
notanargument

>>11814206 (OP)
Not underrated but I understand what you're saying. The same thing happened to the 2600 and it will eventually happen to the SNES. People stop "getting" it and instead of just simply saying it's not for them they say it's bad because it's too old.
>>11814727
I never thought of it this way Anon. There's a silver lining to everything.

>>11814206 (OP)
The NES truly was incredible.

>>11814320
Ancient eldenlenials played NES

>>11815957
>sheltered lonely kids are the most likely to make a career out of talking about video games alone in their room
shocking

I'm 30 years old so a late millennial. I played virtually no NES games as a young kid aside from a Game Boy Color port of Mario, though I played a fair amount as a teen through emulators. These days the oldest system I have a set up for is the SNES. There's honestly so few NES games I care about, most have alternate versions/ports I'd rather play, and the few that don't I've bought in some retro compilation or another for newer systems.

>>11814206 (OP)
It's an 8bit computer from 1984, you can't expect people born in 1990 to like half the games on it, much less people born in 2000. And people's willingness to tolerate NESisms like no battery backup saves, passwords, lack of dialogue/story outside of manuals etc depends on the genre. Lots and lots of people will play Zelda/Mario/Platformers on the NES, but they won't touch sports games, arcade ports, or RPGs. I've been playing Final Fantasy and Megaten games for 20 years which is enough to tell you that like 1 in 100 serious FF/Megaten fans is willing to even attempt to play the games from the 80s. People who prattle on about the franchises 8 hours a day on twitter will not touch anything older than PS1 with a 10 foot pole.

I don't think it's an NES thing or a zoomer thing, I think it's a "game design and why people played games was fundamentally different prior to 1989-1991" thing. Most games and especially most RPGs after that try to tell some story, have lots of text no matter the genre, lots of options in the options menu etc, unless they're like Sega arcade ports or something they feel deliberately "modern." Stuff prior to 1989? You're playing it to beat it, you need to use your imagination, the games are balanced in a way where just turning on your CD player, jamming some tunes, and grinding for a few hours is part of the experience. These are time consuming games that you play to get better/win at. Not to look at pretty pictures or take in some epic story.

To use Mario as an example, in Mario Bros for NES you don't even know the princess exists until you fight Bowser if you didn't read the manual. By Mario 2, we've got multiple characters, by Mario 3 we've got a map screen. By Super Mario World, we've got an opening demo that goes out of its way to introduce Yoshi, and when you press start there's a textbox that tells you the princess was kidnapped. By Mario 64, Peach is narrating her own kidnapping in a cutscene. Young gamers NEED the dialogue.

>>11815835
One thing that will probably still give NES more staying power is the fact that a lot of Gen Z kids grew up watching the very same millennials and Gen Xers who made videos about NES games, and characters who are still extremely popular and relevant today had some of their most revered entries on the console. Just like how you probably have a lot of younger people who wouldn't give a shit about your average old black and white film, but will still watch the original Godzilla, or modern anime fans who don't typically care about any anime made before 2000, but will still watch the original DragonBall/Z because it's DragonBall.

>>11814229
the bubble just burst a few years ago jesus let me buy games for cheap for once fuck

>>11814806
6/10 i replied

>>11814206 (OP)
It's to be expected, compare online discourse over the Atari 2600 in the early 2000's compared to now, there's been a shift as what's older naturally feels more "dated" and younger people who didn't grow up with it struggle to get into it, often under the claims that it "hasn't aged well" or something along those lines. NES is going through it now, soon the SNES and Genesis will too.

Atari isn't really the same thing. 2600 is extremely primitive by the standards of the early 80s.

>>11814252
>>11814806
>>11817276
I think all those Atari comparisons are really a stretch. Even someone like AVGN had to pretend Atari was good—he just mostly said "it was good for the time" and "that's where gaming started". And whatever ports the console was famous for were completely eclipsed by their arcade versions.
I kind of agree with >>11815993 here. Realistically, if you made Top 100 games of all time, Atari would only be there for historical significance, as in you'd hardly play them today for more than 5 minutes. Meanwhile, plenty NES games are still highly enjoyable today, and some games like SMB3, MM2 and DQ3 were in some ways peak of their formulas. It's not a stretch to say they hold up, control well and will never be obsolete. And they were exclusive to the console, not ports like Pac-Man and so on.
Atari, Spectrum, and C64 deserve their place in the garbage bin. Japanese arcades of the 80s and NES blow them away in comparison.

>>11814206 (OP)
It's really NOT that great, overall. Nintendo didn't make a good system before, or after, SNES. They peaked HARD.

>>11817276
Why are red systems so fucking sexy?

>>11814297
Fuck yeah.

>>11817436
Nah NES is the BEST

>>11817276
>Lagrange Point
>Just Breed
>Radia Senki
>FF1/2/3

Based

>>11817329
AVGN actually jokingly admits the Atari era was the "dark ages" in an episode so even he knows it's kinda unplayable by today's standards

>>11817329
>>11817562
I don't even like Atari, but the AVGN isn't the arbiter of taste or what is or isn't a good game. And even then, Mike likes Atari.

>>11814320
>Millenials just like classic games and play NES
'87 babby here. We didn't have a choice. I played my older siblings 2600 until my parents broke down and picked us up a Genesis in the early 90s. Had a friend who had an NES and didn't get a new console until the Xbox. Most parents didn't update every gen for their kids so we played what was available.

>>11817329
Yeah, some late 70s/early 80s arcade titles hold up better than a lot of 2600 stuff when it comes to modern appeal, certainly true by the time you get to things like Galaxian (granted, it's eclipsed by Galaga, but Galaxian still has good enough looks and gameplay to hold up). I'd imagine that even a lot of later millennials already look at the Atari 2600 and Invaders-era arcade titles like how a lot of modern film buffs look at most films from the late 1800s and early 1900s - impressive for the time and important stepping stones, but nothing they're deeply invested in nor anything that they're particularly interested in watching beyond a select few titles.
Of course things would change if a modern competitive environment ever formed around such titles, like how US NES Tetris in particular seems to have developed a thriving competitive scene involving late Gen Z and Gen Alpha kids.

>>11814206 (OP)
incredible for its time. led the home console revival up til today and has properties that are just as popular now as they were back then, if not more. it has its place in history. Im playing nes TMNT right now. that said, its getting harder to convince kids how awesome it was and it will continue to collect dust and be known for its trailblazing. the nes itself isnt as revered anymore, and it likely wont be since kids only like what theyre told to like

>>11816320
Some queer makes a post. Thinks it says something.
It doesn't.

>>11814206 (OP)
It only saved video games as a whole.

>>11817668
Nice projection.

There are seriously this many people on here who don’t like the famicom? How bad has this board gotten holy shit.

>>11817764
This board has become based

>>11817771
Nice try auster

>>11817764
As time moves on, the frame of reference for the average user shifts (the whole "NES is becoming like Atari" thing has already been fully discussed). Just notice how even on here that the shitposting against CRT and original hardware users increases with each passing year, as the average user is more and more likely to only have been aware of old games as overpriced collectorfag bait, as opposed to the average user having amassed a lot of legit stuff from back when it was new and during the time when it was largely seen as cheap old junk.

>>11817764
Famicom was never worth playing. The sega system won that generation.

>>11817329
NES was also only good for the time. Unless you were born after 2000 you can't really accurately judge it since you are blinded by nostalgia. It's literally no different from the simplicity of atari games. Most NES games have 5 minutes worth of actual gameplay variation and artificial difficulty that keeps you from finishing the less than 1 hour long games. The controller is also heavily limited like the atari controller with it's lack of buttons.

If you don't like platformers, pure dungeon crawler RPG's, or arcade games you are going to struggle to find something you like in the NES library. And honestly the SNES and its contemporary competitors are not much better either in genre diversity. I think it's really that simple.

>>11817912
The controller has more than enough buttons for games for games at the time, to the point where the Master System controller from two years later has 2 less buttons and the PC Engine released 4 years later had the exact same layout.

>>11817912
>born after 2000
Sure unc lol try 2007, that way you grew up with games that came out after they reached their true potential, and you over here thinking that the fucking Gamecube and PS2 were advanced. P much everything before 2010 was boomerslop

>>11817957
>P much everything before 2010 was boomerslop
Only about 80% of it was slop to be fair

>>11814206 (OP)
It was a huge step forward from the Atari 2600 in terms of hardware capabilities and had a library that dwarfed any of its competitors which allowed it to dominate the market in a way no console has since.

>>11814206 (OP)
With age and access it lost its magic. Now that I've played all the big games with emulators, it's clear that Snes, psx, and PS2 are huge winners in the long run.

>>11817957
You don't even know what they took from you. Games were pure for so long. You grew up during the shittification of this hobby.

>>11815835
It ebbs and flows, the waves that drive players to these older games. I am one of the younger millennials, and while I didn't grow up with the NES (I had(well my Dad did really) a Master System and a Mega Drive), it is the simplicity and focus of 8-bit titles that drives me to play them today. These games are extremely easy to just pick up, and play, often intuitive (though not always), and do a lot with a little. I won't pretend that everyone is going to play these games, a number of my Zoomer friends (mid 20s) think there's little reason to go back to 8-bit at all, but these same people claim that modern gaming isn't fun, in time their curiosity will carry them somewhere unexpected, some of them to the 8-bit era. There's hope in that, but also in games like UFO 50 doing well and not just with us older folk, but genuinely with Zoomers and presumably below them too.
The biggest issue to push to get these games played amongst younger generations is accessibility (i.e. ROMs and Emulators) which sounds really dumb; "just google NES ROMs", but many of these kids have no idea how to use a computer, only locked down pieces of kit like iPads, which are obviously less than supportive of emulation.

>>11817764
I appreciate NES and like it, but I just always find SNES games 10 times easier to get into. Every time I want to like an NES game, I run into something like Zelda 2 that confirms most NES stereotypes. Some stuff like Zelda 1 / Metroid 1 has been on my backlog for years, precisely because I know exactly how these play and what to expect. Though some series like Contra and Castlevania peaked on NES, IMO.
Also, unironically, I have bad vision and NES hurts my eyes.

>>11814806
NES was the dawn of modern gaming as we understand it. It was of course rooted in the second gen and expounded upon the things introduced there but you're wrong also you are gay.

>>11818008
>These games are extremely easy to just pick up, and play, often intuitive (though not always), and do a lot with a little.
Well one shouldn't underestimate the effect of playing the top 10 games with save states, fast forward, and online guides. A massive difference.

Not to mention possible romhacks.

>>11815835
I grew up with nes and I'm mid 30s. We never had a brand new console until PS3. We had tons of secondhand stuff for the old consoles cause they were so cheap at yard sales.

>>11817957
Why are you posting on here alphoomer troon, why even come here

>>11818058
That's actually gen x shitposting. You can tell by the high post quality.

>>11818024
Much of a muchness to me. I play without those things, maybe save the occasional ROMhack of a game I have already beaten/love (Pokemon Crystal Clear or Prism), I didn't even play AM2R until I beat Metroid 2, but I also get that most people just want a more frictionless experience than that, and I'm all for it. What I want to do is talk about these games with my friends. I never judged my friends way back when for beating Vice City summoning tanks and every weapon in the game, we just talked about what we liked and what we didn't. If they want to use a guide that's cool with me, if they want to play a ROMhack I probably would tell them check out Vanilla first, but really at the end of the day, talking about the games I love with my friends is what I care about, I don't need any spooks telling them or me for that matter, "You didn't really beat it because it wasn't on Original hardware, and you had to use save states to beat Zelda II".

>>11817594
>Of course things would change if a modern competitive environment ever formed around such titles
2005 Zoomie here. These games are awesome when you play for a high score. There are still some places to upload scores too (lvlupscore is probably the best one right now since highscore.com is dead and Arcade Sidekick isn't free). Also most of the games have an even playing field so you don't need to know frame perfect glitches or special controller techniques to be competitive like in speedrunning or Tetris for example. Honestly I recommend just picking a game like Berzerk or Mario Bros and setting a score goal to see how you enjoy it. It can have a "just one more try" type of addiction to it that feels rewarding whenever you hit a new milestone. The silent film comparison is accurate though, it's not for everyone and that's okay.

>>11817679
Nice, No U.

>>11817906
Retards posting the darndest things.

>>11818015
>dawn of modern gaming
NES had more primitive games than Apple II.

>>11818391
>Lies for no reason

The people saying NES/Famicom were always shit are all scumbag resellers. It's so fucking obvious.

>>11814206 (OP)
As a Zoomer who lives retro stuff… there’s just a lot of junk and filtering that makes it hard to sit down and play. Plus a lot of the games have a ridiculously limited amount of content.

Like I finally pulled off a near no hit run of Contra recently and realized the game is 15 minutes long. It’s almost incompressible how little there actually is to that game and it’s not even alone despite how good it is. Compare it something like Contra Hard Corps or Gunstar Heroes from just one generation later which can take a hour or more to get all of its content even if you’ve mastered it.

>>11818432
>Like I finally pulled off a near no hit run of Contra recently and realized the game is 15 minutes long.
What loop did you get to? You didn't beat Contra until you complete the 7th loop.
You didn't know Contra for NES has multiple loops. You also didn't pull off a no hit run. Stop treating games like a speed runner.

>>11818414
I may be retarded but what is this rationale? Wouldn't resellers want to say "This system is the best! That'll be $150 please." or are you saying they would say something like "The NES was always shit, why don't you buy this SNES for $200 instead?"

>>11818458
The price for entry for NES is too high. They were never interested in NES games when prices were low. And now they're extremely sour and want to buy in at a lower price.

>>11818410
No? Did the NES even have 3D flight simulators? (aside from Elite, that port was made 8 years after the original launch date) Or games with procedurally generated levels, worlds, and objectives? Or 4X games? Or truly sandbox RPGs? Or an engine you could use to make your own RPG games? It got computer game ports years after the initial launch if it's lucky. NES was primitive because it didn't have a lot of RAM, and cartridge only held static data unlike floppy. Not to mention the production of cartridges was slow and expensive, making game development even less flexible.

>>11818509
Did the Apple II have single game that could horizontally scroll as smoothly as 1985's Super Mario Bros did?

>>11818527
Yes, even before Famicom was launched.

>>11818509
You need to comprehend that a game console with four buttons and a D-Pad is going to fundamentally have different games made for its platform than a home computer with a full keyboard.

>>11818532
https://youtu.be/Ylp1X_gNQCM?t=27
This doesn't compete with Super Mario Bros.

>>11814206 (OP)
What the fuck?

>>11818532
https://youtu.be/Cqq2wJLMBWI
The real Apple ii experience.

>>11818543
You're right, the animations, physics, and enemy AI look way better than SMB.

>>11818548
This is unbelievably comfy.

>>11818548
If you're playing on a monochrome Apple Monitor II that is. Most people used a TV.

>>11818548
Even this is playing on an upgraded computer released six years after the original Apple ii.

E.T.

>>11818550
Nothing you wrote is true.
The truth of the matter is. The game looks and runs very choppy on an original Apple ii. Let alone the display options average people had at the time. Apple ii's connected to a TV through RF didn't look good.

Its returning to ita natural rating, which is a very primitive console with 99% of shit games. People want to exttapolate the success and importance of Mario to the whole console but its like the only good 2 or 3 games.

The entire 2D era has always been overrated shit. 80s kids latched onto nostalgia, while Atari and Pong generations did not

>>11818563
>The game looks and runs very choppy on an original Apple ii
But with more modern physics and mechanics. I thought we were discussing which platform was "the dawn of modern gaming as we know it" rather than which one has better looking graphics.
>Apple ii's connected to a TV through RF didn't look good
And NES games didn't look good compared to contemporary systems like say, Amiga, PC-88, and MSX2 either. Apple II was the trailblazer, looking better than anything from 1977.

>>11818543
https://youtu.be/wKWeLeDlFcY
I prefer the aesthetics of Choplifter running in that Apple 2 emulator. However the NES port of the game runs better and is a more competent game.

>>11818583
>But with more modern physics and mechanics.
You're just making shit up. What ever conversation you think you're having. It's just you having it.
You're comparing two entirely different industries and platforms to serve what ever bias you have against the NES.

>>11814206 (OP)
Heres my unique take as someone who neither grew up with snes or nes

NES loses tons of appeal and aesthetics if you arent playing on a real small to medium CRT. Modern monitors lack that hallation glow or whatever its called. NES games look absolutely gorgeous, bright, smooth, and moody in a way that 16 bit doesnt on a real display.

i feel like cause most zoomies and normies are going to be experiencing raw ass ugly pixels or some shitty shader that doesnt come close to the real thing, it takes a huge chunk away from the experience and thus why people dont "get it" anymore

>>11818583
I've never seen a computer nerd write something so fucking dumb.

>>11818597
Nah, I play nes on anything desu senpai

>>11818597
That cartridge is so fucking gorgeous.

>>11818608
nah I cant go back to playing on a led display. my crt is twice as bright, twice as much contrast, 100 times smoother, zero input lag. It literally unlocks the hidden art behind 8 bit games. theres something special about playing with the lights off and seeing sprites glow in a black background. 16 bit games look good too but i honestly think 8 bit games look so much better now that the bit wars are decades behind us. NES games are proof that limitation and clever use of simplistic elements is where true beauty in the world comes from

>>11818631
>NES games are proof that limitation and clever use of simplistic elements is where true beauty in the world comes from
BASED AS FUCK

>>11818631
Nah, I don't give a fuck. I play my nes on a crt, flatscreen, plasma PC monitor and multiple handhelds including a ds lite, nxl3ds, ps vita, psp and an r36s. Input lag has never been an issue, I just adapt nearly instantly.

I'mma keep it a buck with yall...I'd be open to trying any NES game but if the game doesn't save or have unlimited continues, or has unforgiving checkpoints, I'm just not interested, sorry (not really)!

>>11818639
NTA, but I'll give you that there are a lot of games on NES where the input lag won't be that big of a deal. For me where I notice input lag the most is shmups on SNES and Turbografx 16. If there's any input lag like if you're playing the games emulated on a SNES Classic they're just awful and unplayable.

>>11818639
>yeah bro beer is beer, i can drink anything even when its warm as long as it gets you drunk

>>11818648
Okay there are a lot of games that either have Battery Backup Saves, Password Saves, and unlimited continues.
The Legend of Zelda is a pretty good place to start since it's notorious for having the Battery Backup. And here's a free tip for Password Saves. Use your phone's camera.

>>11818649
there isnt a single genre other than jrpgs that dont feel like shit with monitor lag to me now. even tetris feels like shit because you cant snap blocks in as fast as your brain and fingers can work, theres some fucking ugly middle man in the tv who has to work for a few frames and ruin the experience.

>>11818659
I would be emulating but I get what you're saying. I mean I could just save state at reasonable junctures but then anonymous retards wouldn't respect me :/

Zelda is one of the few NES games I've played actually. Loved it, and I didn't think it was anywhere near as cryptic as people had made it out to be (classic general NES complaint)

>>11818652
Everything I posted plays nes games at a good enough rate to be enjoyable. I'm not going to try and play nes on something that can't even emulate it correctly, I also don't stretch the screen on a flat screen. You sound mad for no reason because I enjoy playing nes on things that you don't like. Stay mad, child.

>>11818467
Oh I get it now. Yeah I can see that. They know the gen x and millennial crowd are getting older/richer so they want to maximize profits by any means necessary, including shitting on the NES, fuckin scumbags.

>>11818649
Yeah, shmups can be difficult to adapt to. I just don't really mind as long as it's not too horrible. I can adapt to most input lag, if it's really bad I just won't play that game unless it's on console. I will not play fighting games with too much input lag, that's really my only line in the sand.

>>11818618
That feeling when you held a wrapped Christmas or birthday gift and it's that particular size and weight.

>>11817816
who?

>>11818107
>I don't need any spooks telling them or me for that matter, "You didn't really beat it because it wasn't on Original hardware
Only turbo autists say that. Ignore them and play how you wish.

I'm saying that the things I mentioned skew opinions, and I don't put much stock in opinions on retro games if they were enhanced with emulator features.

>>11818384
But you literally did that. Why would I pretend otherwise?

>>11818907
Fair enough mate, and I understand that you weren't saying any of those frustrating opinions you routinely see here.
While modern emulator features may skew opinions I still welcome it, any discussion with my mates it may breed over a pint and parma is worthwhile, even if they use save states, or think that remasters are the "only way to play". I've always played games to be social (and because I love them), and I'm glad I get to continue that into my 30s.

>>11818946
>While modern emulator features may skew opinions I still welcome it, any discussion with my mates
I agree. No need to waste time on something like Zelda 2 continues or Final Fantasy random encounters, when there's thousands of games to experience, and time is finite.

And really those "hardcore" gamers are mentally ill, so don't mind them.

>>11818968
The random encounters in Final Fantasy are the game. Like in most 80's RPGs. If you don't like that go play something else. The problem is that you're applying modern (mid 90's and after) JRPG standards in which random encounters barely matter to something that it doesn't apply; if you don't like the concept go play something else and stop using shitty "my limited time!" excuse while you're probably phone posting on 4chan, because using cheats to skip random encounters in an 80's RPG is like using a warp whistle in SMB3.

>>11818973
NTA but caring about how someone else plays and enjoys a game is a mental illness.
Focus on enjoying how you play games, and talk about the games you enjoy.

>>11818973
Yeah yeah sit down and be quiet, loonie

>>11818979
Caring about games integrity is not mental illness

>>11818985
Prolonged virginity has damaged your brain

>>11818979
>play chess
>I'll just take my pawn and move it right accross the opponent's king!
>My time is PRECIOUS fuck hardcore chess palyers!
>What do you mean I can't do that?! Stop caring how others play games you're mentally ill!

This is how you sound

>>11818994
If only all games were as tight as chess

>>11818994
Your analogy is nothing like that. It's more like
>play chess
>no timer since its for fun
>ok with taking back moves since its for fun
Then some sperg shows up and starts crying about how you should have castled or that you can't take back moves

You sound mentally ill.

>>11814206 (OP)
>>11814252
I am a 24 year old Zoomer, always been obsessed with retro gaming since I was about 6, and was introduced to my uncles ZX Spectrum. Throughout my child-teenagehood I have owned everything from the Atari 2600 to the PS2, but never owned a NES. I moved away from retro gaming for a few years and am now back and have a SNES, PS2, N64 with a CRT TV, and am working my way through beating all of the classics that interest me. Somehow though the NES just doesn't have the pull factor, I'm not drawn in. Now that's not to say I don't think there are games that are good. I would one day like to play/beat the NES Castlevanias, Legend of Zelda, and Metroid, but outside of that I don't really see what games are actually worth playing now? I've got Super Mario All Stars for the SNES, and its a better way of playing those games. With a few exceptions the NES is lacking in games that can legitimately suck you in, making you obsessed with them until you finish them, (Super Metroid, LTTP, DKC, CT etc). A lot of them are just arcadey style game that are actually overly hard and not just rewardingly challenging like 16 bit+ games can be. Now the same can be said of course about the Atari 2600, and the 8bit microcomputers like the ZX Spectrum, but the factor that draws me to these is novelty value, it's like a window into the past for a few minutes of interesting fun, a history lesson. Not something I would get home excited to sit down and play for hours today like I do with SNES, N64, PSX etc. Yars Revenge is a fucking great game but I'm not going to play it every day and become obsessed with it, the depth just isn't there.

>>11818979
>caring about how someone else plays and enjoys games is a mental illness.
This is such a Redditism. If anyone criticises or gatekeeps anything there is always dozens of Redditors in the comments parroting the "caring about how other people enjoy x hobby is bad and wrong" and "let people have fun!"

>>11819050
Go back there, faggot

>>11819052
Why? I don't belong there, but you obviously do, as you write and think like a Redditor.

>>11819056
T. Redditor

>>11819017
Skipping Final Fantasy random encounters isn't just taking back a move or taking out a specific enemy. It's skipping most of the gameplay.

>>11819063
>Skipping Final Fantasy random encounters
Who said skipping? Fastforward through the endless trash fights

>>11819064
the comment chain he replied to said skipping like 3 posts ago.
>>11819063
True. I thought it was about fast forwarding and didn't read either.

>>11819084
>the comment chain he replied to said skipping like 3 posts ago.
Yes he said it himself

Another mentally ill retard fighting strawmen

>>11814206 (OP)
The nostalgia boom for it happened like 20 years ago. The current generation coming of age were playing Xbox 360, Wii, PS2, and PS3 when they were children while people who grew up on NES are becoming middle-aged and have either outgrown vidya or have just lost interest in the NES and its style of games.

>>11814258
>This. I understand hating certain nintendrones (mostly oot cultists), but I love the nes
It's the nintendrones the ones arguing against the NES - the drones who grew up with the N64 precisely. I've encountered them in other threads, one recently calling NES games "8-bit slop" and waxing lyrical about the N64 as if it had invented video games.

The split between pre and post N64 tendies is so painful and apparent, they might as well be different fanbases. You can argue reasonably with a NES/SNES fags, but N64/Cube kids are religious zealots who hate video games, they only like their specific toy boxes and nothing else.

You can see a similar phenomena in how the Switch caused another split in the fanbase and they refer to N64kids as ootsnoys because how dare they not love botw as much as oot.

Bunch of mentally ill faggots.

>>11814206 (OP)
31 year old boomer here.

It's a historically significant console with barely anything that is worth playing. Super Mario Bros 1, Metroid, Legend of Zelda, Kid Icarus, Ice Climber, etc? They're all janky as fuck and not good to control.

Super Mario Bros 3 and Duck Hunt machine.


Seriously name a game that's as fun as either of those two, you literally can't name a third.

>>11819149
I don't care for NES, but in addition to SMB 3 there's Zelda 1, Castlevania 1&3. And I would play that chip & dale game co-op

>>11819149
Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!!
Mega Man 2
Tecmo Super Bowl
Contra
Super C

>>11819176
Yeah punch out is the best game nintendo made for the NES

>>11819154
>Zelda 1
Is a piece of shit you should never ever play. It controls like dog water and it's puzzle logic is just "beat your head against the wall" in order to sell guides/the Nintendo hotline. NES big claim to fame is "play your favorite hit Nintendo franchise before it was any good!'
>Castlevania
Maybe the Japanese version that's supposed to be more fair is what you mean, but the American version of Castlevania 1 is an absolute piece of shit man. I've honest to God never ever heard anyone even mention Castlevania 3 one way or the other before now.
>>11819176
I'll give you Punch Out I forgot that one
I've always found Mega man to be vastly overrated but I can see the argument that Mega man 2 stands out in the context of the NES.
Contra is also pretty good. But the fact that you're already listing sports games kinda proves my point I think, no normal acclaimed console with a good library needs to list the sports games.

>>11819190
I’m a year younger than you and I think you’re full of shit. Unless you started browsing retro game forums yesterday there’s no fucking way you never heard of Castlevania 3. It’s been mentioned constantly since I started dicking around online in the late 00s.

>>11819190
>>Castlevania
>Maybe the Japanese version that's supposed to be more fair
I'm a PAL chad so I get to play them in slow motion

>>11814206 (OP)
It feels so archaic compared to the SNES now

The 6th gen rule and its consequences have been a disaster for the /vr/ race

>>11818008
>These games are extremely easy to just pick up, and play, often intuitive (though not always), and do a lot with a little.
On the contrary, I think the Famicom is the first home console to have games complex enough to not be pick up and play. Before the Famicom, it was practically unheard of to have strategy games, adventure games, and RPGs on a home console. Yet the Famicom has hundreds of these types of games.

>>11819318
It's not just /vr/, it's the same everywhere anon. Last time I checked an AVGN video out of morbid curiosity (I know I shouldn't, I try not to) his writers made him mock the whole "90's protag one-liner" trope. That's how far removed from the NES "retro gaming" has become, nowadays even mid 90's tropes everyone enjoyed are subject to mockery.
Also we still had a lot of NES threads past the rule change, things evolved rapidly in the last few years

What is actually being revealed is how much of the retro gaming scene are nostalgiafags, not sincere retro enjoyers. You just didn't notice it with NES because you also enjoy NES (as one should).

I lot of people in this thread don't understand how much zillennials and zoomers hate 2D games that aren't the latest FOMO indie slop (and they only play those for social clout). They don't consider 2D real gaming. They think Mario 64 was the first video game ever in practical terms.

>>11819394
>Last time I checked an AVGN video out of morbid curiosity (I know I shouldn't, I try not to)
Kek at the insecurity

>>11817764
Goemon translation drama was the tipping point, after that you'd have been foolish to approach this board as anything but /v/ with slightly more video games.

>>11819443
This is very true, I knew a zoomer who insisted every 2D game was bad, even SNES games. Ironically one of his favorite games is Binding of Isaac

>>11814206 (OP)
Black backgrounds really feel old fashioned to me even as an old man myself

>>11814229
Now you american nintendokids know how us european amigachads have felt like during all this time

>>11819654
Yeah.. castlevania had good backgrounds. I especially remember stage 3 foreshadowing dracula's tower (i think)

>>11819692
We got to experience that via amiga shovelware ported to SNES/Genesis.

>>11817545
Objectively it was worse than the C64, which was also cheaper.

NES was kinda trash.

>>11819930
>which was also cheaper.
Bait used to be believable

>>11819941
C64 was cheaper. All you needed was two joysticks and some cassette tapes and you were off and away pirating.

NES with two controllers and a few games was more expensive. And piracy was technically not possible for the vast majority of people back then, on the NES. But it was super easy for the C64, your school chums would hook you up and teach you.

It's cool you're a bingbing wahooer. Nintendo community manager?

>>11819948
At the 1986 launch of the NES, a basic set including the console, two controllers, and a copy of SMB cost $99. The cheapest price I can find for C64 at that time is $199, and that’s only the computer itself.

>>11819948
Why are you larping when you are clearly under 20? The c64 was more than double the cost of an NES with 2 controllers, a light gun, and 8 games.

The NES was only $179 and included 2 controllers, a light gun, and retail games were only $50. C64 was $599 and didn't even come with a gamepad which cost an additional $40. A single button digital joystick was far inferior to a gamepad for games too.

>>11819962
anon the c64 cost $600 at launch.

>>11819443
>hate 2D games that aren't the latest FOMO indie slop (and they only play those for social clout)
I wonder how many of them even enjoy those kinds of games AS games, and not just as tokens to virtue signal about the progressive values that the games inevitably include, and to allow them to better participate in "The Fandom"

>>11819981
I know, I said “at that time” to specify its cost when the NES launched.

>>11819207
Which ones is the one with the "horrible night to have a curse" stuff? 2 right?

I swear on me mum all Castlevania discourse I've heard online is
>1 hard but fun
>2 an actual nightmare of game design mistakes
>Crickets
>Castlevania IV is the goat
I have never heard anything one way or the other about Castlevania 3, I swear

>>11819981
It was $200 or less by the time the NES was gaining speed in 1987 or so. NES didn't even exist when the C64 launched, zoomer.

>>11820012
To be fair 3 gets mentioned less. In europe it released AFTER 4

the 1980s suck regardless of anything that's the problem

>>11814206 (OP)
I disagree I think people rate it just fine. Its still looked at as this important legacy system that had plenty of great games and paved the way for what gaming is today in a lot of ways. I don't think people really hate or diss it much at all. If you see that its usually just trolls and most people will dismiss their garbage opinions as fake trolling for bait.

So if you want my hot take on it I loved the console and wish I still had my collection today as well as my original NES. The console is full of all time classics that are still amazing today. I am pretty sure many devs in the industry have realized in hindsight they could have made even better or more "approachable" NES games back in the day with all the things that have been learned since then. We easily could have had plenty of action/platformer games for example that had things like checkpoints or save systems while still being long enough to feel like proper games.

>>11819017
Oh now you want to take more time? What happened? I thought you didn't have the time to play games and needed save states and rewind.

>>11819149
>They're all janky as fuck and not good to control.
Stopped reading. You're too retarded for video games. That's just sad.

>>11819930
Is this the same retard that was trying to say that Choplifter on a Apple 2 from 1977 had more advanced physics than games on a NES? LMAO what a fucking moron.

>>11820060
ITT: Retarded contrarian trolls.

>>11820131
Which games on NES?

>>11820016
Zoomie you are making a disingenuous comparison. The NES dropped to $99 in 2 years. Do you want to compare launch price or discount price? C64 was always more expensive either way.

>>11819993
Ok then you compare it to launch c64 price. Regardless though NES was always cheaper you stupid fuck

>>11820151
All of them. How about that for your spastic little brain.

>>11814806
Can't wait until we get youngfags (gen alpha I guess) starting to say this same thing about Genesis and Super Nintendo games. They will then say gaming didn't even begin until 3D gaming became a thing. They will claim that it took indie developers to make proper 2D games. Everything before PS1 and N64 was completely unplayable. However because its an objective fact a lot of this gen had janky 3D games where developers didn't even know how to make properly functioning 3D cameras yet its possible gen alpha will even completely skip over to the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube gen instead. So that means gaming didn't even get "good" until after 2000.

The goal posts just keep moving. The opinions get shittier and shittier by the year. Maybe younger people shouldn't even play video games if this will be their awful opinions. Maybe they are the ones who actually need to go outside for once. They do nothing but complain about everything.

>>11820285
>They will then say gaming didn't even begin until 3D gaming became a thing. They will claim that it took indie developers to make proper 2D games. Everything before PS1 and N64 was completely unplayable. However because its an objective fact a lot of this gen had janky 3D games where developers didn't even know how to make properly functioning 3D cameras yet its possible gen alpha will even completely skip over to the PS2/Xbox/Gamecube gen instead. So that means gaming didn't even get "good" until after 2000.
FUCKING. BASED.

Except the part about indie devs. Fucking flash games and earthbound-likes..

>>11814310
>overrated console of its generation
Compared to what? The Master System?

>>11820303
>Gen Alpha
>playing games
Maybe the early ones, but by the end of their generation, it'll be nothing but "@grok is this true" ChatGPT zombies watching AI Vtubers play soulless, largely AI-generated games.
>inb4 overreacting boomer, they say this about every new tech
Honestly people greatly underestimated the impact and pervasiveness of social media addiction. Internet addiction in general became so commonplace 10+ years ago that it it isn't even recognized any more, it's basically just the norm.

>>11817670
*In the US
**only for consoles

>>11814206 (OP)
I don’t trust someone’s take on video games if they think there’s no NES games that are still fun to play. Sure some series (Metroid, Fire Emblem, or any RPG really) that didn’t get good until the 4th gen, but if you can’t play some classic Mario and have a good time your brain has been rotted.

>>11820285
>starting to say this same thing about Genesis and Super Nintendo games.
If you think the NES "timeflopped" it's not that big of leap to say that the SNES "timeflopped" as well. Aside from superficial differences like graphics and sound there is little distinguishing the console libraries.
>However because its an objective fact a lot of this gen had janky 3D games where developers didn't even know how to make properly functioning 3D cameras
I do sort of think that every 3D game that doesn't use the Halo control scheme or keyboard and mouse has "timeflopped" the same way that the original anon wrote about the NES. SM64 is the Pitfall or Pac-Land of console 3D gaming (I say this as a compliment to all three.)

>>11820353
>if you can’t play some classic Mario
I played SMB3 with my 6yo nephew. Good for kids to start with. Simplistic compared to games that came after. Same with Zelda. 3D just opens up more possibilities.

>>11819389
I see what you are saying, I just mean that compared to many games released in the last 10-15 years, they need no/little tutorialising, the player has a fair chance at learning what they can do fairly quickly and just get on with playing. Of course there are bound to be some exceptions.

>>11820353
>Sure some series (Metroid, Fire Emblem, or any RPG really) that didn’t get good until the 4th gen

No

just no

There are many people who will not watch a black and white movie. Same exact situation. People of low intelligence, poor taste, and in the case of video games, no skill.

>>11814206 (OP)
Probably because something like the PS2 is to zoomers what the NES is to millennials, and theirs actually has good, readable visuals compared to everything that came before it. So there could be a more glaring cut-off for what's "too dated" to them. But I'm spitballing.

>>11820420
Yes

ITT: seething boomers

>>11820420
Could you elaborate? I think any Metroid before Super is dull and held back by the hardware so exploration isn’t interesting like it should be. While JRPGs definitely aged better than most western RPGs from this era, it’s still clear that they didn’t know how to make them not grindfests like Mother 1, or were janky and unbalanced like the first two FE games.

>>11820669
He doesn't have to elaborate, you're saying that some of the best selling, critically acclaimed, video game defining games aren't good. It's like saying 2001 Space Odyssey and Alien aren't good and that sci-fi movies didn't get good until Aliens. The only truth is that your tiktok generation has no patience for anything that doesn't give an immediate response hence you picking on those genres, after all your time is limited since society forces you to doom scroll 4 hours a day which as a result makes RPGs bad design.

Only a handful of games actually hold up and are still worth even emulating, and I'm saying this as a 40-something boomer. The microsecond I got a SNES I never looked back except to snag a Genesis.

>>11820310
yes... also the atari 7800

>>11821001
Ok unc name one good NES RPG. JRPGs on Nintendo platforms didn’t get good until Chrono Trigger, which isn’t a game that gives you an immediate response.

>>11817329
I don't think it'll ever be as bad as Atari's case, but what's happening with the NES, which is what OP's asking, is a similar process, just not as drastic.

>>11820425
This. I only draw the line at Silent Films. And even then there are some silent films that are still awesome and timeless.

>>11821012
>The microsecond I got a SNES I never looked back except to snag a Genesis.
... they're the same generation.

>>11822821
No, it's not the same. What OP is "asking" is just made up in an attempt to drive demand down so he can buy in at a lower price. NES games are too expensive. That's the only argument being made here.

>>11821543
Both Zeldas, Both StarTropics, Every Dragon Warrior, Ultima 3
That's nine games. There's more and now there are lots of translations of games that used to be Japanese only that are also good.

>>11814206 (OP)
The flood of "retro game gen x guy" has died off now that they are all old and no one actually plays 8-bit games for more than 30 minutes.
The other thing is that everyone interested in these already has a mountain of information about every official release, the only uncharted territory is bootlegs and weird country specific releases. If you're into that, great, but most people find the games boring or shitty because they generally are, and the novelty goes away.

This has happened before and it will happen again with the 16-bit consoles, although I personally feel that will last a lot longer, could just be me but the 16-bit era was too legendary to have the slow death of the NES.

>>11814206 (OP)
almost nothing was ghetto or degenerate back then yet other than maybe LA or movies

could be part of it

>>11823508
>This has happened before and it will happen again with the 16-bit consoles, although I personally feel that will last a lot longer, could just be me but the 16-bit era was too legendary to have the slow death of the NES.

Anon, it's already started. The young people that thinks anything 2D is unplayable are starting to get into college meaning they're starting to shitpost on 4chan like that retard in the other thread that claims FF6 has "png" graphics (only to claim "I was just pretending to be retarded" of course).

The opinions of those that can't appreciate 2D games or hand drawn animations don't matter.
FACT

>>11819047
There was definitely a ton of shovelware on the NES

>>11819149
Nigger you were born in 1994
The N64 is too old for you

>>11819443
SNES boomer here, SMW was my first game ever and I played the shit out of that and Zelda, and to a lesser extent Mario Kart and All Stars
I can't adequately express how disappointed I was with Super Mario 64. The entire 3D thing made it look so childish and lame.

>>11824012
>The entire 3D thing made it look so childish and lame.
The other thing is that sprite based graphics were taken directly from hand drawn images and animated the same way. For all the advances in tech that cannot be replicated.

NES was too early of a console to have a properly developed gamefeel. The lack of notable feedback and structure caused it to age poorly. It wasn't until 4th generation that games developed a satisfying gameplay loop that doesn't waste your time. The aesthetic limitations constrained developers to a limited style that doesn't hold up.

>>11825228
Limitations were not system based but more of a lack game design and then influence of video rentals. Stories not being a large focus wasn't a main focus during that gen

>>11825273
>Stories not being a large focus wasn't a main focus during that gen

>>11823830
Damn mang, honestly, I'm not surprised but just kinda upset.

>>11814206 (OP)
A lot of early/ middle NES games are ruined by the influence of The Tower of Druaga imo. Cryptic bullshit that you are supposed to discover randomly/ read in a hint book and tell everybody how you did it on the playground isn't fun game design. Some games like Zelda do it well but so many potentially great games are ruined by it and it has started to tarnish the reputation of the system as a whole.

>>11825228
>I type stupid shit because I have nothing else to do: the post

>>11814206 (OP)
>start faxanadu
>slowest text ever
Seriously wtf is it with old games and slow text?
>"you should go see the king immediately even though thou arenst not equipped with the means of defending thouest self"
>ok
>go forward
>enemy jumps around
>punch
>nothing
>go back
>go in house
>talk to a person
>"do
>you
>want
>to
>buy
>food
>for
>50
>golds
>?"
>exit game

>>11825582
Every played Zelda 2?

>>11825647
I even liked it for some time

>>11825657
The text is even worse there, it takes so long to print an 8 word max sentence, it's like I'm receiving a telegraph.

Faxanadu is based though. It came out the same year as Zelda II and look how bad Zelda II looks in comparison. Combat with the dagger is awkward until you get a sword, stick with it, it's a great game.

>>11825582
>exit game
filtered

>>11814206 (OP)
It used to be a big topic in places like /vr/, because people who had NES as kids were really into it. Trying out all the games they missed as kids, collecting NES, etc.

Now collecting is way more expensive, and younger generations are more interested probably in the stuff they grew up with. The 4th and 5th gen consoles.

You've also seen a shift with indie games. Moving from NES style pixel art games to more fake PSX games.

>>11821543
Final Fantasy III kicks ass.
>that's famicom not nes
If you want one officially translated into English for some reason, the original Final Fantasy is also good.

>>11825835
I can believe it's good by NES standards, but I have access to other games.
>>11826187
>original Final Fantasy
I considered it, but apparently it has bugged mechanics.

>>11814229
Zoomies keep being right and winning then. Fuck.
I still like'm because I do, but yeah they're mostly bad.

>>11826182
Why are "NES style pixel art games" honest but "PSX games" fake?

>play few stages of castlevania 3
Good for NES
>play few stages of Castlevania: Rondo of Blood
Holy FUCK this game is good.

Guess what game I'm spending the next hour on?

>>11826757
>Guess what game I'm spending the next hour on?
Castlevania: Bloodlines?

>>11826774
I'm hooked on Rondo for now. Just beat a boss who attacked with kisses. I'm having more engaged with the gameplay than Symphony of the Night. And the presentation is pretty close to the same quality.

This is pretty much NES Castlevania perfected. Highly recommended to anyone who liked CV1.

>>11826757
>Good for NES

Good for NES = Great game

>Rondo of Blood
>Holy FUCK this game is good.

Yeah I agree it's always a surprise when a game that isn't on NES manages to be good

Irony aside Rondo of Blood is the perfect example of a game which leaves a great impression in the first few minutes only to realize how shallow it is once you know the game. Meanwhile CV3 is the contrary, the more you play it, the better it gets.

>>11826848
Sounds like you're bullshitting out of boredom.

Anyways I almost got Death on the first go, just a sliver of health. Second try and I got obliterated within 10 seconds.

When the NES was so hip you could find it in porn

>>11814206 (OP)
As someone who's lived to be older than this faggot when the picture was taken and grew up with the stupid thing, I find its limitations to be kinda predictable and dull anymore. Always the same edge-of-screen/overscan discoloration. Shit always respawns a little offscreen. The sprites always flicker. Shit like Super Spy Hunter and the obvious classics are still great, though. Just kind of a boring platform.
Mark Discordia is also dead now holy shit lol

>>11814687
>10 Yard Fight
??

Holy shit I thought he was 40 when it was taken. Christ just bury me already.

>>11826892
Cool unrelated pic, broski.

>>11826757
Rondo of Blood has no nuts for too much of its runtime. It's pretty and has a lot of fun easter eggs but its just unchallenging overall
>just play the SNES game :^)
That's just a amateurish asset flip. It is more challenging though.
Rondo could have greatly benefited from a hard mode or second loop.

>>11826987
>be a plumber
>be italian and look passably like Mario
>thinks the character is cool because he looks like you and you like the games he's in
>has friends, can draw and play music
>takes a funny little photo and submits it to a gaming magazine
>gets shit on for the next 40 years for no reason, meanwhile people have done 10000x more autistic things in the interim
He didn't deserve the hate. This dude probably had sex given that he had an actual job and played in a band, which is more than you can say for most nofriendos. He also had good taste, SMB2 is the only good Mario game between the original 3 and SMW.

>>11827005
I agree. You had to be there, though. This brand of humor was fresh in 2002, and emulation/NES of it was hot.

>>11827005
>>11827010
cont.
I'd say Sean is/was far cringier in retrospect.

>>11820126
You have no standards. Show me where any of those games are fun to control, they're miserable.

>>11824006
t. Zoomer who has absolutely zero idea how things before he was born worked. A 1994 anon would be 5-7 for late N64 lifespan (when 90% of the games released) and would absolutely end up with one because of Pokemania/late life discounts

>>11827010
I was there, but frankly seanbaby was always a cringe faggot, it was like thinking strongbad was funny. I was too busy laughing at jankem and an wiiro shit to think this was funny, frankly.

>>11827017
What is it with you people and abusing the word "janky" into meaninglessness? It doesn't mean "doesn't control exactly like mario".
All the Ninja Gaiden games control perfectly and are the best platformers on 8, 16, and 32 bit consoles. There are much later platformers that control a bit better, but then they run into the modern problem of too much feature bloat.

>>11827017
Mario 3 still has the best movement

>>11827086
>Mario 3 still has the best movement
>can only move in 2D
lmao

>>11827109
Only a midwit thinks limitations are bad

>>11827109
That's a genre not a flaw, retard

>>11827003
Is Bloodlines harder? I've finished 1, 4 and SOTN, played some of 2 and 3, and Rondo of Blood has been the hardest.
I beat Death btw, most kino fight so far. I'm loving the bosses.

>>11814206 (OP)
the nes is mostly a megaman machine for me

>>11827361
3 is by far the hardest.
I'd say Bloodlines is harder than Rondo though, yes. In order to do the equivalent of item crash you need to never get hit.

>>11827372
I just learned there's a thing called item crash in Rondo lol

>>11827370
i genuinely prefer pic related

>>11820012
> I swear on me mum
Okay honestly if you’re British that might make more sense, in US centric circles it’s mentioned a lot more

>>11827372
Not that anon, but I’ve only played the Japanese version of 3 and Rondo is much harder for me.

>>11825228
Retard take.

>>11825582
Why would you admit that you're too stupid for video games? You're not 6 years old anymore. If you can't figure this shit out as an adult there's something wrong with you.

>>11826182
>You've also seen a shift with indie games. Moving from NES style pixel art games to more fake PSX games.
That's because it works so well. I grew up with NES and I love modern indie PSX demakes.
The reason why the old big budget NES games look and work so much better than indie approximations is because of the seasoned professional talent behind the original works.
Quality 3D games take less talent.

>>11826863
He's not. You never put any time into CV3.

>>11827017
>Proud Retard

>>11827459
Imagine my shock when after finally defeating frankenstein's monster and the other 3 classic bosses, heart pounding, the game reveals a fifth boss. This shit needs a perfect run..

Have you by chance played SOTN as Richter? I started wondering if it would be as fun.

https://youtu.be/3pqAJHSjQXY?si=kUlFqdi1uGI4D_ET
It's not that people hate it, it's fatigue.
It's the most iconic console of all time and special snowflake effect takes place in people

>>11827747
Another npc letting youtubers tell it what to think

>>11814206 (OP)
I don't know what NES did so damn right but it def was something. The most SOVL from a console ever. I want the old Nintendo back pre vada bing yahoo era. But I guess we'd aldo need Capcom back, the company thst made most of the actual content

>>11828590
> But I guess we'd aldo need Capcom back, the company thst made most of the actual content

That's Konami. Between Famicom/NES/FDS, Konami released around 100 games, while for Capcom it's between 40 and 50.

>>11814206 (OP)
>was the center of American pop cultural circle jerking from 2015 to like a year ago
mfw
>>11814257
The really fucking funny thing is that I don't have an eye for art at all but I can see it now that I know that.

>>11815957
>>11816382
Ditto, I'm a zoomer and didn't own an NES until I was 14 but loved both its and the Super Nintendo's libraries because of my dad's huge rom collections.
Apart form not being a very entertaining person, I don't see any reason to jerk off on YouTube games I love because I have better things to do with my time and for a lot of them, I'd just be re-treading the same ground Normal Boots did but wihout any of the charm or talent.

>>11820669
> or were janky and unbalanced like the first two FE games.
mfw, I started playing FE1 for the first time a couple days ago and have been absolutely loving it. Only on chapter VII right now but everything's made pretty clear and short of unlucky criticals I think it's abnormally fair and acessible to zoomies.
But I say this not having played any of the games that come after, so for all I know it's just a case of
>I DIED AND HAD TO REDO THE WHOLE LEVEL?
>WHAT KIND OF WHEELCHAIR-INACESSIBLE SHIT IS THIS!?
>>11826187
I strongly agree, it's really hard for me to decide between III and IV.

I played Final Fantasy 1 out of curiosity
>good presentation
>time to come up with 4 letter names, it seems..
>I've heard the game is buggy, so I'm uncertain what classes to pick
>combat system sucks
>seems to require fast forward
>looks like grinding is required
I was interested in seeing more enemy sprites, but I'm not spending 30 hours on this. Moving on to FF4.

>>11826746
I didn't intend anything negative by "fake PSX games" there. I think they can be cool just like fake NES games can be cool.
>>11827721
I love them too

>>11831947
>combat system sucks
>seems to require fast forward
>looks like grinding is required
keep in mind that these are the zoomie fucks who pattern their whole lives around the Persona games

>>11831947
>time to come up with 4 letter name
>shit, piss, fuck, cunt

>>11831947
Play the gba/psp remake?

>>11832283
(not person ye replying to)
GBA ver? cleared it, yet to beat warmech because I didn't encounter it yet, for PSP on the other hand, just started it... ...also hope my PSP's laser lasts long enough for me to clear it fully.

I dunno I think NES is kino. I never had one growing up but it's been the nr 1 system I've emulated the most, always come back to it. It's got decent enough graphics to not be Atarishit and has memorable sound. Mega Man series is kino and beating Zelda 1 is an achievement to this day. Also NES is the system with the most romhacks so there's a ton of new games for it.

>>11833203
Mega man is my favorite NES series

>>11831947
>good presentation

Excellent presentation and for the time it does a lot of novel things which are taken for granted through the eyes of a modern player


>I've heard the game is buggy, so I'm uncertain what classes to pick
The bugs barely matter but you're gonna need a healer, either white or red mage

>combat system sucks
no it doesn't

>seems to require fast forward
No it doesn't, pick the fastest speed in the main menu and the game is faster than the vast majority of RPGs out there

>looks like grinding is required
It really doesn't. The only time one could feel inclined to grind is if you want money for equipment for more than one Fighter when you get to the Elf village, but even that you can do without. FF1 is one of the most balanced RPG I can think of. That is unless you don't understand the concept of 80's dungeon crawling and expect to be able to go through all dungeons on the first attempt by spamming X and not caring about what you do like it's a 6th gen RPG, which seems to be what some people expect.

>>11831947
>I've heard the game is buggy, so I'm uncertain what classes to pick
I mean shit this is the most damning zoomer pampered retardation thing of them all, arguably the Thief as a class is worthless because of the luck state being bugged but that's what makes him appealing and fun to play as. The fact the's literally just a normal (and very cool-looking) guy adds a good amount of charm to him and the game as a whole.

>time to come up with 4 letter names, it seems..
Also you think these kids raised on and by twitter would be able to wrap their heads around character limits.