Thread 11815183

Here's your character roster bro

It's a good roster, save maybe Sean, three headswap out of ten characters is a bit too much.

>>11815183 (OP)
>Necro is the only one to never come back in any way during the 3d era
Clear Jannetty. Even Sean was in cutscenes.

>>11815197
>Ryu/Ken weren't even intended for the game
>some mutant freaks that were created for a sci-fi game project but were shoehorned into SF3 for some reason
>new shoto hero everyone hated, to the point he was turned into a joke and never returned
Yeah, "great" roster alright. No wonder so many prefer Alpha 2/3 even when 3rd Strike exists

>>11815183 (OP)
I think I'm picking Ryu or Ken 100% of the time

>>11815581
It's the opposite. SFIII wasn't originally Street Fighter, but at the last minute they got cold feet and threw in Ryu, Ken, Chun, black Ken, and called it Street Fighter

>>11815649
Chun is third strike only.

>>11815183 (OP)
really bizarre stuff

>>11815651
Yang too

>>11815649
No, SFIII was always Street Fighter. It just wasn't supposed to be SFII Again™ until it got pushback from people who wanted SFII Again™.

>>11816279
That's not what I read from the development history of it. It was an original fighting game series that they ended up making into Street Fighter because why bother raking risks as the genre is drying up

Though in reality, they probably should have because I think the niche for new 2d fighters was actually bigger than the niche of "a new street fighter series, again" by the late 90s/early 00s, which is why Guilty Gear (at the time) was more popular than SFIII

>>11815183 (OP)
I hate freak designs always have. Some people love them, but I've only ever wanted to play as "cool" characters. I hate the Dhalsims, Blankas, Chang and Choys, Necros etc of the world

>>11815581
Necro and Oro aren't really that much weirder than Dhalsim and Blanka. The other characters are just people.

>>11818319
its your reptile/caveman brain knee jerk hating ugly or misshapen things

>>11815183 (OP)
Fatal Fury 2 is the actual "Street Fighter 3".

Unless you go by Akira Nishitana creations, in which case it's Street Fighter EX 2!

>>11818772
I thought that guy made all the fatal fury games from the start

>>11815183 (OP)
SF3 legitimately had a better starting roster than SF6

>>11818772
Fatal Fury 1 is the actual "Street Fighter 2"

>>11818319
>hating Voldo
NGMI

>>11818772
>>11819247
Tekken is the actual Virtua Fighter 2

>>11818319
I'm not a huge fan of them either, but SF3 really only has a handful of them anyway.
>Necro
>Oro
>Twelve
>Maybe Q
It's a bit weird to me that people act like SF3's roster was full of freaks when they're a quarter of the roster in 3s.

>>11819259
Q is badass though

>>11818319
True chads pick characters for gameplay reasons

>>11815183 (OP)
If it excluded Ken and Ryu, it would be perfect.

>>11819295
that's more of a sweaty/"professional gamer" thing than a chad thing, which would be to do whatever you want. the most chad move in a fighting game is to never change characters even if they go down on tiers, or to straight up play the worst character and still win

>>11815183 (OP)
the roster that killed fighting games for a decade

Smash Melee is the true spiritual successor to World Warrior

>>11819369
pick at least a fighting game as an example

>>11819372
>it's not a fighting game if it doesn't ape SF2

>>11819380
it's not a fighting game if it plays nothing like any other game in the genre

>>11819380
It's a party game. SB is as much a fighting game as Mario kart is a racing game

>>11819419
Is Bushido Blade a fighting game?
>>11819429
Mario Kart is a racing game.

>>11819451
>Mario Kart is a racing game.
No it's not. No serious racing competition in the world is decided by RNG.

>>11819451
>Is Bushido Blade a fighting game?
No, Arena Fighters are a different genre that honestly, are more akin to wrestling games than anything.

Guess what, Punchout isn't a fighting game either. And Ninja Gaiden and Golden Axe aren't the same as Soul Calibur

>>11819461
What kind of games are arena fighters?

>>11819461
>Punchout isn't a fighting game either. And Ninja Gaiden and Golden Axe
You can't fight other people in those games.

>>11818293
What you read was a shitty MEDIA LITERACY ESSAY on youtube.

And SFIII at least still has the privilage of not being SFII Again, that was SFIV

For me, it’s Elena.

>>11819489
Games where you fight in an arena, aka a small sandbox with 3 dimensional movement. 3D fighters even, have limited 3D movement, anchored to your opponent

>Good roster
>Oh and btw here's your government-mandated boring ass kindergarten characters
Shotos suck

>>11819323
Gameplay reasons doesn't necessarily mean mean minmax. It should mean the character who's tools you enjoy using the most.

>>11815581
>literal whos from sf1
>copy pasted chars from sf2
>jk and gypsy waifubait
how is this better lmao

>>11819751
I don't play gimmicks

>>11819913
This is the quintessential SF cast

>>11820176
>everything that isn't boring is a gimmick
Grow up

>>11820180
yeah, and it's shit.

>>11815183 (OP)
my dad and uncle played a lot of sf2 and alpha back then, and the moment they looked at this roster they just couldn't be interested in the game

>>11819913
I'd honestly be more interested in seeing sf1 characters brought back in a game than sf2 characters. At least they aren't nearly as overused

>>11820198
Good thing nobody cares about Gen Z opinions regarding 90s franchises.
>lil peep fan chimes in about street fighter
Yeah no, go back to /v/

>>11815183 (OP)

This amazed me when I first encountered the arcade machine back then. A fighting game with not one but TWO playable zombies?? Why?!? I would eventually learn that neither of them is a zombie, but the first impression is what counts the most. (For me, it was actually a positive impression, because such a bizarre design choice made the game more interesting. But I guess most people like things to be exactly as they expect.)

I don't know why they made those two so zombielike though. Dhalsim is stretchy and doesn't look like he's undead. Blanka is a mutated monsterman and doesn't look undead. And Oro... I mean he's just a human, so why does he have a head that very clearly is not human? I guess hiding his arm is maybe something Japanese people would have recognized from martial arts superhero stories or something (even though to American me it looked like evidence of post-death decomposition), but that crazy beak they gave him is too much. The yellow skin too.

>>11820563
>And Oro... I mean he's just a human, so why does he have a head that very clearly is not human?
He just looks like an old guy with Jaundice, obviously he's weird-looking and sticks out, but I don't think he really looked inhuman in the art until 3rd Strike

>>11819460
video games aren't serious racing competitions

>>11820563
>And Oro... I mean he's just a human, so why does he have a head that very clearly is not human?
he's like 180 years old

>>11820472
top lel

>>11815183 (OP)
what a bleak fucking roster

>>11820831
That drawing does look more human, but it still 100% looks like a monster - a human-type monster, like a zombie or some kind of human-troll crossbreed or something. But in the game, the dome of his skull often looks like a dinosaur's bone helmet with a giant nose guard on the front, and his hair looks like tentacles. I know his backstory now but to me he still looks more like a half-melted zombie than anything else. (Which, as I said before, is pretty cool. I was disappointed to learn he was just old.)

They're iconic now, but you wouldn't touch a current game with this roster with a teen-foot pole.
All SF entries start barebones.

>>11821050
Nobody likes any SF character past II to the current game beyond Sakura, Karin, Ibuki, the Final Fight migrants, and Juri

>>11821109
Urien
Dudley
Makoto
Elena
Yun/Yang
Q/G
C.Viper
Rashid
Jamie
Marisa
Manon
you clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about

>>11821116
Those are not popular and they're all cringe

C Viper would have been popular but Juri was more, that's why she hasn't been in a game since. Don't confuse you being a fanboy with shit taste for mass popularity

>>11821143
>Those are not popular
wrong
you don't know what you're talking about

>>11821143
C viper is literally in the next season pass for Street Fighter 6 lol retard

>>11821143
nigga what? the SF fanbase has been begging for Makoto to come back for two whole games now

>>11821156
Makoto and Dudley have a small portion of woke fans, they don't count

>>11821159
>makoto
>woke
This is some good bait

>>11821159
>"none of these people are popular"
>immediately proven wrong
>"u-um. uhh, doesn't c-c-count somehow, oh uhm. w-woke"
lmfao. retard

>>11821163
Woke fans don't count. Nobody who's a real fan wants dyke appeal, non sexualized females or black characters at all. Go fuck yourself

>>11821169
>seething this hard over getting btfo
lmfao. retard

>>11821171
KYS sjw, you can't fight, so don't play fighting games. In the 90s we were real martial arts fighting men

>>11820850
>He doesn't know about iRacing
Do you know the current F1 champion plays iRacing religiously and does all kinds of tournaments on it, including yearly 24h resistance races?

>>11821161
She's a darling of safe edgy faggots
>uhhh the strong muscular woman, please dominate me mommy

>>11815581
>new shoto hero everyone hated
I REALLY doubt anyone had strong opinions on Sean at the time that didn't boil down to him being in a game they didn't like.

>>11821169
>>11821184
>>11821479

>>11821169
Dee Jay and Balrog are literally fan favorites.

>>11821475
cool. how about Forza?

>>11821593
Forza is dead as a serious racing game anon

>>11821609
there are no serious racing games.
they're games.

>>11815183 (OP)
it would be fine as long as it had a character select song to go with it that's fire, like the one below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24kssYOEysU&t=290s
>>11818293
>That's not what I read
your diary desu

>>11821109
People fucking love Urien and Makoto

>>11819913
It looks like a sf cast, not like the original sf3 cast

>>11822253
>Urien
the fuck? nobody talks about that jobber

>>11822468
You live under a rock. He was in 5 and people popped off.

>>11822481
everybody hated SFV, faggot, nobody played that shit

>>11815437
He was in the background in the SFV Halloween stage.

>>11819245
I do not like Ibuki. She's just a worse version of Mai, inverted almost taking away the positives and adding negatives
>Mai dresses hot, Ibuki is covered up
>Mai has a flirty arrogant additude, but isn't actually slutty but a hopeless romantic
>Ibuki is a shy little girl, but is canonically a boy crazy whore

>>11823831
Prove it.

>>11821479
You're referencing the wrong meme on purpose.
Go back to /v/

>>11822484
>everybody hated SFV, faggot,
7 million sold, more than whatever Pokken made and people thought that was a cash cow

>>11822484
>revisionist history for a 10 year old game
wild

>>11815183 (OP)
Literally, nothing wrong with this roster. It would be better if it included Q, Makoto, Hugo, Twelve, Remy, and Yang, and excluded Ken and Ryu.

>>11824241
>pretending people didn't and don't to this day shit on SFV
you don't know what the fuck you're talking about

>>11819323
>love freaks
>love what freaks do no matter what
simple as

>>11823919
gay boy

>>11819245
>>11821042
SF3 is so fucking ugly.

>>11824602
you are so fucking retarded

>>11824554
well that's the duality of man. i just always hated those designs in games

even "cool" characters like cody and guy were a little awkward, SF just kind of is defined by exaggerated features

>>11815183 (OP)
Dudley's theme in New Generation excuses all of the shitty aspects of the game.

>>11824369
That doesn't mean it wasn't popular.

>>11815183 (OP)
A roster of only 10 characters is acceptable for indie fighters, and games made before the year 1995. Anything else and it's a disgrace.

>>11818319
Found the Ryu/Ken main.

>>11825412
do you want a giant roster, or do you want a roster where 30-70 percent isn't unusable competitively?

>>11825512
Having 5 meta characters in a game with 10 characters isn't any better than 5 meta characters in a game with 30 characters.
Have you ever seen a game publisher marketing their fighting game with a tiny roster as a feature? Oh yeah, no one besides some contrarian baitposter would ask that.

>>11825512
99% of players are not professional competitive players. 20% of that 99% are casually competitive, maybe 25%. So roughly 74%, the overwhelming majority of players of fighting games are not competitive at all. Yes, I would not really care if 90% of a roster isn't competitively viable.

The bare minimum acceptable roster size is 14.

>>11825578
>>11825637
There are levels of competitive, but MvC2 is absolutely broken compared to MvC1

>>11824554
AI used to be cool

>>11826029
meanwhile people still play MvC2 competitively to this day. it's even a main stage game at Evo this year.

>>11815183 (OP)
>no guile type charge character on launch
fucking DROPPED

>>11826393
And the same broken teams will be used because 90 percent of the roster is unusable

I don't play games like that

>>11826393
>>11827521
And I'm never going to play it at EVO, so I don't really care.

>>11826470
Oro is there.

>>11815183 (OP)
Thanks bro. I know life gets busy but I'm glad we still make time to play fighting games together.

>>11827539
I mean if you play it online it's the same deal. MvC2s tiers and gimmick teams are so well known.

>>11828338
Nu uh

>>11827521
>>11827539
it doesn't matter what you like or what you're going to play. the point is that MvC2 has remained active for over 20 years while MvC1 was dead after 2. this is proof positive that a wildly unbalanced roster isn't that big a problem if the game is fun enough.

>>11829501
>You cannot go against the grain
I can and will, thanks jack

>>11830791
nobody gives a fuck what you do or don't do. youre just wrong if you think having an unbalanced roster automatically makes a game bad.

The most balanced fighting game is SF1

>>11815437
they also never brought back sodom for some reason.

>>11831497
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hou0lU8WMgo

>>11831670
Sodom mostly gets cameos nowadays, like in SFxTekken where he's got all of Mad Gear putting on a Kabuki show until Haggar crashes it.

>>11831670
Well, Sodom was never in SF3, so if you're going to use people from other SFs there's a lot that have never been in 3D.

>>11831670
Because his name means gay ass fucking

>>11832742
so? "Sagat" is Thai for "rimjob"

>>11819245

SF3 had everything done better than SF4, 5 or 6.

>>11819913
>you don't like SFIII base roster,
>here is alpha 3s roster, possibly the best roster in all of fighting games
Weird counterarment

>>11819913
SF fans liked SF characters huh weird

Why are fighting game people both bitchy and retarded

>>11819259
They mean black people.

>>11819913
At least post the canon version, you twat.

>>11835458
Because there's two types of posters. Those who play competitively with the 5 other people who still play the game on fightcade and scrubs seething about sour grapes.

>>11836459
>Badly scaled CVS sprites

They should just redraw them

>>11836526
Nah they should have replaced every Alpha sprite they could with a CVS one.

>>11833559
woah that's exactly what my favorite streamer said!

>>11836459
>1920x1080
lookin' good

>>11836564
lmao I didn't pay attention to that I just searched for "alpha 3 max select screen"
but yeah

I ain't puttin 50 cents in for that roster.

>>11836465
I play with friends I didn't meet on this zoomer infested board because I grew up in the 90s and have been playing these games since childhood faggot

The worst of all is people like you, never played BEFORE Fightcade but thik they're hotshit big boys even though they were born in 2000 and didn't learn a hadouken until 2009, go fuck yerself jerkoff

>>11818293
>It was an original fighting game series that they ended up making into Street Fighter because why bother raking risks as the genre is drying up

But Capcom at the time was absolutely SHITTING OUT experimental new fighting game properties. Seriously around the same time period you had Red Earth, Cyberbots, Tech Romancer, Plasma Blade / Star Gladiator, Rival Schools, Power Stone, etc. And that's not even counting stuff that became franchises (Darkstalkers, Marvel Vs) or were based on / spin offs from other ip's (jojo's bizarre adventure). Capcom by the late 90's were absolutely not afraid of new IP's for fighting games.

>>11818293
>Maximilian DooDoo told me so

For the love of god people, stop getting your opinions from Wikipedia and YouTubers.

>>11837084
But CPS3 was not feasible.

>>11837214
No that's what I read in an interview with the slants who made the game

>>11837263
And Miyamoto also hated DKC and said games cared about graphics with mediocre gameplay...

>>11837264
I can't help that Japanese are shady assholes who always contradict themselves and lie to suit their narrative, many such cases especially when it comes to lying about obviously derivative characters origins

>>11837264
well, he wasnt wrong.

>>11837431
That quote is a false narrative made by a tumblefuck magazine you idiot

>>11824597
>>11819245

I miss those big curvy feet of hers.
Why in modern games just focus on waist up shots.
They miss all the foot poses, and full body shots.

She'd be a foot slut queen in SF6,
even more than try hard mall goth Juri.

>>11816243
Yang is there since New Generation

>>11820176
Every character in every sf game is a gimmick

>>11837214
it took me thirty seconds to get real answers from the people involved in the games

Akira Yasuda
(Street Fighter 3 artist, Capcom Japan)
It's a bit of a complicated story, but [Tomoshi] Sadamoto, the director of The King of Dragons, initially conceived of making an original fighting game that wasn't part of the Street Fighter series.

I remember seeing the initial concept of Sadamoto's game and thinking, You know, they're probably going to want to turn this into a Street Fighter game anyway. The characters didn't seem to have a lot of personality, so I proposed that they add Ryu and turn the game into a Street Fighter game. [...] At the time, there were team members who weren't really open to or supportive of that idea.

https://www.polygon.com/2020/12/8/22151873/street-fighter-3-an-oral-history

>>11838052
That sperg is gonna claim this is fake and America made it up

Asian autistic FGC poser anon is fucking annoying

>>11838052
NTA you were arguing with but this isn't really the narrative you were pushing

"somebody pushed an original fighting game but it was boring as shit, let's just make a new street fighter instead" =/= "wow we made it street fighter because we're so risk averse and didn't think a new fighting game could be made otherwise (even though we're currently putting out 20 other original fighting game ips)"

This reminds me of guys constantly arguing over "n-no, Silent Hill 4 was totally meant to be a totally original game and unconnected to Silent Hill". Bitches don't know how a "concepting" phase works.

>>11839009
NTA that was pushing that narrative, that's the bro just above you

I just posted the Akiman source for the sake of being bedantic. it's a good read anyway

>>11838052
>The characters didn't seem to have a lot of personality
>so I proposed that they add Ryu

>>11839578
pre-SFIII roster

Velociraptor
Violent New York Detective: "Aikido fighter. American Ryu."
Pankration Man
Jiujitsu Fighter: "Only fights with throws and joint locks. Has a beautiful wife"

Ninja
Islamic djinn (Azam in SFV)
Rollerblade
Poison Hand Man (F.A.N.G in V)
Martin (mutated mandrill enemy from the manga Baoh by Araki)
Professor

Business Man (Hideo Shimazu in Rival Schools)
Flier: "Tae Kwon Do"
Street Dancer: "Practices Capoeira, Brazil's legendary martial art. Mainly attacks with his feet. Does all of his moves upside down"
Marionette Master
Assassin: "Mirage tricks. Assassin that uses Praying Mantis"

>>11839671
half of them belong to tekken, the other half to darkstalker series. the darkstalker ones have a certain appeal.