It's the most technical, balanced and satisfying fighting game ever made. It has a strong community, many of which are fellow retro gamers. The stages and music are a love letter to the golden age of Nintendo. It has the best netplay of any fighting game ever, and you get to make Nintendo jannies seethe in the process.

>>11816778 (OP)
Pedo city, no thanks.

>>11816778 (OP)
>balanced
>technical
It's a good party game from time to time and I loved it when it came out. But I don't care to learn a bunch of glitches and master one of like 3 viable characters to compete with try hard autists.

>>11816778 (OP)
I would be absolutely embarrassed to make a post like this.

>>11816778 (OP)
>technical
Sure; but in a retarded and glitchy manner that led to the community revolving around cheat controllers and softmodded versions of the game and constant debates on where to draw the line.
Which makes it the opposite of
>satisfying
When you can play a technical game that functions properly without glitches like Tekken. And I'm not referring to commonly used movement techniques, but shit like the invisible ceiling glitch or pokemon stadium glitch which randomly change the outcome of matches
>balanced
So why did they had to add a ledgegrab limit? Most of the cast is trash, every other Smash game is more balanced.

>>11816778 (OP)
Because I haven't dedicated the last 25 years of my life to playing, and having interacted with Smash players, I know it's not a community that I particularly want to be a part of myself.
Both of which mean I'd always be at a huge disadvantage.

>>11816807
>>controllers and softmodded versions of the game and constant debates on where to draw the line

i don't follow smash anymore but this didn't happen back in the day, you're just trying to create a bait thread

it's people like you why smash beyond melee is casual baby trash, imagine if they actually balanced the characters instead of add random tripping

i had a good time with the competitive gamers at my local college in the '10s and we even tryharded smash 64 after we got to know each other

not a fighting game

>>11816803
>3 viable characters
Overplayed meme. Melee is one of the few fighting games where there isn't two S tier characters that dominate the meta. Yoshi, Puff, Fox and Marth have had a fairly equal share of major tournament wins lately. For a decade the best player played Peach. You can truly do well with any of the top 10 characters because the game is about spacing and reading your opponent rather than traditional fighters where you pick an S tier and spam combos to win.

>>11816816
>i don't follow smash anymore but this didn't happen back in the day
nta but yes it did (at least the controller part)
filing notches into your stick gate for better angles was almost a necessity for fox/falco mains, and removing the springs from your triggers for quick shielding offered an unfair advantage over players with stock controllers
i can't say for certain whether they were allowed in tournaments, but both were and continue to be very popular mods for smash players

i guess the "soft modding" could refer to the gecko codes used in tournaments that boot into the 1v1 character select screen with all the rules preset, but that's not really cheating at all
unless you count that one pichu player, who got caught using codes that buffed his main

>>11816825
>people do shit to gain an advantage so therefore the game bad
Are you retarded? Have you seen how much money the rest of the fighting games community shells out on arcade sticks? But melee le bad because they cut a spring, lol.

>>11816803
>le glitches
>le 3 viable characters
Thanks for confirming you don't know shit about the game and only glean information from /v/ shitposts.

>people looking at top level tournament autists and assuming this is what you have to do at every single level of play
Every time.

>>11816851
If you're not playing to win then what are you doing? Go with the winning meta or don't play.

>>11816845
>Have you seen how much money the rest of the fighting games community shells out on arcade sticks?
Okay, and?
How does that factor into "this didn't happen back in the day"?
>But melee le bad because they cut a spring, lol.
Nobody said that. Stop making up arguments in your head to get mad about.

>>11816875
You don't have to sweat tryhard "winning meta" at a local.

>>11816778 (OP)
because everyone playing it today bans items and all but a few stages to keep it balanced

>>11816797
FPBP

>>11816807
Don't even pretend Brawl is more balanced than Melee.

Competitive Smash simply isn’t fun.

>>11816797
/thread

Update: greatest Melee player of all time has sexually harassed multiple women on stream

>>11817126
how old were the women?

>>11817126
Hbox? Mang0?

>>11816778 (OP)
the degeneracy & autism of smashfags is why nobody will ever take competitive smash seriously and why some even go as far as to applaud nintendo for trying to stomp out the melee scene.

>>11816875
having an "I MUST WIN" mentality in a casual environment is cringe. you're not cool, you're basically the guy who t-bones people in touch football or gets into fistfights with the umpire at little league games.

>>11816803
This. Good game that is ruined by bug abusing autists. I would rather play a smash game without so many bugs.

>>11817153
Whatever you're thinking of isn't bugs or glitches. I don't think there's any glitches that are used competitively.

>>11817154
kek. this is the kind of autist I'm talking about. They won't even admit they are bugs and call them "techs"

>>11817159
Can you elaborate on the bugs you're referring to?

>>11817168
Why are you playing dumb?

>>11817185
So no. Got it.

>>11817127
Adults at least
>>11817134
Mango in a Wario outfit dry humping various streamer ladies' heads/shoulders about 8 hours ago

>>11817159
>>11817185
Wavedashing and L-cancelling were both known by the devs before the game came out. L-cancelling was literally a listed Smash 64 mechanic and wavedashing is just a result of how the physics work. These old-ass talking points have actually never had any root in reality
Pic related, of a fan questionnaire where Sakurai himself says he wavedashes and even knows that Luigi's is particularly good

>>11817247
https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/flash/syukeiken/return583.html
Link to said questionnaire
Not sure why people get so rent freed about the tech in this game regardless. I don't really give a fuck if it was put in intentionally, I give a fuck about whether or not I find it fun. We aren't grading the devs' coding homework

>>11816778 (OP)
i do. it's a common feature at some underground raves here

>>11816803
>entire knowledge of the game comes from memes
Playing unranked on Slippi isn't more demanding than any other online fighting game. Any character will work and the buggiest thing you'll see is wavedashing, which is easy to learn

>>11817264
I unironically got filtered by wavedashing. I'd rather deal with motion inputs.

It's a fun party game, sometimes I play it on my Gamecube (but mainly Ultimate on my Switch). But I can't take it seriously as a fighting game when...fighting games exists.

>>11816778 (OP)
i'm not trans

>>11817247
Are you retarded? It was left in the game because it was a rushed release. Not because they wanted people to abuse bugs.

>Q: This is one that a lot of hardcore Smash Bros. fan have long wondered about. Was the ability to “Wavedash” in Melee intentional or a glitch?

>A: Of course, we noticed that you could do that during the development period. With Super Smash Bros. Brawl, it wasn’t a matter of, “OK, do we leave it in or do we take it out?” We really just wanted this game, again, to appeal to and be played by gamers of all different levels. We felt that there was a growing gap between beginners and advanced players, and taking that out helps to level the playing field. It wasn’t a real big priority or anything, but when we were building the game around of the idea of making it fair for everybody, it just made sense to take it out. And it goes back to wanting to make something different from Melee and giving players the opportunity to find new things to enjoy.

>>11817187
So you don't play melee. Got it.

Its really embarrassing watching "pro" smash players play their game. They austistically run around the screen, dashing back and forth for no reason and slide to the ledge and accidentally kill themselves all for "hype" and trying to be cool.

>>11817270
The cheating is so bad that they intentionally destroy controllers to abuse bugs more optimally

if you fags are done being gay we can discuss the meteoric rise of DK

>>11817316
>was it intentional or a glitch?
>of course, we noticed it during the development period
Please tell me you aren't interpreting the "of course" as him saying "of course it's a glitch". They knew it was in the game before release, and clearly could have just added an exception (as they mention doing with Brawl) if they were so opposed to it. But again, it doesn't matter because wavedashing is fun to a lot of people (which is why they added it back in Smash 5), and whether or not it's a glitch wouldn't matter
And nothing afterwards in that answer is actually related, it's just him broadly saying they wanted to lower the skill ceiling with Brawl
You are just very mad about people playing the game differently than you and grasping for reasons to invalidate their fun. Kind of sad really, I don't mind people playing on Pokefloats with items and no tech

>>11817264
>entire knowledge of the game comes from memes
Describes like 95% of people who are mysteriously super opinionated about this game despite having watched a Youtube video at best. One of the ultimate sour grapes games

>>11817317
Right, I said as much here >>11816813
That doesn't change the fact that you were asked a question and lacked the knowledge to even feign an answer, as much as your ad hominem shows you wish it did.

>>11817342
I elaborated on the bugs for him and demonstrated that they arent bugs and just consequences of the engine that the devs intentionally left in, don't sweat it

>>11817247
Mr smash autist, can you show me in the manual where it teaches you how to wave dash? Maybe an in-game tutorial? No? Maybe the official strategy guide? Not that either? Maybe the official smash bros blog that talks about every minutiae???
I just can’t figure out why they would remove all the “tech” in the next game and never bring it back. Take a break from diddling kids and help me out here.

>>11817336
Are you fucking retarded? He literally says that they decide to take it out when they have time during brawl development to make the game fair. It creates an unfair gap between casuals and autistics to allow the game to revolve around bugs.

>its been 25 years and people are still mad about other people using moves they don't like in a party game

>>11817336
>whether or not it's a glitch wouldn't matter
kek you literally just said it's not a bug. stop arguing with the voices in your head.

>>11817345
They did bring wavedashing back in Smash Ultimate, you just have no idea what youre talking about, clearly
Being in the manual isn't the only qualification for being an acknowledged mechanic in a game. And a mechanic being originally unintentional doesn't make it a bug anyway. AND it being a bug ultimately doesn't matter.
And here's a link to the official Smash 64 website that describes the other tech that triggers you people, Z-cancelling (as it was called in 64) https://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/software/nus_p_nalj/smash/Control.html#%E7%A9%BA%E4%B8%AD%E6%94%BB%E6%92%83%E7%9D%80%E5%9C%B0
Please spend 30 seconds on Google before saying more retarded shit to me

>>11817348
I can’t imagine why zoom zooms would not be excited for a game defined by its pedo playerbase.
Or anyone with a sense of smell for that matter.

>>11817351
Sorry but you're just struggling with basic comprehension man. "X isn't Y, but if it was, it wouldn't matter" is not a crazy statement.

/vr/ online Melee tournament when?

And I was happy to see multiple other Link mains the last time a Melee thread was up.

>>11817334
Have their been any major wins with DK, like the aMSa Yoshi victory? Who's the next low-tier to have a renaissance?

>>11817362
lol the autism
It’s not in ultimate bro. What you see in ultimate, where you can land ONCE with it, is not wavedashing. Even your fellow autistic have a different name for it. They call it wave landing and it has no impact on the meta because surprise surprise, when the mechanic works as intended you can’t abuse it to break the game’s movement system.

>>11817347
At no point does he imply its because its a bug, he implies its because it allows for too big of a skill gap between good and bad players. Which makes Brawl a better party/casual game while being an admission that wavedashing lends to Melee's high skill ceiling. Cope

this argument is incredibly stupid. Wavedashing is a physics quirk. It's the game doing what the game should logically do when met with a certain set of factors. They even named the state of it. They just didn't anticipate its applications. It's in the same realm as bunny hopping, rocket jumping, sf2 combos, etc. Them altering the conditions and physics in general for future games so that it's no longer possible is irrelevant

>>11817370
You are coping since you know competitive melee is 99% bug abuse.

>>11817362
None of that describes the bugs that are abused in competitive smash.

>>11817378
>works as intended
You mean when they intentionally make it a bad option? Its still fundamentally the same mechanic, it's just shit now
Its so funny how you people are so obsessed with hating this game and it ultimately comes down to disapproving the semantics behind a few movement techniques that people think are fun
And then when you realize thats retarded you make fun of the pedophiles that were 95% Ult players

>>11817381
Again, can you show us where this is in the manual/game/guide/blog? You know, where every other non-bug mechanic is listed?
Meleeshitters always make such a big fucking deal of this, it’s part of the insufferable kind of personality required to play this game.

>>11817384
such as?

>>11817381
Some Nintendo fan created a wavedashing boogieman in like 2009 and we've been dealing with the consequences of it ever since
Add picrel in and you get this thread full of people saying "nooo you're playing wrong"

>>11817381
Sakurai himself identified it as a bug and removed it in later games. Saying they brought it back in is a blatant lie because it's nothing like the bug abuse in melee. It's not even necessary to wavedash in 5 to be competitive.

>>11817387
None of the competitive melee bugs are in the manual like you claimed. Post a single thing from that manual that does (you can't)

>>11817386
>Meleeshitters always make such a big fucking deal of this, it’s part of the insufferable kind of personality required to play this game.
You understand the irony here right? Wavedashing isn't even that central of a mechanic and yet any time this game is mentioned, 50 people who don't play it crawl out of the woodwork to scream about wavedashing.
90% of the time Melee players talk about it, it's defending the concept to rabid retards like you

>>11817391
>Sakurai himself identified it as a bug and removed it in later games
So tripping was a bug too?
He was aware of it prior to release, chose to leave it in, and only removed it in later installments. It fits all the same criteria.

>>11817385
I actually don’t hate melee. Thats another cope of the competitive smelee sweat. I used to love Melee. It was my favorite game for a short time. I just hate the players. Everyone hates the players. Even before wavedashing, we couldn’t stand your elitist no-fun bullshit under the laughable pretense of balance that continues to poison modern smash to this day. You always try to derail criticism with the “it’s not a bug” argument, which you always lose, and instead of being gracious you immediately pivot to “you’re just a hater.” Completely insufferable subhuman behavior. No wonder Nintendo shut you down.

>>11817392
I linked that page because it references Z-cancelling, which is the 64 equivalent of L-cancelling, which is surely the other one of the "techS" (plural) that you are mad about people using when they play without you. Again, inclusion in the manual isn't not necessary to prove intent; plenty of old fighting games didn't even list full movements in the manual, but those moves weren't bugs
^ you will not be able to respond to this

>>11817386
do you even know what a bug is you fucking retard? No manual is going to tell you to airdodge towards the ground and use the character's traction to space because it's inherently way beyond the scope of such things.

>>11817391
he identified it as a skill divider and didn't want such a thing in his casual game. It's ironic that he still failed in his mission though

>>11817392
>like you claimed.
multiple people are disagreeing with you
>Post a single thing from that manual
i asked a question, i didn't make a claim
YOU made a claim, so which bugs are you talking about

>>11817396
>>11817386
Still waiting chud

>>11817395
>No wonder Nintendo shut you down.
They didn't and can't, so you'll find that upsetting at least
Everything else you said is just you having a victim complex, sorry. Just don't play with people like that if you don't want to. Letting those people ruin the game for you casually is like letting street nogs ruin the concept of basketball for you. No one is making you play with the evil wavedash men

>>11817401
Ah yes another completely intention “advanced tech” that mysteriously disappeared after one game lmao. You’re making this too easy.

There are few people on 4chan who are more fun to bully than smeleefags.

>>11817403
I answered your retarded demand quite thoroughly actually. I think its comparable to fighting game moves that weren't listed in old manuals, and certainly wouldn't be considered bugs. If you don't understand how this is an answer to your question then we are lost, my friend.

>>11817407
So, like tripping?

>>11817407
I don't know why you're pretending that a dev making each of his games different is some kinda statement especially somebody like Sakurai who's on record for taking pride in trying to do so

>>11817396
>he still didn't post a single piece of evidence
kek so the bugs being in the manual was just in your head. You won't be able to reply to this with proof that the manual teaches wavedashing or other competitive melee bugs. I accept your concession and admittance that it is a bug not explained in the manual if you don't reply to this post with proof.

>>11817419
>bugs
Which bugs?

>>11817404
Oh, you think Melee was “ruined” for me? No, no. Such a tragically unfounded sense of self-importance. I do what normal functional humans do and play the next game when it comes out. Unlike you faggots I didn’t moan about tripping like it’s another holocaust. Then I played on 3DS, and now switch. You’re not on anyone’s radar except as a laughing stock and a subject of disgust. People aren’t “jealous” of you or something, talk about a cope lmao

>>11817418
>its an intended feature not a bug!!
he removed it from every other game though which proves it was a bug

>>11817427
That makes tripping a bug.

>>11817425
>he still didn't post proof of wavedashing in the manual
I accept your concession

>>11817427
it's pretty clear that you don't know what a bug is. I guess gliding is a bug too

>>11817430
NTA but no, tripping is explained in manual and in game. Take your meds.

>>11817430
Tripping was an intentional feature. While wavedashing was an oversight (a bug). Why are you pretending that you can't see the difference?

>>11817432
You're not making any sense. You keep talking about bugs but can't explain which ones.

>>11816778 (OP)
Because I bathe

>>11817435
That's not what you said though. You simply said it was removed in future games.
You're moving the goalposts.

>>11817437
Prove it was a bug.
>inb4 prove it wasn't
Can't prove a negative.

Smash's Casual Elitists are always so funny to read.

>>11816778 (OP)
Pretty sure I'm the only actual fighting game player on /vr/ (as in someone who goes to locals/people's houses/nationals to compete) and honestly I think melee is too hard on my hands to ever justify trying to learn. Gamecube pads feels awful to play on for something with such high apm in general but unless you play someone like puff or peach the basic execution wall to even really start playing feels ridiculous for a game with little skill transfer. Take combos for instance: in traditional fighting it's probably just something like linking a normal or two into a special or maybe a chain > launcher > air chain, in melee you have to adapt to numerous highly situational factors like percent, angles, and characted fall speeds. Tech like fast fall and L canceling just feels needlessly complex compared to what they add, I'm sure players could argue otherwise but that's at least how it feels initially learning this stuff. I'm sure it's fun once you do adapt to all that shit but I would rather just stick to 2d fighters where I have a pre established understanding I can take to most games.

>>11817446
You are intentionally being stupid still. I said prove that what you said was in the manual. You can't.

>>11817469
Why would it being in the manual matter?
The GameCube's different startup jingles aren't in its manual, but those aren't bugs. Unless you'd like to argue that they are.

>>11816797
This. Also when the weird shit came out the actual real suggestions like different age brackets and/or a proper vetting system for chaperones/judges was frowned upon but the kangaroo court twilonger shit where some gatekeeper sjw compiles a googledoc with just random allegation is the way they handle this problem.

The other annoying thing about melee fags is their insistence to BE SPONSORED PUBLIC with their romhacks. You are violating copyright law. Nintendo has and always will be against that no matter what.

>>11817491
>Why would it being in the manual matter?
Because you said that the competitive melee bugs were explained in the manual. So you're lying and the bugs are just bugs

>>11817371
DK hasn't won a major yet, but he's come close a few times. I think Link has been on the rise thanks to Aklo.

>>11817507
>Because you said that the competitive melee bugs were explained in the manual
No I didn't.
You're arguing against multiple people and getting confused.
>the bugs are just bugs
Which bugs?

>>11816797
What the fuck does that have to do with the game itself?

>>11817458
>casual elitist being a term that exists unironically
Meleefags have an unrivaled victim complex.

>>11817527
The game that is completely built around playing with other people in person on a GameCube?

Why are we arguing semantics instead of asking Melee seethers where wavedashing touched them as a child?

>>11817565
Melee had some solid single-player content as far as fighting/party games go.

>>11817520
You are arguing against different people too then. I'm the guy arguing with the faggot who said that competitive bugs were in the manual. Try to keep up and reply to the right person then, retard. You still haven't posted proof that they were in the game intentionally so I accept your concession.

>>11817393
Smash is the most popular franchise discussed by people who don't know or care about the gameplay. They get upset at things they don't understand and just want to rosterfag all day.

>>11817595
>I'm the guy arguing with the faggot who said that competitive bugs were in the manual.
Okay, well I didn't say that. You'd do well to take your own advice and reply to the right person in the future, if you're going to be such a prickly bitch about it.
>You still haven't posted proof that they were in the game intentionally
I didn't have to, someone else posted Sakurai confirming that he knew about it and chose to keep it in.

>>11817126
Good. Foids shouldn't be in male spaces period

>>11817578
>Why are we arguing semantics instead of asking Melee seethers where wavedashing touched them as a child?
Why Melee fags are obsessed with touching children?

>>11816803
>glitches
fool. Wavedashing is a feature, not a glitch. The notion is absurd that lines of code like "Move Luigi 9 units forward/backward IF Luigi diagonal dodges either forward/backward into the ground" and "Move Fox 0.5 units forward/backward IF Fox diagonal dodges either forward/backward into the ground" would somehow accidentally program themself without a Human intentionally configuring it to do so

>>11817663
>Why [subject] are [verb] ?
esl spotted

>>11817264
>wavedashing
>bug
Breh...

>>11817328
> intentionally upgrade controllers to abuse difficult techniques more optimally
ftfy n00basaurs

>>11817665
Keep thinking in children being molested, I guess?

>>11817674
holy shit you're getting worse

Reminder that if you got into Melee after EVO 2013, you are eternally a secondary and your opinions don't matter.

>>11817676
at least I'm not lusting in children, sir.

>>11817327
>dashing back and forth for no reason
this serves a tactical purpose in some situations. alternating dashing left/right very rapidly can be a good way to make your opponent unsure which direction you'll move in next in reaction to whatever his next move might be

>>11817680
considering that's the one thing on your mind, i have my doubts

>>11817462
>skill issue
Exactly. Melee has the highest required skill-level to qualify to compete in a professional gameplay environment. at least of any fighter I'm familiar with

>>11817686
whatever helps you sleep at night, im not watching you play your game

>>11817578
>Wavedashers rape kids
This. Ever since I was only 1 years old, my mom and dad would BTFO me with their superior melee skills like Fox's wavedash-to-shine combo chains and etc. I still seethe so hard about it to this day

>>11817680
nta. I'd rather play fighting games with a rapist than an ESL personally

>>11817709
You were 1 year old post-2001?

>>11817720
No I was being sarcastic, I was born in 1989

>>11817706
Just pointing out a flaw in your statement, the part where you said "for no reason"

the reason isn't to look needlessly flashy for an audience, it is a combat maneuver essential to the Smash Bros meta

>>11816818
>Not a Fighter
What genre is it? I thought Super Smash Brothers was about fighting, not about a bunch of faggots running around slapping their dicks together trying not to offend each others feelings

>>11817737
competitive platformer

>>11817716
>nta. I'd rather play fighting games with a rapist than an ESL personally
Is funny 'cause HBOX is an Argentinean immigrant. Melee fags have both: pedophiles and ESL aliens. Enjoy it, faggot.

>>11817690
>considering that's the one thing on your mind
Tendies are crypto jews. See this tendie post: >>11817578
>[...]Melee seethers where wavedashing touched them as a child?
Melee fags are degenerates, its women tournaments are full of troons, Mang0 is a molester and most of (you) bring the idea of children being molested and touched out of the blue.
Is not the 'one thing on *my* mind', you tendie motherfuckers are the degenerates bringing that kind of shit to any discussion.

But according to all of you is worst to play with an ESL faggot who is against your degeneracy, you'd rather play with a troon, a molester or a fucking weirdo that bring like touching children.

Tendies are scum and bring nothing but shame to the this hobby. Go fuck yourself.

>>11817663
First post is someone dismissing the game with muh pedo meme.

>>11817763
OP wanted to discuss the game but the very first post was about pedo shit. You fags threw the first stone.

>>11817728
Its not essential and it is nonsensical. People might delude themselves into thinking that being a dumbass running around and killing yourself is needed to keep your opponent on their toes but its not. People do it because they think its cool autism dash from a ledge or whatever its called.

>>11817763
Tendies might call you an ESL, but never a liar, Anon.

>>11817763
>Tendies are crypto jews
baffling post
whatever AI you asked to type this up for you must not have understood your broken-english-riddled prompt

>>11817809
See? They will call you an ESL but never a liar.

>>11817786
You might as well be complaining about empty jumps and footies being pointless, since they more or less serve the same purpose.

>>11817763
>Mang0 is a molester
Mang0 here. Can confirm I fuck kids. good luck coping and seething. now go git gud scrubs!

English Second Language

>>11817819
If Ryu was full screen and moving forward an inch then moving back to the corner then moving forward an inch then moving back to the corner doing nothing against a down-backing guile at the other end of the screen I would be calling that out too. You can move close to your opponent then move away then move closer again and do your grab/attack whatever mixup and that would be a normal neutral game but thats not whats happening. Its just troubled youths spot-dodging spamming shine then crying on stage.

>>11817786
>killing yourself is needed
This was not the part of your statement I was correcting, you're right on the money on that account, suiciding to taunt your opponent bu lessening the stretch of your lead is needless flamboyance

I was correcting the part of your post about Dash Dancing, which can come in handy in both casual and competitive Smash matches alike

>>11817271
100% this. It's a good party game that (by virtue of it being simple to play, and the only fighting game Ninentdo can actually make) is played obsessively by Nintendo fans, so much so that they've convinced themselves it has the same technical merit as something genuinely great.

>>11816778 (OP)
It's the greatest game of all-time.

>>11817832
>different games that play differently have different tactics
oh wow
Also, spot-dodge spamming would be easy to punish for even mediocre players.

>>11817849
>glitch or bug every half a second in that clip
>good game
kek no

>>11817839
Actual Nintendo fans are the biggest Melee haters, especially later Smash fans

>>11817763
/thread. Melee is a game for cheats, losers, and pedos.

>>11817885
Mechanic that the devs knew about before release and kept in, which even has its own action state in the code*
Seethe

>>11817671
>n00basaurs
Now I'm mad. Take it back you cheating wavedashing piece of shit.

>>11816778 (OP)
I tried playing it but I hate doing smash attacks. The game demands ao much force, you have to fucking slam that stick so hard and fast it feels like I'll cause permanent damage to the controller (and Melee players do). So no I'm not doing that.

>>11817636
>I didn't have to, someone else posted Sakurai confirming that he knew about it and chose to keep it in.
Damn you are fucking illiterate. I'm the one that posted that because Sakurai says wavedashing is an unfair bug that is removed in the next iteration of smash. Just because they didn't fix every bug in a rushed game doesn't mean it's intentionally added. If it was a feature it wouldn't have been removed and deemed unfair.

>>11817890
You can't read. It's a bug that was removed in the very next game because it was considered unfair. It was only left it because of the rushed release. Please stop being intentionally stupid.

>>11817885
>see a character airdodge into the ground
>have an aneurysm
Only in Smash do people throw such a shitfit over a short slide on the ground because they care so much about of muh developer intent. Literally only in Smash.

>>11817903
like tripping?

>>11817898
>Sakurai says [stuff he didn't say]
No he didn't. Read it again: >>11817247

>>11817849
HOLY SHIT GANON'S SKILLS SURPASS NINE FUCKING THOUSAND METAS. based

>>11817907
The characters look like they are having a seizure from all the bugs being abused in that clip.
>>11817919
You're illiterate. He straight up says that they "noticed" meaning it was unintentional bug.
>>11817914
Not a bug. It's explained in game and the manual along with being an intended feature by the devs. You are just going in circles with your retarded reasoning.

>>11817927
>He straight up says that they "noticed"
Yeah, people tend to notice the things they program into their games. Especially when those things have unique action states specifically for them.
>It's explained in game and the manual
Weird, that wasn't one of the qualifications anon gave for something being a bug.
>removed in the very next game because it was considered unfair

>>11817927
>characters look like they are having a seizure
actually you're just too slowpoke-minded to process what is happening on screen at such elite speed levels. asking you to describe what is happening in that webm is somewhat akin to making a house cat watch a full cutscene compilation of Metal Gear Solid 2 and asking it to explain the plot to you afterwards. you and the cat are both equally clueless about gud retro games desu

>>11817257
This only happens with Smash because I guess it's a Nintendo game so supposed to be casual or something. Imagine spending 20 years relentlessly crying about bunnyhopping in FPS games. That's basically what they've been doing for two decades.

>>11817518
Is Aklo really that significant to the Link meta? From my limited understanding of it, Link is his secondary that he throws out either for mix-ups or in specific match-ups, like up against Marth. Finding specific use-cases for Link is significant, but I don't know of it contributing new ideas or options for how Link is actually played, as in the change is
>Link is shown to be effective in X situation
not
>Link is being played in a new way
Like if I look at old videos of Link players, nothing about Aklo's Link looks groundbreaking. He's happy to cheese projectiles with Link (hey, so am I), but I don't know of him contributing much beyond changing the view of Link's viability.

A similar situation (though I'm even less informed on it) could be Mew2King's Young Link versus (Hungrybox's) Jigglypuff. That put Young Link in the limelight, but it only addressed a very specific situation, and he's still broadly considered second to Link.

>>11817954
Last year he used Link to beat the number 1 player in the world Zain. He's certainly the best Link right now even if it's a secondary.
>Mew2King's Young Link
That was Armada.

>>11817952
bhopping is gay too, faggot. metafags are cancer.

>>11817984
>HEY! Excuse me! Sir! Can you please take it easy on me? I can't rival your skills! No more aiming for my character's head, okay? That's fair, no? BUT IT'S TOO CHEAP! HOW IS THIS FAIR? You can kill me in 1 shot but I have to shoot you in the chest 4 times!? This is such fucking bullshit, I give up!

>>11817937
^Tendie coping

>>11817984
filtered

>>11817937
You are purposefully being retarded. He didn't mean "I noticed that thing I intentionally added to the game". The only way you could read it like that is if you are ESL.

>>11817779
It’s the shots that hit closest to him that hit hardest.

>>11818030
*closest to home, jeet-made iOS autocorrect

>>11817941
>mgs2 is deep
it just copied the matrix

>>11818035
MGS2 is getting more relevant by the day. Kojima made an accurate prediction that the over-abundance of information on the net will inevitably transform our intelligent civilization into brainless bufoons

>>11818059
he just copied the matrix anon. it's as deep as a puddle

>>11818062
>NO! Do not ever play MGS2 under any circumstances! Trust me. Just go watch the Matrix again instead okay?
Pathetic take. Almost sounds like bs propaganda the DARPA Chief would post on 4chan to mislead anon

Unbelievable that people still insist that exploit = glitch. This has nothing to do with melee or smash, it just shows a complete ignorance of the subject.
Anybody saying that wavedashing is a glitch can be completely disregarded.

>>11818029
>the only way you could have read what I said the way I said it is if you're esl!
Good response. Didn't even attempt to address anything that was said, and instead resorted to a sub par insult as a last-ditch effort to save face (despite everyone being anonymous).
I accept your concession.

>>11817959
>That was Armada.
Whoops, thanks.
>Last year he used Link to beat the number 1 player in the world Zain.
Yeah, but I still don't know if that's meaningfully pushing the Link meta forward beyond finding advantageous use-cases. Obviously beating Zain with it is huge, but that's why I brought up Armada's Young Link.
>He's certainly the best Link right now even if it's a secondary.
That's Link in the hands of a global top-10. Zain can beat top players with Roy, but has that changed how people play Roy, or is it just that Zain is baseline good enough to nullify the disavantages? (I'm going to guess he's actually revealed some new things about Roy, as he was even lower than Link and probably much less played, but my point still stands that the effectiveness here is possibly more about the player than what one can broadly accomplish with a character.)

>>11816778 (OP)
Good game, terrible community. RIP HAX$.

>>11818115
I didn't concede, unlike you. I've provided direct quotes as evidence proving my point while you just cry and display a lack of literacy. No one here is retarded enough to believe you.

>>11818091
Meds anon. I just didn't find MG2 mind blowing like you did since it was just a bunch of common ideas plagiarized from better media sources. That's kojima's whole thing. He is simply regurgitating the same old garbage about how people are sheep and need to be led. There's nothing mind blowing about saying that history is written by those in power while the banalities are omitted. Did they not make you read basic stuff like Orwell in school?

>>11818192
If you would please consult the image of Sakurai himself saying he was aware of wavedashing.
Thank you, have a good night.

>>11818197
Weird the interview just says he noticed it. Meaning he didn't put it in but it was something he noticed. Like a mistake. Or you could even call it a bug. You are coping and trying to twist it into meaning the exact opposite.

>>11818197
nta. scroll up

>>11818201
>he noticed it
He sure did.
>he didn't put it in
It has unique action states in the game's code. That alone should've marked the end of the discussion.

>>11818209
What does that even mean? Your coping.

>>11818213
>it wasn't intentional!
>btw what's an action state?
Excellent troll. We're done here.

>>11818030
>>11818034
/v/ Jr. at its finest.

My favourite character was simultaneously nerfed and made easier to use from his original appearance in the N64 SSB (Ness) and I don't find it as fun anymore.

>11818213
A ghost unintentionally wrote hundreds of lines of code for each of the 25 characters highly induvial wavedash mechanics by accident without any of the Jap codeworms signing off on it. as a prank

>>11818115
Tendies might call you an ESL, but never a liar, Anon.

I do. I play locally. We have our own meta and tier lists, very different from the rest of the world.

>>11818209
I baked a cake then noticed it.

>>11816778 (OP)
>melee
>blalanced

There's nothing fun about this dogshit game. You are a mentally ill nintentroon and you only pretend to like it cause it has your heckin favorite characters

>>11816778 (OP)
I got too used to the input buffer from Ultimate. Going back I suck shit at it.

The Melee scene has deteriorated in recent years, with many factors to blame for this (fan favorites retiring, controller & button remapping autism, Hax's ban & ostracization, charismatic commentators no longer calling games, etc). I don't care much about the troon angle but yes, it is goofy seeing how overrepresented trans players are in this scene and yes, it is an eyesore. It wouldn't be hyperbole to say the scene is currently at its lowest point.

Having ceded that, I also am not such an impressionable retard & mental midget that a scene becoming increasingly cringe & gay is going to cloud my judgment of the game itself, which provides the the most satisfying gameplay "feel" I've ever experienced. If the entire scene were crossdressers with pungent BO, what of it to me enjoying the game in my room? Improving until such time as you find yourself gliding across the stages & platforms smoothly & stylishly, and then learning to incorporate that into combos (which are more dynamic and engaging than standard fighters lacking DI), makes for the best pure "game" ever IMO. There's many games more balanced than Melee, with more content, characters, accessibility, polish, you name it, but none of them provide an equivalently satisfying feel to play. That this is gatekept behind a "daunting" skill floor is likely at the heart of the reflexive & vehement shitslinging this game receives, because I'm convinced nobody who has played it with any semblance of competence could deny how satisfying it is. Which is unfortunate because the first dozen years I played this game was done so with no knowledge of the competitive scene and it was still just as enjoyable then in its own way

We will still be seeing threads of this nature in 5-15 years - and even longer, I'd bet - because this game has and will continue to pass the test of time and remain relevant since despite its misnomered "glitches" & "bugs", it's FUN TO PLAY and there's no other game that can scratch that same itch

I did a long time ago then I switched my main game to KoF and haven't really looked back, I'd be tempted to pick up Melee again but it seems like I'd have a lot of catching up to do at this point to be decent along with the RSI-inducing nature of the game pointed out in a few earlier posts (I know some people complain about ergonomic issues with arcade sticks but I find them more comfortable for extended usage than leverless or a controller) and there is a fringe benefit to playing traditional fighters in that people don't cry quite as much when you use mechanics that are part of the game as evidenced by half of the posts ITT

>>11817462
Pretty sure I'm the only actual fighting game player on /vr/ (as in someone who goes to locals/people's houses/nationals to compete)
Hi, you're not alone here

Threads you can smell

>>11818461
>poorfags think people only owned 1 console
Sad

>>11816778 (OP)
>It's the most balanced fighting game ever made

>>11819103
Not OP but I suspect balanced was a typo on his end. more likely he meant to type based

>>11818939
>the smell
It's your imagination kid

>>11819393
I don’t understand why Smashfags are singled out as being smelly when every fighting game tournament smells like cheeseburgers and BO.

>>11817386
>the manual doesn't tell you that luigi's taunt does damage
>must be a bug

N

>>11819527
every not super mainstream "nerd" gathering I've ever been to has had some of the worst BO I've ever experienced. Like sickening levels of smell. You don't have to be some super dapper guy but personal hygiene is the bare minimum of you're going to public places

I prefer smash 64

>>11819573
> sips wavedash juice

>>11817386
>Again, can you show us where this is in the manual/game/guide/blog? You know, where every other non-bug mechanic is listed?
I don't really give enough of a fuck to spoonfeed you, but the english translation of the jp blog where sakurai talks about it has been readily available for years.

>>11816778 (OP)
>balanced
There's like 4 good characters

>>11819921
can you name them?

>>11819573
Not a bug since the devs intentionally added that. Unlike wavedashing and other competitive exploits that were noticed later.

>>11819909
Yes and sakurai makes it clear that its a unfair bug which was notice during development. Thanks for proving his point.

>>11819950
proof?

>>11819959
right here: >>11817316
>we noticed that you could do that during the development period
They noticed it meaning it was an unintentional consequence.

>>11819961
>we noticed that you could do that during the development period
>do we leave it in or do we take it out?
>And it goes back to wanting to make something different from Melee
seems like it wasn't a bug at all since they made the active decision to leave it in, not even alluding to time constraints
and was only removed from brawl to differentiate it from melee, as he specified was the reasoning

>>11816778 (OP)
if I want to get serious about melee i'd have to interact with melee players
hard fuckin pass

>>11819975
Leaving a bug doesn't make it not a bug. You blatantly coping.

>>11819573

I don't know why you "people" are still arguing with a guy who doesn't know what a bug actually is. Like what do you even expect to happen when you crash into the ground in a game with momentum and character specific traction? You'd be better off talking about actual bugs like G&W being unable to l-cancel

>>11819989
making the choice to leave it in as part of the game makes it an intentional feature, which excludes it from being a bug

>>11820004
>I don't know why you "people" are still arguing with a guy who doesn't know what a bug actually is
Is the same schizo debating to himself.

Glitch: using unintended mechanics to achieve unintended results, e.g. child Link skipping to Ganon's Castle from the Deku Tree in OoT

Exploit: using intended game mechanics to achieve unintended results, e.g. bypassing certain walls by using the explosion from a bomb to propel Link over them

Regular gameplay: using intended mechanics to achieve intended results, e.g. destroying a bombable wall using a bomb

Emergent gameplay: using intended mechanics to achieve results that, while not explicitly intended, devs did not in any way attempt to prevent and likely understood as being possible, e.g. beating the Fire Temple before the Forest Temple

>>11817528
You shit your diaper when people select this.

>>11820101
the same could be said of the painful anal orgasm you experience when seeing somebody play with items enabled, thoughbeit.

>>11820071
2 and 4 sound like the same thing

>>11820112
The difference is that in the case of an exploit, the devs actively tried to prevent you from doing something using an obstacle, where in emergent gameplay they didn't try to prevent it at all, they just didn't bring attention to it. It's pretty clear they didn't want you getting to zora's river without the bombs for example, where there is literally nothing preventing you from beating the fire temple before forest.

>>11820071
>Exploit: using intended game mechanics to achieve unintended results
Missingno. is an exploit under this definition, since everything leading up to it is an intended mechanic/bit of code. Putting the player's name into the encounter table during the catching demonstration, said table not being updated when entering a city, those infamous tiles on the right side of Cinnabar island using the normal encounter table instead of the water encounter table are all intended.

>>11820006
Kek you are illiterate. Leaving a bug in doesn't make it not a bug. It just means it wasn't fixed until Brawl

>>11819997
He won't have a response to this since acknowledging that competitive smash is full of bug abuse hurts his feelings.

>>11820071
All of those are just bugs/exploits besides regular gameplay.

>>11820147
You could argue that "getting" missingno is an exploit, but missingno itself is an overt glitch.

>>11819924
Sheikh, Fox, Falco, Marth

>>11816797
qrd? Is this actually real or is it teenagers?

>>11816778 (OP)
I can't see Pokemon, Smash or even most parts of Wind Waker as gameplay. It's strange because Power Stone was a favourite but these flat nintendo 'fighting games' with two or three moves are fucking boring. It's surprising that they never introduced 3D space to the Smash titles over the past quarter century, but then maybe Nintendo is waiting for its renaissance period.

>>11817849
HOLY SHIT

>>11817885
unironically yes. When the "bugs" are completely understood and can be performed consistently they can make games better. In most cases in Melee they do. My favorite game franchise, Tribes, was basically borne from a bug which resulting in its "skiing" feature. And Tribes: Ascend had rock-bouncing, which was a fun bug that made the game better. Some bugs unlock the next level of skill and increase the skill ceiling and that's a good thing.

>>11817952
>right after I mention Tribes: Ascend I see a rare Tribes: Ascend meme poster
based

>>11820147
>those infamous tiles on the right side of Cinnabar island using the normal encounter table
Cinnabar's shore tiles using its empty wild table isn't intentional, that's why they're "infamous".
The new encounter table pulling data from the player's name in memory is the glitch.

>>11820160
>Leaving a bug in doesn't make it not a bug.
its something that was observed, noted, and intentionally left in. by the very definition of "bug", it isn't one.
>It just means it wasn't fixed until Brawl
sakurai himself, in that quote, says it was removed to "make something differrnt from melee".

learn to read kthx

>>11816778 (OP)
i like meta knight, so i play the one with meta knight

>>11816778 (OP)
People who don't enjoy melee is because they are too dumb to play let alone comprehend it. I feel sorry for these people. Melee is a 1/1000000 lightning in a bottle game like brood war

>>11820215
Smash is the only series where people cry so hard about things that make the game more fun and interesting.

>>11820242
It was a bug that was noticed and left in. Quit being retarded.

>>11820272
True. It's annoying that whiners got items and fun stages removed.

>>11820284
No, I'm referring to this, the thing you've been complaining about for 20 years without knowing how it works.

>>11820006
no it just makes them lazy

>>11820280
>a bug that was noticed and left in
so then it's not a bug

>>11820302
I think arguing the semantics is silly because we all know what we're talking about but I'd still call it a bug if it was something the developer didn't originally intend to happen. The developers noticing the bug doesn't change that for me. If the developers noticing it was enough to make it not a bug anymore then that would mean that even if the devs noticed the bug 10 years later and didn't patch it then it would no longer quality as a bug anymore. Unless you want to limit the definition to only being prior to original release date, but I think that's silly due to ongoing development and patching being the new norm.

>>11820175
Missingno proper is a dummy Pokemon taking up the remaining slots on the Pokedex (the game was originally going to have 190 Pokemon). Some of those Missingno even have unique predefined cries. That makes it different from all the other abominable glitchmon that read random shit like the sound engine as Pokemon data. While actually finding it could be called a glitch, it remaining in the data was an intentional choice.
>>11820229
>Cinnabar's shore tiles using its empty wild table isn't intentional, that's why they're "infamous".
You sure? In the JP versions, those tiles simply don't generate encounters, and so you can't see Missingno in that way. Which means they intentionally changed something in localization.

>>11820309
>I think arguing the semantics is silly
that's fine
i think words should be allowed to mean things

>>11820309
It's straight up not a bug by any definition. It's literally the game acting exactly how you would expect it to and it even has an action state identifier for it. The only "odd" thing about wavedashing is all of its applications which are rightfully easy to miss unless you're really diving into the game and playing on a deeper level

>>11820313
>they intentionally changed something in localization.
Yes. The localized games got brand new tiles.

>>11816778 (OP)
melee is my favorite smash game but quite frankly, i'll be damned if i have to suffer playing with a fanbase so obnoxiously up its own ass.

>>11820315
>i think words should be allowed to mean things
I think so too, which is why I continued beyond the part you quoted and engaged you on the topic despite me having said that.

>>11820316
I'll be honest. I didn't realize we were talking about a specific game. I agree that wavedashing is not a bug and it's the intended behavior. But with an example like skiing in Starsiege: Tribes, it started out as a bug that the developers left in because it was cool, which then made it a feature. But for the space between it being coded and it being discovered and decided on, it was a proper bug. So I guess I'd change my original definition and say that it's only a bug for the time it sits undiscovered, but I'd also say that if it is discovered but the devs don't know how to fix it or just don't want to, then it remains a bug rather than an intended feature.

>>11817664
>first year coding student thinks nothing unintended can happen unless written in an intentional if/else statement.

>>11820170
>walking into fire temple completely uninhibited is a "glitch/exploit"
this is why nobody takes linearfags seriously

>>11816778 (OP)
>Why don't you Melee?
Because it is no longer 2003? Also because I am an old man now and don't need even worse carpal tunnel.

>appreciating melee for the casual scene
20 IQ
>appreciating melee for the competitive scene
110 IQ
>appreciating melee for competitive gameplay with items enabled
IQ over 9000

>>11820637
items enabled and no stage banning is peak skilled melee

>>11820640
I'll never understand why there can't be leagues for ban tryhards and all stage/item bros in tandem. People would watch that shit. At this point it would be like a fucking expansion pack.

>>11820653
it's been tried many times and always ends the same way. It turns out that there really isn't a real market for it. Nintendo, local communities, national communities, etc. The people who get super into the game at a competitive level largely don't want to deal with items or funky stages. They're side games at best

>>11820664
The most balanced and well designed game

>>11820316
>it even has an action state identif-ACK

>>11817126
>>11817240
How is it sexual harassment? At most it's being creepy.

>>11820202
I think you’re bullshitting OR you’ve been living under a rock since 2020
Smelee fags are the most obnoxious fandom anyone can ever meet, they somehow managed to put fucking Pokefags to shame.
The straw that literally broke the camel back for their “reputation” was when multiple allegations against big Smelee players surfaced in 2020, the coverage and damage control was everywhere that’s why I questioned if you were in a comma or something
Since then they only got worse and worse and they got shunned by Nintendo and motherfucking Sakurai himself, hopefully one day Nintendo just DMCA their asses forever and put an end to all this

>>11821221
Does anyone who plays melee for fun go to these things? Like, the whole reason it was popular on release and basically forced me to buy a cube was because of the local multiplayer w friends. Like, to me, this is the equivalent of finding a competitive goldeneye 64 scene that is smelly and filled with trannies controversy ect, but it totally has no effect on how I feel or play it because I’d never associate w this shit. It’s a game for friends not wackos on the internet obsessing over abusing mechanics to dominate all.

>>11821236
I like both casual with items on and competitive tryharding. The items and wacky stages are actually fun, unlike in Ultimate.

>>11820316
It is a bug by any definition. You're retarded and never provided a definition that would make wavedashing not a but outside of your imagination. You are full of shit and keep repeating yourself even thougj you're blatantly wrong. No idea why this other faggot is replying like he's me. Wavedashing is a bug whether you like it or not. Competitive melee revolves around bug abuse.

>>11820916
>The most balanced
Probably not but no fughting game really is
>and well designed game
Yep

>>11820291
Weird. Wavedashing just made the game gay and less fun so your previous statement is nonsense.

You guys absolutely DID unlock this trophy legit on Brawl. Right?

>>11819997
Where in the manual did it tell you how to unlock that trophy? My copy doesn't have it. You must have exploited a bug to display that information because I don't see anywhere in the manual where the developers intended for you to be able to see that!

>>11821464
Dumb logic. Bugs are only things put in unintentionally like wavedashing.

>>11821471
prove the trophy was intentional

>>11821401
You are full of shit and keep repeating yourself even though you're blatantly wrong.

>>11821471
>>11821484

>>11821514
Pretending to be retarded just makes you look stupid and wrong.

>>11821221
>not a single example provided

>>11821563
>he can't prove intentions exist
>>doesn't realize this short-circuits his entire argument

>>11821567
Pretending to be retarded isn't an argument

>>11821570
>it's not the same because it's intentional
>n-no i can't prove it stop asking!
You are full of shit and keep repeating yourself even though you're blatantly wrong.

>>11821581
>If I keep pretending to be retarded I win!!
No. Anyone else can read this comment chain and see how retarded you are being.

>>11821601
hey i just read the reply chain
why are you so adamantly claiming that something known about during development and intentionally kept in is "unintentional"?

>>11821630
I said anyone else. You are going to keep pretending to be retarded.

>>11821410
You did not beat the game the trophy is bugged fuck off and die cheater

>>11821635
you must not have much faith in your stance if you can't defend, or even explain it when questioned
a telltale sign of poorly thought out bait

>>11821638
You are the one trolling that never presented any argument. I've used direct qutoes earlier in the thread to prove that wavedashing was a bug and you just had a melty after sperging about unrelated nonsense. The fact they noticed wavedashing instead of intentionally adding it means it was a bug.

I played Melee every day in high school with items, had little tournaments with friends, etc. I think high level melee is awesome in theory, but for whatever reason I have no urge to learn it myself or even pick up the game again.

Maybe I just enjoyed playing locally with my friends and brothers as a way of spending time with them. The experience with that removed feels empty.
>make new friends and go to locals
Maybe. The problem is the type of people who go to those locals mostly aren't the types of people I played with as a teenager. They don't approach the game in the same way we used to either. Nothing against them, I respect taking the game seriously and all, just not sure I'm interested in doing it. Practicing all the little things you'd need to learn to play at a high level just doesn't seem appealing to me.

Might change my mind and play it again some day.

>>11818167
May he rest in peace, they didn't deserve him.

>>11821646
>no u
yawn, try harder

>>11821668
>The problem is the type of people who go to those locals mostly aren't the types of people I played with as a teenager. They don't approach the game in the same way we used to either.
I guess the difference is the game itself becomes the focus rather than hanging out with friends with the game as a fun excuse. So less clowning around and bullshitting about things unrelated to the game, and more likelihood of somebody giving you shit for doing retarded things in-game.

When you're playing casual local multiplayer with friends/family, you're not necessarily focused on mastering that particular game. The games are fun, but they're also just an excuse to hang out. My friends and I would swap out Smash for Halo/LAN parties/Bomberman or whatever else we felt like on any given day. It wasn't a big deal if someone in the group didn't take the games seriously at all. But when you're going to a competitive community, there's some expectation you're focused on learning the game and taking it seriously.

>>11817264
>Playing unranked
So not actually playing the game for real.

>>11821845
Even 8 year olds messing around in the game without knowing what they're doing are still playing the game for real.

>>11817462
>Pretty sure I'm the only actual fighting game player on /vr/ (as in someone who goes to locals/people's houses/nationals to compete
You're not.
Get over yourself.

>>11816778 (OP)
>balanced

tell that to fucking bowser

>>11821850
Those 8 year olds are playing the game more seriously than the person who makes the choice to play unranked on Slippi. The 8 year olds are honestly trying to figure out who's the best player in their group, not dividing themselves into serious and unserious players.

>>11821862
>The 8 year olds are honestly trying to figure out who's the best player in their group
They're roleplaying in Hyrule Temple.

>>11816778 (OP)
Melee is probably the single game I have played the most in my life.
Unfortunately you need friends for that to work.

>Online
Just not the same experience.

I have been having the time of my life with ROE2 nowadays though.

>>11821668
It would be a waste of time anon. They don’t play the same game you enjoyed with your friends, and they are nothing like your friends in any way. The only thing you share is ownership of a disk.

>>11821890
Yeah. It might be worth it though for sheer appreciation of the game itself. The game is fun to play even one on one without items, and improving at it feels good. I could see myself getting into it more deeply some day, but I'm more interested in putting that energy into traditional fighting games and time is limited.

>>11816803
>3 viable characters
I don't play Melee and even I know this is a meme.

>>11816778 (OP)
I don't see a reason not consider Melee a fighting game, but when I think of fighting games, Melee never once comes to mind. I just think of Melee as a fun game I play with friends and family from time to time like any other Smash game. I don't think I could get super autistic about it. If I did though, I'd probably play Sheik. Sheik is cool.

>>11821565
it's typical with these types who think that being attracted to teenagers is abnormal

>>11821859
>Bowser
Bowser is a good character, especially with his B-Up out of shield

>>11821923
>Sheik
That's a man (who can transform into a woman by pressing B-Down)

I had melee for the gamecube, being 14 I enjoyed the game, now being well over twice that age I see it for the cringey stinkpile that it really is.

>>11822251
>14 and able to enjoy something
>older and now not able to enjoy that thing despite that thing having not changed
I'm sorry that you changed for the worse.

>>11821887
>ROE2
?

>>11821907
>idk what I'm talking about but I have an opinion
ok

>>11823863
Zero opinions in that post

>>11823873
>I will defend the guy who has no idea what he is talking about because he agrees with me
ok

>>11823876
You don't need to play Melee to understand that the "3 viable characters" thing is a meme

>>11817334
>>11817518
is this a real "DK all the way" DK? Or just a "It's X character, I'll counterpick with DK in grands" DK?

Here's a 300+ reply average Melee Boxart.PNG thread (in /vr/) that consist of the mentioned following up to this post:
>Ultimate (9+ results)
>Brawl (10+ results)
>Mang0 (4+ results)
>Hax (2+ results)
>smell (7+ results)
>cheat (6+ results)
>[REDACTED] (4+ results)
and these aren't even /v/ rookie numbers
The off-topic posting is all over the place and jannies just sat their asses down, because they don't really care about the rules they establish and flux-up on /vr/; but also the important fact that Smash threads/topics are HISTORICALLY low-moderated.
(For example: https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/701373290/#q701390294)

Say it with me folks:
/v/
jr.

>>11822212
>That's a man
No it isn't tranny.

>>11819958
>sakurai makes it clear that [twisted statement]
You wanna hear an "unfair bug"? Random Tripping.
Funny it got left out since after it's debut while Wavedashing and L-Cancelling gets reimplemented in the newest game.

>>11817603
Still funny how Sakurai conceded over the retarded decision and brought Smooth Landing/L-Cancelling back as equipment (then as a normal mechanic the next game)

>>11818461
>There's nothing fun about this dogshit game.
Still the only game you can do Pokeball Battles.

>been playing fox/peach for like a decade and Im still absolutely fucking garbage who cant even waveland or waveshine outside of practice mode

yeah i hate this game

>>11822212
>but his up-B

up-b, forward air and ledge attack below 100% are his ONLY decent moves. that is not a good fucking character.

>>11819527
>Dragon Ball image
Your latinx ilk out stenches even the average tourney goer, just like their deadbeat hero they look up to.

>>11819856
>wojak image
Yeah im speaking to a literal 14 year old

>>11820212
Power Stone plays nothing like Smash.
>b-but 2
Try hard arena fighter game that fails to live up what made the first one decent.

>>11821859
Only bad to impatient retards who think Bowser needs to spam fireball and run like some furry smash/like character.

>>11824795
>spam fireball

hey retard try actually playing the game before you talk out of your ass. melee bowser is laughably unusable.

>>11824778
>been playing Melee maybe 17 years
>playing Link since day 1
>never learned to wavedash
>roll around and wreck shitters on Slippi
Eternal Gold rank may be mediocre, but it's still fun (sometimes). Prior to Slippi I was mostly just playing All Star mode on max difficulty, and as expected got wrecked the one time I visited a local, but it was still cool to learn how much room there was above me. Sadly I was too much of a sperg to visit again.

The summer after I had a chance game against a guy who'd been practicing with them as Captain Falcon for a year, and kicked his ass in front of his girlfriend. He blamed the LCD lag, but next time I saw him was with all of his Melee friends (from the same local) and a CRT. We re-matched and I won again. That felt good. Still, I was leagues behind where I am now, and even now I'm firmly mid.

>>11816778 (OP)
Melee is boring and gay. Maybe fun for 5 mins but the novelty wore off quickly. Back in the day the main ones obsessed with it was those fat smelly kids trying to grow their curly hair long because they heard bullet for my valentine or some other gay shit thinking they were cool

>>11825080
Where the hell did you grow up? Everybody at all into games loved Melee back when I was in high school. Even if they didn't own a Gamecube they enjoyed playing it at parties.

>>11817636
Jesus you really got rekt by that other guy. So embarrassing and still no proof in the manual

>>11825089
England, guess it was less cringe over here with the obsession. If on the rare occasion those kids came to a party on the they would be in another room getting melee all over themselves whilst everyone else would be hanging out, having a drink and having a laugh. Bomberman, Mario kart and puyo puyo were the main party games

>>11825113
bro you gave up already >>11818213

>>11825124
That makes sense, maybe it was different there.
>puyo puyo
That's surprising. Like I knew a couple people played Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine but nobody knew what Puyo Puyo was. Bomberman and Mario Kart we played a ton of though.

>>11823964
Actual solo DK players. There's one who's ranked 19th in the world.

>>11825126
>Everyone is samefag
Nah that other anon just sees you got destroyed.

>>11824727
you don't know the Zelda Lore. she changes her gender as easily as you change your hat. becoming a boy was the only way to hide from Ganon

>>11825149
Yeah I'm only speaking for one small part of the country but there didn't seem to be many kids obsessed with it back in the day. I discovered puyo puyo 2 remix and the mean bean fans were then converted. Plus puzzle games appealed to girls as well so everyone had a go and joined in, regardless of their power level. It's a lot harder to play on mushrooms but still a great laugh. We used to play it way after the sun came up the next day

>>11825194
This guy gets it and also saw that anon get completely destroyed

>>11825215
You should answer the question now that you've had a while to think it over >>11821630

>>11825220
Hang on I'm getting confused now, which one are you? Pro bugs or in denial of bugs? I would read the rest of the thread but I can't be arsed

>>11825220
I don't have to answer anything you lost and I won so its a bug now stop replying to me lol

>>11825231
Concession accepted. Again.

>>11825231
That's not even the guy you argued with. That's me. He's just another guy who saw you get btfo

>>11825207
That's pretty sweet, wish I had people to play puzzle games with locally back then. Used to play Puzzle Fighter with my brother sometimes but that's it.

>>11825238
That's not even the guy you argued with (me) He's just another guy who saw you get btfo

>>11825287
bro you gave up twice already

>>11825296
Weird how half a dozen other anons said you lost and are retarded.

>>11825285
I'm sorry to hear that, at least your brother played Puzzle Fighter with you even a little bit. I have 2 sisters and we used to play Columns and Mean Bean together when we were kids but they stopped playing games around the ps2 era. Those teenage years were the tits, going out skateboarding until midnight / 1am and then hanging at a friend's place playing puyo puyo and devil crash all night. If we grew up nearer each other I'm sure you would have been joining us for those sessions

>>11825296
No the above anon is sort of right but I'm lost at who is who now. I'm late to the party but I did enjoy one anon embarrassing himself. There is a thin line now for the other one to do the same

>>11821221
>>11821565
One example that pissed me off was retards have made Hax$ killed himself and taunted about his mental illness until his death, now they're trying to hide shit about it. You can get more example if you look up Jewtube "Smash cringe compilation" or something, anon

>>11825319
You really need to calm down and either answer the question >>11821630, or stand by your (second) concession >>11825231.

>>11825401
This is the post I'm wondering about >>11820202

>>11816778 (OP)
HAS ANYBODY ITT CONCEEDED YET!??!

Try hard wannabe tourneyfags
>JUST DONT PLAY WITH THOSE KIND OF PEPPLE THEN!
Everyone else who plays this is a try hard, that's the problem

>>11816778 (OP)
because i don't know anyone who wants to play melee anymore
>join our discord and hang out with the smelee community bro
no, lmao

>>11827225
If you're willing to emulate, there's actually good, free, stable online multiplayer now through Slippi. No social element whatsoever besides some quick-messages for shit like "lol" or "ggs" while you're connected to someone, which you can disable. Some people use a larger Discord to do re-matches and shit like that, but you'd have to go out of your way to interact with it. If you share your Slippi code with someone, you can direct-connect, which is how I've played with friends sometimes, but mostly I just play random people.

There are ranked and unranked modes, but even the unranked mode has slight match-making, so you shouldn't be paired up with anyone insanely above your own level. I started out with no pretty much zero competitive experience online and came a long ways (i.e., had fun matches with people my level), so you don't have to be or try to be "good" to get mileage out of it. Expect some bad sports, but I've had a lot of long, fun sessions with strangers, whether I'm winning or losing. That said, you'll be limited to no-items, tourney-legal stages, 1v1, which may not be your thing.

>>11827189
you're such a weak fag

>>11824817
Try reading my post again, i was talking about retarded ideas guys wanting to give Bowser reworks because they suck with him or just rushdownbrains.

>>11825196
>you don't know the Zelda Lore.
Your headcanon is not Zelda lore.
Get lost tranny.

>>11827785
If you were Ganon, you'd send your armies to inspect every woman in Hyrule in your hunt for Zelda. the only way to hide successfully is to stop being a woman. this isn't some sick 21st Century fetish crap, her transformation was purely a tactical necessity

>>11827189
how dare people try to win the video game

Meleesetheers are so frustrating, complaining about people who enjoy the game "abusing" glitches. L-cancel was a mechanic but it is reasonable to assume the devs didn't know or weren't aware of the gameplay consequences of wavedashing, air interrupts et. al.and guess what, it doesn't matter. It's called emergent gameplay. And I'd wager is probably one of the best cases of emergent gameplay ever in gaming because it doesn't break the game as much as you think it does. Every character can wavedash and l cancel, some use air interrupts like Samus. Hell, Luigi, the character with the best wavedash isn't even top tier, and would be shit if wavedash didn't exist.
Of all the other cases of emergent gameplay that I know of, some even more divisive than Melee, like CvS2 roll canceling, SoulCalibur's 2 step guard and 2G, Tekken's korean backdash and Street Fighter 2 combos (yes, they were unintended) the only ones I would consider on par with Melee on how they both change the game and open up possibilities that enrich gameplay are Tekken's movement and Street Fighter 2 combos. Combos are a staple of the genre and they were discovered by players, same here.
Death of the author niggas, who cares if Sakurai removed these gameplay options from subsequent games; we're playing melee, not smash ultimate nor brawl.

>>11816778 (OP)
Because I simply don't like the SSB games.

>>11829208
>L-cancel was a mechanic
a bad one thoughever

>>11816778 (OP)
Shield canceling.
The controls in the new games are so much more comfortable without the need to constantly mash the shoulder buttons.

>>11829273
>nooooo every single mechanic in my party game needs a specific strategic reason!!!!
>"pressing buttons fun"???? NOOOOO THIS IS BARRIER TO ENTRY HOW WILL MY GAMING CAREER TAKE OFF NOW

>>11830575
it's bad because there's literally no reason to ever not do it. it goes from being the fun kind of button pressing that does cool shit to a joyless chore that does nothing cool yet is suboptimal to neglect.
if that's fun for you, save yourself some money on the electric bill and just press buttons on a controller that isn't plugged in while you stare at the wall instead of playing video games.

>>11830575
>"pressing buttons fun"????
Is L-canceling actually fun though? That is the question. I think even people who like it should be able to understand why it's an annoyance to others.

l canceling is easy. if youre gonna bitch about melee controls, theres MUCH worse shit to whine about like frame perfect dash backs, shield drops, lack of buffer, 3 frame short hop windows. so much annoying shit.

>>11830682
>3 frame short hop window
that's the funniest one to me. People will complain night and day about cutting a few frames off their landing lag but won't bat an eye at having to press and release a button within 0.05 seconds just to jump the right way. If your only issue with melee is "muh wavedashes" or "muh L cancels" then your opinion isn't yours, it's some youtubers.

>>11830682
>>11830706
Easy or not, is it fun? There being other annoying shit isn't a great defense of it

>>11830724
yeah I actually do think its fun. when first learning the game, incorporating a new technique where a simple button press allows me to act quicker out of my aerial and follow up with my combos way more effectively was incredibly satisfying and fun to pull off. sure these days I dont even really notice doing it unless I miss one, but I think the game is better for having it. heres one I think is bull shit though- having to jump cancel out of dash in order to do a running smash attack. I still fucking miss the timing sometimes after years. much prefer the later games where I can just dash and smash.

This whole discussion made me find this out:
>Borp is a Melee Sheik main from Pennsylvania. He is known for not using advanced techniques in competitive play such as wavedashing and L-canceling, and even simpler techniques such as short hopping. Despite possessing an unorthodox style of play, Borp has seen moderate tournament success with wins on players such as Free Palestine, The Lake, Vudujin, and Green Ranger. He is ranked 6th on the Spring 2018 Pittsburgh Melee Power Rankings.
>Borp is the brother of Super Mario 64 TASer Scott Buchanan, also known by his YouTube username pannenkoek2012. He is widely known for his Watch for Rolling Rocks in 0.5x A Presses video, which has become an Internet meme.
Weird and funny connection I wasn't expecting to see. They were both deeply into Nintendo games in their own way, probably grew up playing together.

>>11830741
borp is a meme and a shitter who isnt actually that good at the game. only kind of got away with it cause he plays sheik, the most no brain or tech skill required character in all of melee. ranking 6th in shittsburgh at his peak isnt exactly a huge flex.

>>11830745
Oh yeah I'm not trying to say people should play like Borp, that would be a mistake. I was just reminded of him by this discussion and gave that first quote for context on him.

The interesting part is that he's related to the Mario 64 half A-press meme video guy.

>>11816778 (OP)
I did for many years. I played the absolute shit out of it in just about every way you could think of with all the modes, items, and stages available. When I learned about the competitive scene and saw what they were doing circa 2004, I was blown the fuck away and immediately got to learning the shit they were doing, and so did my friends. I got good enough with Marth that I entered a tournament at a local high school I didn't go to, and got second place, losing 4-1 against a Falco (I won the first match cleanly against the local champion and favorite, after which everyone went fucking apeshit, and the pressure got to me and I lost every match after that through stupid mistakes). I kept playing at that level with my friends (though eventually I switched to Link as my main), until we all moved away and such. There's Slippi, but too many people there are tryhards so you just play against the space furfags all day everyday, and that's just not very fun for me.

>>11830724
I think it is. Keeps the hands warm. Buttons r fun

>>11830741
>>Borp is the brother of Super Mario 64 TASer Scott Buchanan, also known by his YouTube username pannenkoek2012.
well I'll be

>>11829208
Nintenyearolds are the only "people" who complain about this kind of thing. Combos in Street Fighter II were a bug, but because it's not a Nintendo game, nobody spends 20 years crying about how all the evil meanie tryhards keep abusing it.

>>11829273
It's one of the things that makes the newer games less shit to play though.
t. actually bothered with the spirits gacha

>>11829010
>this isn't some sick 21st Century fetish crap
>"noooo it doesn't make sense to my headcanon, it's supposed to be realistic!"
It's a fucking video game, you stupid tranny. Of course it's ridiculous.

Imagine taking typical Japanese writing for fucking granted.

>>11829208
Damn dude you are still going on about this? It's ok if you like a game that revolves around bug abuse like wavedashing. It's just vidya so nobody cares that you cheat.

>>11831020
air dodging into the ground is not a bug or a glitch and I cant imagine how fucking retarded youd have to be to think it is.

>>11831046
>3 days later
>responds in less than 10 minutes
kek mad and wrong. Competitive melee revolves around exploits/bugs

>>11830706
Maybe because most characters have more leniency than 3f?

>>11831104
>giga bowser has less jump squat frames than bowser

JUST

>>11830682
>>11830706
nobody is saying it's hard, it's just annoying and it doesn't really do anything cool.
there is also literally no time ever where it's not the optimal thing to do.
it's a chore. chores are generally pretty easy, but that doesn't make them fun.

>>11830741
>players such as Free Palestine
cringe

>>11830594
>>11830612
>suboptimal to neglect
At some level, yeah, you'll need to do it all the time to do it all the time to win, but that's a very high level. You don't have to play completely optimally to have fun with some mixture of wins and losses if you're at a more middling level (and I don't mean a level where people are neglecting tech altogether).
>Is L-canceling actually fun though?
Yes. It's a small thing that requires reflexes and the right mindset to pull off, as in if you lose your cool in a game or aren't focused (or practiced) enough you'll start missing it. And, again, you don't have to play optimally to win if you're not at a very high level, and at that stage it's exciting to know there's something small you can practice that will make you just a bit better or open up new possibilities for you. I really don't follow many of the formalities of the game, but I started watching videos of people playing my main (Link) and wondering how they were pulling certain things off, and realised it was because they were L-cancelling after certain moves that I wasn't; I could start the sorts of plays they were making, but I couldn't continue them. So not doing it doesn't just mean you're playing a little slower, it means your options are fundamentally different.

Yeah, I can see it being annoying for someone not interested in that level of engagement, but I don't see it as an objectively bad feature.

>>11830745
>borp is a meme and a shitter who isnt actually that good at the game
You're right, but that's when you're concerned with a very high level of competitive play. Even just as (former) sixth in his city he's going to be a lot better than most players, even those trying hard. And if he had sustained success with his method, that means it wasn't just that it was weird and throwing people off, but rather that it had genuine advantages (compared to, say, throwing out a mid-/low-tier character against someone who doesn't know the match-up).

>doing a shitty QTE every time you do something as simple as land on the ground is... le good!
no wonder melee players are so goddamn weird

>>11831857
>doing a QTE every time you do something as simple as exhausting your magazine is... le good!
no wonder halo players are so goddamn weird

>>11831870
manual reloads on an empty clip are retarded too, because just like L-canceling, there is never a situation where it's not optimal to do it.
any game that doesn't automatically reload when you hit empty fumbled that part of the design.
now, reloading when you still have bullets in the clip? might be optimal, might not. Just like sometimes you want to short hop, others you don't.

>>11816778 (OP)
It's not fun. If I want a good satisfying fighting game, I have a plethora of other games to choose from that are actually really fun. If I want a fun party game, melee players are not the people to have it with. I want items on stage hazards on, 4 or so players battling out to enjoy the fun party game.

>>11831085
>exploits/bugs
Nobody talking about Random Tripping though.

>>11831665
Israel lost btw

>>11832059
>Convinced cUckSA to bomb Iran
>Just killed a Hamas co-founder
I dont think you understand what losing is

>>11832407
Both cities will be down under ashes after the war is done, as long israel is gone, the world is happy and Zionist-free and we can get this muzzo out of our countries.

>>11832467
I mean, I would love to see it, but I dont see Israel losing anytime soon

>>11832467
bombing a rats den doesnt rid the world of rats. they will just spread, multiply and corrode the earth like theyve always done.

>>11832738
People like you are the rats.

>>11830990
>tranny!
>Imagine not being Japanese!!!!!
First of all I'm not transgender I am a superstraight. Second of all I can't even speak a word of Japanese. But to the point, Princess Zelda is not fucking retarded, logically the best escape plan to hide from the King of Thieves for 7 years is to re-invent yourself I.E. transform into Prince Sheik for a bit

>>11832991
>Princess Zelda is not fucking retarded
she gets captured 2 minutes after removing her disguise
furthermore none of that shit would have happened if she didnt send link to get the stones and open the door of time
she absolutely is retarded

>>11829208
Spoken well

>>11830741
>players such as Free Palestine
I'm dying. Because this is the most hilarious name I've ever heard used as a "Pro Gamer" handle in my whole life. I haven't laughed this hard in years

>>11833007
She was only 10 years old Mr.Bond. Ganon outwitted an inexperienced 10 year old in the Game of Thrones a long time ago but we learn more from our failures than our victories. By the time she reached age 17 she was much craftier, wiser

>>11833040
>By the time she reached age 17 she was much craftier, wiser
and got captured immediately the moment she dropped her guard
wow so crafty much wisdom

>>11831665
>>11833036
Yeah it's hilarious. I could've quoted less but had to include that bit of cringe in the greentext.

>>11832497
If Emperor Nero did it, so can anyone.

>>11832738
As long the next generation of bolshevism doesn't mutate and latch again, this isn't anything to worry about.
Anyways off-topic, let's continue our Smash tard talk.

>>11832991
>First of all I'm not transgender I am a superstraight.
You're already giving a ironic description of yourself (on top of citing a literal who gender flag meme made to make fun of straight folk), so you're highly suspect of being a troonster.
>Second of all I can't even speak a word of Japanese.
Hence you clinging on your ESL headcanon like a pathetic tranny you are.
>Princess Zelda is not fucking retarded
Being smart doesn't exempt you from doing something ridiculous. That's typical anime bullshit for ya.

>>11833045
Amazing people are still giving too much cred for the franchise's biggest jobber, right next to the old fart/kunoichi slut Impa.

>>11833091
>ESL headcanon
wtf?

>like a pathetic tranny
does not compute

>>11834010
>wtf
18+ site, algospeaking zoomer.

>>>11817153
So... Smash bros 64?

>>11816818
>>11817737
>>11817742
Its considered a "platform fighter" ever since Brawlhalla came out but this is a pedantic gay level of discourse that no one gives a single fuck about.

>play melee autistically
>literally never think about casual players, and am glad if the game suits a broad spectrum of tastes
>simultaneously, melee detractors have been having a 25 year meltie about us "playing the game wrong" at private gatherings, amongst ourselves
>somehow we are the problem
Nintendo fans are wild man. I assume you own a Mario hat if this game upsets you in 2025. No one has to like it but Christ

>>11817742
I kind of like this, actually. Smash unironically plays like a platformer much of the time, and there are even several adventure mode stages and challenges where you're mostly or entirely jumping around, picking up items and fighting trash mobs. It's weird to me that smash fans want so desperately for the game to be considered a fighter, because this feels like an insult to the game. Smash is unironically a better game than any fighter ever made and 99% of fighting games are sportsball tier lowest common denominator trash produced exclusively for mulatto children.

>>11834960
Not him but very much agree. I just like melee.
I dont even consider myself a nintendo "fan".
I havent bought a single nintendo game or console since the wii, circa 2010.
I think if you hate a fighting game so much, then you probably got smoked in a 1v1 by a much better player and thats the real reason for your anger.

These posts make me wish we could have actual discussion about melee not just arguing about who has the right or wrong opinions about a fun 25 year old game.

>NOOOO ITS NOT A FIGHTING GAME BECAUSE YOU CAN DOUBLE JUMP AND THERES NO HEALTH BAR AND THE STAGE ISNT A SINGLE FLAT LINE

not how genres work

>>11834990
ill discuss with you anon. who do you main? for me, its peach (tryhard mode), then fox (when people start raging that I only win because muh peach is for noobs), then falco (when I want to have fun with retarded combos and care less about winning) and then bowser (to style on shitters)

>>11830594
>>11830612
>Is L-canceling actually fun though
Its satisfying to learn skills that show tangible benefit. Thats the entire reason why fighting games like Tekken make you perform complex inputs and why SF players crashed out when they made inputs "too easy" in the modern titles.
>There is no reason to ever not do it
L-cancelling doesnt matter for many moves that result in an Auto-Cancel which is better than L cancelling.
If you fully depress the L button, you use up a tech input. If you don't always L cancel, you can tech hit-trades.
There are several ways to leverage teching using the trigger buttons that are simple, non-intrusive, and add a level of strategy your opponent has to account for.
In essence you are potentially sacrificing a mix-up or reversal when you always L-cancel.

>>11834996
I play mainly Fox but play Samus when my hands need a break.
I'm a huge peach hater lmao. Thats what I get for playing for I guess.
No one likes to play against my Samus though. I camp and reverse everything. Mid tiers have stupid reversals. Yoshi for example.

>>11816778 (OP)
Im surprised it is still going strong. I remember when magazines and message boards were saying that cruel melee was impossible. That must have been like 20 years ago.

>>11835012
yeah I understand the peach hate. downsmash is absolutely busted and I get the full 60% on spacies way more often than I should. not to mention its ALSO a great kill move with good speed and range, and turnip spam is annoying and effective, and easy edgegaurds on spacies on top of that. spacies can really get the upperhand on her though as lasers will wreck peach in neutral (if they are good enough to match the float height consistently) and fox upsmash and uair will kill her really early so i would say its pretty balanced overall, but if they arent trained in the match up spacies will get wrecked (really fun for me as slippi is packed to the brim with these kinds of players)

a good samus will make me absolutely rage like nothing else though. all those fucking projectiles and being impossible to edgeguard is really annoying. thats a match up where I will just switch to fox since I can just rush down to avoid neutral as much as possible and get somewhat reliable vertical kills.

>>11816778 (OP)
because melee is boring single player

>>11835038
Drive-by trolling

>>11816778 (OP)
>it has a strong community
this is my main complaint as a new melee player is that every tranny in this game acts like some sort of commie politician and bans literally every normal functional person who plays the game

>>11816778 (OP)
I already have a competitive game I dedicate myself to and play at a high level. I appreciate Melee though.

>>11835076
Pretty much this minus the high level part (working on that still). Melee is cool and fun casually but I don't feel like getting deeply into it anytime soon.

>>11835030
For Peach the worst thing isnt even the down smash it's the playstyle.
I know camping is frustrating but thats why I'm pocketing Samus. As I said, I camp but that's because I'm trying to figure out flaws in my Fox game. Instead of labbing out useless tech I'm not going to use (already been there and done that) I play completely different on Samus than Fox.
Even still, I sometimes meet opposing campers and they win against me. Whatever.
>being impossible to edgeguard is really annoying
Against Peach there are a ton of things that beat me on ledge. Turnip drop into aerial, raw fair facing ledge, toad, fsmash.
Against Fox there are three main things that beat me out: spaced back air, aerial with ledge refresh, shine, up smash
Forcing Samus airborne means resetting to neutral. Samus's best bet after getting sent up is aiming for ledge or grounding on a platform. If you go for anything else you probably will get sharked by every character. Samus is surprisingly honest when the opponent is aware of her openings. Players that know how to avoid my CC and missiles usually win because my combo game can't start unless one of those things happen.

>>11835103
>three main things
I got a little carried away lol

I dropped Melee for Rivals of Aether 2 but it's cool to see Melee is still getting modded characters

>>11816778 (OP)
Great game, I do play it and learning new tech to try in matches is incredibly fun, similar to learning secret tricks in single player games to destroy them.

To all the haters who want to learn arcane secrets like wavecheating and fun cancelling: stop being a friendless loser and just play with somebody who also can't perform these techs and go nuts with items or something! I genuinely believe even on a super casual level this game is more fun than modern smash titles because dash dancing is just that more responsive. Also fat Pikachu is neat.

>>11817742
Already its own, unrelated genre.

This pedo thread is still going???

>>11835536
pedos are valid bigot.
its current year.

>>11817247
I'm just going to post a good translation so that you clowns don't kill each other over machine TL rubbish.

>Name: Rocketman
>Favorite Character: Luigi
>Favorite Drink: Coke

>Ah, so Smash Bros. Dojo is finally coming to an end. Thank you for always updating despite your busy schedule.
>Anyway, I made another silly discovery. If you land on the ground as Luigi and press R (or L) the moment you touch down, then flick the control stick sideways, you’ll slide to the side while still guarding.
>When I do this, I just think, “Yep, that’s Luigi,” and I get a little emotional. I’ve now completely mastered it.
>Lastly, Mr. Sakurai, I’m just a middle school student, but I own every Nintendo console from the Famicom to the GameCube (except Game & Watch). I really like Nintendo. Please take a good rest, and keep making the most enjoyable games in the future.

Sakurai's response:
>This is a technique that uses an aerial dodge.
>You don’t need to flick the stick—just inputting it is enough.

>The aerial dodge starts off fast, but then rapidly decelerates.
>If you land during that initial burst of speed (that is, at the very start of the dodge), that momentum carries over to your grounded character.

>Since Luigi has low friction, he’s especially affected by that momentum—so he ends up sliding a lot.

>You can even use this to do something like a backdash.
>Though whether that has practical value is another matter.

>>11817316
Wavedashing was put into Smash Bros. 64 as an advanced technique for skilled players to reduce their landing lag; Sakurai specifically mentions this on 64's Dojo. His attitude changed over the years but he did like adding tech at one point.

Regardless, Brawl also sucked ass in many ways and was not programmed by HAL Laboratory. It also nerfed ground movement from Melee by adding dumb shit like tripping.

>>11835912
speaking as a purely casual brawl player you have no idea how much I hated brawl tripping and all of brawl's OP as fuck items.
Also they added input delay in brawl and increased it in every game since. ultimate has 9 frame input buffering. Its sickening.

Melee has one the worst communties of any video game ever. Pic related. I was in the community for a long time and the "people" in it are the lowest morality people you will ever meet.

>>11835030
>peach is busted because she counters characters i play
lolok

>>11836874
smash got input buffering to compensate for Nintendo's awful online handling, but decided to apply it to offline game modes too "to keep things fair"

>>11835410
>I genuinely believe even on a super casual level this game is more fun than modern smash titles because dash dancing is just that more responsive.
A casual level doesn't dash dance

>>11835912
>Wavedashing was put into Smash Bros. 64 as an advanced technique for skilled players to reduce their landing lag; Sakurai specifically mentions this on 64's Dojo.
I think you had a brainfart, you mean L-canceling (which was Z-canceling back then, also known as "Smooth Landing").

>>11836874
>>11836930
This isn't just a smash issue, many fighting games do this also

>>11816778 (OP)
It’s played by Meleefags. Also both 64 and Brawl gigamog it.

>>11816778 (OP)
>It's the most technical, balanced and satisfying fighting game ever made.
Is it?

Then why are half the stages banned, and all of the items?

>>11837117
not OP and i'm a completely casual player but stages/items being banned doesn't have much to do with how technical the game is, more that complards who hate RNG want the items/stages banned because they, personally, think such things are anti-competitive. i've said for a long time that allowing certain settings would actually make the game more competitive and technical, but smellies don't see it that way.

>>11836941
>anything that isnt strictly walking or pressing the face buttons is an advanced ultra-competitive tryhard
NO ONE CARES THIS MUCH.

>>11836874
>ultimate has 9 frame input buffering
That's a good thing. Smash 64 and Melee could use an input buffer, they feel clunky compared to the later games.

>>11837642
>melee feels clunky

only if youre shit at the game. once youre used to melee the newer games feel like trash.

>>11837681
>only if youre shit at the game.
And that I am, but in Smash games with input buffer I can be simultaneously shit and not feel like I have to be overly precise, bordering on getting lucky with timing, to do stuff I want to.

>>11837697
You're a low functioning mental retard troll.

>>11837697
you are a demonic k word. it's time to repent, faggot.

i had a dream last night that melee 2 came out

>>11816804
you sound bitch-made, honesty

>>11837642
I don't understand this opinion. One of the main reasons I prefer Melee is that even ignoring the exploits the sheer aspect of moving around is still incredibly smooth and momentum is still king.

>>11838802
MIND GAMES SON

>>11835038
All the single player modes after Melee, except for Smash Run and Crazy Orders, all suck.
I liked Smash Run cuz just like Adventure Mode, i can come back to it anytime without getting bored or any dread behind me.

>>11835487
Before Atlyss, there was Transformice.
Good times.

>>11841494
subspace emissary was the only good single player smash mode thoughbeit.

>>11816778 (OP)
It's fun but holy shit that fanbase. New Akaneia Build release last month that's what I'm currently playing.

>>11841581
Say that without reminiscing about the cutscenes and remembering how dogshit the level design was for that mode.

>>11838594
I may be a bitch, but I'll never be Kevin Nash.

>>11842358
Ill never forget that sweltering hot summer of 92

Because I don't wanna diddle kids OP.

>>11842367
But you play a ton of nuGuilty Gear and nuStreet Fighter

>>11842367
Tekken has more troon rapists per capita than smash bros.

>>11841581
>>11842357
subspace emissary is great in co-op, but I can't imagine enjoying it in single player.

>>11842510
>>11842367
Actually I'm more of a Soul Edge nostalgiafag to be fully honest.

>>11819585
the secret is a surgical mask and a container of vaporub

>>11843693
Sakurai is straight up allergic to single player (online) co-op, and I'll never understand why.