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Zelda II

>>11827474 (OP)
>Choose
Are these 2 my only options?

>>11827474 (OP)
LttP and it's not even close. Better combat, better dungeons, better artstyle, doesn't constantly hold your hand, actually challenging instead of a pushover, aged like wine vs. OoT aging like milk.

>>11827474 (OP)
LttP it's still fun to play
OoT is not just dated but it's a game where only the first playthrough it's special

>>11827474 (OP)
OoT. 3D allows more complex gameplay and puzzles. The world is more interesting and unique. The story is better, and I like the aesthetics more. You can ride a horse through hyrule field as the sun rises.

Lttp if it had more variety in dungeon music...and fishing.

Stop spamming Zelda threads

LttP

>>11819995
>>11826968
mental illness

>>11827474 (OP)
Zelda has always been for soys. I respect their innovations, but RPGs and action adventures just were too childish back then.

I would say OoT is the more important game because it was the first game with real 3rd person action adventure gameplay. LttP was basically just Zelda 1 done better.

>>11827474 (OP)
OoT

>>11827693
LttP is fun but no other Zelda game captures the feeling of adventure like the first one.

>>11827474 (OP)
OoT easily. I got bored of LttP and stopped playing partway through.

LttP is funner even if I like LA more
OoT is like a proto-moviegame, except the story is borderline nonsense in its own logic

>>11827765
>OoT is like a proto-moviegame
Not even remotely. Metal Gear Solid, which released the same year, is much closer to that.

super metroid

>>11827790
MGS has arcade-esque gameplay that gives it replay value, and the cutscenes are skippable during said replays

>>11827797
but anon...i only replay MGS for the cutscenes

I don't know how you can see OoT as anything but a complete and utter improvement on every level.

>ALttP: ugly as fuck
>OoT: timeless art style

>ALttP: good music
>OoT: great music

>ALttP: suitable but limited controls
>OoT: vastly improved controls with more item mappings, 3D camera control, first person mode, etc.

>ALttP: simplistic and unsatisfying combat
>OoT: vastly deeper swordplay, can actually control your shield, more offensive options, smarter enemies, a limited degree of physics, etc.

>ALttP: dungeons might as well be palette swaps with how little they differ visually, where every dungeon in OoT is handcrafted

I cannot think of anything ALttP did better than OoT other than having more enemies to kill. That's it. OoT takes everything ALttP had going for it and perfectly converted it to a 3D world while improving visuals, audio, control and sheer amount of content. OoT absolutely fucking destroys ALttP and it's mindblowing that anyone could think otherwise.

>>11827797
>MGS has arcade-esque gameplay
Because it's just PAC-MAN
just like Sonic 3D Blast which was Mappy

>>11827813
Me like simpleness of 2d game

>>11827804
I just mean it's made more as a 'game' than OoT is. I don't mind either way if a story is barebones or deep or whatever, but OoT's has neither style or substance. MGS's story is arguably style over substance, but it at least has style, unlike OoT

>>11827830
>Because it's just PAC-MAN
Worst bait opinion.

>>11827837
understandlabe, but if that's the case then just play Z1 or the oracle games where there's at least some semblance of difficulty and strategy and they aren't hideous to look at, as opposed to ALttP which a cake walk from beginning to end and is the gaudiest piece of shit ever made

>>11827854
That's Nintendo games in general. You either grow up playing them and get trapped in the cult or you see them as the slop they are.

>>11827893
there's also the third option, wherein you aren't a retarded fag and you whatever you want because there are amazing games on every console. crazy, i know.

>>11827876
LttP and Zelda 1 were both similar difficulty to me. Most of Zelda 1 is probably easier honestly, but the wizzrobe dungeon is a massive difficulty spike and by far the hardest part of the game.

The main difficulty of Zelda 1 is just the fact that you respawn with only 3 hearts so you basically have to recover them every time if you want a fighting chance, which is just tedious moreso than difficult.

LttP is still far harder than any other Zelda aside from the NES duo.

>>11827876
>difficulty and strategy
No no, LTTP is the perfect old folks' home game. Give it to boomers so they can quietly wither away in the familiarity and memories of childhood.

>>11827876
ALTTP is harder than most NES games like Mega Man, Contra, Castlevania, Ninja Gaiden, etc. Not quite as hard as the heavy hitters like GnG, Battletoads, or Zelda II though.

No idea where this meme of it being easy came from.

>>11827908
>ALttP is harder than NES Mega Man, Contra and fucking Castlevania
you have either never played any of these games or you have a unique strain of autism. ALttP is absolute fucking baby mode dude, what are you smoking

>>11827901
>you whatever you want
Try that sentence again, but this time don't type like a retarded fag.

>>11827926
i'm 12 coors deep and have had sex with a woman, my sincere apologies for doing a heckin' typo dr. fagoid

I got both right when they came out and have replayed them 3-4x each. I'm inclined to say aLttP, but the more I think about it the less I'm sure. They both have great "feelsy" moments, alttp feels more fleshed out and alive, both have 3 training area dungeons that take hours to get through, but the 3D swordfighting in oot is better.
They're both 10/10, and I'm a jarpigger.

>>11827919
It definitely isn't. Enemies take huge chunks of your HP and dungeons are giant labyrinths absolutely loaded with enemies and hazards. And if you want a fighting chance against the boss, you need to reach them with high HP so you need to play extremely carefully.

If you have the optimal loadout at all times, weapon/armor upgrades, magic upgrades, find all the items, and spam bottles, then it's a lot more manageable, but that's not how most people played, that requires a ton of rupees to spam so many bottles, and even then it's still a pretty tough game. And if you were someone that missed a weapon upgrade or the bottles, then you were in for an *extremely* rough time.

It's not even so much how hard LttP is, it's more that people overrate the difficulty of games like Mega Man, Ninja Gaiden, or Castlevania where items trivialize the whole game and you just take the challenges as they come with unlimited continues rather than needing to prepare for encounters and soft-locking yourself into an extremely difficulty situation if you aren't prepared. Not to mention LttP is just a much longer game in general, so you can't just learn and memorize the game nearly as quick. Contra is mostly just unforgiving, but it's a very short game and the actual skill and execution required for anything is pretty low, you just need to memorize the few stages. The "challenge" comes from not being able to practice, but if you go through a few times with Konami code, you will lose less lives every time until you can easily beat it without the code.

>>11827934
>coors
What a fag.

>>11827937
I don't know man, most Zelda games including ALttP border on gfcore. I have no doubt that your average roastie could beat ALttP blind with enough casual playtime, but beating some shit like MML1, CV or fucking NG would be an impossible or improbable task for most. You say you don't know where the meme of ALttP being easy comes from, but ALttP being considered even remotely difficult is a new one for me. There's a big difference between "I have to memorize a very specific pattern and have lightning fast reflexes to beat this level", versus "I died a couple times, gonna go explore... oh look, a bottle I can put a fairy in... oh look, a heart piece". Mind you, ALttP is one of the few Zeldas you can't even 3 heart run. Shit I'd say OoT is harder blind if only for shit like Water Temple.
>It definitely isn't.
>It's not even so much how hard LttP is...
Come on dawg.

>>11827919
If ALttP is baby mode, then what the fuck is something like Mega Man X where you can tank like 10x as much damage, your weapons one-shot bosses while you facetank them, and levels are like two minutes long with checkpoints?

If ALTTP is a 6/10 in difficulty, Mega Man X is like a negative 2

>>11827942
i'll drink any cheap light american lager i can get my hands on, what the fuck are you drinking? i bet you pound 3 angry orchards or some faggy "craft brew" with hints of orange peel and toasted marshmallow. that or you drink a couple shots every few weeks and noticed you grew an extra ballsack hair so now light beer is for loooosers

>>11827956
>NES Mega Man
>Mega Man X

>>11827965
They both released on SNES dumbass. Mega Man X is far, far easier

>>11827972
>here's why ALttP is easier than NES Mega Man
>brings up a SNES game
>y-you're retarded

Both

>>11827978
It's easier than both you moron. Mega Man X is even easier than the NES Mega Mans, but both series are far easier than LttP. Mega Man X is just a more apt comparison as they are both SNES games.

Mega Man X is a game that I would say a major flaw is its total lack of challenge, while LttP has a near perfect difficulty curve and level of challenge. Maybe a second/master quest would be even better, but there is randomizer runs or challenge runs if you want that.

>>11827986
>you're a moron for me bringing up a SNES game in a discussion about how ALttP is easier than an NES game
Right...
>It's easier than both you moron
Uh, yeah, I know. That's the point. Are you feeling okay, bud?

Heart pieces are the game's difficulty setting, if you can't clear something you look for items. Just like in JRPGs, if you can't do it you grind or craft better items if you absolutely need to. All you have to do is play the game and it does get difficult toward the end if you didn't get everything.
Collectorfags can't see this for some reason.

>>11827813
I think LttP is an awesome looking game and the graphics are actually timeless because it's from the mature 2D era when hardware wasn't so limiting. As opposed to the obviously early 3D graphics in OoT, though I also think that is a great looking game, especially for N64.

>>11828006
You're forced to have at least 13 hearts as the ten end-of-dungeon heart containers are unskippable. You don't really have much excuse for not having enough hearts.

>>11829372
>a great looking game, especially for N64.
True, but I have to dock some points for low FPS

>>11829613
I know it's like 20fps but I've played through the whole game and I don't remember it not feeling smooth

Replaying OoT, I never got lost.
Replaying LttP, I had no idea how to get to Dark World Kakariko or the Lost Woods after getting the hookshot.

>>11829808
You can get used to it, but getting into it from games with fluid framerates is rough. It bothered me during combat. You see like 2 frames of a sword strike. Makes the action feel unclear.

I will be playing ocarina for the rest of my life. Thank god nerds are coming through with hacks and randos to keep things fresh, otherwise I'd probably play vanilla until I trooned out. ALttP is alright>>11827474 (OP)

>>11827474 (OP)
Fun fact: all links start with "http" because of LTTP. Nintendo invented Links, Microsoft copied the idea with Hyperlinks and made them blue because pink haired Link looks gay

>>11827474 (OP)
Links awakening
If it really was between OOT and ALTTP I'd choose ocarina of time since that was the one I had as a kid

>>11827474 (OP)
Oot because the randos in that are more fun.

I can't believe /vr/ prefers OoT and /v/ prefers ALttP

I thought it would be the other way around. Disgusted by /vr/

>>11829980
/v/ is full of people who know about retro games. /vr/ has people who play them.

>>11829980
/v/ is just kneejerk contrarian on every single issue. LttP was well-received but not to OoT's lasting extent so when comparing the two they will default to LttP being better. If enough faggot e-celebs make videos talking about how LttP was better than OoT and that becomes a mainstream viewpoint, the same exact people will start insisting OoT is better.

>>11830217
We should try that out, just choose an average game and have zooomer e-celebs praise it for a year or so, and then see what opinions /v/ has about it.

>>11827474 (OP)
OoT.

If you split Zelda into 2d and 3d games they follow the same trend that the Mega Man X games.

1st one is great. 2nd one is arguably better in some ways but most people prefer the original, the 3rd is boring but people still like it, 4th is an improvement but it's still not as good as the 1st or 2nd one, then it's all downhill from there.

>>11830210
OoT is only good based on nostalgia. ALTTP is timeless.

>>11830240

>>11827474 (OP)
I love them both so fucking much

You can keep the rest

OOT is more beginner friendly

>>11827926
>>11827942
trying too hard

>>11830587
Not in mastercuck mode

>>11827474 (OP)
OOT

2D and 3D Zelda are different animals and I like them for different reasons. I think the 3D might be more immersive. When I first played OoT 2 years ago I got lost in the fantasy, it was awesome. I've played a few dungeons of LttP and LA.

>>11827474 (OP)
OoT has more mechanical depth so OoT.

>>11827474 (OP)
ALttP could have been better, but it's solid enough to serve as an okay foundation. OoT is nonsensical dog training and shallow diversions to hide the fact it's built on sand and pushing forward in that direction will see the whole thing crumble (which eventually happened).

>>11830872
>will see the whole thing crumble (which eventually happened).
What?

>>11830871
What are you even talking about?

OoT is way easier, more casualized, more tutorialized, way easier and shallower combat, and less replayability.

>>11831301
That's one hell of a run on sentence. Do you want to try that one again, kid?

>>11831315
Just fuck off back to red-dit already you pathetic retard

>>11831315
It's called a list you ESL monkey

>>11831374
Then format it like one you projecting ESL monkey. Go on, do it. Dance for us monkey.

>>11831772
He made several mistakes but it wasn't a run-on sentence. You just come here to pick apart low-hanging fruit in others' posts to massage your ego instead of discussing games. :P What's new?

>>11827797
>arcade style gameplay
No score system
No limited continues
save based game


Mgs is a movie game, stop lying to yourself

>>11831798
>No score system
Picrel
The other two points, your codename is worse for using continues/saves

>>11831794
If you want somebody to take you seriously enough to discuss your post then maybe don't make a retarded post? :P

>>11831842
Have you even beaten aLttP no cheats no guide? I did when I was 6.

>>11831885
Yeah, I did at about the same age too albeit a year younger. I didn't even name call you either, I called your post retarded which it is.

I grew up a complete Zelda outsider, never having cared for the series. No horse in this race. Played several of them as an adult (OoT, BotW, TotK, LttP, Zelda 1) and enjoyed OoT WAY more than LttP. LttP was incredibly annoying

>>11832293
Zoom zoom

One is a good game and one struggles to run at 20 fps. Hard decision.

lttp. never liked oot and stopped playing the series there. so really its just the original zelda and lttp that i still revisit every few years.

>>11827474 (OP)
LttP is mostly tedious. OoT any day. It's perfect.

>>11832315
LttP is pure gameplay. OoT is constant boring ass cutscenes, tutorials, and exposition dumps. The puzzles and combat are both braindead compared to LttP

>>11832320
>LttP is pure gameplay
LttP is holding down the shoulder button to get to the next room as quickly as possible because that's all you're doing in this fucking overrated garbage.
>The puzzles and combat are both braindead compared to LttP
You can shit on OoT all you want, idc but don't lie. At least be genuine if you're going to shit on it. LttP is just mashing the sword button until the enemy dies and pushing a block on a switch.

>>11832330
>LttP is holding down the shoulder button to get to the next room as quickly as possible
no idea what the fuck you're even talking about or what shitty zoomer romhack garbage you played.

>LttP is just mashing the sword button until the enemy dies
Funny you say that when OoT you literally just z-target and spam attack and that's the entire combat system. There is one single enemy in the game that is not overcome like this lmao. LttP you actually have to consider spacing and timing, enemies requires unique strategies, and there are tons of hazards and obstacles. OoT is just a cinematic press X to awesome game that appeals to the modern casual gamer.

Seems like skill issue. Maybe you got bored constantly having to retread the same areas because you keep dying over and over.

>>11832364
>no idea what the fuck you're even talking abou
Yeah of course you don't because like every other ALTTPfag on 4chinz, you've never played the damn game.
>Funny you say that when OoT you literally just z-target and spam attack and that's the entire combat system
Okay sure, do that against a skulltula or Dark Link if you somehow make it past that and see how far you get.
>LttP you actually have to consider spacing and timing, enemies requires unique strategies, and there are tons of hazards
I can't believe I'm humoring this. That is THE dumbest fucking thing I've ever read regarding ALTTP.

>>11832369
Are you sure you're even talking about the same game retard? Why the fuck are you using the shoulder buttons every room? What the hell are you even talking about?

There is no way you can actually think OoT has better or more challenging combat unless you are a 70 IQ simpleton. Either way, I'm done entertaining your retarded ass.

>>11832438
Yes, I'm sure retard. Try playing the game yourself or at least long enough to advance past the first palace.
>There is no way you can actually think OoT has better or more challenging combat unless you are a 70 IQ simpleton. Either way, I'm done entertaining your retarded ass.
Because you're a fucking idiot talking out of your ass like every other ALTTPfag. Go ahead and run dumbass, you've done nothing but embarrass yourself to anybody that isn't a secondary with each post you've made.

>>11832449
LTTP doesn't use the shoulder buttons anon, and there is no rebinding in game. You are a fucking retard.

>>11832454
A button, whatever. The button isn't the point, it's what it's used for. Turbosperg.

>>11832457
Kill yourself romhack-using subhuman zoomer.

>>11832459
>Rom hack
Legitimately retarded individual.

>>11832459
>rom hack

>>11832489
>>11832576
The little underage zoomer shitstain was using this on his emulator

https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/7575/

>>11832624
Or, now hear me out, it was just a mix up over the GBA version with the SNES one. Retard.

>>11832640
He wasn't talking the GBA version you fucking retard. He emulated the damn thing. He's a fucking zoomer.

>>11832648
Now how do you know that?

>>11832648
LOL'ing hard @ this retard using zoomer as an insult for like 9 straight posts. Calling people zoomers doesn't make LTTP good. Savor my shit. OoT mogs it by every metric and I speak for everyone when I say that

>>11833224
>I speak for everyone when I say that
Based

>>11832302
game quality = frame rate

>>11832648
zoomers are terrified of modding and emulation. They don't stray from self contained apps

>>11827813
I definitely agree with this. The combat is potentially the worst part of ALttP, LA's is much more enjoyable. LA probably improved on ALttP on every aspect, its simplicity works in its favour incredibly well. OoT is still better overall in my mind but LA does the best job of 2D Zelda

>>11827876
>Oracle of Seasons
>Difficulty
Don't get me wrong, I love the Oracles, but saying that Seasons has any level of difficulty is a joke

>>11832438
I could've sworn the R button was Pegasus Boots in ALttP. Is this a Mandela Effect?

>>11832648
I was emulating Genesis and SNES games in the 90s, fuck off

>>11833450
It is in the GBA version https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda:_A_Link_to_the_Past/Controls

>>11827813
>ALttP: timeless 2D artstyle that aged like wine
>OoT: ugly early 3D abomination with muddy textures

>ALttP: smooth, tight, precise, responsive 60fps
>OoT: runs at 15fps, extremely sluggish and laggy

>ALttP: dense overworld full of secrets
>OoT: empty overworld full of wasted space just to hold stick forward through

>ALttP: can see entire room at a glance so puzzles require unique ways of interacting with the environment and thinking outside the box
>OoT: entering first person and looking at a wall is consisered a """puzzle"""

>ALttP: starts you right in the action, can approach dungeons in your own order at your own pace with little bogging you down.
>OoT: constant cutscenes, constant exposition dumps, game treats you like a retard with tutorial every two minutes

>ALttP: combat is fast-paced and challenging with a huge variety of enemies. Spacing and positioning are important
>OoT: Z-targeting removes any challenge of spacing and positioning and makes the combat just a glorified rhythm game. Every combat encounter just involves circling around the enemy, waiting for them to be open to attack, and repeat. It's just a boring, drawn-out slog

>ALttP: dungeons are complex and labyrinthine and require you to create a mental map and learn how rooms are connected
>OoT: dungeons are largely linear on-rails where you just solve the """puzzle""" by entering first person and looking around the room or jumping on some platforms

ALttP: bosses are challenging and memorable requiring unique methods to dispatch them that you must figure out
>OoT: booses are pushovers that are just a glorified tutorial for the item you conveniently just found in that dungeon