Thread 11827501

What do we think of Dragon Quarter?

>>11827501 (OP)
i prefer Dragon 50 cents

>>11827501 (OP)
a genuinely original and wonderful game. the only reason it bombed was because it was peddled to nintendo jrpg kiddies whose entire concept of strategy amounts to seeing a scrimblo who looks like he's made of snow and then promptly selecting a word with a little flame icon next to it from a menu.

>>11827610
It was a Piss2 exclusive, larper-kun.

>>11827660
retard

>>11827501 (OP)
great fucking artstyle

mid at best game

>>11827660
Yeah and Mega Man Zero and EXE are playable in a PS2 exclusive fighting games.
Doesn't matter, they'll make/add stuff toward an audience that may or may not own multiple consoles or of similar interests

>inb4 context
SVC Chaos
Onimusha Blade Warriors

and yes Zero is still broken as fuck in these games, especially Proto Zero.

>>11827501 (OP)
Great damn game. Unfortunately suffers from the inverted RPG difficulty curve where it can seem insanely hard when you don't know what you're doing, then becomes way too easy once you do know what you're doing. Also has the very crappy fake difficulty meme mechanic late into the game, Absolute Defense, which should have simply been replaced with higher boss HP pools. Too bad, Crapcom really loved shit like this around that time which pervaded Dragon Quarter but even worse, Rockman Exe/MMBN with that "aura" shit. It's artificial difficulty by definition and doesn't do an effective job testing what it was meant to in DQ (do you know how to combo decently/did you find Nina's AP gift skill to feed double turns to Lin).
What DQ really needed was a separate arrange mode or something for expert players that cranks up the challenge for the entirety of the main game, disables SOL carryover, nerfs some of the easy money/exp opportunities you can abuse (Rafflesia, Jack Box, Kanaphage), disables gold EXP, nerfs the Ant Colony, and some other shit.

>>11827501 (OP)
It's an excellent jrpg that was justifiably overlooked at the time. People who say it's the best or it's a piece of shit are both wrong.

>>11827610
>nintendo jrpg kiddies
Lol, Nintendo JRPGs are the few things in the genre with actually interesting mechanics and meaningful complexity to them. Pokemon and Golden Sun will reward actual thinking much more than the pretentious bullshit that is most of the genre does. And I don't even need to consider proper tactical games like older Fire Emblem, let alone something as serious as Advance Wars.

>>11827610
>Nintendo kiddos
>Giving a shit about ps2 rpg's
Lol wut?
>Strategy
Lol, miracle whip instead of mayonnaise, with a kek. Enemies are a joke and bosses can be steamrolled with the furry transformation. Only squaresoftkeks and past brap of fire fans had a problem woth dq.

>>11828398
>Meaningful complexity
I'll bite
>Golden sun
???
>Pokemon
Kekgenda confirmed. Snorklemanks can be beaten with the starters alone.
B-bu-Bubba, the multiplayer!
The gba yugioh games are better for that. Imagine defending goyfreak in 2023

>>11828398
>pokemon
>actual thinking
yeah thinking about how you want to fuck preteen girls maybe.

I played through it earlier this year for the first time. Didn't need a FAQ or a restart btw, since this is a meme haters wanna throw around.
At the end I fdlt a bit torn. It is my favorite Breath of Fire game, but it feels more like a SaGa game than a BoF game.

Absolutely fantastic game.

>>11828445
>He says when dq nina is probably the most kino throat fucker in jarpig history

>>11828451
SaGa enjoyer, eh? Did unlimited intrigue you or filter you the first time? I'm genuinely curious

the give up mechanic is bizarre and retarded i have no idea why they would include that instead of just balancing the game so you can't get softlocked

>>11828458
I haven't played that many SaGa games.
When Unlimited came out, I skipped it since it looked dumb, but I have been having a hankerin' to play it.

>>11828398
Pokemon is literally SMT but overhauled for even smaller children to play

>>11827610
>nintendo jrpg kiddies
Retard

>>11828714
There's nothing wrong with it. The game doesn't need to be balanced to this arbitrary standard of yours or else it would lose some of what makes it DQ. The fact that you can end up in an unwinnable scenario and be forced to start over is something more RPG devs would be wise to implement.

>>11827501 (OP)
>we
go back

>>11827501 (OP)
Great game. Hard game.

>>11827738
Back to /v/ pajeet.

>>11827805
False equivalency.

>>11827501 (OP)
it's amazing. i'd say it's the best BoF but it plays nothing like any other installment. My favorite ps2 rpg alongside nocturne.

>>11827501 (OP)
Any relation to Dragon Half?

>>11827501 (OP)
It's a great game. I'd even say its my favorite Breath of Fire game.

>>11827501 (OP)
strange direction to take the series. it's sorta like Chrono Cross in that if you forget what came before and just try to enjoy the game on its own, it's alright.

>>11827610
>genuinely original

>>11828451
calling bullshit you didn't need a restart your first time ever playing. how big did your ant colony get?

>entire game takes place in a Geofront.
>related to 3 in context of possibly the same world
...wtf happened on this planet with the Brood? A nuclear war?

>"Let's make a 35 hour RPG where you are on a time limit with no way to ever get more time! Oh, and if it runs out you have to start said 35 hour RPG from the beginning!"

>"Let's also make using any of your dragon powers whatsoever, the main thing the series is known for, drastically make this time limit count up much faster! Also sure you had several party members in the previous games but who needs more than three this time? Not like JRPGs are known for having party members you can swap out."

Could have been a decent game but it's weighed down by a truckload of shit concepts. It killed the series for nearly 15 years, and they only dared try again with a Japanese-only mobile game that barely lasted a year before it too was killed off and the series has been dead since.

Imagine if Nintendo made a 40 hour Zelda game where the entire world is slowly corrupting, there is no way to stop or reverse it, using your sword or any of your items makes it corrupt faster, and once it goes past a threshold it's just game over and you have to start a new save file. Also, Link now talks and Zelda is literally a mute. That would be what this game is to the Zelda franchise.

>>11833034
Sorry anon but in what universe is Dragon Filter a 35 hour game?

>>11832350
>calling bullshit you didn't need a restart your first time ever playing. how big did your ant colony get?
I didn't really do the ant colony, as I kinda forgot all about it.
In the prologue I did try a restart just to see how it worked, but it obviouslh did nothing.
I went in knowing that you shouldn't spam Dragonform and I didn't.

>>11827610
Rent free.

>>11832350
>calling bullshit you didn't need a restart your first time ever playing. how big did your ant colony get?
I didn't use the Ant Colony either and beat the game first time through.
You get all the tools you need, Nina is amazing with her stat reductions and traps and if you have Come Here! on Lin you can nuke them with Valhalla and Iceblast. There are some bosses that you need to use the Dragon form in but I ever got above 50% on him with the D-Ratio.

Not saying it was easy, but I had a great time even through the struggles. I think next time I'll use a guide and kys at the end to get a "perfect game" the next run.

>>11832998
Iirc the BoF games take place in the same world. I think the order is:
BoF4.
First Myria War.
BoF1.
Dragier goes underground.
BoF2.
Technology develops and starts draining the life from the earth, Brood War, the establishment of a new Dragnier
BoF3
Technology develops again after Myrias defeat, race mixing cause most to be clanless, The destruction of the surface, People go underground, D-ratio established, Odjn and the other dragon are the last remaining dragons
BoF5.

As it turns out Myria was right. The recovery of the earth at the end of 5 is the bittersweet ending of the whole saga.

>>11833217
>>11834181
so then, how many Game Overs did you get?

>>11834212
Quite a few.

I hate the artstyle. So I never gave a shit about it.
But to be fair I also couldn't stomach BoF4 despite trying to

>>11834212
I didn't count but quite a few like the other anon stated.
I did have a strong feeling of barely scraping by, which was nice.

I wish we got more games inspired by this with more moves, reliable status effects, enviromental hazards and more enemy variety, because the game is fine but the underlying ststems are some of the best I'v ever saw in a JRPG

>>11835776
boy have i got a game for you

>>11827501 (OP)
it's good it's just that the game pushes the bait and trap mechanic in your face the whole beginning and then it ends up becoming obsolete like a fifth of the way into the game.

>>11827610
nintendo derangement syndrome is actually so sad

>>11829741
Because it totally make sense to promote it on the PS2 and not Nintendo hardware, /pol/brained idiot.
Where's my Mega Man Zero tie-in game? PSP? Hello?

>>11828398
>Golden Sun
GS fags don't even like their games that much either, they're always recommending people to try Reloaded or some other tranny hard mode hack.

>>11834258
>>11835028
did you also realize there are story cutscenes that won't play unless you've restarted multiple times?

Should have cost a quarter.

>>11835028
>I did have a strong feeling of barely scraping by, which was nice.
This was what made me love this game too. Never did it feel impossible, always felt like I had to just hone my approach. So much fun.

>>11827610
Go back to /v/ E

>>11836207
I did, but I didn't want to restart until I hit a dead end. Nevee happened, so never restarted.

>>11836929
Me too.
Some boss fights felt "oh, you were supposed to lose" in the early game. No, you just need to git gud.

>>11827501 (OP)
i like that they tried to make it into a little more serious tactics game but it's still too easy. infinite item use and aoe skills without friendly fire mean you can break the game quite easily. and then on top of that they give you an infinite money mechanic and then it's like yeah whatever i'll just go play tactics ogre again.

>>11827610
>A PLAYSTATION GAME BOMBED, BECAUSE NINTENDO KIDS DIDN'T BUY IT

>>11837920
>and then on top of that they give you an infinite money mechanic
What was that?
Did you figure it out on your own?

>>11838157
i think he's talking about the ant colony

>>11838189
Was it easy to abuse? I kinda ignored it.

>>11836412
It's called Dragon Quarter because it only sells a quarter of what all the other games did

>>11837129
>Some boss fights felt "oh, you were supposed to lose" in the early game. No, you just need to git gud.
This was my one and only game over during my first playthrough. The battle where you first meet Nina, I was ill equipped and got bodied, thinking it was a forced loss or something.
Nope. I had to reload and equip KICK which I'd forgotten to equip beforehand to eke out that victory.
Nowadays I know it's better to go full out offense and combo it to death and just tank the damage, but back then I felt like a god for denying enemies additional movement range/actions with a well-placed combo finisher kick

>>11838286
it's passive income. if you know what you're doing you can max out your wallet in no time.

hot take:
the BoF series is in chronological order.
that's why you see the dragon blood get weaker with each sequel.
in 1 and 2 you have straight-up dragons. 3 starts introducing weirder forms, including the warrior form which is very similar to 4 and 5's forms. 4's dragons don't even look like dragons. and 5 is literally all about how the dragon blood has thinned over the generations.

>>11840513
additional evidence:
it's also why you see full-on furries disappear and be replaced by kemomimi.

I've played Breath of Fire II and thought it was mediocre. I dropped Breath of Fire III when you were still a kid needing a boat and having to train some accountant to impress his crush. Stop giving me these stupid mini games. Seeing how often lauded those two games are and how much people deride Dragon Quarter makes it so out of any game in the series I'd want to play Dragon Quarter. At least it seems interesting.

>>11840582
just say you don't like the style of older JRPGs. because that's what 2 and 3 are.
2 is absolutely on the level of JRPGs of the era, and 3 is very much in its spirit..

>>11840513
Yeah, Capcom will try to claim otherwise, but I-IV is all the same universe, and it's chronological.
Deathevan is Myria's spawn, created after her defeat, the cast of 1 is in the Dragnier mural in 3, the state of the world in 4 is a direct result of you killing Myria and freeing the desert in 3.

>>11840681
If its chronological, what about Wyndians talking about having wings in the past in III then having them in IV? Did they re-evolve wings?

>>11840725
but Nina literally gets them after the time skip.
i don't remember if its solely because she's a member of the royal family or what.
but even that plays into the "blood thinning" take i've got.

>>11840725
>>11840810
also the Wyndians don't talk about "not having wings," they talk about "being able to fly."

>>11840513
I don't know about 4-6 (Or if 6 can even be considered canon) but 1-3 very clearly take place after each other, 2 directly references events that happened in 1, and 3 with 2.

It's been a while since I played the games but if I remember right, including what >>11840568 said, the Wyndians are specifically mentioned in both 2 and 3 as their blood having been "diluted" through race-mixing. In 2 Nina meets the ghost/spirit of the Nina from 1 who admits that because she married the Ryu from 1 the Wyndians are not as powerful as they used to be and can no longer transform into the Great Bird. In 2 their wings are much smaller and they can no longer even fly, just barely slow their fall, and mention that long ago they used to be able to fly.

Though in 1 there was also two neighboring towns that were on opposite sides of a river, one populated by the Forest Clan (Basically anthropomorphic wolves) and the other populated by humans, who regularly have a ceremony where one member from each town gets married to each other, you even help two of them perform the ceremony as part of the game's storyline. So it's not like Ryu and Nina from 1 were the first time races started mixed.

Those two in >>11840568 are different races though, not an example of the same race becoming more mixed from 1 to 3. Bo (the guy on the left) is from the Forest Clan race and Momo (on the right) is from the Grassrunner race. BOF4 was weird with it's Grassrunners, there was three of them, one was a male that looked anthro, and the other two were a male and female that looked more like a kemonomimi.

>>11840912
In 3 their wings are much smaller***

>>11840810
>>11840827
Oh, my bad. It’s been awhile

>>11840912
>not an example of the same race becoming more mixed
all right

>>11840926
Honestly, Cray still looks pretty anthro to me. The worens might have some sort of sexual dimorphism going on. Every male we have seen looks anthro and every female we have seen is basically a catgirl.

>>11840926
to add:
notice how you see so few full anthro characters in BoF4. you've got Scias, sure, but they get more prevalent as you go backwards in the games.

>>11840943
>Cray still looks pretty anthro to me.
no way. Rei looks more anthro than Cray. Cray is straight up kemomimi.

>>11840945
The Grassrunners are a bit weird. Most of the races are more or less based on a single thing. Forest Clan are wolves, Worens are tigers, Wyndians have wings, Brood are dragons, etc. Grassrunners though we have seen them based on foxes, rabbits, and domestic canines.

It might be based on the animal, so far the two Grassrunners we have seen that look anthro were both dogs, while the others that looked more like a kemonomini were rabbits and foxes.

just look at his portrait. that is not an anthro.

>>11840948
The males in 4 look far more anthro than kemonomimi if you ask me, in BOF4 they even have that whole Indian Tribe thing going on.

>>11840959
how can you look at those literal human faces and think anthro? no way, man. no muzzle, no anthro. those characters are kemomimi 100%.

>>11840980
I admit the face is a lot more human-like, but his body looks more anthro than human, you can even make out fur on his chest.

>>11827501 (OP)
Re-release, pls
I got a 3ds specifically for Mega man legends 3, so i figure they could toss a bone out there for fucking that up

>>11841081
I'd buy it a 2st time

not much. it was drear and boring all the way through.

>>11827501 (OP)
3>5>1>2>>>>4

2 = 3, 4 was too stripped, 5 was Baroque, and there were never any more

>>11844652
>and there were never any more
They made a BOF6, or at least something they called BOF6, but it was a Japan-exclusive Mobile-exclusive MMORPG that barely lasted a year.

>>11827501 (OP)
Most people hate it which means it's probably good

There is no timeline, it's just similar games with a few references to previous ones in them.

>>11845203
>Most people hate it which means it's probably good
wow just like Bof 6

>>11845175
and there were never any more.
and you can feel free to add 1 in literally where ever you want, it is a pretty basic early '90s RPG. the isometric battle view is what it always had going for it.

>>11845474
but as one anon pointed out, it's less just "references" are more "the entire story is built around these events occurring"

I was gonna play 3 a year ago, googled something for help, and somehow got a HUGE spoiler.

who Myria was disguised as.

Was that THE big moment of the game or in the grand scheme of the story are there still others that make it worth it?

>>11845626
>No Karn
it's cause he's black, isn't it

>>11845626
Meant the direct references (i.e. Momo being in 4, and Teepo/Rei post-game). 4 also doesn't really work in the continuity, unless it's the first, and the brood got their powers from being exposed to the endless, like that rock boss ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtSARA7fEQ0 ).

Also what's up with that scene, why are Ryu and the dragon both there?

>>11845728
BoF 3 is about the journey

>>11846015
4 is the most ambiguous, for sure. 5 definitely takes place in the far future at the end of the timeline.
Momo literally explains how she got there. an experiment accident wound up making her travel to either the distant past or the distant future.

Interesting game, just shouldn't have been a Breath of Fire game or at least not a main game but a spinoff

>>11846482
i always thought it being called dragon quarter as opposed to breath of fire 5 meant that it was essentially a spinoff

>>11847547
It’s still called Breath of Fire V on the cover

>>11846015
So there's still good parts and reasons to play outside that twist? Was it THE big moment or are there some others

>>11846482
>>11847547
Nah, Capcom wanted it to be the classic "we redid everything to attract a whole new audience since the games never sold well enough for us".

>>11847789
>ToD2
>this fall

>>11847658
I found it to be more about smaller moments in a journey than large pivotal events, which I am really sick of.

>>11848217
>nut archer
That's what they call me

>>11848824
Rei knows what's up

>>11848217
Whelp, I've got no game lined up after I beat Skyward Sword (and man is this game a pain), so looks like I'll be playing BoF3 then. I was hoping to put it off in hopes I'd forget the spoiler I got but I dont think I'll be forgetting it, so might as well just put up with it. I've loved the look and sprite art from BoF 3 and 4 too long to keep ignoring them

>>11827501 (OP)
I fucking hated it. Dropped after a couple hours, will likely never return. What the fuck is with the completely drab environment, and the weird groundhog day shit. This isn't even a Breath of Fire game, it obviously began under a different IP.