Rockstar has always had bad controls. They have never gotten them right, not even once.

>>11831165 (OP)
Yes

Bad controls is a staple of western gaming.

>>11831165 (OP)
there are no bad controls, only skill issues

>>11831165 (OP)
Its crazy how dogshit the on foot movement and shooting was in the ps2 gen gta games
Like something worse than than the worst budget games

>>11831260
People didn't care because "I can kill people and do nig shit!"
6th gen was the beginning of the end, culture wise.

>>11831201
based weeb

I cannot recall a time where Rockstar was good at 3D modeling either.

>>11831165 (OP)
Works on my machine.

>>11831260
Their more than adequate if your IQ is above sweater weather

>>11831165 (OP)
How bad is it? In my opinion it has the best movement compared to most 3D games. Most 3D games don't do what GTA does. Even today they fail to do that

Retardation: The Thread

>>11831286
adequate and good are separate things

>>11831313
Fair but I would have pointed out my spelling of their they're while also talking about IQ

San Andreas.

>>11831393
is also bad.

>>11831165 (OP)
only on console
the PC ports with mouselook are actually playable, and at more than 20 fps

>>11831417
Nigger.

>>11831452
playing as a black man has nothing to do with why the controls are bad.

>>11831165 (OP)
agreed, its only GTA 2 that actually has good driving controls.

>>11831165 (OP)

>>11831165 (OP)
>R1 + O to shoot
> : (
>japan R1 + ▢ to shoot
> :)

>>11831260
I remember a joke review back in the day of one of the PS2 GTA games that tried to play it "honest" and they were constantly running red lights because the cars control so badly

I was going to say Max Payne, but that's a Remedy game through and through. I think it took them until at least San Andreas/Bully to make controls or combat at least that didn't suck.

>>11831832
Manhunt plays fine on Xbox with control type 2 and inverted look off (who in the fucking fuck has ever played with inverted look, why even program it in).

>>11831943
>inverted look

>>11831943
I like inverted camera for 3rd person games and normal camera for 1st person games

>>11831201

>>11831943
I’ve needed inverted look ever since Starwing

the 2D GTAs had great controls. and I've never heard anyone complain about the controls in lemmings.

everything past that is garbage, though, yeah.

>>11831165 (OP)
If you struggled with gta, just what did you play back then?

>>11831201
Is that why Mega Man Legends sold like shit?

GTA:SA on PS2 controls great

max payne 3, yes even with the euphoria movement.

>>11831165 (OP)
every 3d gta aside from 4 is barely above shovelware tier and the franchise got popular FOR NO OTHER REASON than "DUDE YOU CAN STEAL ANY CAR DRIVE ANYWHERE AND KILL ANYONE YOU SEE!!!" and the masses (midwits) found that level of "freedom" mindblowing that they ignored the fact that the only things to do in those games are driving and shooting and they both feel like shit compared to most other games

>>11831165 (OP)
>A bunch of flubby white and Jewish computer geeks who smoke weed and listen to NWA
Idk why but that's all I see when I think of GTA which makes me feel embarrassed like Kevin Smith driving around talking about how cool he thinks Ice Could be is while emulating gang signs

>>11831201
>be jap dev
>controller has a circle and an 'x'
>use 'x' for confirm and circle for cancel

>be jap dev
>controller has two thumbsticks
>use l1 and r1 to rotate camera
>use l2 and r2 to pitch camera
>don't use second thumbstick at all

>be jap dev
>no strafe
>tank control

>>11833178
>be jap dev
>controller has a circle and an 'x'
>use 'x' for confirm and circle for cancel
thats western devs, jp devs use circle for confirm

>>11833165
>the only things to do in those games are driving and shooting
Lmao this dipshit never played San Andreas

Man, I really didn't make this thread to shit on Rockstar or anything. I love their games, I just always thought they really struggled with controls. Honestly I probably exaggerated when I said they never got them right.

>>11831765
>blaming the game for being useless at handling cars
P O O R L Y
M A D E

>>11831968
This is an age-old complaint I've always been kind of mystified by. The leaning and aiming and context sensitive CQC stuff in MGS2 and 3 is a little goofy if you've never encountered it before but it's really no big deal. There's a button for shooting, a button to crouch/crawl, item selects, a punch/melee/grapple button--not exactly anything crazy.

>>11831165 (OP)
Max Payne 3 feels really good to play. So much so that content farmers on facebook make reels of MP3 all the time and hashtag it with GTA 6. GTA isn't a platformer though and is mostly a driving game, and all of the GTA games feel good to drive in. and even by Vice City they had made a significant improvement in the shooting.

>>11833178
really blows my mind that different cultures and continents have different takes on a creative medium. certainly something you don't see in film or writing

>>11831943
it comes from Mario 64, the abstraction they used was like if the camera was a physical dolly that orbited the character, so moving the camera left in the orbit would cause the viewfinder to face to the character's right.

>>11831165 (OP)
Midnight Club 2 felt pretty good to me